Stay ConnectedThe Ancestral Kitchen is a twice-monthly podcast hosted by Alison, a European town-dweller and Andrea, living on a family farm in northwest Washington state. Pull up a chair at the table and join us as we talk about eating, cooking and living with ancient ancestral food wisdom in a modern-world kitchen.
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Podcast theme and audio production by Robert Michael Kay, find him at www.robertmichaelkay.com
Copyright: © Copyright 2025 Alison Kay & Andrea Huehnerhoff
Liver: do you love it or hate it?
Which ever side of the fence you're on, we're betting you know that liver is a true superfood; one of the most nutrient dense foods we can include in our diet.
But for many it's also a 'problem' food – we know because both of us regularly get questions on including liver in an ancestral diet.
This episode is for liver lovers and liver haters! We talk about why liver is so important, how often to eat liver, where to start with sourcing, preparing and cooking liver, what types of liver we eat and how we eat it, how to eat liver without realising you're eating liver, how to get children to eat liver, what to do if you just can't eat liver and we share our favourite and our patrons favourite liver recipes.
We just couldn't stop talking about liver and if you're our patron of the podcast, you will find an after show in your private feed where we share even more about liver including eating it raw.
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Resources:
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Better Broths and Healing Tonics Cookbook
Younger You by Dr. Kara Fitzgerald
Better Broths and Healing Tonics Episode on Ancestral Kitchen Podcast
Our favorite liver capsules! (5% discount and free shipping in the US!)
The Flavour Thesaurus by Niki Segnit
Interview with Anita on Ancestral Kitchen Podcast
Chicken Liver Wrapped in Bacon
Piper's Farm Sustainable Meat Cookbook
Piper's Farm Episode on Ancestral Kitchen Podcast
Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon
The Nourishing Traditions Book of Baby & Child Care
Janine's Liver Recipes at Offally Good Cooking
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Rebecca is a good friend and a good influence. She is the creator behind A Humble Place, with a website and an Instagram both by that name, where I first found her when I was looking for Charlotte Mason art studies, and I got many of her beautiful sets. In this episode, though, she is teaching me about her meal planning strategies. I am now using her method and it is revolutionizing everything that I am doing. I am so grateful to Rebecca for joining me today to discuss this because I am not by nature a meal planner. With a very busy summer coming up, I need to have some good frameworks in place to rely on for meal planning, having others being able to participate in the food preparation, being able to know what is coming down the pipeline; and it was really interesting to me how her meal planning works with an ancestral and seasonal food lifestyle, which is the way she and her family eat. So many meal planning ideas and options out there assume you're going to be going to the grocery store every couple of days and buying lots of convenience or unseasonal foods, which just doesn't suit the way a lot of us are eating. Thank you Rebecca for opening up a whole new world to me! I am so excited to share this episode with you today; enjoy!
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Rebecca can be found at www.ahumbleplace.com and on Instagram at www.instagram.com/ahumbleplace
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I know milling my own flour is better and I want to do it, but where do I start?
Home milling can be such a joy and we’re here in this episode to guide you through all the hows.
We’ll talk the multiple benefits of milling at home and fill any gaps in knowledge you might have. We’ll explain how you can grind a grain, what mills are available for your kitchen and the benefits of each one, then I’ll share how I mill at home, the organisation around it and what I make. And stay till the end as we’ll also squeeze in a chat about how home-milled flour is different to shop bought and how you can best work with this amazing food stuff in your own kitchen.
Download the Ancestral Kitchen Podcast Guide to Milling Your Own Flour here!
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Resources:
See Alison’s Mockmill here plus use these links to purchase your own and support the podcast
Find Alison’s sourdough mentoring here: One-off troubleshooting session
Four-call ‘Get Going with Ancient Grain Sourdough’ package
Prehistoric women and their strong arms
King Arthur Baking article on substituting wholewheat flour for white on all-purpose
50 Ways to Save Money Download
50 Ways to Save Money on an Ancestral Diet, episodes 66 and 67
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Do you cook with millet? I do and I love this ancient grain for the fact that it is super sustainable, very economical and, being gluten and lectin free, really easy to digest.
In this episode we dive in to the ancestral grain millet. We will talk about what it is, why you'd want to include it in your diet, how to cook it and I then I will go on to share in detail my seven favourite ways to use millet - we regularly consume millet all of these ways in our home.
By the end of this episode you will be armed with everything you need to know to start cooking, eating and loving this wonderful grain in your own kitchen.
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Alison's course, Boza: The Probiotic Millet Drink
Alison's article: 7 Delicious Ways to Use Millet in Your Kitchen
Sourdough Polenta and Sourdough Polenta PDFs and videos
Mockmill information, including links to buy that will support the podcast
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Feeding babies and children a nutrient-dense ancestral diet is something that many moms have questions about. Whether the questions are "how do I start my child off on the right foot" or "I have older kids and we are just coming to this ancestral diet now - help, how do I transition them to this good food!" - these are things that we think about. Here to help us today is Christine Muldoon, from The Modern Ancestral Mamas Podcast. Christine and her co-host Corey were on our podcast a long time ago, episode # 27, and Christine is back to give us more of her great wisdom for feeding children.
Topics today range from breastfeeding and the WAPF formula, to connection at the table and during mealtime; when do you start bringing children to the table and why that timing is so important; to picky eating and family food values and so much more. This is a wonderful conversation, Alison and I both enjoyed visiting with Christine so much. Patrons, be sure to hit your private podcast feed for a short aftershow with Christine where we hit her with one more question!
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The personal views and opinions of our guests do not necessarily reflect our own personal views or opinions. We recognize that our guests are whole persons and this may include views we or our audience actively disagree with; our guests are invited to the show because we feel they have something valuable to share with us all, and we do not ask them to censor their personal views on air. Our sharing of their work is not necessarily an endorsement of their personal views.
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The Modern Ancestral Mamas Podcast
The Nourishing Traditions Book of Baby & Child Care ("the purple book"!):
Christine's website with courses, one-on-one consulting and more
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We get a lot of questions about butchering chickens over here on the podcast, and those questions range from “I have a backyard flock and I would like to be able to cull a few hens and some roosters every year,” all the way up to, “We are planning to raise enough meat birds for ourselves and our neighbors and we need to know what tools we need to get started on that.” In this episode, I am going to do my best to get you comfortable with the idea of butchering a few hens on your kitchen counter, and reassure you that you have every tool you need, and it really is a simple and straightforward process - but there is a learning curve, and it is worth learning.
This is an ancestral skill that used to be fairly familiar to many people; if you have read many older books you know they are always butchering this, that, or the other chicken and it doesn’t even barely make a comment in the book because it is such a simple and familiar process to people in the days of old. We will cover the tools you need for both a simple few birds a year, all the way up to the larger batches that involve more equipment; we will talk about involving your kids in the process, and we will talk about the clean-up and packaging process at the end as well.
I hope you find this episode to be very useful and interesting, and please be aware that we are going to talk about all the blood and guts in this episode and it is appropriate for all ages, but please be aware before you jump in.
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Meredith Leigh, Episode 77
Modern Homesteading Conference
The Small-Scale Poultry Flock by Harvey Ussery
Some helpful YouTube videos (go down the rabbit hole!). Use each of these videos as a jumping-off point and take advantage of YouTube's algorithms to watch video after video of the processes! You may find one particular creator speaks to the way you learn best, and dive deep on their videos:
Justin Rhodes butchering with minimal equipment
Justin Rhodes butchering 100 chickens
Brandon shows how to scald and pluck a chicken using a drum plucker (could do it by hand, too)
Brandon demonstrating how to take the guts out of a chicken
Joel Salatin demos broiler processing and as always, he touches on the sacredness of taking a life to begin his process. This is an excellent demo as Joel has butchered hundreds of thousands of birds and he casually drops lots of little useful details.
Note that if you attend a homesteading conference there will almost always be a broiler processing demo on the schedule, and those are well worth attending! Even after butchering many birds we still like to watch these and learn new things or just be encouraged. However, those demos don't typically teach finer points like how to get the crop out; you will more get the broad scope of processing birds.
Mini Urban Farm processes chickens
Stoney Ridge Farmer butchers chickens
You can also see Joel Salatin's early cameo butchering chickens in the documentary, Food Inc! This was the first time I saw cones in use back in 2009.
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We asked for your questions on bone broth. And man, did you send them in!
Today's episode is dedicated to answering all the questions we received about the wonder that is bone broth. We will cover sourcing your bones, what types of bones to use, cooking broth – including equipment, timings, add-ins, how to make your broth thicker, thinner, stronger and weaker, the myriad of ways you can drink and eat your broth, nutrition and storage. There are so many ideas packed into these 75 minutes. So whether you're a beginner at broth or via making it for years I'm sure you're find help and encouragement in this episode.
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Buy Better Broths and Healing Tonics AND support the podcast by using our (non-Amazon!) bookshop:
Better Broths and Healing Tonics in the US
Better Broths and Healing Tonics in the UK
Episode 52: Homesteading the Final Frontier with Amanda Callahan
Episode 44: How to Run a “Made From Scratch” Homestead with Melissa K. Norris
Melissa’s Article: Does Pressure Canning Ruin Bone Broth
Episode 62: Building Your Pantry with Canning with Angi Schneider
Possible resource for finding bones Also: check with WAPF chapter leaders!
Alison’s blog high protein breakfast options
Alison's blog My 5 favourite ways to use bone broth
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Meredith Leigh is an ex-vegan now butcher, a butchery teacher, an author, a kitchen experimenter extraordinaire and meat fermenter, co-founder of The Fermentation School and a mum.
She has so much to share and this is an intimate and engaging conversation. We cover some really important questions including conscious animal slaughter, Meredith's transition from veganism to ethical meat, the safety worries around fermenting meat and the one we get so many questions about: nitrates in meat.
Patrons of the podcast check your private feed for a moving after show where Meredith reads a piece from one of her books.
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Meredith's books in our bookshops:
The Ethical Meat Handbook in the US
The Ethical Meat Handbook in the UK
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The world of essential oils is an ancient and ancestral one. From the Mesopotamian valley where the Sumerians, Akkadians and ancient Hebrew tribes were distilling, trading and using oils to the apothecaries and wisdom of the ancient Chinese; from the dusty tombs of Egyptian Pharaohs like Tutankhamun to the Silk Road and spice merchants guiding camels burdened with precious ointments, oils, resins and salves.
The ancients knew and prized essential oils for their benefits, and we can enjoy the same benefits today - maybe not procured from a trader riding into town on a camel, but beneficial just the same!
Using oils in the kitchen is a remarkably easy and delicious way to use them, and one that our ancestors - who used oils for religious rituals, cleansing, medical care and inhalation in addition to epicurean delights of the wealthy tables - would have approved of. In this episode we will discuss what essential oils are, a brief history of their use throughout the world, and some of my favorite ways to use them in the kitchen. We have included a booklet of recipes for all listeners which can be downloaded at AncestralKitchenPodcast.com/downloads.
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Pizza Sauce: Pizza Sauce: 16 oz tomato sauce, 1 tsp salt, 1 drop each oregano, basil, thyme, black pepper. Prick spelt pizza dough with a fork, drizzle with melted lard, and pour sauce on top (as much as you want) and add toppings!
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If you asked both Andrea and I who's inspired us the most we'd both put our guest today, Sandor Katz, right up there in our top couple of names. We've read his books, underlining phrase after phrase, we've taken his advice; we've made his ferments, so many of his ferments. He's inspired, educated, and hand-held us both through our food fermentation journeys.
Coming up is a fascinating and informative conversation that covers what Sandor grows and ferments, safety and fermentation, wild starters versus commercial yeast and how you can utilise wild yeast in your ferments, the war on bacteria, the small food revolution and much more.
Check out our aftershow conversation with Sandor! We talk about tibicos (water kefir) and milk kefir and why grains don't populate. You can get access and download by joining our patreon community at the Companionship level or above. Find details here.
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People's Republic of Fermentation
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