Stay ConnectedThe Ancestral Kitchen is a twice-monthly podcast hosted by Alison, a European town-dweller and Andrea, living on a family farm in northwest Washington state. Pull up a chair at the table and join us as we talk about eating, cooking and living with ancient ancestral food wisdom in a modern-world kitchen.
Find us here: http://ancestralkitchenpodcast.com
Podcast theme and audio production by Robert Michael Kay, find him at www.robertmichaelkay.com
Copyright: © Copyright 2025 Alison Kay & Andrea Huehnerhoff
How, when you’ve got limited money, no spare time and family who are used to eating what they eat…
How when you can’t find alternatives, don’t have the room to grow it yourself and don’t have the headspace…
How do you get out of supermarkets?
In this, our Guide to Getting Out of Supermarkets episode, we’ll give you a stack of practical ideas (from us and from our supporters) that'll change things up.
You’ll leave inspired, tooled-up and as ready as we can ever help you be to have your home turn its back on our industrial food system and say hello to sane, local supplies; food as it is meant to be.
And, as requested by supporters, we kept the recording running and talked about the other place most of us want to get away from, but find incredibly hard: Amazon. This extra recording will be going up on our private podcast feed for supporters of the show.
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Resources:
Sir Patrick Holden quotes about industrial milk/Tesco are from here
Episode 66 - 50 Ways to Save Money on an Ancestral Diet Part 1
Episode 67 - 50 Ways to Save Money on an Ancestral Diet Part 2
Episode 9 - Quitting Supermarkets
Episode 46 - Sir Patrick Holden Interview
Episode 61 - Organic Small Scale Dairy interview with Rebecca Holden
Shopping online:
US: Azure
UK: Gilchesters
UK: Crowd Farming
UK: Suma
UK: Hodmedods
Mentioned - Fatworks.com (we haven’t researched this ourselves but reputable shoppers have recommended)
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How does one prepare for times of illness? Having supplies on hand, such as home remedies, some handy rubrics and rules of thumb in your back pocket, and healing foods prepared and set aside for such a time, are steps the wise person takes to avoid being caught off guard and unprepared. In this episode, Alison and Andrea will talk about some favorite tools and remedies they keep on hand, as well as procedures they use, in times of illness. This episode is not medical advice. Your personal health is between you and your Maker.
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Resources:
Supporting the Body Before, During, and After Illness
Be Well: How to Properly Caramelize Onions - How to Properly Caramelize Onions
Be Well: The Best Offense is a Good Defense (Part 1)
Shared from Alison: How to Prevent & Treat Colds and Flu from Huberman Labs
Shared from Alison: Using Light to Optimize Health from Huberman Labs
Wim Hof for breathing and ice bathing
Andrea's Young Living referral link for essential oils
Episode 88: Growing, Storing and Using Garlic
Episode 76: Essential Oils in an Ancestral Kitchen
Episode 64: Better Broths & Healing Tonics
Better Broths & Healing Tonics book
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What is ancestral eating?
After three years of recording podcast episodes, we thought it was about time we tackled this topic head-on. Because, although the word ancestral has become much more mainstream since we started, there is still much confusion about eating and living this way.
In this episode you will first hear us talk about what ancestral eating isn’t (including how it is different from eating carnivore or paleo) before we get onto defining what ancestral eating is. We will explain that it is not prescriptive, it's a philosophy and we will share what it means, practically, in the kitchen.
We both eat ancestrally, but our individual diets and kitchens look different we will outline that for you before talking about Who's Who in the ancestral eating world and giving you accessible and fun ways to move forward in your own ancestral kitchens.
Episode 100 is a huge milestone for us two ladies who love cooking and eating this way – please do share this episode and our podcast with anyone who you think would benefit from what we are up to.
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Resources:
Alison's article: What Does Eating Ancestrally Mean?
Alison's article: What Ancestral Eating Isn't
Alison's article: Does Ancestral Eating Romanticise the Past
20 Small Steps to an Ancestral Kitchen episode
20 Small Steps to an Ancestral Kitchen free download
The Ancestral Kitchen Challenge episode
The Ancestral Kitchen Challenge free download
Our cookbook Meals at the Ancestral Hearth
Our Nourishing Traditions Episodes:
Our Favourite Nourishing Traditions Recipes
Nourishing Traditions: THE Ancestral Cookbook
The Fats We Love, The Fats We Leave to hear all about Crisco
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Ask us anything, we said! Grill us like a cheese sandwich! And you did! Our podcast supporters sent in questions for Alison and I to answer for this final episode of 2024 and we had a lot of fun answering them. Some of them were crazy! Some would take an entire podcast episode to answer thoroughly, and they were all really fun - like, "What are some non-ancestral things you do, or ancestral things you don't plan to ever do?" Or, "Tell us about Alison's past life!" Alison and I also came with some questions for each other, and we did not tell each other in advance what they would be, and we had a lot of fun answering them. We also recorded our aftershow and included it in this main feed episode as our gift to you. What other questions would you have asked? What are your answers to these questions? Do you think we answered them right? Tell us your thoughts after you hear this episode.
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Resources:
Twelve Months of Monastery Soups by Brother Victor D'Avila Latourrette
Andrea's Schedule and scheduling resources
Wolf Hall by Hilary Mantel, the first in the Cromwell trilogy
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Do you dislike all the fuss, packaging and stress that a mainstream Christmas involves? So do we! Both of us have spent many years cultivating Christmases that are low-key, close to zero-waste and calm. And they are beautiful. Listen in as we share our tips for experiencing a green and peaceful Christmas.
Our 2024 Christmas Hamper is now available for all companionship or above supporters of the podcast. It's full of Christmas gift ideas, recipes and routines that will support you to have a wonderful festive period. Much love from both of us for the holidays.
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Resources:
Rebecca's Advent Art Study - She has four separate sets (as well as Lenten sets!)
Cindy Rollins' Hallelujah Advent book
Our other Christmas episodes (listen while you're cooking!):
#73 - Slow Christmas - the way we (and our supporters) slow Christmas down.
#47 - The Christmas Survival Guide - this has an anti-stress focus, tips on eating ancestral whilst away, ancestral dishes you can prepare in advance, and how to cope with people giving your kids all manner of rubbish food!
#20 - Christmas Traditions & What Inspires Us at the Holidays - our favourite dishes, Christmas memories and traditions we want to cultivate more of.
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In this wonderful episode, I got to sit down with Christine Muldoon, who is a friend, the creator of NourishtheLittles.com, a Nutritional Therapy Practitioner, a mother and wife, and also a follower of the Weston A Price principles of food. She is also the co-host of the podcast Modern Ancestral Mamas with her amazing co-host, Corey Dunn. I wanted to tap into Christine's incredible knowledge base and wisdom for post-partum care, and really nourishing mom in the post-partum window of time. I wanted to highlight WHY it is so important, why is the rest so important, and what are some of the foods we should be focusing on and types of foods we should be eating. Christine absolutely delivered in this episode, I enjoyed hearing all her wisdom and great advice as well as some humorous stories along the way.
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The personal views and opinions of our guests do not necessarily reflect our own personal views or opinions. We recognize that our guests are whole persons and this may include views we or our audience actively disagree with; our guests are invited to the show because we feel they have something valuable to share with us all, and we do not ask them to censor their personal views on air. Our sharing of their work is not necessarily an endorsement of their personal views.
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Resources Mentioned:
The Fourth Trimester: Understanding, Protecting, and Nurturing an Infant Through the First Three Months by Susan Brink (the version Andrea read)
The Fourth Trimester: A Postpartum Guide to Healing Your Body, Balancing Your Emotions, and Restoring Your Vitality by Kimberly Ann Johnson (the version Christine recommends)
The First Forty Days: The Essential Art of Nourishing the New Mother by Heng Ou and Amely Greeven
Find Christine at www.nourishthelittles.com and on instagram.com/nourishthelittles
Christine and Corey's podcast: Modern Ancestral Mamas
Instagram highlights referenced:
Episodes Mentioned:
Christine mentioned a recent interview on her podcast with anthropologist Mary Ruddick: Unearthing Ancestral Wisdom: Bridging the Gap Between Traditional Cultures and Modern Society with Mary Ruddick
Part One - Alison and Andrea with Corey and Christine on Ancestral Mamas
Part Two - Corey and Christine with Alison and Andrea on Ancestral Kitchen
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How do you eat ancestrally and seasonally even during winter, when the produce stands maybe are shut down and your garden may be covered over with snow for the season and your body needs a different kind of support than it does during the busy, active days of summer? In this episode Alison and Kathie, who is a longtime listener, supporter and friend of the podcast, got to talk about all of these topics and much more. Kathie is the creator of Homespun Seasonal Living, one of my favourite websites for pulling recipes, and Kathie is an expert and authority on all things food preservation, gardening and storage.
In this episode they covered some great winter vegetable and fruit options, storage of winter produce, and of course preservation methods including canning, freezing, dehydrating and fermenting, and of course the often debated topic of nutrient loss during preservation. They also discussed aspects of combatting winter food boredom by creating variety in the diet and ways to alleviate the heaviness of winter food. They also covered some interesting ideas for using spices and sauerkraut, different ways of using microgreens and sprouts, and Kathie created a wonderful Winter Eating Guide that listeners can download in the show notes. Kathie is also the creator of one of my very favourite mailing lists, and you can sign up for her mailing list in the show notes right now and get the Winter Eating Guide as well as some other benefits on top that if you like. I love the recipes I've gotten from her mailing list and she is so creative with her use of herbs and her different cosy beverages and things that she comes up with. I am looking forward to hearing how you enjoy this episode and what you and your family do to keep things cosy and local during the winter.
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The personal views and opinions of our guests do not necessarily reflect our own personal views or opinions. We recognize that our guests are whole persons and this may include views we or our audience actively disagree with; our guests are invited to the show because we feel they have something valuable to share with us all, and we do not ask them to censor their personal views on air. Our sharing of their work is not necessarily an endorsement of their personal views.
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Resources:
Kathie's mailing list with added goodies for our podcast listeners
The Seasonal Whisper available on Kathie's site here
Full Moon Feast by Jessica Prentice
Recipes from the Root Cellar by Andrea Chesman
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What is a Christmas pudding and how did it develop into the U.K.'s favourite festive dessert? What's inside one and, importantly, how can you make one in your kitchen?
In this episode we'll talk about the fascinating history of Christmas pudding and then dive into the practicalities of making your very own festive pudding.
What are the ingredients? How can you combine them? What's the cooking method? How do you serve it and what can you do with the leftovers?
We'll cover recipes from as far back as 1300 right up to the modern day and you will leave excited and ready to bring to life this traditional British Christmas desert in your own kitchen wherever you live in the world.
We'll both be cooking up a Christmas pudding this year, we love it if you would join us. Check out the free download with folklore, recipes and tips that's available for all listeners below.
Thanks to our supporters Andrea and I have recently invested in some new recording equipment. This means that future podcasts will be clearer. But, as we all know, new technologies have teething problems. And we experienced them here. This episode is clear, but, some of it isn't as high-quality as you are used to from us and we apologise for that. It won't take away from your enjoyment of Christmas puddings.
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Resources:
Christmas pudding download for all listeners, with history, poetry, recipes and more!
If you can’t get it locally, where to buy suet in the US:
If you can’t get it locally, where to buy suet in the UK:
https://www.organicbutchery.co.uk/buy/organic-beef-suet-shredded
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This is such a great episode covering Seven Ancestral Swap That Will Save You Money. We are assuming you are already well on the way to eating ancestral diet, so these are not swapping ancestral foods for conventional foods; these are swaps within the ancestral food paradigm that Alison and I have utilized to save money - within saving money. Everyone is tightening up their budgets right now and we are no exception to that. The conversation around fats, dairy products and drinks and so much more in this episode is so interesting; and the last, most complex swap is a very interesting one that has saved our family thousands of dollars, and it is well worth the time and effort it takes to investigate it.
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Resources:
Episode 4: The 5 Most Expensive (and Yet the Cheapest) Foods
Episode 66 and 67: 50 Ways to Save Money on an Ancestral Diet - Part 1 & 2
Episode 72: All About Spelt Sourdough
Episode 54: What have We Done to Beer!? (& What Can We Do About It?)
Episode 60: What Fermented Drinks Can I Make?
How to Render Lard in the Slow Cooker
Chai Recipes:
Rooibos Chai Concentrate with Maple Syrup - Venison for Dinner
Simple Concentrated Chai Syrup Recipe - Venison for Dinner
Episode 79: Butchering Poultry
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Today we got to sit down again with Meredith Leigh, a butcher and author of The Ethical Meat Handbook, and ask her a lot of questions about Confit, Rilette and Terrines. Meredith has a course on these three items - including headcheese, by the way - a course which Alison and I both took, and made use of in our own kitchens, and we loved the tasty results so much we wanted to ask Meredith more and get her on the air so you could hear her talk about these incredible versatile and thrifty preparation and preservation methods of storing meat, fat and scraps that honestly would often otherwise end up in the trash. Gary and I learned to make our new favorite lunch meat spread by going through this process, and made what is now going to be a staple every time we process a pig - and we cannot wait to try these processes with ducks, sheep, beef, turkey and other animals we raise on the farm. I look forward to hearing about all the variety of spices and means you will use to make these delightful, ancestral dishes. Enjoy the episode, and - warning - you might get a little hungry.
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What we cover:
The personal views and opinions of our guests do not necessarily reflect our own personal views or opinions. We recognize that our guests are whole persons and this may include views we or our audience actively disagree with; our guests are invited to the show because we feel they have something valuable to share with us all, and we do not ask them to censor their personal views on air. Our sharing of their work is not necessarily an endorsement of their personal views.
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Resources:
Meredith's Garum course with a 10% discount automatically applied
Meredith's book in our non-Amazon bookstore
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The podcast is mixed and the music created by Alison's husband, Rob. Find him here: Robert Michael Kay
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