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    Software How-To

    AI DevOps Podcast

    The AI DevOps Podcast is a show for those shipping software using AI, .NET, Azure, and DevOps. Each show brings you hard-hitting interviews with industry experts, innovating better methods, and sharing success stories. Sponsoring the podcast is Clear Measure, a software architecture and engineering firm that implements AI to empower software teams to establish quality, achieve stability, and increase speed. Hosted by CTO & Chairman, Jeffrey Palermo.

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    2024 Kickoff - Episode 279 Jan 08, 2024
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    Welcome to 2024. It's going to be a great year in .NET, in Azure, and with DevOps. To kick things off, I wanted to review some of the big things you'll want to look at in 2024. To do that, I'm airing a piece I recorded reviewing the highlights from .NET Conf looking at it from an architectural perspective. There are so many updates, but in this piece, I interpret the architectural thinking you'll undergo as you implement the new bits. So, Happy New Year, and I'll roll the piece.

    Topics of Discussion:

    [:14] Jeffrey is looking for his next software engineering apprentice.

    [5:44] The biggest architectural change in Maui is going to a single project system.

    [7:34] When you should do a proof of concept.

    [9:59] What is the architectural significance of the semantic kernel?

    [13:40] Cloud Native.

    [13:46] Microsoft is giving us the building blocks so that we can create our own GPT Program.

    [16:19] Training and use of the right library.

    [18:11] Health checks are essential for monitoring dependencies in an application.

    [23:03] Containers.

    [28:11] How do you know if AOT is for you?

    [29:25] .NET Aspire's biggest architectural opportunities.

    [32:07] In Blazor, the biggest news architecturally and the biggest impact on your team is the ability to develop any type of application with just one developer skill set, design patterns, and programming model.

    [38:22] In C#, class-level parameters are going to change your game.

    [43:15] The importance of continuous integration and environment types for .NET applications in 2024.

    Mentioned in this Episode:

    Clear Measure Way

    Architect Forum

    Software Engineer Forum

    Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net.

    Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

    .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

    Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

    Want to Learn More?

    Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.


    Jeff Fritz: .NET Conf Recap - Episode 278 Jan 01, 2024
    Show notes

    Jeff Fritz is an experienced developer, technical educator, and PM on the .NET team at Microsoft. He founded The Live Coders team on Twitch, and regularly livestreams builds of websites and fun applications. You can follow Jeff for more .NET, .NET Core, and Visual Studio content on Twitch and Twitter at @csharpfritz.

    Topics of Discussion:

    [2:00] Jeff talks about how he shifted from programming to teaching.

    [4:08] Teaching and mentoring led Jeff to an opportunity to join Microsoft as a developer advocate.

    [7:33] Jeff is the Executive Producer for .NET Conf.

    [8:10] What are some of the great events happening at .NET Conf?

    [10:00] When did Jeff build the .NET Conf 2023 team?

    [11:35] The planning and execution of .NET Conf.

    [15:31] Virtual vs. in-person conferences and interactivity.

    [22:16] The biggest .NET conference announcements and new features that attendees shouldn't miss.

    [23:20] .NET Aspire.

    [24:33] Intro to Web Applications for .NET for experts.

    [29:40] Jeff loves that "aha moment" that can come with thinking outside the box.

    [30:24] What should people do next?

    Mentioned in this Episode:

    Clear Measure Way

    Architect Forum

    Software Engineer Forum

    Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net.

    Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

    .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

    Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

    Github.com/dotnet-presentations/dotNETConf/tree/main/2023

    .NET Conf

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    Carl Franklin: Why.NET Rocks - Episode 277 Dec 26, 2023
    Show notes

    Carl Franklin is Executive Vice President of App vNext, a software development firm focused on modern methodologies and technologies. Carl is a 20+ year veteran of the software industry, co-host and founder of .NET Rocks!, the first and most widely listened to podcast for .NET developers, a Microsoft MVP for Developer Technologies, and Senior Executive of Pwop Studios, a full-service audio and video production/post-production studio located in Southeastern Connecticut.

    Topics of Discussion:

    [6:50] Tips for those interested in starting their own podcast.

    [9:42] What draws Carl to teaching and training?

    [11:01] Carl's mentorship from Ethan Winer at Crescent Software and how that ethic stuck with him.

    [12:10] What has and hasn't changed, and how do we navigate text moving off the paper and onto the web?

    [15:41] Why Carl finds it worthwhile to have talk code with ChatGPT.

    [20:22] SMTP in the '90s had little security.

    [23:40] What are the big things coming out that are going to change the game?

    [24:40] Steve Sanderson's demo of Blazor.

    [28:36] The remaking of how we do URL launches applications.

    [31:22] The Blazor component model is clean and easy to use, thanks to Steve Sanderson.

    [31:57] The evolution of web development, from static sites to interactive applications, and how Blazor's streaming rendering technology can bridge the gap between these two approaches.

    [35:42] EventCallback.

    [36:22] What does the next five years look like for Carl?

    [40:17] A new show, The Blazor Puzzle.

    [42:07] Taking inspiration from the Car Talk podcast.

    [44:44] What conferences and travel do Carl and Jeffrey have on their calendars for 2024?

    Mentioned in this Episode:

    Clear Measure Way

    Architect Forum

    Software Engineer Forum

    Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net.

    Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

    .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

    Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

    Carl Franklin

    AppVNext

    .NET Rocks podcast

    Blazor Train

    Blazor Puzzle

    DevSum Stockholm

    DEVintersection Vegas

    Podcast platform: Spreaker.com

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    Steve Smith: .NET 8 and Architecture - Episode 276 Dec 18, 2023
    Show notes

    Steve works with companies that want to avoid the trap of technical debt by helping their teams deliver quality software quickly. Steve and his team at NimblePros have been described by clients as a "force multiplier," amplifying the value of existing development teams. Steve's client list includes Microsoft, Quicken Loans, Celina Insurance, and many other satisfied customers. He also offers career coaching to developers through DevBetter.com. Steve has been recognized as a Microsoft MVP for over 20 years.

    Topics of Discussion:

    [4:24] Steve's path into development.

    [5:14] How writing testable software became a passion of Steve's.

    [7:09] Which parts of the .NET release stood out the most to Steve?

    [7:41] .NET Aspire.

    [12:26] Making local development easier.

    [14:05] Steve believes developers should be capable and comfortable writing unit tests for their software and writing unit-testable code.

    [15:27] Dependency inversion principle.

    [16:40] Thinking of interfaces as describing the "what" and implementations as describing the "how."

    [17:57] A few other items that Steve is also excited about in C# 12.

    [20:58] Class level parameters in C#.

    [25:59] Managing dependencies in distributed systems.

    [28:47] The PACELC Principle.

    [31:08] The trade-offs of using microservices, including the potential for inconsistent data and the need for coordination between services.

    [36:34] AI's impact on developer productivity.

    [41:46] The importance of understanding AI's limitations.

    Mentioned in this Episode:

    Clear Measure Way

    Architect Forum

    Software Engineer Forum

    Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net.

    Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

    .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

    Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

    Clean Architecture .NET Conf 2023

    Steve Smith: Domain Driven Design

    Steve Smith Twitter

    Dependency Injection

    Pluralsight course on SOLID

    Pacelc Principle

    Want to Learn More?

    Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.


    Clark Sell: Developer Education and Networking - Episode 275 Dec 11, 2023
    Show notes

    From humble beginnings as a mechanic who later became a software engineer/architect/now business owner and who has built software for some of the biggest companies on the planet, Clark's passionately unapologetic on a mission to create the most inclusive, tech-savvy, family-friendly community of geeks on the planet. Fueled by creativity, Clark invests his time partnering with companies on how to foster their communities while helping them solve business problems through innovative technology solutions and common sense.

    Topics of Discussion:

    [2:45] What events in Clark's career shaped and steered him in his current direction?

    [4:29] Developmentor, and how Clark got into user groups and events.

    [6:54] What should we know about That Conference?

    [9:52] The growing culture of That Conference.

    [12:22] The pros and cons of small tech conferences.

    [12:41] That Conference is only a team of four.

    [13:50] The importance of in-person connections and bonding at conferences.

    [14:56] We want to meet other coders! How That Conference gets people together where the conversation is perfectly aligned.

    [19:09] What was the first conference Clark attended?

    [25:06] Tips for both newbies and return attendees for getting the most out of attending That Conference.

    [26:09] Open spaces provide a place for unstructured conversation anytime, anywhere.

    [28:40] Making the most of networking when the "density of nerds" is extremely high.

    [28:55] At conferences, it's about the collective coming together.

    [30:44] How can someone learn more and get involved with That Conference?

    Mentioned in this Episode:

    Clear Measure Way

    Architect Forum

    Software Engineer Forum

    Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net.

    Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

    .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

    Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

    Clark Sell on LinkedIn

    Clark Sell on Twitter

    That Conference

    hello@thatconference.com

    Want to Learn More?

    Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.


    Daniel Roth: Blazor with .NET 8 - Episode 274 Dec 04, 2023
    Show notes

    Daniel Roth is a Principal Product Manager on the ASP.NET team working on ASP.NET Core, Blazor, and other web features. He has previously worked on various parts of .NET, including System.Net, WCF, XAML, and ASP.NET. His passions include building frameworks for modern Web frameworks that are simple and easy to use.

    Topics of Discussion:

    [3:08] Daniel talks about joining Microsoft fresh out of college and shares a brief history of how his career has evolved.

    [4:10] Working on Blazor with Steve Sanderson.

    [5:42] Different career paths at a company that sells software products.

    [7:20] How product managers blend technical and business aspects of software development.

    [10:40] There's nothing "normal" about Blazor.

    [12:25] Why Daniel would recommend Blazor.

    [15:34] The initial choice in building between Blazor server apps and web assembly apps, and how we have evolved past these two project template models.

    [16:29] Blazor components can be rendered in different ways depending on the render mode chosen.

    [27:15] The importance of maximizing choices in the future for an application.

    [30:28] Azure bill updates.

    [33:15] Server-side rendering, stateful vs stateless models, and new features in.NET 8.

    [37:00] Other exciting Blazor news and features, such as enhanced navigation.

    [39:55] Improvements for authentication and identity.

    Mentioned in this Episode:

    Clear Measure Way

    Architect Forum

    Software Engineer Forum

    Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net.

    Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

    .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

    Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

    Ep #204 with Daniel Roth

    BlazorMVC

    BlazorMVC Nuget

    Want to Learn More?

    Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.


    Maarten Balliauw: Developer Tools - Episode 273 Nov 27, 2023
    Show notes

    Maarten loves building web and cloud apps. His main interests are in .NET web technologies, C#, and application performance. He is Developer Advocate at JetBrains and created SpeakerTravel, a tool to help conference organizers. Maarten is a frequent speaker at various national and international events. In his free time, he brews his own beer.

    Topics of Discussion:

    [4:34] The mindset difference between developing software applications for everyday use versus developer tools, and how it affects the programming process.

    [5:40] What is JetBrains, and why should .NET devs care?

    [6:44] IDE stands for integrated development environments.

    [9:01] JetBrains announcing Rider.

    [10:31] Essential software development patterns for desktop applications.

    [13:35] What does the code generally look like? Is it .NET events? Is it observer pattern?

    [15:54] Maarten talks about the approach of creating general-purpose business applications with modular components, making development and maintenance more efficient.

    [18:35] TeamCity, a continuous integration (CI) server used internally and for building products.

    [19:50] The concept of a safe merge.

    [21:11] JetBrains Toolbox.

    [21:53] How Maarten compartmentalizes tests.

    [24:44] Static analysis tools for code quality and customization.

    [27:38] Duplicate code identifier.

    [30:41] VS Code.

    [32:13] What are some interesting things to look out for in the future?

    Mentioned in this Episode:

    Clear Measure Way

    Architect Forum

    Software Engineer Forum

    Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net.

    Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

    .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

    Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

    Maarten's Blog

    Rider

    Resharper

    Building a .NET IDE with JetBrains Rider

    NDepend

    Visual Studio for Mac Retirement Announcement

    .NET Annotated Monthly — Sept 2023

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    Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.


    Scott Hunter: .NET8 - Episode 272 Nov 20, 2023
    Show notes

    Scott is the Vice President of Product for Azure Developer Experience. He builds all the .NET tools for Azure.

    Topics of Discussion:

    [2:20] Scott talks about joining Microsoft in 2007 and a few of his most memorable milestones and moments.

    [5:55] .NET Aspire

    [6:46] The 3‒4 items in .NET that are important for developers to focus on.

    [12:02] Improving.NET performance through AOT compilation.

    [12:22] Introducing a self-contained application.

    [19:09] Advancements in .NET technology and its applications.

    [22:11] AI technology and its integration into various products.

    [22:12] The generative pre-trained to chat transform (GPT).

    [24:19] Semantic Kernel and open SDK in .NET.

    [30:12] Aspire, a tool for simplifying web development.

    [38:25] What Scott calls the orchestrator app.

    [43:27] Scott's excitement for the multi-part cloud applications coming together.

    [45:08] The great feedback that is already rolling in.

    Mentioned in this Episode:

    Clear Measure Way

    Architect Forum

    Software Engineer Forum

    Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net.

    Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

    .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

    Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

    Ep #211 with Scott Hunter

    Orchestrate Your AI with Semantic Kernel

    openai sdk in .NET

    Demystifying Retrieval Augmented Generation with .NET

    .NET Aspire

    .NET Conf

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    Martin Thwaites: Building Software for Production - Episode 271 Nov 13, 2023
    Show notes

    Martin Thwaites is a Developer Advocate at Honeycomb, an o11y enthusiast, and a delivery-focused Developer from the UK. With over 20 years of experience in development in the .NET ecosystem, he's worked with many companies on scaling up engineering teams and products. The past few years have been spent working on solving complex problems with some of the UK's big names, including e-commerce retailers and credit lenders.

    Topics of Discussion:

    [2:42] Martin getting his start in testing.

    [5:55] What other products is Honeycomb similar to?

    [5:57] APM monitoring metrics.

    [9:05] O11y

    [9:30] The foundational elements of Honeycomb.

    [13:36] For smartphone applications, desktop, or mobile, what of these concepts are the same, and what's different?

    [15:49] Tracing the unknown unknowns.

    [17:43] Where open telemetry comes in and shines.

    [28:04] Do you commit locally, group them up together and execute a push?

    [33:24] Moving TFS Code Base onto Git.

    [34:40] What TFS did right.

    [35:31] The minimum sets of testing and verification that need to go in this chain just to get people enough of a safety net.

    [35:43] Developer tests and Web Application Factory.

    Mentioned in this Episode:

    Clear Measure Way

    Architect Forum

    Software Engineer Forum

    Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net.

    Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

    .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

    Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

    Martin Thwaites LinkedIn

    Martin on Twitter

    Martin.Net

    Honeycomb

    OpenTelemetry

    Want to Learn More?

    Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.


    Jeremy Clark: Design Patterns - Episode 270 Nov 06, 2023
    Show notes

    Jeremy helps developers by sharing his struggles, mostly in technology, but also with being more social as an introvert, understanding learning potential, and playing banjo. He has worked as a corporate developer, as a Chief Improvement Officer at a startup, and as a contract developer. Currently, he teaches developers through online courses, workshops, tech articles, and conference talks. He spends most of his time in C# and has recently ventured into Go (Golang) and Rust (Rust lang) to explore some of his favorite topics: interfaces, delegates, concurrency, and parallel programming. You can see him speaking next at LIVE! 360 in Orlando, FL Nov 12‒17, 2023. Use promo code "Clark" to save $500 off your ticket. Also Oct 23rd at DevSpaceConf in Huntsville, AL.

    Design patterns are not just for architects. In fact, you already use Design Patterns but probably don't know it. Observer, Facade, Iterator, Proxy — these are all patterns that allow us to better communicate our ideas with other developers. And once we understand the patterns, we can use solutions that people way smarter than we have already implemented. In this session, we'll take a look at several Gang of Four patterns that we regularly use without realizing it. Don't know who the Gang of Four is? Join us to find out.

    Topics of Discussion:

    [3:30] Jeremy talks about his foray into programming and the colleagues that helped him gain confidence.

    [6:44] Jeremy went from speaking at smaller user groups and code camps to global conferences.

    [7:35] The act of sharing gained expertise is what makes you an expert.

    [10:10] Design patterns and their relevance in development.

    [13:19] The importance of the Gang of Four book and Head First Design Patterns.

    [17:24] Iterator and the patterns that fall in that category.

    [20:43] Are we seeing classic patterns be redirected or are new ones taking shape?

    [23:05] The concept of abstraction.

    [24:10] The two states that developers fall into.

    [28:02] More about Jeremy's testing philosophy and how it's changed over the years.

    [29:26] What Jeremy prioritizes when helping other developers start a new codebase.

    [32:34] Where people can go for more education and information on these topics.

    Mentioned in this Episode:

    Clear Measure Way

    Architect Forum

    Software Engineer Forum

    Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net.

    Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

    .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

    Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

    Jeremy Clark Twitter

    Jeremy Clark LinkedIn

    Jeremy Bytes Blog

    DevSpace Conf

    Want to Learn More?

    Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.


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