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    Software How-To

    AI DevOps Podcast

    The AI DevOps Podcast is a show for those shipping software using AI, .NET, Azure, and DevOps. Each show brings you hard-hitting interviews with industry experts, innovating better methods, and sharing success stories. Sponsoring the podcast is Clear Measure, a software architecture and engineering firm that implements AI to empower software teams to establish quality, achieve stability, and increase speed. Hosted by CTO & Chairman, Jeffrey Palermo.

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    Jason Haley: Azure Services For Artificial Intelligence - Episode 309 Aug 05, 2024
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    Jason Haley is a Full Stack Solution Architect at Jason Haley Consulting, LLC, where he provides custom Azure and .NET application development solutions for a variety of clients. With over 20 years of experience using Microsoft technologies, he has earned the title of Microsoft Azure MVP and holds numerous certifications.

    His expertise lies in developing Web Applications and Single Page Applications (SPA) using Blazor, Angular, jQuery, ASP.Net Core, Entity Framework Core, Redis, SQL Server, and Windows Azure Active Directory. In addition, he customizes build processes for Azure DevOps pipelines and creates courseware for .NET and Azure topics. He is deeply passionate about learning and sharing his knowledge with the local Azure and .NET community, and he leads two user groups in the Boston area.

    Topics of Discussion:

    [3:40] The two things that have stuck out in Jason's career.

    [5:36] When Jason started paying attention to GenAI.

    [9:12] Looking at GenAI from a solution perspective.

    [10:52] Where to start as a .NET developer.

    [16:49] Why aren't there more examples in C#?

    [18:02] What is Graph RAG?

    [19:11] Using language models for natural language processing tasks, including prompt engineering and token limits.

    [20:56] The importance of prompt engineering, and how to optimize prompts.

    [25:04] Cost and mechanics of using OpenAI's language model in Azure.

    [32:12] Using Azure AI services for business problems and thinking about AI as an intern.

    [34:48] Recommendations for .NET developers to get started with Azure Open AI and semantic search.

    Mentioned in this Episode:

    Clear Measure Way

    Architect Forum

    Software Engineer Forum

    Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net.

    Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

    .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

    Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

    Jason Haley website

    Generative AI for Beginners

    Azure OpenAI RAG Pattern using a SQL Vector Database

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    Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.


    Gene Kim: Wiring a Winning Software Organization - Episode 308 Jul 29, 2024
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    Gene Kim has been studying high-performing technology organizations since 1999. He was the founder and CTO of Tripwire, Inc. for 13 years, running an enterprise security software company. As an author, Gene's books have sold over 1 million copies, including earning recognition as a Wall Street Journal bestselling author. He most recently co-authored Wiring the Winning Organization, as well as The Phoenix Project, The DevOps Handbook, and the Shingo Publication Award-winning book, Accelerate. Since 2014, he has been the organizer and program chair of the DevOps Enterprise Summit, now called the Enterprise Technology Leadership Summit, which studies the technology transformations of large, complex organizations.

    Topics of Discussion:

    [2:11] Gene joins the show and shares more about his career background.

    [9:51] Gene discusses the three key mechanisms that are common across various frameworks and methodologies: certification, simplification, and amplification.

    [10:06] What has changed since Gene released his first book in 2004?

    [14:42] The two revelations in the book.

    [18:25] The importance of layer 3 (organizational wiring) in complex systems.

    [21:16] Reducing communication barriers in software development teams.

    [24:33] Overcoming obstacles as a team.

    [25:56] IT department's role in business, including challenges with communication and coordination.

    [27:06] The Check Box project.

    [30:11] Is the concept of the IT department a good or bad idea?

    [32:11] What caused the DevOps moment?

    [38:40] Wiring software organizations for success.

    [43:08] How Gene learned what good architecture looks like.

    [44:41] Gene is blown away by how important the notion of independence of action is.

    Mentioned in this Episode:

    Clear Measure Way

    Architect Forum

    Software Engineer Forum

    Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net.

    Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

    .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

    Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

    Gene Kim

    Gene Kim on X

    Gene Kim LinkedIn

    The Unicorn Project, by Gene Kim

    The Phoenix Project: A Novel about IT, DevOps, and Helping Your Business Win, by Gene Kim, Kevin Behr, et al.

    "What to Expect at Enterprise Technology Leadership Summit at Vegas 2024"

    "Decoding the DNA of the Toyota Production System"

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    Craig Loewen: Windows Subsystem for Linux - Episode 307 Jul 22, 2024
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    Craig Loewen has had a love for technology ever since he was a child and has grown passionate about building things that empower people. From constructing his own quadcopter for photography to delivering developer tools that aid developers in driving technological innovation, he has done it all.

    As a product manager at Microsoft, he is responsible for the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL), a developer tool used by over 3 million developers and IT professionals. He defines the product vision and prioritizes the feature roadmap based on customer data, technical feedback, and market studies. On the personal side, he volunteers as a mentor at First Robotics, teaching high school students how to build robots and fostering a passion for STEM.

    Topics of Discussion:

    [3:52] Craig's career journey, starting as an intern working on Windows console and WSL features.

    [5:18] Common use cases for WSL — allowing developers to use Linux tools while staying on Windows.

    [7:43] How to get started with WSL.

    [8:59] Does Craig have any favorite Linux programs?

    [10:05] New Dev Home feature for managing WSL distros with a graphical interface.

    [11:36] How WSL works using virtualization technology.

    [13:35] Memory management in WSL — typical usage and automatic optimization.

    [15:22 WSL is designed primarily for development scenarios, not production environments.

    [20:33] Integration of local AI and small language models with WSL using VS Code AI Toolkit.

    [23:37] Using small language models for various tasks, including issue labeling and search functionality.

    [27:35] Intro to Sudo for Windows, bringing Linux-like elevated permissions to Windows commands.

    [28:39] What exactly is Sudo?

    [32:39] New enterprise features for WSL, including security controls and integration with Microsoft Defender.

    Mentioned in this Episode:

    Clear Measure Way

    Architect Forum

    Software Engineer Forum

    Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net.

    Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

    .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

    Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

    Craig Loewen

    What is the Windows Subsystem for Linux

    Windows Subsystem for Linux, Your Enterprise Ready Multitool

    Zero to Hero — Develop your first app with Local LLMs on Windows

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    Damian Brady: GitHub Copilot - Episode 306 Jul 15, 2024
    Show notes

    Damian Brady is a Staff Developer Advocate at GitHub. He's a developer, speaker, and author specializing in DevOps, MLOps, developer process, and software architecture. Formerly a Cloud Advocate at Microsoft for four years, and before that, a dev at Octopus Deploy and a Microsoft MVP, he has a 25-year background in software development and consulting in a broad range of industries. In Australia, he co-organized the Brisbane .Net User Group and launched the annual DDD Brisbane conference.

    Topics of Discussion:

    [3:45] When Damian realized he was interested in the things surrounding software development.

    [6:40] GitHub Copilot and AI tools to improve developer workflows.

    [8:50] What can people love GitHub Copilot for today?

    [16:06] How GitHub Copilot can assist developers without replacing them.

    [21:11] AI-powered code generation and bug detection.

    [25:15] Improving AI's ability to complete tasks by providing context and grounding it in truth.

    [29:23] How the process of adding a new field works.

    [34:03] Using Copilot to improve code development workflows.

    [42:03] The "ship to learn" idea.

    Mentioned in this Episode:

    Clear Measure Way

    Architect Forum

    Software Engineer Forum

    Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net.

    Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

    .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

    Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

    Ep 258 with Damian Brady

    Github Copilot Workspace

    Damian on Twitter

    Damian Brady

    GitHub Next

    CoPilot for Docs

    GitHub Next

    CoPilot for CLI

    Copilot Voice

    Want to Learn More?

    Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.


    Developer Experience in Windows 11 with Kayla Cinnamon - Episode 305 Jul 08, 2024
    Show notes

    Kayla Cinnamon is a Senior Product Manager at Microsoft working on the developer experience in Windows. This includes Dev Home and PowerToys. Kayla formerly worked on Windows Terminal and Cascadia Code, which is the font you all use inside Visual Studio. She holds a Master's degree in Information Technology from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute with a concentration in Human-Computer Interaction. She recently was a speaker at the recent Microsoft Build conference.

    Topics of Discussion:

    [6:02] Kayla talks about DevHome.

    [7:18] Examples of having agency over your machine.

    [9:05] Setting up an environment in DevHome and a WinGet configuration file.

    [10:10] Desired state configuration.

    [10:47] How do we generate these files?

    [12:26] Using Dev Home to simplify cloning and configuring repositories.

    [14:22] DSC can toggle Windows settings as well.

    [16:26] What is Dev Drive?

    [20:36] How run environments help bring your Cloud and remote environments into a centralized place.

    [23:09] The most popular power toys.

    [26:07] Windows subsystem for Linux.

    [31:00] What's the next power toy?

    [35:18] Ways for people to learn more.

    Mentioned in this Episode:

    Clear Measure Way

    Architect Forum

    Software Engineer Forum

    Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net.

    Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

    .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

    Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

    Ep 54 with Kayla Cinnamon and Rich Turner

    Kayla Cinnamon

    GitHub Kayla Cinnamon

    Kayla on X

    Kayla on LinkedIn

    Developer Experience improvements in Windows

    Windows Terminal

    Github Microsoft Cascadia

    Microsoft PowerToys

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    Mitch Denny: .NET Aspire Architecture - Episode 304 Jul 01, 2024
    Show notes

    Mitch is a Principal Software Engineer on the .NET Cloud team working on .NET Aspire and ASP.NET Core. Previously Mitch has worked on Azure services, the Azure SDK, and Azure DevOps.

    Topics of Discussion:

    [2:46] Mitch's career journey in the Microsoft ecosystem.

    [5:46] What makes it .NET Aspire vs. .NET8?

    [6:16] .NET Aspire focuses on seamless integration between app components.

    [8:18] Making sure the core of Aspire is cloud-agnostic.

    [10:48] Developer control plane.

    [11:40] How Aspire simplifies cross processes.

    [14:36] Using Aspire to manage dependencies in microservices applications.

    [18:18] Automating deployments with Azure DevOps and easy mode for .NET Aspire.

    [30:27] Securing container deployments.

    [34:39] Using Azure DevOps for cloud deployment and configuration management.

    [37:33] What are the best resources for people to dig in?

    [40:03] Azure subscriptions inside Microsoft.

    [43:43] They are only just getting started with Aspire, and with .NET 9 coming out in November.

    Mentioned in this Episode:

    Clear Measure Way

    Architect Forum

    Software Engineer Forum

    Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net.

    Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

    .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

    Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

    GitHub Mitch Denny

    .NET Aspire (aspire)

    github.com/dotnet/aspire/tree/main/playground

    github.com/dotnet/aspire

    github.com/dotnet/eShop

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    Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.


    Étienne Tremblay: Setting up for DevOps properly - Episode 303 Jun 24, 2024
    Show notes

    As the president of Tegaaa Solutions, a DevOps consulting firm, Étienne helps clients achieve optimal performance and efficiency in their software development processes. With over 30 years of IT experience and 20 years of Microsoft specialization, he has the skills and knowledge to provide tailored solutions for any DevOps challenge.

    He is passionate about sharing his expertise and best practices with the IT community as a Microsoft MVP for TFS and Azure DevOps since 2006, and a regular speaker at local technical conferences and user groups since 2005. He also offers mentoring and training for organizations using Visual Studio and Team Foundation Server and designs enterprise and application architectures for projects of all sizes. His mission is to empower developers and organizations to leverage the power of DevOps and Azure to deliver high-quality software faster and better.

    Topics of Discussion:

    [3:30] Étienne's career progression from mechanical engineering to software development.

    [6:14] Yes, Étienne was TFS before it was cool.

    [7:14] Étienne's interesting specialization in aerodynamics.

    [11:18] Not making things too complicated.

    [12:49] Étienne's interest in the building process.

    [14:07] Building the blueprint.

    [17:08] GitHub vs. Azure DevOps for enterprise use.

    [19:49] Microsoft's struggle with GitHub's repo-centric approach in the enterprise.

    [24:17] The key differences in how work is tracked.

    [28:10 What is Entra ID?

    [34:08] Agility is becoming a religion, where it needs to be more of a spirit.

    [38:04] Kanban system for managing work in progress.

    [46:24] Implementing Azure DevOps for beginners, with tips and resources.

    Mentioned in this Episode:

    Clear Measure Way

    Architect Forum

    Software Engineer Forum

    Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net.

    Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

    .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

    Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

    Etienne LinkedIn

    Get Started with Azure DevOps

    Tegaaa Solutions

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    Martin Hinshelwood: Migration Azure DevOps Server to the Cloud - Episode 302 Jun 17, 2024
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    Martin is a passionate agile leader with a track record of inspiring, encouraging, and igniting momentum. Featured speaker, author, and industry thought leader, Martin has a strong track record of helping organizations build a vision and execute evolutionary and revolutionary change. His deep technical knowledge, business insight, and experience drive impactful change for organizations.

    Technologist turned agilist, Martin successfully helps organizations decentralize, democratize, and evolve their way of work to build extraordinary processes and drive organizational change through culture, technology, and teamwork. He's been recognized by Microsoft as a Microsoft MVP, and he is the maintainer of the open-source Azure DevOps Migration Tools.

    Topics of Discussion:

    [2:59] Martin's career journey.

    [4:51] What Martin has learned as an MVP for 15 years.

    [5:59] If you're not good at something, do it more.

    [6:52] Azure DevOps Migration tools.

    [10:11] Martin adopted platform engineering to streamline processes and reduce costs.

    [14:31] What you should know before using Martin's tools.

    [21:55] It's not either/or between Microsoft migration tools and Azure DevOps migration tools.

    [27:00] What made TFS unique.

    [20:03] TFGit.

    [30:02] The process used in your source and target, and what challenges might people expect?

    [31:44] Limitations of migrating data from old TFS to new Azure DevOps using Microsoft tools.

    Mentioned in this Episode:

    Clear Measure Way

    Architect Forum

    Software Engineer Forum

    Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net.

    Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

    .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

    Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

    GitHub

    Migration Tools for Azure DevOps

    Martin — Scrum

    Naked Agility

    Agile Actually Podcast

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    Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.


    Scott Forsyth: Gen AI or Generative Artificial Intelligence - Episode 301 Jun 10, 2024
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    Scott has spent over 25 years in the IT field, working in disciplines such as systems architecture, software development, team growth, and entrepreneurship. He was a Microsoft MVP for 12 years in ASP.NET and IIS. He's co-authored two books (IIS 7 and IIS 8 Professional), is a Pluralsight author, and has spoken at various conferences, code camps, and user groups. He's now shifted into the AI space, building AI solutions and supporting others in their AI journey. He's also co-founding a new startup, so he's spending much of his time as an Entrepreneur.

    Topics of Discussion:

    [2:15] Scott's career path and what steered him into AI.

    [5:18] AI development and Scott's journey learning about generative AI.

    [7:15] AI use cases, including chatbots, text-to-speech, and speech-to-text.

    [13:14] Flowise AI.

    [15:48] RAG, AKA retrieval augmented generation.

    [17:32] Code interpreter.

    [18:10] How do we know that AI is terrible at math, and what are the other things it's not good at?

    [26:13] Using small language models for natural language processing.

    [37:13] Kitchen Co-Pilot app.

    Mentioned in this Episode:

    Clear Measure Way

    Architect Forum

    Software Engineer Forum

    Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net.

    Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

    .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

    Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

    Flowise

    Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG)

    Attention is All You Need

    kitchen copilot

    zapier

    Make

    Perplexity

    Claude

    Groq

    The Groq LPU Inference Engine

    @scottforsyth

    Scott on LinkedIn

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    Jim Leonardo: Leading Software Teams - Episode 300 Jun 03, 2024
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    Jim has been building solutions for clients in the cloud on Microsoft Azure since 2012 and building solutions in general for 20 years or more. Now, he heads up information technology for biBerk Insurance, overseeing both software development and IT operations. Most of Jim's experience is in consulting or enterprise with a few forays into product development.

    Following the path of least resistance, Jim ended up working primarily with Microsoft tools. The tool you know is the usually best tool to use, so the Microsoft path offers less and less resistance for Jim as time goes on.

    On the side, Jim is working on jimsrules.com to share experience and shaky opinions about teamwork and leadership in software development.

    Topics of Discussion:

    [3:33] There is a shortage of software leaders out there.

    [4:22] Jim's career progression.

    [5:26] Pulling back from leadership roles.

    [6:54] Recognizing the need to be hands-on and fill vacuums in leadership roles.

    [8:35] Embracing T- or V-shaped development.

    [11:34] If it isn't tested, it is broken.

    [16:47] Know who your customer is and what your product is.

    [18:10] The Innovator's Dilemma and the importance of asking why things are the way they are.

    [21:21] No matter how much experience you have, there is something you can learn from someone with less experience.

    [23:29] What we can learn from teen YouTubers.

    [24:25] The 10 specific rules; Rule 77 — Minimum Viable Products (MVP) are the start, not the end of a program.

    [26:26] Rule #7 about microservices.

    [27:52] Applying Conway's Law.

    [33:18] Rule 37 — Automated tests are my pillow.

    Rule 59 — A leader's job is to support the team. Most org charts are upside-down.

    Rule 68 — No one is a zero. They either add to the team or take away from it. The question is whether those who are taking away are growing towards a positive contribution.

    Rule 74 — Keeping standards high ultimately creates a better work environment.

    Rule 75 — When you prepare to teach something, you usually learn more than your potential students.

    Mentioned in this Episode:

    Clear Measure Way

    Architect Forum

    Software Engineer Forum

    Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net.

    Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor)

    .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

    Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

    Jim Leonardo LinkedIn

    Jim's Rules

    Jim's Rules: The List

    The Innovator's Dilemma: The Revolutionary Book That Will Change the Way You Do Business, by Clayton M. Christensen

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