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    Adoption: The Making of Me. An Oral History of Adoptee Stories

    Two adult adoptees, Sarah Reinhardt and Louise Browne, delve into all things adoption – from their perspectives as adult adoptees. Each season Sarah and Louise recap a chapter from a book centered on adoption and then interview a guest. Sarah and Louise come out of the ‘fog’ in real-time through Seasons One and Two and are advocating for change in the adoption industry. They want to give voice to all adoptees. Adoptee stories are needed to reframe the narrative around adoption.Sarah and Louise, two former business partners who had a successful ice cream truck in Los Angeles, team up again – this time in frank and honest conversations about all things adoption from the adoptee perspective. Both were adopted shortly after birth, but they had very different experiences. These will be intimate conversations, but also fun – because Sarah and Louise know how to lighten things up and have a good time. They also have an uncanny ability to get to the heart of a subject with anyone who crosses their path – so conversations will take many turns.

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    Stephen: For This Adoptee, Reunion Led to Surprises Oct 15, 2024
    Show notes

    Stephen Grochol is a Financial Planner in San Mateo, CA. He and his wife
    just celebrated their 20th wedding anniversary and they have two daughters.
    He is a post-Baby Scoop and post-Roe v. Wade adoptee. Born in Oakland,
    CA in 1974 he is the oldest of three. One brother was adopted and the
    youngest was not.
    Stephen’s adoptive parents went through a private doctor for this process.
    He was relinquished immediately after birth and whisked home to Pacifica
    where he grew up. A stroke of luck occurred when his Aunt and
    Godmother procured the names of his birth parents during his delivery.
    As time went on things within his family unit started to unravel. His younger
    brother, also adopted, started suffering mental health issues and was
    ultimately diagnosed as schizophrenic and bipolar. The family was
    hamstrung by the fact his medical records were sealed by the state of
    California. This was the prompt that Stephen needed to start the reunion
    process, for real.
    His parents were amazingly supportive throughout the entire search for
    reunion. This just made things okay. On his 28th birthday, armed with “the
    adoption file” he was able to quickly track down his birth father. They have
    been in reunion since 2003.
    Tracking down his birth mother was a much more difficult task. Two weeks
    after he was born the birth parents broke up and she joined a church that
    had some “cult-like” qualities. In 2017, Stephen and his birth father used
    Ancestry DNA to narrow the search for her. It worked! It’s here where he
    met a half-sister on his mother’s side. From there he was able to finally
    track down their birth mother on Halloween of all dates.
    The reunion with both parents and the siblings has been filled with joy and
    happiness. There have been several family reunions where Stephen finally
    feels like he’s “wearing the right uniform.” Of course, no reunion is perfect
    but we are pretty close.
    It’s after all this that Stephen has come out of the fog. Listening to Sarah
    and Louise, along with more specialized therapy are major factors for this.
    Stephen is quite familiar with fog as he grew up in Pacifica…. One of the
    foggiest towns in California. Sunny days lie ahead….
    The Girls Who Went Away by Ann Fessler
    Exciting News! We will be reading and discussing: You Should Be Grateful: Stories of Race, Identify, and Transracial Adoption by Angela Tucker in Season 9.
    Here is a link to order her book: bookshop link.
    Magic Mind/ADOPTIONTRIAL: USE CODE: ADOPTEETRIAL
    USE THE CODE AND LINK TO: receive a 3-sample pack for free.


    RESOURCES for Adoptees
    S12F Helping Adoptees
    Gregory Luce and Adoptees Rights Law
    Joe Soll & other adoptee resources
    Fireside Adoptees Facebook Group
    Reckoning with the Primal Wound Documentary
    Dr. Li

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    Jennifer: An Adoptee Investigator Turns to Herself Oct 08, 2024
    Show notes

    Jennifer Dyan Ghoston is a same-race domestic foster alum and adoptee in reunion with both sides of her biological family. After a 27-year career in law enforcement with the Chicago Police Department, she retired in 2014 as a police detective. In 2015, she self-published her memoir, "The Truth So Far...a detective's journey to reunite with her birth family". She credits her spiritual journey that started over forty years ago for allowing her path to unfold in unexpected and meaningful ways. In 2021, Jennifer's continued efforts to be open, honest, and public about her lived experience while holding space for other members of the constellation (primarily adoptees) has led to hosting the podcast, "Once Upon A Time...In Adopteeland". She currently co-facilitates the Adoptee Voices Writing Group created by Sara Easterly.

    Website to find Jennifer: http://www.jenniferdyanghoston.com
    Website to Jennifer's Podcast: www.Onceuponatimeinadopteeland.com
    The Girls Who Went Away by Ann Fessler
    Exciting News! We will be reading and discussing:You Should Be Grateful: Stories of Race, Identify, and Transracial Adoption by Angela Tucker in Season 9.
    Here is a link to order her book: bookshop link.
    Magic Mind/ADOPTIONTRIAL: USE CODE: ADOPTEETRIAL
    USE THE CODE AND LINK TO: receive a 3-sample pack for free.


    RESOURCES for Adoptees
    S12F Helping Adoptees
    Gregory Luce and Adoptees Rights Law
    Joe Soll & other adoptee resources
    Fireside Adoptees Facebook Group
    Reckoning with the Primal Wound Documentary
    Dr. Liz Debetta: Migrating Toward Wholeness Movement
    Hiraeth Hope & Healing
    Moses Farrow - Trauma therapist and advocate
    National Suicide Prevention Lifeline – 1-800-273-8255 OR Dial or Text 988.
    Unraveling Adoption with Beth Syverson
    Adoptees Connect with Pamela Karanova

    Thank you to our Patreons! Join at the $10 level and be part of our monthly Zoom /ADOPTEE CAFE community. This is an adoptee-only space. We do appreciate all of our Patreons. The next meeting is Oct. 19th @ 1pm ET


    Support the show

    To support the show - Patreon.


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    Kelly: A Late Discovery Adoptee Digs for the Truth Oct 01, 2024
    Show notes

    Kelly was born in 1970 and grew up in Wichita, Kansas. Her parents divorced before she could remember and she had no contact with her dad. Second oldest of five children, she blended in well enough but noticed some differences. She had reason to believe she was adopted and asked when she was a teenager. Her mother continually said she was not adopted. The physical differences were dismissed as traits that might have come from her absent dad.
    Kelly is happily married and has three sons. She is an engineer and a passionate quilter.
    Fast forward to 2022, her oldest son was curious about his genetic makeup and took a 23andMe. A niece had previously done 23andMe and shared her results. Kelly was surprised that her absent dad was in the database as well. When her son’s results arrived, the niece was not there nor absent dad. Curiously, there were other relatives that she did not know.
    Her mother quickly confessed that Kelly was indeed adopted. The rest of the kids were all biological and her mom intended to take this secret to the grave.
    Her mom did not want her “to feel different.”
    Reaching out to a relative on 23andMe, as well as the adoption agency, it was only 10 days before Kelly was reunited by phone with her parents. Her parents are still together, married for 50 years, and she has two biological brothers. They had been looking for her for many years. She learned that her dad is an engineer, her mom is a quilter, and many other commonalities.
    Kelly describes her story as a fairytale reunion. She has been welcomed into her biological family and they have grown very close. She continues to work on her relationship with her adopted mom, trying to work through her anger and feelings of deception.
    The Girls Who Went Away by Ann Fessler
    Magic Mind/ADOPTIONTRIAL: USE CODE: ADOPTEETRIAL
    USE THE CODE AND LINK TO: receive a 3-sample pack for free.
    RESOURCES for Adoptees
    S12F Helping Adoptees
    Gregory Luce and Adoptees Rights Law
    Joe Soll & other adoptee resources
    Fireside Adoptees Facebook Group
    Reckoning with the Primal Wound Documentary
    Dr. Liz Debetta: Migrating Toward Wholeness Movement
    Hiraeth Hope & Healing
    Moses Farrow
    National Suicide Prevention Lifeline – 1-800-273-8255 OR Dial or Text 988.
    Unraveling Adoption
    Adoptees Connect with Pamela Karanova

    Thank you to our Patreons! Join at the $10 level and be part of our monthly Zoom /ADOPTEE CAFE community. This is an adoptee-only space. We do appreciate all of our Patreons. The next meeting is Oct. 19th @ 1pm ET

    Support the show

    To support the show - Patreon.


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    Liz: Migrating Toward Wholeness Sep 24, 2024
    Show notes

    Dr. Liz DeBetta, creator of Migrating Toward Wholeness© is an adoptee and independent scholar-artist-activist committed to changing systems and helping people navigate trauma through creative processes. She believes that stories are powerful change agents and when we write them and share them we connect and heal. Liz is a proud member of Actor's Equity, SAG-AFTRA, Affiliate Faculty at the Institute for Research on Women and Gender, and part of the Diversity Scholars Network at the National Center for Institutional Diversity at the University of Michigan. She has published articles on autoethnography and adoptee narratives, has an award-winning one-woman show called Un-M-Othered, and facilitates trauma-informed healing through 1:1 coaching and workshops for adoptees and women. Her book Adult Adoptees and Writing to Heal: Migrating Toward Wholeness is available from Brill Publishers.
    To find Dr. Liz:
    Instagram
    Website
    The Girls Who Went Away by Ann Fessler
    RESOURCES for Adoptees
    S12F Helping Adoptees
    Gregory Luce and Adoptees Rights Law
    Joe Soll & other adoptee resources
    Fireside Adoptees Facebook Group
    Reckoning with the Primal Wound Documentary
    Dr. Liz Debetta: Migrating Toward Wholeness Movement
    Hiraeth Hope & Healing
    Moses Farrow
    National Suicide Prevention Lifeline – 1-800-273-8255 OR Dial or Text 988.
    Unraveling Adoption
    Adoptees Connect with Pamela Karanova

    Thank you to our Patreons! Join at the $10 level and be part of our monthly Zoom /ADOPTEE CAFE community. This is an adoptee-only space. We do appreciate all of our Patreons. The next meeting is Oct. 19th @ 1pm ET

    Support the show

    Support the show

    To support the show - Patreon.


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    Michael: Beckett's Children: A Literary Memoir - Live Episode from Kansas City 9.7.24 Sep 17, 2024
    Show notes

    Born at St. Vincent’s Hospital in Greenwich Village on Nov. 11, 1954, Michael was adopted five weeks later by John and Eleanor Coffey, a corrections officer and an RN, respectively. The adoption was handled by the New York Foundling Hospital. John and Eleanor had been unable to have children.
    He was raised as an only child in a small town in the Adirondacks. By the time his parents told him overtly that he was adopted, at age 8, he already knew. Following the Foundling’s recommendation, they had told him from the beginning that they had “chosen” him in a nursery with many other babies.
    Although they were loving parents, it seems they were also a bit distant—“hands-off.” Sadly, one of the few things they knew about Michael’s birth parents was that they were college-educated, and it seemed to make them feel that he was of different and maybe better stock. Michael feels they tried to stay out of his way. Although Michael had what he calls a perfectly happy childhood, there was something missing. After much soul-searching and research, he believes there might be an element of containment missing, a term used by Melanie Klein and, later, Wilfred Bion, two prominent psychotherapists--containment being the provision of a safe space at a critical part of childhood development.

    Michael went off to college at Notre Dame, and spent his junior year in Dublin. College took care of him to a degree (the Notre Dame motto is in loco parentis—in place of parents). Leaving college, though, was a terrifying prospect, and two months after graduating he married a woman he had known for only four months.

    Michael studied Anglo-Irish literature at the University of Leeds in England; his wife and he had a son, Joshua. He earned his Master’s degree. In 1978, the little family moved to New York City. Michael got a job in publishing and, settled, he wrote to the New York Founding, which was just 15 blocks from their walk-up apartment. A Sister Phelps provided him with “background information but not identifying information.” His search for his parents began. He went down many dead-ends.

    At the age of 50, with the help of a private investigator, he discovered that both his birth parents were deceased; his father was a Gallagher, whose own father was from Donegal, Ireland; and his mother, indeed Virginia, was fourth-generation Irish-American from a Co. Mayo family. She was a one-time Broadway actress and cabaret singer in Manhattan when he was conceived. His father, Robert Michael Gallagher, was driving a cab in New York and writing poetry at the time. They both hailed originally from Philadelphia.

    Michael has written a memoir in which he traces these developments, emphasizing that, since he came of age, he has been looking and listening for traces, voices, and ghosts of lost birth parents, lost siblings, or half-siblings. He did find them, ghosts and real, but just as when John and Eleanor told him at age 8 that he was adopted when he already knew it, he says he also seemed to know who he was, and where he was from before the evidence was in. At this point in his life, he welcomes this as a measure of containment, a “safety in knowing.”
    Thank you to our Patreons! Join at the $10 level and be part of our monthly ADOPTEE CAFE community. Our next Zoom is on 10/19 at 1 PM ET. This is an adoptee-only community. We appreciate all of our Patreons!
    The Girls Who Went Away by Ann Fessler

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    Lea: Late Reunion Brings Love and Connection Sep 10, 2024
    Show notes

    Lea is an adoptee born at the end of the Baby Scoop era, 1970. She was born and raised in the city where she currently lives with her family. She knew from a young age that she was an adopted, a "chosen baby". She was always proud to say she was adopted and would challenge classmates when asked about her "real parents". Lea believes that she was raised by her "real" parents and does not refer to them as her adoptive parents. Lea stood out from her family at an early age as she is very tall (5'10") and her mother is 4'8". She's always been the tallest out of the extended family until her two children came along and they are both over 6 feet!

    Lea reunited with her biological mother in 2007. Her biological mother found her after a five-minute search online but it took some finessing to make the connection finally. They remained in reunion for about fifteen years during which time they visited, vacationed together and spent several holidays together.

    At seventy-four, Lea's biological father had the surprise of his life when he discovered through a cousin that he had a fifty-year old daughter who lived twenty minutes away. This connection was through Ancestry.com and again, happened very quickly. Lea recently enjoyed a two-week vacation with her biological father, his wife (who Lea refers to as Bonus Mom), and her aunt.

    Lea has struggled with the idea of connection her entire life. Even after the black holes of knowing who you are have been filled, Lea continues to search for her connection and sense of belonging.
    RESOURCES for Adoptees
    S12F Helping Adoptees
    Gregory Luce and Adoptees Rights Law
    Joe Soll & other adoptee resources
    Fireside Adoptees Facebook Group
    Reckoning with the Primal Wound Documentary
    Dr. Liz Debetta: Migrating Toward Wholeness Movement
    Hiraeth Hope & Healing
    Moses Farrow
    National Suicide Prevention Lifeline – 1-800-273-8255 OR Dial or Text 988.
    Unraveling Adoption
    Adoptees Connect with Pamela Karanova

    Thank you to our Patreons! Join at the $10 level and be part of our monthly Zoom /ADOPTEE CAFE community. Our next Zoom is on 9/14 at 1 pm ET.

    Support the show

    To support the show - Patreon.


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    Patti: The Girl With Three Birthdays Sep 03, 2024
    Show notes

    Patti Eddington is a newspaper and magazine journalist whose favorite job ever was interviewing famous authors who came through town on book tours. She never dreamed of writing about her life because she was too busy helping build her husband’s veterinary practice, caring for her animal-obsessed daughter—whose favorite childhood toy was an inflatable tick—and learning to tap dance. Then fate, and a DNA test, led her to a story she felt compelled to tell. Today, the mid-century modern design enthusiast and former dance teacher enjoys being dragged on walks by her ridiculous three-legged dog, David, and watching the egrets and bald eagles from her deck on a beautiful bayou in Spring Lake, Michigan.

    The Girl with Three Birthdays by Patti Eddington
    To skip ahead to the interview go to timestamp: 16:51

    The Girls Who Went Away by Ann Fessler
    September 7th in Kansas City, Missouri
    Eventbrite: LIVE RECORDED PODCAST with Adoption: The Making of Me (ATMOM) & A PHOTO JOURNEY with Jeff Forney of The Innocent People Project
    RESOURCES for Adoptees
    S12F Helping Adoptees
    Gregory Luce and Adoptees Rights Law
    Joe Soll & other adoptee resources
    Fireside Adoptees Facebook Group
    Reckoning with the Primal Wound Documentary
    Dr. Liz Debetta: Migrating Toward Wholeness Movement
    Hiraeth Hope & Healing
    Moses Farrow
    National Suicide Prevention Lifeline – 1-800-273-8255 OR Dial or Text 988.

    Thank you to our Patreons! Join at the $10 level and be part of our monthly Zoom /ADOPTEE CAFE community. Our next Zoom is on 9/14 at 1 pm ET.

    Support the show

    To support the show - Patreon.


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    Kathleen: A Reunion Full of Surprises Aug 27, 2024
    Show notes

    Kathleen was born in 1968 in Northern California. Her birth mother relinquished her for adoption immediately upon birth, and Kathleen was then adopted by a loving family who already had a 3-year-old adopted son.

    When Kathleen was 22 years old she found her birth mother. Thirty years later she learned that her birth father was an enforcer for the Hells Angels and was shot and killed when Kathleen was seven years old.

    She also learned that she has at least seven sisters and one brother on her father’s side -- all from different mothers from the same birth father. Each of her siblings is about a year apart. Kathleen has met most of her siblings and remains in contact with each of them to this day.

    Kathleen is a sociology professor living with her spouse in Honolulu and continues to make sense of her adoption experience through a sociological lens.
    To hear the full call of Kathleen's Birth Mother:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjt5_vLQYK4
    LINK to hear the full call to Kathleen's Birth Mother.

    Correction to the episode from Kathleen: It has been 5 years since finding all of my 8 birth siblings. However, just a year and a half since Marianne and Kenny passed away.
    To skip ahead to the interview go to timestamp: 14:55

    The Girls Who Went Away by Ann Fessler
    September 7th in Kansas City, Missouri
    Eventbrite: LIVE RECORDED PODCAST with Adoption: The Making of Me (ATMOM) & A PHOTO JOURNEY with Jeff Forney of The Innocent People Project
    RESOURCES for Adoptees
    S12F Helping Adoptees
    Gregory Luce and Adoptees Rights Law
    Joe Soll & other adoptee resources
    Fireside Adoptees Facebook Group
    Reckoning with the Primal Wound Documentary
    Dr. Liz Debetta: Migrating Toward Wholeness Movement
    Hiraeth Hope & Healing
    Moses Farrow
    National Suicide Prevention Lifeline – 1-800-273-8255 OR Dial or Text 988.

    Thank you to our Patreons! Join at the $10 level and be part of our monthly Zoom /ADOPTEE CAFE community. Our next Zoom is on 9/14 at 1 pm ET.

    Support the show

    To support the show - Patreon.


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    Gaynor: An Adoptee Finds Resilience Aug 20, 2024
    Show notes

    Gaynor was born in a mother-and-baby home and spent the first six weeks of life there before being adopted in the same town of birth. Despite a challenging childhood with an adoptive mother who exhibited narcissistic tendencies, Gaynor persevered through an unhappy adoption experience. At the age of 31, after becoming a parent, Gaynor reconnected with their birth family. This reunion, spanning over 30 years, has been a remarkable success, with Gaynor finding a true sense of belonging and love.

    The journey of healing from past traumas has been long and profound. Writing a memoir, intended for her grandchildren, has been a significant part of her healing process. Now in a great place in life, Gaynor finds strength and peace in sharing her story, turning past challenges into a narrative of resilience and hope in the form of letters to all the people who have been important in her life.
    To skip ahead to the interview go to timestamp: 12:50
    The Girls Who Went Away by Ann Fessler
    September 7th in Kansas City, Missouri
    Eventbrite: LIVE RECORDED PODCAST with Adoption: The Making of Me (ATMOM) & A PHOTO JOURNEY with Jeff Forney of The Innocent People Project
    You have a limited offer you can use now, that gets you up to 48% off
    your first subscription or 20% off one-time purchases with code
    VIPMAKINGOFME20
    at checkout - You can claim it at: https://magicmind.com/vipmakingofme
    RESOURCES for Adoptees
    S12F Helping Adoptees
    Gregory Luce and Adoptees Rights Law
    Joe Soll & other adoptee resources
    Fireside Adoptees Facebook Group
    Reckoning with the Primal Wound Documentary
    Dr. Liz Debetta: Migrating Toward Wholeness Movement
    Hiraeth Hope & Healing
    Moses Farrow
    National Suicide Prevention Lifeline – 1-800-273-8255 OR Dial or Text 988.

    Thank you to our Patreons! Join at the $10 level and be part of our monthly Zoom /ADOPTEE CAFE community. Our next Zoom is on 9/14 at 1 pm ET.

    Support the show

    To support the show - Patreon.


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


    Aje: Finding Her Voice and Facing Hard Truths Aug 13, 2024
    Show notes

    Adopted at birth, Ajé loved sharing her adoption story throughout her childhood. She always had a feeling that she had been wanted by her birth parents, and was a tad obsessed with discovering where, and who, she came from. Around age 9, good, old-fashioned snooping led her to a document with clues about her birth parents and the person she would have been if they had kept her. She had no way of knowing that document would later lead to an unexpected, serendipitous, [absolutely impossible] reunion, just in time for her 18th birthday.

    A survivor of abuse in childhood and adolescence, Ajé has always had a strong conviction that anguish is not meant to be carried alone, and the events that draw us into darkness and despair are the stories that need the most light. She loves conversations about uncomfortable truths and the power that comes from finding one’s voice.

    Ajé is a lifelong craftaholic with a squirrel’s attention span and spends a lot of her time making art fueled by sporadic bursts of dopamine, lots of hot glue, and just the right amount of glitter. Her long-term goal is to make her home a multi-media shadow box inspired by her favorite characters & quotes from books, music, and film, one random idea at a time.

    She lives in Portland, Oregon, with her husband, way too many craft supplies, and her tortoiseshell cat (who is the bestest cat ever).
    To skip ahead to the interview go to timestamp: 12:55
    The Girls Who Went Away by Ann Fessler
    September 7th in Kansas City, Missouri
    Eventbrite: LIVE RECORDED PODCAST with Adoption: The Making of Me (ATMOM) & A PHOTO JOURNEY with Jeff Forney of The Innocent People Project
    You have a limited offer you can use now, that gets you up to 48% off
    your first subscription or 20% off one-time purchases with code
    VIPMAKINGOFME20
    at checkout - You can claim it at: https://magicmind.com/vipmakingofme
    RESOURCES for Adoptees
    S12F Helping Adoptees
    Gregory Luce and Adoptees Rights Law
    Joe Soll & other adoptee resources
    Fireside Adoptees Facebook Group
    Reckoning with the Primal Wound Documentary
    Dr. Liz Debetta: Migrating Toward Wholeness Movement
    Hiraeth Hope & Healing
    Moses Farrow
    National Suicide Prevention Lifeline – 1-800-273-8255 OR Dial or Text 988.

    Thank you to our Patreons! Join at the $10 level and be part of our monthly Zoom /ADOPTEE CAFE community. Our next Zoom is on 9/14 at 1 pm ET.


    Support the show

    To support the show - Patreon.


    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


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