Making Maverick Moves

From Broadway to Bold Communication with Renée Marino Oct 06, 2025

In this episode of Making Maverick Moves, Gina L. Osborn sits down with Renée Marino, a former Broadway actress turned communication expert, to explore what it really takes to connect in today’s digital world.

From commanding the Broadway stage in Jersey Boys to coaching leaders and entrepreneurs, Renée shares her journey of discovering that the most powerful form of communication isn’t about performance—it’s about presence. Together, Gina and Renée dive into the power of authenticity, vulnerability, and listening as essential tools for leadership and trust.

Renée reminds us that human connection is irreplaceable, that self-communication is where it all begins, and that the voice inside us can be our greatest guide—if we choose to listen.

💬 In This Episode

Why authentic connection matters more than ever in a digital age
How self-communication shapes the way we lead and relate to others
The role of vulnerability in building trust and influence
Why technology should amplify—not replace—real connection
How leaders can foster cultures of communication and trust
The secret to truly listening and being heard

🔑 Maverick Takeaway

Authentic communication begins within. When you lead with vulnerability and listen with intention, you create the kind of connection that inspires action—and that’s what makes a Maverick Move.

👤 About Renée Marino

Renée Marino is a former Broadway actress, communication coach, and the author of Becoming a Master Communicator. Named one of Yahoo Finance’s “Top Communication Coaches to Follow,” she helps people bridge the gap between digital and human connection to lead with authenticity and confidence.

🔗 Connect with Renée

Website: reneemarino.com Instagram: @iamreneemarino LinkedIn: Renée Marino

🎙️ About Gina L. Osborn

Gina L. Osborn is a retired FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge, former Chief of Security for LA Metro, and U.S. Army Counterintelligence veteran. During her FBI career, she led investigations into cybercrime, terrorism, and organized crime—including overseeing the response to the Sony Pictures hack.

Today, Gina is a keynote speaker, leadership consultant, and host of Making Maverick Moves, where she shares stories of courage, transformation, and the maverick mindset it takes to lead through change.

Learn more at www.ginalosborn.com

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Making Maverick Moves is hosted by Gina L. Osborn and produced by Sunny Side Up Marketing. Theme music: Epic Trailer and Violin Life (Descript Stock Media). © 2025 Gina L. Osborn & Associates. Listen & Subscribe: YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify — and leave a review to help more mavericks find the show!

Blueprints for Change: How Kabri Lehrman-Schmid Builds Trust on Billion-Dollar Projects Sep 29, 2025

In this episode of Making Maverick Moves, I sit down with Kabri Lehrman-Schmid, a superintendent who has led more than $1.9 billion in construction projects. In an industry built on grit and contracts, Kabri is proving that curiosity, authenticity, and compassion are the real blueprints for change.

We talk about:

The challenges of being a woman in a male-dominated field
How to turn pressure into power
Why empowering overlooked voices transforms entire cultures
Bringing mental health to the forefront of construction

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Beyond the Crystal Ball: Leading like a Futurist with Katie Rucker Sep 22, 2025

What if the most Maverick move isn’t predicting what’s next—but imagining what could be and daring to make it real? In this episode, Gina talks with Katie Rucker of MacKenzie Corporation about leading like a futurist: flipping scarcity into possibility, loosening rigidity, and giving your team agency to co-create the future. From the “cone of possibility” to curiosity challenges and implication wheels, Katie shows how to slow down, widen your options, and move from reactive to proactive leadership.

In This Episode

Futures, not forecasts: Why there’s no crystal ball—and why “futures” is plural
From reactive to responsive: The leadership power of the pause
Cone of possibility: Hold a preferred future while staying adaptive to change
Co-creation & culture: Building resilient, connected teams with agency
Curiosity as fuel: Practical prompts to challenge assumptions and expand options
Legacy & joy: Choosing your ladder, crafting your story, and finding presence
Slow is bold: Why slowness might be the bravest move in a speed-obsessed world
Everest Base Camp lesson: Simplicity, nature, and reconnecting to what matters

Maverick Moves to Try

30-Second Pause: Before you respond, breathe. Ask, “What else could be true?”
Curiosity Challenge (1 week): Talk to one person outside your bubble each day. Ask how they got where they are—and listen for dots to collect.
Flip the Script: When an idea resonates, ask: “What if the opposite were true? What would that change?”
Cone of Possibility Exercise: Sketch your preferred future and two alternative scenarios you don’t want. Note how you’d adapt in each.
Implication Wheel (5 min): If we do X, what are the 1st/2nd-order positive and negative effects in 6–24 months?

Standout Quotes

“The future isn’t predicted—it’s co-created.”
“You can’t connect the dots until you collect the dots.”
“The arrow has to go back before it can move forward.”
“Slow might be the boldest move we can make right now.”

Who Should Listen

Leaders, founders, and changemakers who feel stuck in status quo cycles—and anyone ready to trade reactivity for imagination, agency, and momentum.

Connect

Guest: Katie Rucker, Mackenzie Corp
Host: Gina L. Osborn — Army veteran, retired FBI ASAC, former Chief Safety & Security Officer at LA Metro

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Rising to the Top: Navigating Male-Dominated Fields Sep 15, 2025

What does it take to lead with impact in spaces where women are still the minority?

In this episode of Making Maverick Moves, Gina L. Osborn shares her insights from the Global Women in Tech Conference and her own journey through the U.S. Army, the FBI, and LA Metro. From breaking down self-imposed barriers to commanding a room with confidence, Gina unpacks the lessons she’s learned about thriving in male-dominated fields, and how you can apply them too.

Through her Maverick Moves framework, Gina offers practical tools and inspiring stories to help you:

Command the Scene – show up authentically and own your presence
Rewire the Code – shift limiting beliefs and rewrite your narrative
Be Ready to Roll – prepare yourself to lead boldly, even in the toughest situations

If you’ve ever wondered how to rise, lead, and thrive when the odds feel stacked against you, this episode will give you both the motivation and the roadmap.

🎧 Tune in for real-world strategies, empowering takeaways, and the reminder that the boldest move you can make is to lead as yourself.

Timestamps: 00:00 – Introduction to Maverick Moves 00:55 – Gina's Career Journey 01:43 – Challenges in Male-Dominated Fields 02:41 – Overcoming Internal Barriers 03:24 – The Cyber Leadership Story 09:01 – Maverick Moves for Success 09:15 – Command the Scene 11:09 – Rewire the Code 12:35 – Be Ready to Roll 14:27 – Conclusion and Call to Action

About the Host — Gina L. Osborn

Gina L. Osborn is a retired FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge, U.S. Army counterintelligence veteran, former Chief Safety & Security Officer for LA Metro, keynote speaker, and host of Making Maverick Moves. She helps leaders navigate chaos, crisis, and change with courage and clarity.

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Don’t Quit Before the Magic Happens | UC Irvine Dean Kristine Collins on Leading with Grit & Resilience Sep 08, 2025

What does it take to become the youngest—and first female—dean at a major university? Kristine Collins, Dean of Continuing Education at UC Irvine (UCI), joins Gina L. Osborn to talk servant leadership, building aligned teams, practicing for hard conversations, performance management, bouncing back from setbacks, and why you should never quit before the magic happens. They discuss Kristine's journey to becoming the youngest and first female dean at a major university, emphasizing the importance of vision, practice, and resilience in leadership. Kristine reflects on her sports background and its impact on her leadership style, the importance of team alignment, and dealing with setbacks. The conversation also highlights the challenges of being a female leader, balancing work and personal life, and the significance of self-awareness and adaptability. Join Gina and Kristine for an inspiring discussion on what it takes to achieve greatness in both professional and personal spheres. 00:00 Introduction to Dean Kristine Collins 00:47 Gina L. Osborn's Background 01:27 Leadership Lessons from Sports 03:06 The Importance of Practice 05:18 Building and Leading Effective Teams 10:05 Navigating Challenges and Change 13:55 Vision and Perseverance 20:14 Dealing with Setbacks 26:45 Recognizing When It's Time to Pivot 28:02 Trusting Your Gut and Intuition 28:57 Balancing Work and Personal Life 29:40 Supportive Relationships and Their Impact 32:49 Lightning Round: Fun and Trivia 34:55 Self-Awareness and Leadership 41:05 Embracing Authentic Leadership 47:22 Concluding Thoughts and Gratitude Key Takeaways

Practice is a leadership skill. Prep for meetings and crucial conversations the way athletes prep for games.
Alignment beats “forced fun.” High-trust teams flow on clarity, feedback, and shared goals—not gimmicky offsites.
Leaders manage performance. Diagnose problems early; avoidance costs culture and results.
Don’t tap out early. Setbacks aren’t the ending—often they’re the setup.
Vision needs repetition. Write it down, say it often, and hold steady through noise.
Remote is different. Create new rituals to keep a pulse on your people.
Self-awareness matters. Know your blind spots (precision vs. big picture), mood, and impact.
Work–life alignment > balance. Sports, family, and community fuel better leadership.

Standout Moments

Growing up in a sports-centric family shaped Kristine’s mindset: process, effort, and growth every day.
Why “practice is everything”—and how leaders can script outcomes and language for tough talks.
The feeling of an “invincible” team: trust, easy feedback, and simple, shared goals.
Performance management as a duty: empathy first, clarity always, and decisive action when needed.
Leading change inside a large bureaucracy with business-speed decisions.
Setback story: losing a coveted role by email on Father’s Day → startup leap → recruited to UCI.
“Don’t quit before the magic happens”—Naked & Afraid metaphor and betting on yourself.
Work–life alignment: sport, book club, and a supportive partner create capacity to lead.
Authentic leadership for women: likability vs. leadership, scrutiny, and owning your style.
Tall-woman leadership: presence can be strength without intimidation.

Notable Quotes

“Practice is everything—in sports and at work.” — Kristine
“Alignment is gold. High-trust teams make feedback easy and progress inevitable.” — Kristine
“Avoiding performance conversations creates bigger problems.” — Kristine
“Don’t quit before the magic happens.” — Gina
“Vision needs to be written, repeated, and protected.” — Kristine

About the Guest - Kristine Collins

Kristine Collins is the Dean of Continuing Education at UC Irvine, the youngest and first woman to hold the role. A former athlete and systems thinker, she blends servant leadership with business-speed execution. Recruited from Canada, Kristine’s path includes university leadership and a stint in the private sector at a VR startup.

About the Host — Gina L. Osborn

Gina L. Osborn is a retired FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge, U.S. Army counterintelligence veteran, former Chief Safety & Security Officer for LA Metro, keynote speaker, and host of Making Maverick Moves. She helps leaders navigate chaos, crisis, and change with courage and clarity.

Resources & Mentions

Allen Iverson “Practice” press conference - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byR3Nda7azA
Naked & Afraid: Last One Standing - https://www.discovery.com/shows/naked-and-afraid-last-one-standing
UCI Division of Continuing Education - https://ce.uci.edu/

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Saying Yes Changed Her Life | Rosslyn Cooper’s Leadership Story Sep 01, 2025

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What happens when you leave everything behind—your home, your career, your comfort zone—for the unknown? Rosslyn Cooper did just that, moving from Australia to the U.S., taking a 42% pay cut, and stepping into tech leadership with no tech background. In this episode of Making Maverick Moves with Gina L. Osborne, Rosslyn shares her fearless mantra—say yes before you think you’re ready—and how it transformed her career and life. From navigating imposter syndrome and leading global digital transformation to embracing authenticity and mentoring future leaders, Rosslyn’s journey is a masterclass in courage, adaptability, and heart-led leadership. Whether you’re looking to make your own bold move, lead authentically, or simply get inspired by a story of grit and growth, this conversation will challenge you to step through the door—even when you don’t feel ready.

Timestamps:

00:00 – Rosslyn’s bold leap: moving from Australia, pay cut, and no tech background

02:05 – Saying yes before you’re ready: from executive assistant to lifelong mantra

03:36 – The “upper limit problem” and overcoming self-imposed boundaries

05:16 – Facing doubts, embracing resilience, and lessons from her South African upbringing

08:13 – Rising to global leadership without a tech background

11:41 – Heart-led leadership: people first, balance, and authenticity

15:54 – Mentorship, empowering others, and building legacy

20:04 – Problem-solving as a leadership superpower

24:30 – Communicating complex systems simply and driving global buy-in

30:28 – The art of pivoting: turning setbacks into opportunities

35:10 – Lightning round: breaking leadership rules, empathy, and emotional control

40:14 – Rosslyn’s proudest Maverick Move & final message: Say yes now, get ready later

Betting on Herself, Building Clear Path Solutions, and Redefining Leadership | Helen Lao Aug 26, 2025

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Helen Lao, a first-generation American, left a secure HR career to build Clear Path Solutions, one of the top executive search firms in the U.S. In this conversation, she shares her journey from selling tires to leading a national team, her philosophy of relationships over transactions, and the bold risks that shaped her success.

Timestamps:

00:01 – Betting on herself: founding Clear Path Solutions

01:31 – Growing up first-generation, language barriers & resilience

02:49 – Expectations, being the “black sheep,” and work ethic

04:22 – Selling tires as the only woman in the room—becoming top salesperson

05:10 – Transition to recruiting and early HR career

06:39 – Quitting a stable HR role (with 4 kids) to start a firm from scratch

09:30 – Early struggles: $700 split payroll and hand-written checks

10:39 – Matchmaking philosophy: cultural fit over job titles

14:47 – Leadership traits of top CEOs & listening as a superpower

24:58 – Saying “no” to clients: living from abundance, not scarcity

38:17 – Boldest move: walking away from stability into entrepreneurship

45:20 – Advice to women leaders: unlearn silence, speak boldly

Suzy Crawford’s Blueprint for Building a Bold Personal Brand | From Google Exec to Maverick CEO Aug 11, 2025

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In this episode of Making Maverick Moves, Suzy Crawford shares how she walked away from an 8-year career at Google to launch Crawford Marketing, build a thriving coaching program, and teach entrepreneurs the real power of personal branding. From cleaning up your online image to gaining audience trust in the AI era, Suzy offers raw, actionable advice for anyone ready to make their own maverick move.

Timestamps:

00:00 – Meet Suzy Crawford: From Google to marketing agency founder

01:42 – Why your personal brand is your “digital currency” in 2025

03:03 – The dark side of branding: when past social posts come back to haunt you

04:17 – Audience-first content: posting what they want, not what you want

05:21 – Trust in the AI era: how real engagement builds loyalty

10:32 – The corporate shakeup that pushed Suzy to finally leave Google

12:14 – Landing a $100M case study from a cold email

13:17 – Inside Suzy's Freelancer to CEO program

15:12 – Thought leadership through originality and vulnerability

23:29 – Why marketers must embrace AI to stay ahead

From Rock Bottom to Leader of Thousands | Eric Goodman’s Wild Journey Aug 04, 2025

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What if your greatest pain became your purpose?

Eric Goodman, 2024 Orange County Philanthropist of the Year, shares his unbelievable journey from being immobilized in a full-body cast at age 15 to becoming the CEO of a company serving 3,500 people with disabilities every month. In this powerful conversation, Eric opens up about overcoming severe spinal issues, launching multiple companies, battling depression and dyslexia, and how his mindset and faith shaped it all. This episode is a masterclass in authentic leadership, resilience, and the power of service. If you’re feeling stuck, Eric’s motto says it all: “Serve.”

Timestamps:

00:00 – Intro: From challenge to calling

01:42 – The surgery that changed everything

03:21 – Developing empathy through pain

04:41 – Turning disability into purpose

05:07 – How Eric scaled Mountain View Services

07:23 – Writing What’s Your Mindset?

11:52 – Choosing positivity daily

15:59 – The weight of leadership and workplace culture

18:56 – A cousin’s suicide and the impact of toxic leadership

31:50 – Giving back through business resources, not just checks

33:18 – Launching a mental health initiative for CEOs

36:53 – Leadership lessons & setting boundaries

40:02 – A powerful tribute to his parents

44:02 – Advice to parents and kids dealing with disabilities

45:38 – Final mindset advice: Use your difference as your superpower

46:23 – Outro

How a Social Worker Became the Go-To Coach for Top Executives | Winnie Da Silva Jul 28, 2025

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In this episode of Making Maverick Moves, host Gina Osborne sits down with Winnie Da Silva, who shares her transformative journey—from creating an alter ego and using neuroscientific visualization techniques to challenging internal stories and embracing uncertainty. You don’t need permission to lead like a boss. You just need courage, creativity, and the willingness to start—even before you're ready.

Timestamps:

00:00 — Introduction: rewriting the rules and making bold maverick moves

01:43 — Transitioning from social work to corporate consulting at Arthur Andersen

03:55 — Applying social work insights to executive leadership and stakeholder ecosystems

09:42 — Building confidence using an alter ego (“Winnie the Consultant”) and visualization

11:51 — Differentiating imposter syndrome from unfamiliarity in new roles

15:34 — Identifying and reframing limiting stories about yourself, others, and culture

31:34 — Implementing feedback systems (check-ins, peer exchange, 360 reviews) to surface blind spots

41:58 — When strengths become blind spots: why leaders must evolve their style

49:25 — Building leadership through authentic relationships and empowering others

51:00 — How to make a maverick move: planting seeds, flexing courage, and accepting learning through failure

1:03:42 — Insights from immigrant entrepreneurs: adaptation, resilience, and identity

1:06:16 — What distinguishes a great leader from a poor one: self-awareness, emotional intelligence, and authenticity

From Star Wars Defense to Surf Tacos | Wing Lam’s Maverick Journey with Wahoo’s Fish Tacos Jul 21, 2025

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What happens when you leave a high-tech aerospace career working on the Star Wars defense program to open a taco joint for surfers? Wing Lam, co-founder of Wahoo’s Fish Tacos, shares his inspiring journey of taking risks, embracing authenticity, and building one of California’s most iconic lifestyle brands.

In this episode of Making Maverick Moves, Wing reveals how he turned a simple idea into a cultural movement by aligning with the surf and skate community, empowering his team, and leading with purpose. He also discusses lessons in leadership, resilience during COVID-19, and why creativity and community will always win in business.

Timestamps:

00:00 – Meet Wing Lam: From aerospace to tacos

01:34 – Fitting in vs. standing out: the power of authenticity

04:48 – Why Wing quit aerospace after a single conversation

06:41 – How surfing inspired the birth of Wahoo’s Fish Tacos

08:23 – Partnering with Billabong & the surf community

11:10 – Business relationships: loyalty, transparency & trust

14:10 – Building a team culture of respect and legacy

15:31 – Sponsoring surf events & athletes: authentic marketing

21:49 – Wing’s leadership style: empowering people to own their work

24:19 – California Love Drop: pivoting to philanthropy during COVID-19

31:40 – Why creativity & community matter more than ever in the age of AI

38:00 – Authenticity, healthy food, and creating a lifestyle brand

42:10 – Wing’s inspiration today & leaving a legacy of impact

Plastic Surgeon Behind Tamra Judge’s Viral Makeover Explains the Truth About Beauty, Aging & Surgery Jul 14, 2025

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Dr. Mowlds, the viral plastic surgeon behind Real Housewives star Tamra Judge’s transformation, joins Making Maverick Moves to reveal what really happened, the truth about plastic surgery, and how to age gracefully—without losing yourself. Whether you're considering cosmetic work or just curious about how to look your best as you age, this episode is full of eye-opening insights, powerful advice, and real talk about confidence, self-image, and the future of aesthetics.

Timestamps:

00:00 – Intro: Meet Dr. Mowlds, the man behind Tamra Judge’s transformation

01:28 – What is a blue peel and brow lift? (Explaining the viral procedure)

03:48 – Why the healing looks worse than it feels

06:27 – Aging in the social media era: Skincare vs surgery

07:52 – Is preventative Botox really worth it?

11:08 – The danger of tying surgery to happiness

16:54 – The truth about Brazilian Butt Lifts (BBL risks explained)

18:31 – Facelifts & gravity: What to expect long-term

22:07 – What to do in your 20s, 30s, and 40s to delay aging

23:16 – “I might not be your person”: Why Dr. Mowlds turns some patients away

26:26 – Longevity = Mobility + Strength (More than just looks)

28:28 – Plastic surgery is more than vanity: Life-saving & restorative care

30:04 – Kris Jenner’s results? Genetics + a great surgeon

31:05 – Final message: “Confidence starts within. I can’t do that for you.”

From Bullying to Boxing Gloves, How My Son Fought Back | Making Maverick Moves #17 Jul 07, 2025

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Special thanks to Amanda Selogie at Inclusive Education Project, Aldair Perez at Storm mma, and Michelle McDuffie at The Johnson Academy for their support.

When Tamme Smith’s son, Thomas, was bullied, excluded, and physically attacked in middle school, she refused to stay silent. Instead, she wrote a bold, emotional letter to the parents of the bullies—and posted it online. That letter went viral.

In this powerful episode of Making Maverick Moves, Tamme shares her family's journey through pain, advocacy, and healing. From a school system that failed her son to the unexpected hero—a boxing coach named Aldair—who helped Thomas regain his confidence, this story will inspire every parent, educator, and student who’s ever felt alone.

Timestamps:

00:00 – The letter that exposed the truth

01:50 – “I couldn’t get him to go to school”

04:36 – Excluded by his own friends

06:55 – School hears the reports—but does nothing

09:01 – Thomas’ neurodiversity: dyslexia and more

11:17 – A boxing coach offers Thomas his power back

17:58 – Beaten in the bathroom: the final straw

21:09 – Testing reveals academic failure

24:47 – Tamme’s viral open letter to the bullies’ parents

29:03 – Her message to parents everywhere

31:21 – Thomas’ bond with his mentor, Aldair

Inside the Mind of Serial Killers | FBI Jana Monroe’s Chilling Stories Jun 30, 2025

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In this gripping episode, trailblazing FBI profiler Jana Monroe shares her experiences from the elite Behavioral Science Unit. From interviewing serial killers to solving one of Florida’s most notorious murder cases, Jana opens up about what it takes to face pure evil — and how she stayed strong as one of the first women in this male-dominated field. Hosted by Gina L. Osborn, this conversation dives deep into the psychology of killers, leadership under pressure, and rare behind-the-scenes moments like working on Silence of the Lambs.

🔥 Don’t miss this powerful inside look at true crime, leadership, and the dark side of human behavior.

Timestamps:

00:01 – Jana Monroe’s groundbreaking career in the FBI

01:59 – Challenges of being a woman in the Behavioral Science Unit

04:47 – John Douglas' intense interview test

08:53 – The chilling Oba Chandler triple murder case

14:57 – How FBI agents interview serial killers

20:26 – Are serial killers born or made?

22:46 – The role of AI in the future of law enforcement

25:31 – Leadership lessons from law enforcement to corporate

26:40 – Consulting Jodie Foster for Silence of the Lambs

27:49 – Hanging up on the FBI Director during a live shootout

35:17 – Powerful leadership advice: say yes, take risks, learn from failure

Don’t Just Check Every Box. How to Break the Mold Instead. | Making Maverick Moves #15 Jun 17, 2025

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Real stories, practical leadership tips, and a wake-up call to unleash your maverick mindset.

Timestamps

00:00 – Meet Gina: Army vet, FBI agent, and fearless leader

00:39 – Why men apply before they’re ready—and women often don’t

01:19 – Credentials aren’t everything—vision is

02:03 – Your differences aren’t weaknesses—they’re your edge

02:47 – Turn “gaps” into growth: how to frame your story

03:24 – Build your leadership narrative, not just a resume

04:45 – Speak up, ask bold questions, and challenge the status quo

06:07 – Build a support squad and lift others as you lead

06:45 – Create a space where innovation and risks thrive

08:06 – Stop checking boxes—lead with courage and authenticity

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Trading Comfort for Authenticity with Julie Farbaniec Jun 09, 2025

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From corporate HR to launching her own leadership company, Julie opens up about authenticity, courage, and building trust.

Timestamps:

00:00 - Intro: Julie Farbaniec’s leadership journey

01:43 - Why “just because you think it, doesn’t make it true”

03:27 - The damage of unvalidated assumptions in leadership

06:00 - What is a strategic pause? (Viktor Frankl’s quote explained)

08:19 - How a strategic pause builds more leadership choices

11:20 - Always Be Validating (ABV): A leader’s mindset shift

13:21 - Embracing spectral thinking: multiple truths can exist

16:26 - Julie’s inner critic "Gretchen" and Positive Intelligence

21:43 - Gina’s TEDx story: overcoming public speaking fear

23:05 - Why courage matters more than comfort in leadership

26:16 - Building courage through small acts and micro-wins

27:13 - Julie’s Maverick Move: leaving Blizzard to start her own business

31:05 - Redefining identity: “I used to be… but now I am…”

33:45 - Lessons learned: worthiness and micro-wins

36:12 - How to amplify self-awareness as a leader

38:32 - Identity shifts after leaving law enforcement (Gina’s reflection)

41:12 - Why Girl Scouts’ mission matters for young women

45:41 - Closing poem: A Poem for a New Beginning by John O'Donohue

47:52 - Outro & call to action

Raise the Roof: How One Businessman Built a Legacy of Good Jun 02, 2025

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Charles Antis, founder of Antis Roofing, shares the emotional journey of how a single act of generosity reshaped his life, business, and industry. From giving away his first roof to leading national philanthropic initiatives, Charles proves that fearless giving can build both legacy and impact. This inspiring conversation is packed with powerful moments on leadership, vulnerability, and turning business into a force for good.

Timestamps:

00:00 – Introduction to Charles Antis & his purpose-driven mission

01:35 – The emotional story of giving away his first roof

06:00 – How that one act shaped company culture and values

07:47 – Why storytelling matters in leadership and branding

13:56 – “Stop telling our story—tell yours”: a mindset shift

27:55 – How Ronald McDonald House helped his family & sparked a national initiative

34:44 – Vulnerability, authenticity, and leadership redefined

39:06 – Airplane story: a metaphor for stepping up when it matters

44:40 – Charles on wealth, hoarding, and giving generously

48:19 – Upcoming book: Fearless Giving and inspiring global impact

Heather Brown, Trial Lawyer & Advocate for Justice May 26, 2025

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Heather Brown's journey from surviving childhood abuse to becoming a fierce advocate and trial lawyer is one of the most powerful stories of resilience and purpose you'll ever hear. In this episode of Making Maverick Moves, Heather shares how her trauma became her motivation to prosecute child predators, change institutional policies, and support survivors through both criminal and civil law.

If you or someone you know has ever faced adversity, this episode is a must-watch. Heather’s story is not just one of survival—it’s a roadmap to justice, empowerment, and change.

Purpose, Reinvented: Leading with Heart, Healing with Work | Bonnie Pomish, CEO of Working Wardrobes May 20, 2025

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A powerful conversation on second chances, purpose, and building dignity through workforce reentry. What does it take to follow in the footsteps of a legendary founder — and make the mission your own? In this inspiring episode, Bonnie Pomish, CEO of Working Wardrobes, shares her bold journey of stepping into leadership with authenticity, compassion, and courage. From empowering veterans and formerly incarcerated individuals to redefining perfectionism and building a values-driven team, Bonnie reveals what it truly means to lead with heart. If you've ever struggled with self-doubt, leadership identity, or finding your purpose — this conversation is for you.

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Timestamps:

00:00 – Intro: Who is Bonnie Pomish?

02:02 – The mission of Working Wardrobes

04:15 – Serving veterans and translating military skills

06:22 – Parallels between reentry from military & incarceration

07:24 – Succeeding founder Jerry Rosen & "wearing your own shoes"

12:04 – Leading with vulnerability and strengths-based leadership

20:55 – Being a recovering perfectionist & embracing 1% growth

23:06 – Learning through failure and trusting team members

34:16 – What a vulnerable workplace culture looks like

37:54 – Advice for future leaders: be a good human

43:04 – Ways to support Working Wardrobes (time, talent, treasure)

47:25 – Bonnie’s biggest maverick move: moving to CA with no plan

From FBI to Fearless | Gina L. Osborn's Story May 12, 2025

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Picture the resolve it takes to track Soviet spies across Cold‑War Europe, then rise through the ranks of one of the world’s premier law‑enforcement agency—only to step onto a TEDx stage and turn those lessons into a talk that moves strangers to act. That constellation of careers belongs to Gina L. Osborn. Gina’s sister, Lisa Osborn, guides today’s conversation. For three decades Gina has served country and community, proving that duty and daring are not mutually exclusive. In this episode you’ll hear Gina’s most gripping field stories and, more importantly, the frameworks she uses to turn adversity into advantage—tools you can apply to elevate your own life and career. If you’ve ever been told to stay in your lane and felt the instinct to build a brand‑new highway instead, this conversation is for you.

00:00 – From Cold War to TEDx: Meet Gina L. Osborn

03:48 – Her first Maverick Move at 16

06:39 – A stranger in the library changed her life forever

09:55 – Getting into the FBI during a hiring freeze

14:07 – Her first big case: crashing an organized crime ring

18:49 – Life at FBI HQ & inspecting field offices

22:56 – Inside the Sony hack investigation (North Korea)

30:55 – The real story behind LA Metro's safety crisis

36:56 – Fired for telling the truth—what happened next

39:37 – Fighting for Metro’s own police force

42:58 – Rebuilding after the fallout: TEDx, podcast & purpose

51:29 – How to make your own Maverick Move

Build Your Port Before Your Ship Comes In Mar 31, 2025

In this Power Moves and Leadership Lessons episode, we're talking about a lesson that separates the Mavericks from the Masses: It doesn't matter if your ship comes in if your port isn't built to dock it. You've heard the saying, "You're ship will come in." That sounds great, right? But here's the real question: When that ship arrives, will you be ready? Opportunities don't wait for you to get ready. It shows up, and if you don't have the foundation, the skills, and the mindset in place beforehand, that ship will sail right past you. So today, we're breaking down why preparation is everything, how your port protects you in the storms of life, and I'll give you three powerful ways to build your port NOW so you're ready when your moment arrives.

The Maverick's Guide to Courage with Sandra Ford Walston Mar 24, 2025

Courage isn't just about jumping out of planes or standing before a roaring crowd. It's the quiet, relentless force behind every bold decision, every career pivot, and every moment you refuse to settle for less. It also keeps so many people stuck, afraid to take the next step. Today, we're breaking down courage - what it really is, how to strengthen it, and why it's the key to making your Maverick Move.

What is a Maverick Move? How to Make Small Shifts to Maximize Your Impact Mar 17, 2025

What is a Maverick Move? We talk a lot about Maverick Moves on this show, but Gina wanted to spend some time unpacking what that looks like and why it's essential for building the life and career we genuinely desire. It's not about making impulsive, rash decisions. It's about being intentional, making choices that are aligned with our authentic selves, and carving our own paths, even when the world is pushing us in another direction. In this Power Moves and Leadership Lessons episode, Gina says a Maverick Move doesn't always look like one giant leap. It's often a series of small, powerful steps.

The Art of Thinking Big and Playing Bigger with Kimberly Roush Mar 10, 2025

Welcome to Making Maverick Moves, the podcast where we dive into bold, unconventional actions that break the mold and redefine success. Today, we are tackling a game-changing question: Who are you... When you are big. My guess today is the incredible Kimberly Roush of All-Star Executive Coaching. She's an executive coach, speaker, and author of Who Are You... When You Were Big. Kymberlee has coached top executives, entrepreneurs, and high achievers to break through limitations, step into their potential, and lead with confidence. But, here’s the twist... her big philosophy isn’t just about success; it’s about becoming the boldest, most fearless version of yourself. So, if you’ve ever felt like you’re playing small, holding back, or waiting for permission to take that big, maverick leap, this episode is for you. Kymberlee is here to help you break through that barrier, make bold intentions, and grow into the person who makes waves, takes risks, and owns their maverick move. Are you ready? Let’s dive in!

Mean Girls Don't Make Leaders Mar 03, 2025

In this Power Moves and Leadership Lessons episode of Making Maverick Moves, we tackle a harsh reality - "Mean Girls" don't make leaders. In the boardroom, the breakroom, or behind closed doors, toxic behavior undermines trust, stifles innovation, and holds everyone back. Real leadership isn't about tearing others down; it's about lifting them up. Join Gina as she breaks down the difference between power and influence, explores why true leaders reject the mean-girl mentality, and shares strategies for fostering a culture of collaboration, courage, and respect. If you've ever dealt with a mean girl in the workplace, this episode is for you.

Shaping Tomorrow's Female Mavericks with Vikki Shepp, CEO Girl Scouts of Orange County Feb 24, 2025

Welcome to Making Maverick Moves, where we dive into the bold decisions and fearless actions of those who refuse to accept the status quo. Today’s guest, Vikki Shepp, is the embodiment of a true maverick leader. As the CEO of Girl Scouts of Orange County, Vikki has spent over a decade shaping the future of youth leadership and championing opportunities for girls to thrive.

But what sets Vikki apart is her willingness to take bold risks for the greater good. In the middle of a global pandemic, when many were focused solely on survival, she went to her board of directors with a radical idea - creating Girl Scout troops for underserved populations, including new troops at homeless shelters. She saw a need, took action, and turned what seemed impossible into a reality. In this episode, Vikki walks us through her process for preparing and executing Maverick Moves, sharing the mindset and strategies that have fueled her success. This is a rare opportunity to hear from someone who doesn’t just talk about change; she makes it happen.

How Crisis and Change Led to Making Maverick Moves at LA Metro Feb 24, 2025

In this powerful episode of Making Maverick Moves, host Gina L. Osborn steps into the spotlight to share one of the boldest decisions of her career - taking a stand at LA Metro, a move that ultimately led to her unceremonious termination. With unflinching honesty, Gina walks us through the moment she chose to fight for what was right, knowing full well the risks involved. She dives deep into the importance of choosing your battles wisely, understanding the consequences, and standing firm when it matters most. Her story is alarming and inspirational, a testament to the courage it takes to be a true Maverick leader. Tune in for an unforgettable conversation about integrity, resilience, and the price of making fearless moves.

From Being First to Being Fierce with Kristin Crowley, LA City Fire Chief Feb 24, 2025

Welcome to Making Maverick Moves, the podcast where we explore the bold decisions and unorthodox paths taken by extraordinary individuals. This episode is both timely and sobering. Before the devastating wildfires swept through Los Angeles in January 2025, Gina L. Osborn sat down with Los Angeles Fire Chief Kristin Crowley in November 2024. At the time, Chief Crowley shared a Maverick Move she was making, one rooted in the reality of operating a fire department with limited resources. She spoke candidly about the challenges of fulfilling her mission without the funding or tools her team desperately needed. Little did we know, within weeks, that her words would take on an even more profound significance. As fires ravaged communities like the Pacific Palisades, reservoirs ran dry, fire hydrants failed, and lives were forever changed. Chief Crowley faced intense criticism in the aftermath, particularly for publicly addressing her department's three years of budget cuts. Some accused her of deflecting blame; others saw her as a leader speaking hard truths in an impossible situation. Today, we revisit that December conversation, recorded before the fires, where Chief Crowley revealed her Maverick Move in the making. It's a testament to the complexities of leadership under pressure.

The Chief - Cathy Lanier Sep 22, 2021

Let's talk about INVINCIBILITY. Chief Cathy Lanier refused to be defeated or overcome by past decisions. She went from being a teenage mom with a ninth grade education to becoming the first female Chief of Police of the DC Metropolitan Police. Now the Senior Vice President of Security for the NFL, another male dominated field, Chief Lanier teaches us that hard work and the right attitude will lead us to success.

Abigail Olson - The Young Gun Chef Aug 31, 2021

Abigail Olson began her culinary career at age 15 when she was accepted into a vocational school food program. She graduated from the prestigious Culinary Institute of America by age 19. By the ripe old age of 24, she became the first female Senior Sous Chef at the Michelin Three-Star restaurant Alinea in Chicago. In this episode, Abigail talks about leading in a volatile workplace, keeping her eye on the prize and turning fear into confidence.

Brooke Smith - The Change Agent Jul 23, 2021

Brooke Smith is the President of MHX, a trucking and logistics company where 90% of her customers are men. On this episode, we talk about perceptions, building strong teams and being intentional when choosing the people with whom we surround ourselves.

Megan Ragsdale - Leading with Heart Jul 08, 2021

Megan Ragsdale is the Chief Operating Officer for the Soapy Joes Car Wash Franchise. In this episode, we discuss the importance of establishing core values that drive the mission of an organization, authentic leadership and escaping the fear of failure.

Vlada Bortnik - The Tech Genius Jun 29, 2021

Vlada Bortnik is the Co-Founder and CEO of Marco Polo, a popular video communications app that is changing the way we stay in touch. In this episode, Vlada speaks about being a woman in tech, teaching girls at an early age to embrace Science, Technology, Engineering an Math and conquering the negative voices inside so we can reach our greatest potential.

Nell Scovell - The Comedy Queen Jun 01, 2021

Nell Scovell, Writer/Director/Producer and Co-Author of Lean In with Sheryl Sanberg joins us to discuss lessons from the book and her experiences working in the male dominated world of comedy.

Liz McKinley - The Oil Tycoon Mar 03, 2021

Liz McKinley is the Founder and President of Pinnacle Petroleum, a $200 million company. She learned what it was like to be the only woman in the room when she was the first woman to be hired by Koch Industries at the commercial level back in the early 80’s. Liz started her own company in 1995 and rose to the top of the male dominated oil industry. In this episode, Liz shares her journey navigating a road filled with obstacles and emphasizes the importance of thinking outside the box, maintaining your sense of humor and the value of women supporting women.

Voviette Morgan - The Lady Fed Mar 02, 2021

FBI Special Agent in Charge Voviette Morgan is the highest ranking African American female Special Agent in the Federal Bureau of Investigation. She investigated everything from white collar crime to international terrorism. In this episode, SAC Morgan shares her journey to the top of the male dominated field of law enforcement navigating privacy, perceptions and maintaining your personal power.

Kim Shepherd - The Entrepreneur Mar 02, 2021

Kim Shepherd is a CEO, Entrepreneur, Author, Speaker and Consultant. Two decades before Covid 19 hit, Kim took her multi-million dollar company, Decision Toolbox, remote. In this episode, Kim highlights key leadership principles of leading a remote workplace and gives great advice to entrepreneurs who are trying to find their niche.

Patty Farmer - The Marketing and Media Strategist Mar 02, 2021

Patty Farmer is an Award Winning Marketing and Media Strategist, International Speaker, Radio Host, Magazine Publisher, Event Producer and Author. In this episode, Patty shares how to market yourself for success, monetize your talents, determine your worth and eliminate imposter syndrome.

Molly Jolly - The Savvy Negotiator Mar 02, 2021

Molly Jolly is the highest-ranking woman in the Angels Baseball Franchise as the Senior Vice President of Finance and Administration. She’s also the Board Chair for the Girl Scouts of Orange County. In this episode, Molly shares her journey to working in the wide world of sports. Having been involved in numerous high-stakes negotiations, Molly shares the importance of listening and being prepared. She also discusses her devotion to the Girl Scouts of Orange County.

Jerri Williams - The Second Act Whisperer Mar 02, 2021

Jerri Williams is a retired FBI Special Agent, Author, Podcast Host and Hollywood Consultant. Her podcast, FBI Retired Case File Review has nearly five million downloads. Jerri’s motto is “Don’t Retire, Rewire. She is living proof that you can accomplish your dreams in your Second Act. In this episode, Jerri shares her story of reinvention and provides tips on how we can do the same.

Susan Degrassi - The Game Changer Mar 02, 2021

Susan DeGrassi is the Vice President of Administration and Cause at Antis Roofing and Waterproofing. She is also the consummate professional. Consider this a class in Business 101. During this episode, Susan talks about the basics for becoming a great leader and the importance of reputation and professionalism. She also discusses how she raised four boys into strong men as both a working mom and a businesswoman.

Sandra Hutchens _ The Orange County Sheriff Mar 02, 2021

Sandra Hutchens was the first (and only) female Sheriff in Orange County, California. She began her journey in the male dominated field of law enforcement as a secretary at the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department. Sheriff Hutchens rose through the ranks to become the Division Chief for Homeland Security. In one of her last interviews, Sheriff Hutchens challenges you to “Dare. Get out of your comfort zone. Don’t wait for someone to tell you are ready.”

Stephanie Yonekura - The Legal Eagle Mar 02, 2021

Stephanie Yonekura is the former Acting United States Attorney for the Central District of California. She now leads the Global White Collar and Fraud Practice for Hogan Lovells. In this powerful episode, Stephanie shares her journey as an Asian American rising to the top in the male dominated field of law enforcement. She talks about the importance of raising your hand, self-promotion and being yourself.

Betty Thomas - The Entertainment Icon Mar 02, 2021

Betty Thomas is an Emmy Award Winning Actor and Director. She held her own with the likes of John Candy and Bill Murray in the Second City Improv Group. Betty directed superstars like Eddie Murphy and Howard Stern in feature films and made news shattering records as the first women to make over $200 million at the box office. In this episode, Betty shares how she made it to the top in the male dominated field of entertainment.

Brenda Robinson - The Pioneer Pilot Mar 02, 2021

Brenda Robinson is the first African American female pilot in the United States Navy and to fly with American airlines. If that’s not enough, Brenda was inducted into the International Pioneer Hall of Fame. In this episode, Brenda shares her historic journey and the secret to combatting fear. She also says that you don’t have to have confidence to achieve greatness (you just have to act like you do).

Stephynie Malik - The Problem Solver Mar 02, 2021

Stephynie Malik is an award-winning CEO and serial entrepreneur that spearheaded multi-million dollar acquisitions while working with more than 11 start-ups. She is also a business transformation and crisis specialist. If you find yourself in the middle of a catastrophe – whether in business or your personal life – Stephynie, with her cadre of business consultants and attorneys, will fix it. In this episode, Stephynie talks about problem solving, finding your cause to follow your passion, and being authentic.

Cheryl Osborn - The Construction Queen Mar 02, 2021

Cheryl Osborn is the President and Founder of Casco Contractors, a general contracting firm specializing in commercial tenant improvements. In this episode, Cheryl talks about how a $60,000 dollar mistake netted her $250,000 in business, the importance of delegation and how we need to be smart, show up, work hard and be authentic to ourselves.

Sonya Chavez - The United States Marshal Mar 02, 2021

Sonya Chavez is the United States Marshal in New Mexico and a retired FBI Supervisory Special Agent. In this episode, she emphasizes the importance of communication, surrounding yourself with a good team, and knowing your people - their strengths and weaknesses - so you can discover how they can best contribute to your mission.

Meet Your Host - Gina L. Osborn Mar 02, 2021

Lead Like a Lady with Gina L. Osborn - A Real Life Podcast features remarkable women who have risen to the top in male dominated industries. From aviation to construction, law enforcement to sports, they share their stories, inspire greatness and provide lessons learned to all the women (and men) coming up behind them. Host Gina L. Osborn is an Army Veteran and Retired FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge.

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