The Fangirl Business: A Supernatural Podcast

17.6: "The Winchesters'" Finale - The Music Story Feb 16, 2024

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Join Chrisha and Catherine for a chaotic episode where all of the things that can happen in the background at Catherine's apartment do while they try to talk all about the music in the finale of The Winchesters.
Topics range from just how exactly Dean did time- and universe-travel, to his kidnapping of the President of the United States, his introspection and shift from an active fighter to a guide, the City of Angels and the City of Love, and lots of Destiel musings.
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
Music clip credits: "Take a Stand" by Homer Greencastle; "Keep On Ramblin'" by Radio Company; "Baba O'Riley" by The Who; "LA Woman" by The Doors; "Americana" by Jay Gruska; "One of These Things First" by Nick Drake; "Watching Over Me" by Radio Company; "Ramble On" by Led Zeppelin; "That's No Way To Say Goodbye" by Leonard Cohen
Radio Company live concert credit: "Let Me Be" on Hannah Young's Youtube channel
Info about how the Ackles got "Ramble On": hermscat on Tumblr and Sharon87 on Twitter (Thanks, Tess, for the info and links! Wayward Friends, turns out Jensen went without salary for The Winchesters' finale so they could pay for the song--and a lot of work went on behind the scenes to get permission to use it!)

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17.5: "The Winchesters'" Finale - The Akrida Story Feb 03, 2024

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CONTENT WARNING: There is a discussion of suicide and suidical ideation as it pertains to the characters of Akrida Kyle & Lata from The Winchesters and Dean from Supernatural. Please be aware and kind to yourselves, Wayward Friends. The portion that discusses this content is from 3:33 to 8:48 and has been marked as a chapter so you can easily skip it.
In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine start off the episode by going over some thoughts that have come to them since they started recording about the finale again in November 2023. They then focus in on the Akrida: Joan, their history, and their purpose, and discuss what makes a compelling villain and why the best villains always think they are on the side of good.
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
Music clip credits: "Running on Empty" by Jackson Browne
Jeremy Adams' tweet re: Why Cas wasn't in "Last Holiday"
Misha Collins audio clip credit: Supernatural: The Long Road Home

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17.4: "The Winchesters'" Finale - The Jack Problem (Plus Baby, Cas, & A Bit Of Destiel) Jan 27, 2024

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In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine start the discussion with Jack and his odd behavior at the end of Supernatural and during The Winchesters' finale before moving on to talk about Baby, The Winchesters' title card and its connection to the Akrida, and the logistics behind Cas' absence. The conclude by reflecting on what was left unresolved and what was healing for them personally.
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
SPNNash 2021 audio clip credit: Gayle (thank you to @alishabless13 on Twitter for asking the question and helping us to find the audio!)
KSiteTV audio clip credit: GOTHAM KNIGHTS Misha Collins Interview
JIB 12 audio clip credit: Chuck Won on Tumblr (thank you to Veronica for letting us know about this clip!)

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17.3: "The Winchesters'" Finale - The Dean Story Jan 17, 2024

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In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss how the car scene at the end of the episode should have been, as a giant infodump, dull--and yet it was not (thanks, Ackles and Thompson!). They also discuss the clapbacks to the Supernatural finale, how dying and going through the multiverse changed Dean, the John and Dean role reversals, how the concept of reparenting applies in a very Supernatural way, and delve deep into Dean's monologue at the end of the episode.
Finally, they discuss what exactly Dean is now, and the implications that might have for any future iterations of Supernatural.
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW

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17.2: "The Winchesters'" Finale - The Monster Club Story Jan 10, 2024

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In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine catch up on what's been going on behind the scenes with each other, the writers' and actors' strikes and victories, the ongoing trash-fires at networks and streamers, and their gratitude to folks behind The Winchesters for giving fans a thoughtful and healing ending.
The main part of the episode focuses on the various members of the Monster Club:
Mary: Her similarities with the Akrida Queen's backstory and how her journey of healing led to different outcomes; her time in the portal and the impact of seeing all possible versions of herself; her decision to go with John at the end and the importance of Mary being the one to make that decision; and her journey from being trapped to living in freedom.
John: His decision to address his anger and work on healing it; his state of being completely lost after he arrived home from Vietnam, and the importance of Dean and Henry's letter; the healing that's happened in his relationship with Millie; and his transition from running towards danger to running towards hope.
Lata: Her immediate decision to put everything else aside to figure out how to help Ada; her strength/perceptiveness while under the control of Akrida Kyle; the way her attack on Joan complicates her pacifism; her importance in building community; & her journey from feeling less-than because of her pacifism to understanding her importance.
Carlos: His immediate and ongoing Dean thirst; his voyage from needing to be the front man to being part of the band; his affection for Ada and the important role he played in stopping her from jumping the gun with the crystal; and his role in saving the day by figuring out how to bring Baby back out of the world between worlds.
Millie: Her new communicative relationship with John; her continued strength, and the insight and help she brings as a mechanic to the Monster Club; and her care and concern for his relationship with Mary.
Ada: The loss and restoration of her soul; the importance of her openness about the sacrifice the crystal requires; and the way the Monster Club rallies around her, supports her, and protects her in a way that we think she isn't used to.
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW
Music clip credits: "Exile" by Taylor Swift

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17.1: Re-Released Reaction Episode - "The Winchesters'" Finale Dec 27, 2023

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Note: This is a re-release of Chrisha and Catherine's reaction episode to The Winchesters' finale, which was originally released on March 8, 2023. A full analysis of "That's No Way to Say Goodbye" will be released in January, 2024.
In this raw audio episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss their initial reactions to The Winchesters' season finale, "Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye," with particular attention to the healing work this episode and the entire season did in the wake of Supernatural's series finale, "Carry On."
A full analysis of the episode will happen at a later date, and they will continue to release episodes about the rest of the season in order!

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16.2: "The Winchesters" E12 - Red String Edition Dec 20, 2023

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In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine look into the theme of mirrors and misdirection, which is particularly prevalent in this episode but has been a running theme throughout the series. They also examine the parallels this episode has with multiple episodes of Supernatural, which all look at the temptation of peace and happiness vs. facing the difficulty of real life and its associated difficulties and traumas!
A big chunk of the episode dives into the background imagery of sideshows and includes a discussion of othering, autonomy, and what visual messaging the audience might have been given.
Further time is given to discussions of spell ingredients, Macbeth, music, and thinking forward to the finale!
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supenatural audio clip credits: The CW
JIBCon 11 audio clip credits: Aurélie Kitty at YouTube
Music clip credits: "I'd Love to Change the World" by Ten Years After; "The Viper" by Paul Lenart & Billy Novick; "Everybody Loves a Clown" by Gary Lewis and The Playboys; "The Tears of a Clown" by Smokey Robinson and The Miracles

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16.1: "The Winchesters" E12 - Witches & Clowns (And Biggest Fears) Dec 13, 2023

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In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine talk about the penultimate episode of The Winchesters, "The Tears of a Clown."
Topics include: the concern about Ada considering giving up her soul; Dean's narration about the lies we tell ourselves and what self-lies he might be confronting; Mary's addressing of issues and John's determined avoidance; Carlos' continued therapy work and the ripple effect of an individual's therapy on their community; Lata's incredible research ability which saves the day again; and the episode's commentary on toxic positivity and the importance of facing our grief and problems. They also screech, of course, about ROWENA!!!!
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supenatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW

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15.2: "The Winchesters" E11 - Red String Edition Dec 06, 2023

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In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine talk jackets and callbacks, Lata's relationship with Maggie, queer media texts, the implications of this being an autobiographical story (told from Dean's perspective), and the interesting messaging behind the song "You've Got a Friend", after which the episode is named.
Central to the episode is their discussion about Lata's rejection of blood family above all else, and the implications it has as a response to the messaging of Supernatural's finale, as well as its real-world importance.
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supenatural audio clip credits: The CW
SPN CE Jensen virtual panel November 15, 2020 audio clip credits: Its Daily Jensen on YouTube
JIBCon 11 Jojo and Drake panel February 24th, 2023 audio clip credits: Aurélie Kitty on YouTube
Jensen Ackles tweet: "Well, hey there sailor" from Twitter.
Music clip credits: "You've Got a Friend" by James Taylor and Carole King

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15.1: "The Winchesters" E11 - The Truth Shall Set You Free Nov 29, 2023

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In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss the way that the series thus far has been a healing experience for many from Supernatural's finale, Mary's response to Betty and to John's arrest, the revelations about John while he's in police custody, Lata's journey of letting go of things that were not hers to carry, the monster of the week (Erebus), Carlos' support role whilst maintaining his delightful personality, and Millie's personal growth.
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supenatural audio clip credits: The CW
Music clip credits: "Don't Fear the Reaper" by Blue Öyster Cult; "Turn into Earth" by The Yardbirds

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14: "The Winchesters" E10 - Prions & Proteins, Problems & Successes Nov 22, 2023

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CONTENT WARNING: This episode includes discussions of Holocaust imagery and the medical and institutional history of targeting marginalized and oppressed groups for exploitation and experimentation. Please be mindful of your wellbeing when deciding to listen (Begins 19:14; Ends 30:18).
In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss the troubling elements of "Suspicious Minds", questioning some of the decisions that were made and discussing the real-life roots of the tradition of the medical and institutional horror genre in the legacy of white supremacy.
They also talk about what is and isn't love, Carlos' and Lata's developing romantic relationships, the experience of being a vessel and Roxy's storyline, the Akrida's plot to frame John for the murder of Kyle, and Dean's new photo.
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supenatural audio clip credits: The CW
Music clips: "Suspicious Minds" by Elvis Presley

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13.2: "The Winchesters" E9 - Red String Edition Nov 15, 2023

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This episode begins with a discussion of fate vs luck in "Cast Your Fate to the Wind" and the wider Supernatural franchise. Catherine and Chrisha then move on to monsters and gods, the differences between The Winchesters' vampires and the vampires from Supernatural (and what those differences might mean), and how the episode's music spoke into its themes.
The bulk of the conversation focuses on the scene in the Red Room, its contrasts and parallels with "Despair" and "Carry On" (as usual, no audio clips are used for the latter), and the kiss between Carlos and Anton!
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supenatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
Music clips: "Bad Moon Rising" by Clearance Creedwater Revival; "Americana" theme by Jay Gruska; "Cast Your Fate to the Wind" by Vince Guaraldi & Carel Werber (clips from 1966 Shelby Flint and and 1967 Johnny Rivers versions); "Cadillac" by Lassie; "Rats" by The Kinks

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13.1: "The Winchesters" E9 - Fate vs Free Will Nov 08, 2023

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In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss The Winchesters' episode "Cast Your Fate to the Wind," starting with the diversity presented behind the scenes and onscreen and moving on to the themes of free will versus fate and how what we think we see may not be the full story. They also talk about Mary's biggest fear, the progress between John and his mom, Lata's inability to keep a secret, Carlos' iconic holy water hair commercial, and much more!
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW

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11.2: "The Winchesters" E8 - Red String Edition Nov 01, 2023

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In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine delve into what they've affectionately termed "the red string": trying to figure out what all the hints and mysteries behind each episode are leading to.
Topics include: What the HELL was Chuck doing onstage in the episode?; Dean's mysterious reappearance and its implications for the series; Jojo's Insta live and its implications for Destiel and queer Dean; The connections between this episode and Supernatural's "Last Call"; Alice in Wonderland themes; Lastly, the episode's music and its connection with themes from the show and fandom.
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW
SPN NashCon 2022 audio clip credits: ladywinchester1967 on YouTube
Music clip credits: "Hard Times Come Again No More" by Jojo Fleites & Louden Swain; "Rebel" by John Moran; "Saturday Night Alright (For Fighting)" by Elton John; "Hang on to Your Life" by The Guess Who

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12: Reaction To "The Winchesters" Finale Mar 08, 2023

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SPOILER WARNING: This episode contains reactions to and discussions of The Winchesters' season finale, "Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye."
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In this raw audio episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss their initial reactions to The Winchesters' season finale, "Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye," with particular attention to the healing work this episode and the entire season did in the wake of Supernatural's series finale, "Carry On."
A full analysis of the episode will happen at a later date, and they will continue to release episodes about the rest of the season in order!

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11.1: "The Winchesters" E8 - Dean is BACK! Mar 07, 2023

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If you want to follow along with Chrisha's social media reveals, scroll down to find all the links!
In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine do a whole lot of screeching about:

Dean
Dean's birthday
Dean talking about having an open heart
That freaking amazing Dean reveal at the end of the episode
Dean F***ing Winchester

They also look at Mary's strength in the face of pushy men, John's supportiveness and (sigh) incredibly romantic lines, Lata's continued ability to figure out all of the things, Carlos' amazing journey of rejecting the game, glitter explosions, and singing, and they try to nail down the history of Loki and Gabriel (which apparently even Jensen Ackles needs help with!).
If you want to experience the social media journey of the celebration of Dean's birthday right along with Catherine, here are the links:

The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
Music clip credits: The CW, with major kudos to Jojo Fleites and Louden Swain for "Hard Times Come Again No More"

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10.2: "The Winchesters" E7 - Reflections of Destiel and AU Madness Feb 27, 2023

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In Part 2 of their 2-parter on The Winchesters' "Reflections," Chrisha and Catherine take out their red string and have fun trying to untangle the mess of what the heck is going on in the wider story. They look at look at the connections between the Akrida and Supernatural S7's Leviathan and delve further into differences between the two series: beyond the odd ghouls to the watchdogs left behind by the Men of Letters and the different way that magic seems to work. Yes, there is more talk about radio waves. Yes, they talk about the closet scene and the kiss scene and the reflections of Supernatural's "Despair." And they ponder the importance of Roxy's comment that "nothing of this Earth" can kill her.
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
Music clip credits: "The Gambler" by Kenny Rogers; “Can’t Find My Way Home” by Blind Faith; “Time After Time” by Herman Hupfield, sung by Dooley Wilson; “Reflections” by Diana Ross and The Supremes; "Watching Over Me" by Radio Company

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10.1: "The Winchesters" E7 - Odd Ghouls & Akrida Possession Feb 19, 2023

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In Part 1 of their 2-parter on The Winchesters' "Reflections," Chrisha and Catherine look at the characters' journeys--everything from the psychological reasons for John's regression under pressure to Millie and Ada bonding to Carlos' knowledge of Latin. In the midst of it all, they talk about odd ghouls, the ins and outs of Akrida possession, and the implications for Robbie Thompson's interview with TV Line, where he teases that he hopes the reveal that the Akrida are from an AU "will drive some theories from our audience as to what we've been up to."
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
Nashcon 2022 audio clip credits: Creation Entertainment

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9.2: "The Winchesters" E6 - Red String, AUs, and Some Destiel Feb 11, 2023

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Content Warning: This episode includes discussions of Dean Winchester's death.
In Part 2 of their 2-parter on The Winchesters' "Art of Dying," Chrisha and Catherine go full red string with discussions about possible AUs, the musical paratexts and how they speak into the story, and parallels between John and Mary and Destiel.
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
Vancon 2022 audio clip credits: Creation Entertainment
Music clip credits: "Joan of Arc" by Judy Collins; "Art of Dying" by George Harrison

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9.1: "The Winchesters" E6 - barn Barn BARN Barn bArN (& Some Queerness) Jan 27, 2023

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In Part 1 of their 2-parter on The Winchesters' "Art of Dying," Chrisha and Catherine talk about barns. A lot.
They also discuss Mary's growth as a leader, John's anger and his attempt at healing, Lata's powerful choice for non-violence, and Carlos' sudden silence in the face of true attraction--and how that speaks to Dean's reactions towards Cas.
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
Music clip credits: "Pull the Wool" by U.S. Stamps; "All Right Now" by Free; "I Put a Spell On You" sung by Nina Simone

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8.2: "The Winchesters" E5 - F*** John Winchester, Red String Edition Dec 14, 2022

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In Part 2 of their two-parter on The Winchesters' "Legacy of a Mind," Chrisha and Catherine pull out the red string.
They delve into the reasons why Mary and John's journey into Mary's mind may have felt a little familiar, why the monster of the week may have given us some clues as to what the heck is going on with the series, and discuss about the Akrida and what the episode's songs may be hinting at.
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
Music clip credits: “Windmills of Your Mind" by Dusty Springfield; "I Put a Spell on You" cover by Nina Simone; "Legend of a Mind" by The Moody Blues

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8.1: "The Winchesters" E5 - F*** John Winchester Nov 24, 2022

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It was another massive recording session for episode five of The Winchesters, "Legacy of a Mind," so this week Chrisha and Catherine are breaking it down into two different parts.
Part 1 explores the Monster Club's character arcs in the episode and the themes of lies vs. honesty and hiding vs. being seen. Of special focus are Mary's exploration of her darkest moment, Ada's relationship with her son, Tony, and the many, many ways in which John deserves being told to f*** off.
Part 2? Yeah, they're pulling out the red string. Stay tuned!
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW

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7: "The Winchesters" E4 - Trauma, Anger, Isolation, Community, & Healing Nov 20, 2022

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Content Warning: This episode includes discussion of PTSD and John's self-harm behavior.
It's been a bit of a wait, but Catherine and Chrisha are back with a MASSIVE almost 2 hour episode about The Winchester's E4, "Masters of War."
They focus in on the trauma journeys faced by the two different pairs in the episode: John and Carlos, and Lata and Mary, and the different ways each of them face when triggered: healing and community vs. anger and isolation.
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
Music clip credits: “Everybody’s Talkin’” by Harry Nilsson; “Masters of War” by Bob Dylan
"Everybody's Talkin'" lyrics, as promised. :)
Everybody's talkin' at me
I don't hear a word they're sayin'
Only the echoes of my mind
People stoppin', starin'
I can't see their faces
Only the shadows of their eyes

I'm goin' where the sun keeps shinin'
Through the pourin' rain
Goin' where the weather suits my clothes
Bankin' off of the Northeast winds
Sailin' on summer breeze
And skippin' over the ocean like a stone

Wah, wah
Wah

I'm going where the sun keeps shinin'
Through the pourin' rain
Goin' where the weather suits my clothes
Bankin' off of the Northeast winds
Sailin' on summer breeze
And skippin' over the ocean like a stone

Everybody's talkin' at me
Can't hear a word they're sayin'
Only the echoes of my mind
I won't let you leave my love behind
No, I won't let you leave-wah
I won't let you leave my love behind

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6: "The Winchesters" E3 - Meta, Red String, & Radio Waves Oct 31, 2022

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Episode 3 of The Winchesters was wild, and Catherine and Chrisha were definitely feeling like that gif of the guy with the red string by the end of recording this episode.
From new character revelations to the dueling music narratives to the way that radio waves seemed to play an important role in the episode, they dig deep into the meta of the episode and notice some interesting connections between The Winchesters and the wider world of Supernatural.
Also: Robbie Thompson, Catherine and Chrisha really want to know what you're up too.
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
Music clip credits: "Restless Feeling" by Elderberry Jak; "Something Got Into Your Life" by Spooky Tooth; "Spooky" by Percy Sledge; "You're Lost Little Girl" by The Doors

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5: "The Winchesters" E2 - Monstrous Parents & Generational Trauma Oct 24, 2022

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Episode 2 of The Winchesters hit hard on the concept of monstrous parents, generational trauma, cycles of abuse, and finding yourself. From La Tunda, to Mary's relationship with Samuel, to John and Millie's fractious interactions, Chrisha and Catherine delve into and unpack the big and difficult concepts that this episode tackled.
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
Music clip credits: "Altitude" by Claude Perraudin; "Aquarius" by The 5th Dimension; "Teach Your Children" by Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young

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4: "The Winchesters" Pilot Thoughts ... So Many Thoughts! Oct 17, 2022

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Chrisha and Catherine have SOOOOO many thoughts about The Winchesters' premiere. From discussions about all the new characters, the incredible music, the Easter eggs and the parallels between moments from this new show and Supernatural, to thoughts about what might, exactly, be going on with Dean, this episode has a little bit of everything.
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
Interview with the Vampire audio clip credits: AMC
Music clip credits: "Americana" by Jay Gruska; "I'd Love to Change the World" by Ten Years After; "All Right Now" by Free

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3: More Things "The Winchesters" Oct 09, 2022

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There has been so much promotional material coming out about The Winchesters that Catherine and Chrisha have literally not been able to keep up!
But they did have an opportunity to record about some of it, and you can listen to their thoughts about:
- that slightly different version of "Carry On Wayward Son" under a recent promo
- more about that Cas clip and how it might connect to "Dark Side of the Moon" and "Destiny's Child"
- Henry Winchester and Mary Campbell
- mother-and-child relationships
―all in this new episode!
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
Music clip credits: "Carry On Wayward Son" by Kansas; "Overture" from The Phantom of the Opera by Andrew Lloyd Webber
Links:
Example of epic music: "Centurion" by Twisted Jukebox

https://youtu.be/ysavcCui_kI

Twitter discourse that got part of the conversation started:

https://twitter.com/cursed_or_not/status/1574797177074831360

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2: All Things "The Winchesters" Sep 11, 2022

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In this full length episode, Chrisha and Catherine go into a more in-depth look at the upcoming series, The Winchesters.
After their initial full on "nope" reaction to its first mention, they share what led them to give it a try. While still having reservations, they discuss what, exactly, from behind the scenes info, trailers, photo shoots, and posters, is making them excited enough to delve into a new season of podcasting.
The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW; JIB12
Music clip credits: "Spirit in the Sky," by Norman Greenbaum

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1: "The Winchesters" - A New Series & A New Project Sep 01, 2022

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The Fangirl Business is BACK with a new episode teasing their new project: the upcoming series, The Winchesters.
Welcoming listeners both old and new, Catherine and Chrisha discuss how their previous season, which followed the highs and lows of Supernatural's Season 15, is informing their current project. With a longer episode to come before The Winchesters' premiere, they briefly examine both their concerns about the new series and what made them decide to give it a try.

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43: Radio Company's "Watching Over Me" & Some Squee Feb 01, 2022

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Content Warning: This episode contains audio from Castiel's confession scene.
In what is a very 2022 moment, Chrisha and Catherine present to you a podcast they recorded in 2021--whilst also announcing an official hiatus after having not released any content for the past nine months. Yes, this pandemic sure has been a ride!
Join them for some Destiel squee and pain while they examine Radio Company's "Watching Over Me." They go on a deep dive about why they see this music as a song written from Dean's perspective after Cas' death, textually comparing the lyrics to moments from Season 15.
Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW
Music clip credits: Radio Company, "Watching Over Me"; Amy Grant, "Angels Watching Over Me"

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42.3: Deconstructing "Carry On" - From Dean's Funeral to the Bridge Reunion Apr 04, 2021

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*CONTENT WARNING: This episode discusses and analyzes "Carry On," starting at Dean's funeral and ending at the bridge reunion. We are including chapter markers in this episode so that you can skip moments that may be too difficult. There are no audio clips in this episode, as we feel that they could be triggering. Please take care of yourselves, friends.*
In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine begin their discussion with Dean's funeral, and proceed through to the brothers' reunion at the bridge. Along the way, they discuss everything from the way Sam's life montage invokes S14's "Nightmare Logic" to Dean drinking El Sol beer in heaven as they continue to investigate the many allusions to something being "wrong" with the events of the finale. Their conclusion? Given all that they have uncovered, canon for them ends in E19.
Links from discussion:

Supernatural Beer Info: https://mittensmorgul.tumblr.com/post/167499752865/hey-what-are-your-tags-for-beersign-meta-thanks

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42.2: Deconstructing "Carry On" - The Barn and Dean's Death Scene Mar 03, 2021

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*CONTENT WARNING: This episode discusses and analyzes "Carry On," starting with a discussion of the barn setting and including the entirety of Dean's death scene. We are including chapter markers in this episode so that you can skip moments that may be too difficult. There are no audio clips in this episode, as we feel that they could be triggering. Please take care of yourselves, friends.*
In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss the barn set and its connection to Season 4's "Heaven and Hell" before approaching Dean's death scene and the dialogue between him and Sam. Pulling out key lines of dialogue, they discuss the implications of what each the brothers said.
Links from discussion:

The Barn Set & "Heaven and Hell": https://twitter.com/NorthernSprw/status/1346493443321831428?s=20
Vampire Queer Coding & "Carry On": https://404dumbitch.tumblr.com/post/640381858210807808/the-most-hated-film-of-its-time

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42.1: Deconstructing "Carry On" - From Recap to Vamp Fight Feb 23, 2021

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*CONTENT WARNING: This episode discusses and analyzes "Carry On" up to and including the vampire fight, but prior to Dean's death. We are including chapter markers in this episode so that you can skip moments that may be too difficult. There are no audio clips in this episode, as we feel that they could be triggering. Please take care of yourselves, friends.*
In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine break down the structure and content of "Carry On" in order to analyze why, exactly, the episode didn't work: how it deviates from the trajectory of S15, and how it conflicts with established canon. They also discuss the visual cues scattered throughout the episode that seem to indicate there may be an altered reality of some sort at play throughout the finale.
Links from discussion:

Corelli Pizza Info: https://naruhearts.tumblr.com/post/173616333026/thedogsled-prairiedust-spnjohnlocked
Supernatural Beer Info: https://mittensmorgul.tumblr.com/post/167499752865/hey-what-are-your-tags-for-beersign-meta-thanks
Vampire Queer Coding & "Carry On": https://404dumbitch.tumblr.com/post/640381858210807808/the-most-hated-film-of-its-time

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41: Announcing "Reclaiming Supernatural" Feb 16, 2021

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Note: Due to life, an abundance of excellent series rewatch podcasts, and the new series The Winchesters,"Reclaiming Supernatural" has been put on the back burner for the immediate future.
In this episode of The Fangirl Business, Chrisha and Catherine talk about their upcoming project, "Reclaiming Supernatural," a rewatch with a twist that will start back at season one. They also discuss their next steps, which includes a final deconstruction, analysis, and rejection of the series finale, "Carry On," using a literary lens.

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40: State of the Fandom - Post Finale Edition Jan 29, 2021

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*S15E20 SPOILERS DISCUSSED IN THIS EPISODE*
Chrisha and Catherine are back with an all-new State of the Fandom (SotF) episode, after a much needed haitus! In this podcast, they discuss this transitional period for the fandom and their own personal journeys post Supernatural's finale, and they hint at what's coming next for The Fangirl Business!
CONTENT WARNING: While it is not the focus, this episode does touch upon the series finale for Supernatural, and briefly mentions some of the triggers from it.

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39: "Carry On" - Pain, Trauma, and Processing Dec 01, 2020

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*S15E20 SPOILERS BELOW*

In their overview of Supernatural’s finale, Chrisha and Catherine discuss their personal reactions and the many triggers embedded within the narrative.

Note: There are no audio clips in this episode of The Fangirl Business.

CONTENT WARNING: Discussion of abuse, childlessness, ableism, misogyny, queer erasure, suicide, & suicidal ideation.

IF YOU NEED SUPPORT:

https://www.imalive.org/online/ (offers online chat)
Text SHARE to the Crisis Text Line
- 741741 in the USA
- 686868 in Canada
- 85258 in the UK
- 50808 in Ireland

IF YOU WANT TO DONATE:

The Castiel Project: https://give.thetrevorproject.org/fundraiser/3037563
Dean Winchester Is Love: https://donate.nami.org/fundraiser/3040106
The Sam Winchester Project: https://www.togetherwerise.org/fundraise/samwinchester
The Jack Kline Project: https://charity.gofundme.com/o/en/campaign/random-acts-10-year-anniversary/MeganCrocker
In honor of Eileen Leahy: https://www.nad.org/donate/
The Eileen Leahy Fundraiser: https://www.mightycause.com/story/Ofvepf
The Miracle Project: https://secure.aspca.org/team/the-miracle-project
Gabriel’s Gift: https://fundraise.actionagainsthunger.org/fundraiser/gabrielsgift
The Charlie Bradbury Project: https://www.classy.org/fundraiser/3042431

Additional Links:

Here’s a Buzzfeed article about the finale that Chrisha and Catherine both found helpful: https://www.buzzfeed.com/deirdre-t/supernaturalas-legacy-the-trauma-of-silence-1b17yhc5ye?utm_source=dynamic&utm_campaign=bfsharetwitter
Two “fix-it” fics Chrisha and Catherine found helpful are:
- “Carry On” by Castielslostwings https://archiveofourown.org/works/27648386
- “Being and Having” by tricia_16 https://archiveofourown.org/works/27678379

PS: Catherine here. I say at one point that the CW is generally progressive. We recorded this before I realized just how much hurt the CW has inflicted to other audiences this year, including Riverdale and The 100. I have been so saddened and upset to learn all of this.

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38.2: "Inherit the Earth," "Fanfiction," & Reciprocal Destiel Hopes Nov 19, 2020

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*S15E19 SPOILERS BELOW*
The time has come, wayward friends... our LAST podcast before we know it all! Join Chrisha and Catherine as they discuss all things Destiel in Inherit The Earth, including Cas' loud absence, Dean's self-actualization, and what they believe we may be exploring the exact nature of in Act 2!
CONTENT WARNING: This episode delves into theories for Destiel and Cas' endgame, which are HOPEFUL and STILL STAND! We know how hard hope can be, and we know how hard saying goodbye to our show is. Please listen only if and when you feel up to it. We'll be here when you're ready!
Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW

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38.1: "Inherit the Earth" - From "WTAF?" to "GENIUS!" Nov 17, 2020

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*S15E19 SPOILERS BELOW*
Chrisha and Catherine's initial reaction to "Inherit the Earth" was very much "WTAF?" However, after some discussion, and some delving into the details, their ultimate take is: "GENIUS!" Come along for the ride as they discuss the penultimate episode and all that's going on just underneath its surface.
Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW

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37.2: "Despair," Destiel, & Dessert - Feelings, Analysis, Hope ... and Pie! Nov 12, 2020

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*S15E18 SPOILERS BELOW*
At last... pie! Come join Chrisha and Catherine in their most joyous podcast episode to date, as they squee and sob their way through Destiel going CANON! Beyond the squee, they process their feelings about the ship and what it means for them and for queer representation. And because they can't help themselves, they delve into possible theories for the last two episodes, including the excitement and fear of having hope.
CONTENT WARNING: This episode delves into theories for Destiel and Cas' endgame, which are HOPEFUL and STILL STAND! We know how hard hope can be, and we know how hard saying goodbye to our show is. Please listen only if and when you feel up to it. We'll be here when you're ready!
Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW

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37.1: "Despair" - Context, Guest Stars, TFW2.0, and....Kale! Nov 12, 2020

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*S15E18 SPOILERS BELOW*
In this episode of highly delicious and nutritious kale-like content, Chrisha and Catherine start their discussion of Despair, including real world context, guest stars, Dean's dramatic change after the departure of Chuck, Dad!Sam, the parallels between Sam and Jack, Sam's leadership, and Jack's maturity.
Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW

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36.2: "Unity," Humans, Seraphs, and Free Will (and our very last subtext episode!) Nov 11, 2020

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*S15E17 SPOILERS BELOW*
In this episode (the last one before the subtext became the text!), Chrisha and Catherine discuss the parallels between Adam and Seraphina and Dean and Cas and consider the implications of Chuck's revelations about Amara and Castiel from a shipping perspective.
Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW

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36.1: "Unity," Dean's Rage, Sam's Vulnerability, and Cas' Free Will Nov 10, 2020

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*S15E17 SPOILERS BELOW*
In another supersized podcast, Chrisha and Catherine begin the work of analyzing "Unity." In an excellently crafted episode that generated a lot of big feelings, they hone in on Dean's rage, Sam's vulnerability, and Cas' free will. Additionally, they discuss the nuanced way in which Amara was portrayed in this episode: building toward a redemption arc, which was interrupted by Chuck's abuse and manipulation.
Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW

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34.2: "Drag Me Away (From You)", Musical Subtext, and Dean's Sexuality Nov 06, 2020

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*S15E16 SPOILERS BELOW*
In this mini shipping episode about "Drag Me Away (From You)", Chrisha and Catherine delve into music choices, prayer in Supernatural,the mirroring of Dean and Travis, and Dean's continued lack of sexual interest in female characters this season.
Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW
Music credits: The Ink Spots, "If I Didn't Care"

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35: "Despair" and DESTIELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Nov 06, 2020

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*S15E18 SPOILERS BELOW*
Chrisha and Catherine could not contain their excitement about DESTIEL GOING FREAKING CANON in "Despair" and literally started recording this within 15 minutes of the episode ending on the East Coast. Come listen to them screech, sob, and celebrate Castiel telling Dean that HE LOVES HIM, and share their love for the endurance of a ship that refused to quit.
Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW

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34.1 "Drag Me Away (From You)", Childhood Trauma, & Characterization Choices Nov 05, 2020

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*S15E16 SPOILERS BELOW*
It's another supersized podcast from Chrisha and Catherine! In it, they discuss the hits and misses of "Drag Me Away (From You)", including the troubling depiction of therapy, characterization choices, and the way that the episode depicted early childhood trauma and its impact on Dean's current behavior. They also cheer for Sam. Like, a lot.
Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW

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33.2: "Gimme Shelter", Shipping, and End Game Musings Oct 31, 2020

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*S15E15 SPOILERS BELOW*
Chrisha and Catherine discuss "Gimme Shelter"'s shipping elements, focusing in on Dean and Cas' parenting, that photo Cas used to summon the crossroads demon, and the problematic nature of Amara and Dean's past "relationship." They go on to muse about the series finale and what the effects may be for viewers past and present should the ship go/not go canon in a big way.
Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW
Music credits: Taylor Swift, "I Did Something Bad"; "End Game"

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33.1: The Dark Side of Humanity & Gifts from Deities in "Gimme Shelter" Oct 30, 2020

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*S15E15 SPOILERS BELOW*
In this supersized podcast, Chrisha and Catherine discuss "Gimme Shelter," which was split between a lot of cuteness and a lot of heavy content. They squee over Cas' return and all the adorable moments in which Jack emulates his dads, but then turn to more serious topics: the way in which the episode explores the dark side of humanity, the price of "gifts" from deities, and Jack's secret.
Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW

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32: Theories - The Mystery of the Garden; Free Will; the Beginning and the End Oct 24, 2020

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*SPOILERS THROUGH S15E13 BELOW*
In this episode (recorded just before the end of hiatus), Chrisha and Catherine look back at elements that have been laid down in previous seasons as they theorize about what may come in the final few episodes of Supernatural. With the relevance of the Garden fresh on their minds from "Destiny's Child," they start their discussion back in Season 9 with Gadreel, the Garden's failed guardian, and examine the mystery of what exactly happened in the world's first Paradise. They end by comparing discussing the parallels between the book of Revelation and Cas' prediction of a new Paradise, brought about by Jack. In between, they discuss heroes and villains, the role of Lucifer, parallels, and an ending tied to healing from trauma.
Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW

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31: Cuteness, Torture, and Parenting in "Last Holiday" Oct 18, 2020

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*S15E14 SPOILERS BELOW*
They've survived their very last (and longest!) Hellatus, and Chrisha and Catherine are back with an all new, super-sized podcast about "Last Holiday!" They have an honest conversation about missing Cas, squee about all the cuteness from this episode, discuss the problematic ways in which torture and its repercussions were addressed and overlooked, and discuss the healing that is underway in the parent-child relationship between Dean and Jack.
Special guest appearance: Gabriel the cat, adding purring to the ambience
Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW

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30: "Galaxy Brain" and "Destiny's Child" ... Shipping Edition Oct 06, 2020

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*SPOILERS THROUGH S15E13 BELOW*
Join Chrisha and Catherine for a 2-for-1 shipping special, as they delve into the Destiel subtext of both Galaxy Brain AND Destiny's Child! From porn jokes to clinking glasses to toddler co-parenting to intricate religious symbolism, our show (and this podcast!) has it all!
“Galaxy Brain” and “Destiny’s Child” audio clip credits: The CW

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29: SotF - The Last Day of Filming (And Some Hope for the Future) Sep 17, 2020

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*SPOILERS THROUGH S15E13 BELOW*
Well, folks, it finally happened: filming wrapped on the final episode of Supernatural. In this week's "State of the Fandom" (SotF), Chrisha and Catherine walk us through their experience of The Last Day. From the genius and viral "Thank You Supernatural" hashtag from fanfic author tricia_16, to tributes from past and present guests and costars, to messages from the show's leads, it was a day full of emotion: love, sadness, pride, and overwhelming gratitude. The episode closes with some squeeing from Jensen's recent interview with Michael Rosenbaum--and some very exciting and well-timed good news, which gives Chrisha and Catherine some hope for the future.
Audio clip credits: "Inside of You Podcast with Michael Rosenbaum"

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28: SotF - Fandom; Family; the Future Sep 09, 2020

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*SPOILERS THROUGH S15E13 BELOW*
The adjective of the past week for the fandom is probably "intense." In this week's "State of the Fandom" (SotF) Chrisha and Catherine discuss the many difficult moments of the past seven days, touching upon interactions between parts of the fandom, the crew, and the writers. In the process, they discuss the analogy of "family" in the fandom and the anxiety about the upcoming transition from an actively filming show to a concluded series.
Audio clip credits: The CW

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27: SotF - "Angel with A Shotgun"; Promo; Last First Day; "Bravelecki" Sep 02, 2020

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*SPOILERS THROUGH S15E13 BELOW*
In their latest State of the Fandom (SotF) episode, Chrisha and Catherine tackle the most recent fandom events in the lead up to Supernatural's seven final episodes. This week, they discuss the production board and its quotes- and songs-of-the-day, the new promo for the final episodes, the last first day of filming and actor goodbyes, and the epic new short film by Jake Abel, Bravelecki.
Music credit: The Cab, "Angel with a Shotgun"

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26: SotF - Where's Misha?; Jensen and "The Boys"; "Jake and Quarantine" Aug 26, 2020

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*SPOILERS THROUGH S15E13 BELOW*
Chrisha and Catherine continue their new State of the Fandom (SofF) episodes! This week, they look into fandom speculation as to where Misha is currently located, examine their very different reactions to the news about Jensen's new show, and rave about Jake Abel's recent "quarantine with a twist" series on Instagram. During it all, they get real about their feelings and find laughter and reasons for hope.

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25: State of the Fandom Update (Mini Episode) Aug 18, 2020

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*SPOILERS FROM RECENT CREATION PANELS, LONDON PANEL, and PANEL WITH COREY BOOKER AND MJ HEGAR BELOW*
Chrisha and Catherine get real with feels as they discuss the cast's recent return to Vancouver, the unexpected panels from the past 10 days, and the vague-yet-concerning references the actors have made to the show and the end point for Castiel. They break down recent events, fandom and personal feelings, and give logical reasons why we can hold on to hope.
Corey Booker & MJ Hegar audio clip credit: Misha Collins' YouTube Channel

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24: Pride - Celebrating Charlie Bradbury Aug 12, 2020

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*SPOILERS THROUGH S15 BELOW*
They're back--and Chrisha and Catherine celebrating all things Charlie for 2020 Pride! Come take a stroll with them down memory lane as they discus the adorable, smart, geeky glory that is Charlie Bradbury: the most beloved openly queer character in the history of Supernatural.
(Note: There is some discussion of Dean's sexuality in this episode)
Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW
Music credits: Katrina and the Waves, "Walking On Sunshine"

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23.2: The Empty, the Garden, and the Framework in "Destiny's Child" May 14, 2020

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*S15E13 SPOILERS BELOW*
In part two of their multi-part episode on "Destiny's Child," Chrisha and Catherine talk about the many exciting reveals in this episode that feed into the wider story arc of S15. They do metal analysis on the mythological cosmology of Supernatural's universe, focusing on The Empty, the Garden, the Framework, souls, and much more!
Audio clip credits: The CW and The WB

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23.1: Flaws and Faves in "Destiny's Child" Apr 27, 2020

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*S15E13 SPOILERS BELOW*
Most of us can agree that episode 13 was a bit of a bumpy ride. Join Chrisha and Catherine as they examine the flaws and their fave moments from "Destiny's Child" in this first of what will likely be a FOUR-part podcast on the episode. The two discuss issues such as continuity errors and perceived character inconsistencies as well as some of their favorite individual moments from the episode. In Part 2, they'll go on to discuss everything that they loved about the wider story arc and how this episode fit into the season thus far.
Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW and The WB
Music credits: Savage Garden, "I Want You"

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22: Special Edition with a Special Birthday Guest Apr 12, 2020

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*S15E8 SPOILERS BELOW*
We're celebrating a very special someone's birthday in this special edition of The Fangirl Business: fangirl-in-training, Zoey, just turned 8! In this episode, Zoey discusses her favorite Supernatural character, Rowena, her experience with the Collins' cookbook, The Adventurous Eaters Club, and her fave songs from Radio Company and Louden Swain. Plus, we get the scoop on her family's best (and wackiest) GISH moments!
All Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW
"Cooking With Maison and West" clip credit: Misha Collins
Music credits: Radio Company, "Cannonball"; Louden Swain (featuring Ruthie Connell), "Bang Bang"

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21.2: The Squishy Human Center In "Galaxy Brain" Apr 06, 2020

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*S15E12 SPOILERS BELOW*
Yes, there were some big reveals and even bigger questions in episode 12 ... but Chrisha and Catherine really loved all the squishy human goodness in the middle of it all: lots of feels, lots of growth, lots of family moments.
All audio clip credits: The CW

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21.1: God, Death, and Meta in "Galaxy Brain" Mar 26, 2020

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*S15E12 SPOILERS BELOW*
Big stuff was revealed in episode 12, and Chrisha and Catherine are digging into it in this first part of another multi-part podcast. From the workings of Supernatural's cosmos, to the divide between cosmic beings and humans when it comes to valuing human life, to meta commentary on contemporary issues in our own world-Chrisha and Catherine dig into the big picture in this first installment on "Galaxy Brain."
"Galaxy Brain" audio clip credits: The CW
"The Monster at the End of This Book" audio clip credits: Warner Brothers

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20: We Have Some Theories (...and they are FUN!) Mar 15, 2020

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*SPOILERS THROUGH S15E11 BELOW*
Chrisha and Catherine take the time to delve into some theories they've been working on ... since January. Yup. Big stuff. Angels, demigods, hope, the upending of entire systems--they talk about it all in this last hiatus podcast before Supernatural returns tomorrow with Episode 12! If you can't wait to watch more fresh Supernatural episodes tomorrow, or if you're looking for some encouragement about how the series may end, take a listen!

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19: Special Edition - Support In Stressful Times Mar 15, 2020

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There's been a lot going on in the past few weeks for the SPNFamily.
Chrisha and Catherine talk about the many hits that the fandom (and the world) have been taking, with an eye to how we can support and uplift each other, and what they are doing personally to cope during these unsettling times.
Hang in there, fam. We love you.

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18.2: Deep Dives - Dean, Healing, and Growth Mar 12, 2020

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*SPOILERS THROUGH S15E11 BELOW*
In the second of their two-part deep dive about Dean Winchester, Chrisha and Catherine examine Dean's healing and growth over the course of his 15-year story. They delve into concepts such as post-traumatic growth (healing from trauma stronger than before the trauma occurred) andre-parenting (giving ourselves what our parents did not give us in our childhoods) as key facets of Dean's journey, as well as discussing their hopes for Dean as he moves forward.
Supernatural audio clip credits: Warner Brothers & The CW

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18.1: Deep Dives - Dean, Anger, and Trauma Mar 06, 2020

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*SPOILERS THROUGH S15E11 BELOW*
Trigger Warning:
The episode includes conversation about anger, trauma, abandonment, and self-hatred, as well as an in-depth discussion of the clinical definition of PTSD (starting at 44:42 and ending at 56:26).
In the first of their hiatus episodes, Chrisha and Catherine start with Dean Winchester's own query, "I don't know why I get so angry," as a jumping off point for looking at how Dean's past trauma and coping mechanisms have shaped his behavior today. This deep dive goes all the way back to Season 1, and spans the course of all fifteen seasons. (Their next episode will look at Dean's healing and growth!)
Supernatural audio clip credits: Warner Brothers & The CW
Dean and anger opening audio edit credit: Mel, @melsedits and @mishasdiary (Twitter)

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17.3: "The Gamblers" ... Shipping Edition Feb 12, 2020

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*S15E11 SPOILERS BELOW*
Join Chrisha and Catherine for a wild ride into shippiness in part three of their three-parter on "The Gamblers," where they talk about the Destiel callouts in the episode, Cas and Dean's co-parenting, and the state of Destiel as we head into the last eight episodes of the series. Also, be prepared for a lot of Lizzo.
"The Gamblers" audio clip credits: The CW
Music credits: Lizzo, "Truth Hurts," "Boys," "Good As Hell," and "Heaven Help Me"

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17.2: Cas, Jack, & the TFW 2.0 Reunion Scene in "The Gamblers" Feb 09, 2020

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*S15E11 SPOILERS BELOW*
In part two of their three-parter, Chrisha and Catherine talk about Cas' continuing BAMFiness, Jack's brokenness, and that incredible reunion scene at the end of "The Gamblers." They also discuss the problem of Cas' power for the writers, Cas' as a parent, and how Sam and Dean's compassion was put to the test in the face of seeing Jack again.
"The Gamblers" audio clip credits: The CW
Music credit: Lizzo, "Good As Hell"

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17.1: They're BACK! Sam & Dean in "The Gamblers" Feb 05, 2020

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*S15E11 SPOILERS BELOW*
In part one of their three-parter on "The Gamblers," Chrisha and Catherine talk about how this entire episode was a game changer (pun INTENDED) for the Winchesters: our heroes are back, baby! Bonus convo about Supernatural's cosmology, different expectations with different writers, and the tie-ins to the last episode.
Part two will focus mainly on Jack and Cas, with a little bit of the Winchesters at the end!
"The Gamblers" audio clip credits: The CW

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16.3: Subtext, Sexuality, and Shippiness in "The Heroes' Journey" Jan 30, 2020

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*S15E10 SPOILERS BELOW*
In part three of their three-parter, Chrisha and Catherine address all the stuff that was just under the surface of the weirdness that was "The Heroes' Journey." Turns out, there was a LOT. By turns, the two discuss Destiel hopes and dreams, Dean's work to overcome the legacy of toxic masculinity in his life and its intersections with his sexuality, and that dance number.
"The Heroes' Journey" audio clip credits: The CW
Music credit: Cole Porter, "Let's Misbehave"

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16.2: Deconstructing "The Heroes' Journey" Jan 27, 2020

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*S15E10 SPOILERS BELOW*
There was a LOT going on in Supernatural's most recent episode.In part two of their three-parter on "The Heroes' Journey," Chrisha and Catherine delve into what made this episode tick, including "what makes a hero a hero?", and the answers to ongoing fandom pet peeves that the episode provided.
"The Heroes' Journey" audio clip credits: The CW

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16.1: Nerding Out About "The Heroes' Journey" (Mini Episode) Jan 25, 2020

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*S15E10 SPOILERS BELOW*
In part one of their three-parter on "The Heroes' Journey," Chrisha and Catherine straight up nerd out over the components surrounding the episode. They talk about imagery, the literary stuff that underpins the episode's title, music, and more! Come listen to the geekery. It's super fun.
"The Heroes' Journey" audio clip credits: The CW
Music credit: Warren Zevon, "Werewolves of London"

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15.3: "The Trap," Dean, and Cas (Shipping Edition) Jan 22, 2020

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*S15E9 SPOILERS BELOW*
In part three of their three-parter on "The Trap," Chrisha and Catherine have all the fun talking about shipping. All the fun. They discuss the quandary of whether or not Dean and Cas' relationship can even be considered subtext at this point, look at the parallels the show is drawing between Dean/Cas and Eileen/Sam, and look at the ways (both overt and subtle) in which "The Trap" pays tribute to Destiel.
"The Trap" audio clip credits: The CW

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15.2: "The Trap," Dean, and Cas (Platonic Edition) Jan 19, 2020

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*S15E9 SPOILERS BELOW*
In part two of their three-parter on "The Trap," Chrisha and Catherine focus on the platonic aspects of Dean and Castiel's interactions in the episode. They discuss Cas' assertiveness and confidence and his new-found ability to hold boundaries, while also examining, in-depth, Dean's emotional growth as a character. Also they fangirl. A LOT.
"The Trap" audio clip credits: The CW

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15.1: "The Trap," Sam, Eileen, and Chuck Jan 19, 2020

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*S15E9 SPOILERS BELOW*
In part one of their three-parter on "The Trap," Chrisha and Catherine focus their discussion on the Sam, Eileen, and Chuck portions of the episode. Their analysis includes an in-depth look at the connections between hope, free will, discerning truth from lies, and just how God-damned awful Chuck is (Yeah. Pun intended.).
"The Trap" audio clip credits: The CW

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14: Midseason Emotional Check-In Jan 15, 2020

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Note: Our intro in this episode includes promo materials for the rest of the season. Just wanted to give y'all a heads up.
In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine take the opportunity to talk through feelings surrounding the cast and crew's return to the set of Supernatural and the emotional content that has been released on social media this week from the leads. As the end of Supernatural draws closer, they discuss coping strategies and ways that we can all support each other as part of the SPNFamily.
Introductory promotional credit: Shaving People Punting Things
Introductory music credit: Radio Company, "Drowning"

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13:3: "The Road Ahead" ... A Look Forward During Hiatus Jan 13, 2020

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*S15 SPOILERS THROUGH EP8 BELOW*
In this last of their three-part hiatus episode, Chrisha and Catherine reflect back on what we've learned thus far as a way of sussing out where we may be headed in the second half of Supernatural's 15th season. During part of the podcast, they revisit the S15 poster and look with fresh eyes at the imagery--and discuss everything from the Judeo-Christian meaning of octagrams to the traditional meaning of paired angels in medieval manuscripts--all with an eye to thinking through what may be next (in other words, WE GEEKED THE HECK OUT ON THIS ONE).
Make sure you listen to the end for a (happy!) announcement--and #DramaticHairballsPart2.
All Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW, and The WB

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13.2: "The Road So Far" ... Subtext Edition Jan 12, 2020

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*S15 SPOILERS THROUGH EP8 BELOW*
In this second of three hiatus episodes, Chrisha and Catherine examine the role of subtext over the course of season 15. From mixtapes to "well, Cas, not for nothing, but..." to Purgatory (and Leviathan blossoms!), they delve into the past and present of Destiel and Dean's sexuality--and have a lot of fun in the process.
Note: We kept the language profanity-free as always, but this podcast does include discussions of sex and sexuality and makes reference to sexual metaphors.
We are very much aware that we are two women talking about the sexuality of men. If anything we say is ever insensitive or inaccurate, please feel empowered to let us know. We strive to share our own truths while also being as inclusive as we possibly can.

All Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW, and The WB

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13.1: "The Road So Far" ... A Look Back During Hiatus Jan 02, 2020

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*S15 SPOILERS THROUGH EP8 BELOW*
In this first of three hiatus episodes, Chrisha and Catherine start with a retrospective, reflecting back on "The Road So Far." They explore many of the fall's revelations and its ongoing themes now that we have reached the midseason finale and have a broader perspective on Season 15.
Make sure you listen to the end for #DramaticHairballs and tantruming toddlers. This is real-life podcasting, folks. :)
All Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW, and The WB

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12: "Our Father Who Aren't In Heaven" ... Big Title, Big Episode, Big Podcast Dec 19, 2019

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*S15E8 SPOILERS BELOW*
"Our Father Who Aren't In Heaven" (aka #WhatTheChuck) had a big title ... and it was a big episode. Chrisha and Catherine unpack moments big and small, squee over the incredible character returns, and hypothesize about where we might be headed next. Spoilers: Catherine is incredibly proud of Dean and may mention it a few times during the episode. :D
"Our Father Who Aren't In Heaven" audio clip credits: The CW

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11.3: "Last Call" and Things Subtextual Dec 15, 2019

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*S15E7 SPOILERS BELOW*
In Part 3 of their 3-parter on "Last Call," Chrisha and Catherine delve into the subtext of the episode: namely the allusions to Dean's possible bisexuality and Destiel references. And they had a lot of fun doing so. :D
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"Last Call" audio clip credits: The CW

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11.2: "Last Call" and More Things Textual Dec 10, 2019

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*S15E7 SPOILERS BELOW*
In Part 2 of their THREE-parter on "Last Call," Chrisha and Catherine continue their discussion about the "text" of the episode (i.e. what was shown on the screen during the episode). This part of the podcast focuses on Castiel's new, cunning version of BAMFiness, Eileen's fierceness, that interruption between Eileen and Sam, some key plot points, and ... Chrisha makes Catherine cry at the end of the episode (it's in a good way, we promise).
"Last Call" audio clip credits: The CW

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11.1: "Last Call" and Things Textual Dec 08, 2019

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*S15E7 SPOILERS BELOW*
In Part 1 of their THREE-parter on "Last Call," Chrisha and Catherine talk through the "text" of the episode (i.e. what was shown on the screen during the episode). There is much squeeing about domestic Sam and Eileen, that sock reference, and the very extra sheriff. The episode also includes an extended discussion about the way that Lee was used as a foil for Dean, revealing truths about who Dean is to both the audience and to himself, and spurring Dean to reevaluate his recent hopelessness.
"Last Call" audio clip credits: The CW

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10.2: "Golden Time" and Relationships Dec 03, 2019

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*S15E6 SPOILERS BELOW*
In this second part of their two-parter on "Golden Time," Chrisha and Catherine delve into the relationships (both romantic and platonic) that are touched upon in the episode. WARNING: There may be some squees. There may be some tandem fangirl sighs. There may be some ultrasonic sounds made by Catherine over some of the cuteness from this episode.
You have been warned. ;)
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"Golden Time" audio clip credits: The CW
"True Romance" audio clip credit: Warner Brothers
Supplementary purr audio credits: Gabriel (the kitten)

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10.1: "Golden Time" and So Much BAMFiness Dec 01, 2019

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*S15E6 SPOILERS BELOW*
There was a whooooooole lot of BAMFiness going on in E6 (if you don't know what the acronym BAMF stands for, you'll find helpful explanations via the Google ... it's a little workaround for us cause we don't swear on this podcast). In Part 1 of their two-parter on "Golden Time," Chrisha and Catherine discuss the many different ways one can be a BAMF and chat about the separate character arcs in this episode for Sam, Dean, Eileen, and Cas.
Misha Collins JaxCon 2019 audio clip credit: Michi Crowley
"Golden Time" audio clip credits: The CW

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9: "Proverbs 17:3" ... Huh. Nov 19, 2019

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*S15E5 SPOILERS BELOW*
If you were left going "...huh" during the latest episode of Supernatural, you aren't alone. Chrisha and Catherine talk through "Proverbs 17:3," unfulfilling writing, and why this episode was actually brilliant.
"Proverbs 17:3" audio clip credits: The CW

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8.2: "Atomic Monsters" ... Everything Else (There Was A Lot) Nov 12, 2019

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*S15E4 SPOILERS BELOW*
The word of the day is "meta." Don't worry, it's not as intimidating as it sounds! Catherine and Chrisha talk through the opening action scene, evil Sam, and the state of our heroes in "Atomic Monsters."
"Atomic Monsters" audio clip credits: The CW
"Sounds of Someday" audio clip credits: Radio Company

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8.1: "Atomic Monsters," Becky, and Fandom Nov 10, 2019

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*S15E4 SPOILERS BELOW*
If you'd asked Chrisha and Catherine a week ago if they'd be doing an entire section of a podcast on Becky Rosen, they'd probably have laughed. But here we are. In part one of their two-parter on "Atomic Monsters," Catherine and Chrisha talk about Becky's journey as a character and what this means for fandom. Fanfiction, writing, mental health, and power dynamics are just a few of the things that come up!
"Atomic Monsters" audio clip credits: The CW

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Mini Episode: Supernatural Finale Date Reaction Nov 09, 2019

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In this mini episode, Chrisha and Catherine react to the news that the date of the Supernatural finale episode has been set.
Supernatural: September 13, 2005 - May 18, 2020
Disclaimer: The information presented in this podcast is intended to be for entertainment and educational purposes only. It should never be used in place of advice given by a mental health or medical professional or as a substitute for mental health treatment. If you're struggling with a mental health issue, please seek professional help.

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7: Managing Fandom Experiences on Social Media Nov 02, 2019

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Navigating our way through fandom on social media can be rough. Catherine and Chrisha talk about what's worked for them as Supernatural fangirls, give practical tips about how to manage and cultivate our feeds for a positive fandom experience, and put it all in the context of the heightened emotions surrounding the final season of Supernatural.

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6.2: Processing "The Rupture" (Dean, Cas, & Belphegor) Oct 29, 2019

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*S15E3 SPOILERS BELOW*
The feels were real for "The Rupture," and Chrisha and Catherine had a lot to talk about--so much so that they ended up making this podcast a two-parter (there was also a lot of Kleenex involved). Part 2 focuses on Dean and Cas (and Belphegor... oh, my!).
Catherine and Chrisha uncover why their emotional reactions to Cas and Dean ran so deep, how the episode's conflict has caused unexpected personal revelations, and what has helped them to process their feelings.
"The Rupture" audio clip credits: The CW

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6.1: Processing "The Rupture" (Rowena, Sam, & Ketch) Oct 27, 2019

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*S15E3 SPOILERS BELOW*
The feels were real for "The Rupture," and Chrisha and Catherine had a lot to talk about--so much so that they ended up making this podcast a two-parter (there was also a lot of Kleenex involved). In Part 1, they talk about Rowena, Sam, and Ketch: how the episode honored these characters, their stories, and their redemption... even as it dealt out huge blows.
"The Rupture" audio clip credits: The CW

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5: We Are (Raising Hell) Oct 20, 2019

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*S15E2 SPOILERS BELOW*
Chrisha and Catherine dig in to the second episode of season 15, sharing their thoughts on what they enjoyed and what they were frustrated by. They also delve into the emotional and behavioral regression experienced by each of our boys last season, and explore how - despite some attention grabbing silliness and LOLs - the episode showed Sam, Dean, and Cas each taking strides towards healing... and what this may mean for the future.
"Raising Hell" audio clip credits: The CW

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4: Premiere Feelings Oct 12, 2019

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*S15E1 SPOILERS BELOW*
In their first podcast since Supernatural's season 15 premiere, Chrisha and Catherine recap the day leading into the broadcast and what happens when our everyday lives and fandom collide. They then process their reactions to "Back and to the Future" (that opening scene, Cas being all angel-y, Sam's wound moment, Alexander Calvert's new character, and Dean and Cas' ongoing conflict) and figure out how they're doing in the wake of it all.
"Back and to the Future" audio clip credits: The CW

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3: Premiere Preparation Oct 06, 2019

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In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine talk about the week leading up to the season 15 premiere and all the accompanying emotions. They also chat about some of the squee-worthy moments from the past week (Jensen's new music, Misha's new poem) and talk about how they are personally preparing for the first episode of Supernatural's last season.
Intro audio credit: The CW*
Misha's poem audio credit: Niamh (@danneelsbitch on Twitter)
*No S15 spoilers in this audio (it pulls from S1-14), but it may cause some feels, peeps! Be advised!

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2.3: Deep Dives - S15 Poster Edition Oct 03, 2019

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In this third and final part of their epic three-part podcast, Chrisha and Catherine go on a deep dive into Supernatural's S15 poster, which was released on Supernatural Day. Take a listen as they have WAY TOO MUCH FREAKING FUN analyzing what the meaning and symbolism might be behind the image, including: the heaven and hell imagery, those dang angels, the placement of the characters, and the unusual eight-pointed star. So much hypothesizing. So much excitement. So. Much. FUN.

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2.2: Tipping Points Oct 02, 2019

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Chrisha and Catherine continue Monday's conversation, turning to this year's Supernatural Day--a day that both of them personally found to be difficult. This part of their three-parter podcast focuses on tipping points (in other words, moments where the fun stops being fun anymore), ways to cope, and re-finding our joy in the midst of it all.

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2.1: The S14 Gag Reel: Can We Say Those Things On This Podcast? Sep 30, 2019

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Chrisha and Catherine are back with an EPIC podcast that was so long they had to break it up into three (yes, three) different parts, which will all be released this week! In this first part, they are fangirling HARD about the Supernatural Season 14 gag reel! Take a listen for lots of giggles and for discussion about the fun atmosphere on Supernatural's set, the cast's rejection of toxic masculinity, and how difficult they made it for Chrisha and Catherine to keep this episode PG (engorged orgons, anyone?).
Check back Wednesday for a more serious conversation about Supernatural Day, tipping points, and grieving, and Friday for some seriously in-depth analysis of the glorious S15 poster!

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1: Endings Are Hard Sep 27, 2019

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In the very first episode of The Fangirl Business, Chrisha and Catherine discuss "The Announcement," the fallout from San Diego Comic Con and the SPN cast's Hall H appearance, and what we're hoping this podcast can accomplish. The central theme of it all? None of us are alone as we are coming to terms with the end of Supernatural.

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Promo 4: Jensen's Beard Sep 23, 2019

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Welcome to The Fangirl Business! In this brief promo episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss some of the hard hitting issues this fandom has faced over this year's hell-atus, such as the state of Jensen Ackles' beard... and what it may mean for Dean Winchester in Season 15. *insert dramatic music*

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Promo 3: How We Met Sep 23, 2019

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Welcome to The Fangirl Business! In this brief promo episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss how they met and bonded over Supernatural, and how that friendship ultimately spawned a podcast!

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Promo 2: Who We Are Sep 23, 2019

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Welcome to The Fangirl Business! In this brief promo episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss their educational and professional backgrounds, including what role their expertise will play in their academic fangirling over Season 15. The co-hosts also discuss their Supernatural fandom origin stories, and how they each came to find their home within the #SPNFamily.

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Promo 1: San Diego Comic Con Sep 23, 2019

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Welcome to The Fangirl Business! In this brief promo episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss why they chose to begin recording the podcast before Season 15 airs, and how the fandom reaction (and their own!) to San Diego Comic Con influenced the timing and tone of the project.

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