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    Odds on Open

    Conversations with leading thinkers on trading and investing.
    Hosted by Ethan Kho.
    Produced by Patrick Kho.

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    Ex-Goldman MD: "Credit Markets Move in Step Functions" Oct 08, 2026
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    Geoffrey Williams spent more than a decade at Goldman Sachs, where he traded structured products through the 2008 financial crisis and later co-ran the CMBS trading business. In this episode of Odds on Open, he takes Ethan Kho inside the Goldman mortgage desk as Bear Stearns and Lehman collapsed. He explains how banks sold tens of billions of super senior protection on ABS CDOs for 10 basis points a year, and what it was like to trade TABX and ABS CDOs as AAA paper repriced from basis points to points upfront. He also breaks down how conduit CMBS is structured and tranched, why commercial real estate moves in cycles across malls, office, and life science, and how post-GFC capital rules pushed securitized credit risk off dealer balance sheets and onto hedge funds.Geoffrey now runs 1543 Capital LP, an opportunistic structured finance hedge fund, with a co-CIO who came from Brevan Howard. The fund focuses on end-of-life CMBS, residential solar ABS, and other dislocated credit. He walks through how he underwrites a CMBS bond loan by loan, when desktop tools like Google Earth are enough and when you need to see the property, and how he sizes positions to survive unknown unknowns while targeting mid-teens unlevered returns. The conversation also covers hedging macro tail risk from deficits, rates, and AI disruption, how populist politics and the proposed California wealth tax shape his real estate exposure, luck versus skill in finance careers, thinking in bets as an entrepreneur, and the biggest mistake structured credit PMs make: forgetting that credit markets move in step functions.


    Ex-Lehman Trader: AI Won't Give You Edge Oct 01, 2026
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    Checkout Flux 4.0 here: https://www.flux.live/flux4/index.html

    In this episode of Odds on Open, Alpaca Co-Founder and CEO Yoshi Yokokawa breaks down the changing microstructure of systematic trading, the democratization of quantitative R&D, and why AI agents alone will never grant you a defensible market edge. As LLMs compress strategy iteration and backtesting feedback loops, the traditional line between retail quants and institutional fund managers continues to blur. Yoshi shares high-signal data from Alpaca’s API platform—tracking a 4x explosion in active algorithmic developers—and explains why execution discipline, behavioral risk control, and operational frameworks remain the true drivers of alpha in liquid markets.The conversation dives deep into the structural economics of modern asset management, analyzing the recent surge of YC-backed AI hedge funds, the reality of competing against multi-manager scale, and why top-tier trading firms spend aggressively on compute. Drawing from his background as a former trader at Lehman Brothers and his journey building global brokerage infrastructure, Yoshi explores the rise of entity-based solopreneurs, tokenized equities, and MCP-ready financial services. Whether you are a portfolio manager, quant developer, or market allocator, this episode provides actionable frameworks for handling strategy recalibration through regime shifts and cultivating defensibility in an increasingly commoditized financial landscape.


    Retail Trader vs. Hedge Fund Manager: Where Is the Real Alpha? Sep 24, 2026
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    Checkout Flux 4.0 here: https://www.flux.live/flux4/index.html Chris Camillo and Tom Costello go head-to-head on Odds on Open's first every debate episode. They answer a question every trader eventually confronts: who is actually better positioned to take risk — a concentrated retail investor with no LPs, mandates, or career risk, or an institutional hedge fund manager with a two-and-twenty product to protect? Chris, who compounded $20K into roughly $80 million over 18 years using his "social arb" strategy, argues that a 50–70% drawdown is rational inside a properly bucketed, levered, long-horizon risk account. Tom, a former Tudor, Moore, and Caxton PM who now runs a market-neutral fund targeting ~20% annual returns with a 1.4% peak drawdown, counters with the Pareto distribution of hedge fund and day-trader returns, the beta-versus-alpha logic behind institutional portfolio construction, and why allocators refuse to pay for beta they can get on margin themselves. Along the way they debate 3x leveraged S&P ETFs and the hidden roll and theta costs inside them, "too big to fail" AI concentration, the Situational Awareness blowup, crypto's 98% correlation trap, and why overfit backtests stopped landing in Tom's inbox.The second half is a live stress test of social arb as an edge: Chris walks through the Beacon Roofing hailstorm trade built on Google Trends, the Hunger Games and Stranger Things trades built on conversational data, and the e.l.f. Cosmetics trade triggered by a single Jeffree Star video that no sell-side cosmetics analyst had seen. Tom critiques it as an institutional money manager — alpha decay, crowding, discretionary-desk constraints, and whether Citadel plus LLMs will systematize TikTok sentiment before retail's information asymmetry is arbitraged away. If you care about risk management, leverage, position sizing, uncorrelated returns, alternative data, market microstructure, and where retail traders still hold a structural advantage over multi-manager pod shops, this episode is for you.


    Ex-IMC Semiconductors Quant: AI Is Good Enough to Beat the S&P 500 Sep 17, 2026
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    Lihong Wang spent his career as a discretionary options trader at IMC, one of the world's largest market makers, trading semiconductor volatility on names like Nvidia, AMD, and Broadcom. In this episode, he breaks down how a prop trading desk actually makes money: reading order flow to identify counterparties, trading against structured product hedging flows from Asian banks, warehousing benign risk instead of externalizing it, and why correlation blowups — like the DeepSeek selloff and July's deleveraging cascade — are how options market makers get hurt. He explains why the seat at a top trading firm is one of the most leveraged information positions in markets, how firms like IMC, Jane Street, SIG, and HRT train and allocate quant trader talent, and what separates market making from prediction.Now the founder of Freeport, a YC-backed perpetual futures exchange, Lihong shares his AI investing thesis: why he holds a 2x levered portfolio of 50 stocks across the entire AI and semiconductor supply chain — from TSMC and ASML to optics, connectivity, and memory names like SK Hynix — and why nearly every quant trader he knows is doing the same. We cover how narratives move from private conversations to Twitter to Bloomberg (and where the edge dies), Leopold Aschenbrenner's Situational Awareness fund, whether AI is a dot-com-style bubble, Kelly criterion leverage sizing, the future of perp DEXs like Hyperliquid, and how young people should think about risk, career moats, and personal brand in the age of AI. Essential listening for hedge fund analysts, quants, options traders, and anyone trading the AI supply chain.


    Hedge Fund Manager Alix Pasquet: How Small Funds Can Outsmart Multi-Managers Sep 11, 2026
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    Checkout Flux 4.0 here: https://www.flux.live/flux4/index.html Alix Pasquet, hedge fund manager and Managing Partner at Prime Macaya Capital, breaks down how fundamental investors build durable edge in modern markets. In this episode, Alix explains the three sources of competitive advantage in the investment business — analytical, informational, and behavioral — and why exploiting group behavior beats behavioral finance checklists. He covers what he learned inside a top quant fund (data scrubbing, transaction costs, temporal stops), how smaller hedge funds compete against multi-manager pods like Citadel and Millennium, and his full idea generation process: investor networks, 13F tracking, thematic collisions, and the customer-investor mismatch. He also makes the contrarian case for technical analysis as a behavioral tool, explains why moats and chart strength are connected, and shares why buying stocks at new highs beats bottom-fishing in a post-2022 market.Later in the conversation, Alix delivers a warning on AI in investing: why over-reliance on AI tools will produce the worst portfolio managers of the next decade, the five core analytical skills every analyst must protect (pattern recall, visualization, reading between the lines, leap of judgment, synthesis), and how to become a "bionic" investor who combines analog training with digital tools. He closes with career advice for young analysts and aspiring PMs — building a personal moat, the power pair concept, network as competitive advantage, and applying margin of safety to your personal life. Essential listening for hedge fund analysts, portfolio managers, long-short equity investors, and anyone pursuing a career in active management, stock picking, or the hedge fund industry.


    ⁠Greed Makes Markets: Market Making From First Principles With an HFT Quant Sep 03, 2026
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    How does market making actually work? In this lecture, former high-frequency trader Annanay Kapila (Flow Traders, Tower Research Capital; founder & CEO of QFEX) breaks down the mechanics of market making from first principles. He maps the systematic trading landscape—prop trading vs hedge funds, HFT vs mid-frequency—and explains why market making sits in the high-Sharpe, proprietary quadrant. You'll learn how a central limit order book (CLOB) works, how arbitrage-free pricing pins down fair value (theo), and why the mid-price between best bid and best ask is the market's best estimate of a stock's true price.From there, the lecture gets into the real edge mechanics: quoting around fair value, edge per share, queue priority, and adverse selection—the hidden cost that punishes market makers when their fair value model is wrong. Annanay walks through how competition between market makers compresses the bid-offer spread, why thick books (large-cap US equities trading $10B+ a day) offer lower transaction costs than thin books, and how quant firms size their quotes based on confidence in their fair value models. Essential viewing for aspiring quants, traders, MFE students, and anyone who wants to understand market microstructure, liquidity provision, and how high-frequency trading firms actually make money.


    22-Year-Old Hedge Fund Manager: “Hedge funds are the least sexy business in the world” Aug 27, 2026
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    Checkout Flux 4.0 here: https://www.flux.live/flux4/index.html Noah Kann is 22, running his third firm, and managing capital raised from some of the wealthiest families in America. On this episode of Odds on Open, Ethan Kho sits down with the co-CEO of Venari Asset Management to unpack what a 22-year-old hedge fund manager knows that 20-year Wall Street veterans miss: why running a hedge fund is the least sexy business in finance, why compliance and a well-written PPM are an emerging manager's competitive advantage, and why complacency, not inexperience, is the real driver of alpha decay. Noah walks through his path from buying HCA at $15 during the COVID drawdown at 16, to a leveraged crypto trading firm at 17, to launching SageTech Capital at 19, and explains how behavioral finance and studying past cycles like the Great Depression substitute for market reps he hasn't lived through.The conversation then moves into Venari's macro discretionary playbook: trading government intervention and defense spending, a top-down process that turns a geopolitical thesis into a position, non-consensus indicators like data-center HVAC suppliers, and how the firm handles crowded trades and momentum with hard stops, max drawdown limits, and disciplined profit-taking. Noah breaks down the multi-strategy structure across long/short equity, LEAPS options, and ETF baskets, explains why mindfulness is the single most important risk control for a discretionary macro fund, and shares what family offices actually diligence when an emerging manager raises capital — stewardship, lockups, and the next generation. The episode closes on what people miss about Jane Street, SIG, and WorldQuant, hiring for rate of improvement over credentials, pod-shop culture, and why differentiated inputs produce differentiated returns. Essential listening for hedge fund analysts, PMs, quants, allocators, emerging managers, and MFE and MBA students building an edge in liquid markets.


    He Started a Quant Fund in His Dorm. Now He's Building the Brokerage for Everything. Aug 21, 2026
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    Checkout Flux 4.0 here: https://www.flux.live/flux4/index.html Lucas Schuermann started a market-neutral quant fund in his Columbia dorm room, trading stat arb across FX and early crypto markets, before dropping out to scale it into Q Capital. In this episode of Odds on Open, he breaks down how he electronified Genesis Trading's OTC desk as VP of Engineering — taking a phone-and-Telegram trading operation to a fully electronic market-making system with HFT execution — and why flow, capital, and trust are the real moats in market making, not speed. He explains the biggest misconception about HFT firms and market makers like Jane Street, Jump, and Citadel Securities, and why having flow and economies of scale matters more than latency.Lucas then dives into building Variational, first as a crypto prop shop trading DeFi and OTC derivatives, and now as one of the largest on-chain perps trading platforms — a broker-like model with zero-fee trading, aggregated liquidity, and a new swaps instrument that fixes the funding rate problem with perpetual futures. We cover perps vs swaps vs spot mechanics, total return swaps, internal vs external market makers, RWA perps, and why he believes the cypherpunks already won. Plus: how to identify trends worth riding using growth-curve data, why asset prices are uncorrelated with industry durability, how to build expertise in a technical domain fast, and the role of hubris in career differentiation for young quants, traders, and founders.


    Inside the Billionaire-Backed Prediction Markets Hedge Fund Aug 13, 2026
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    Checkout Flux 4.0 here: https://www.flux.live/flux4/index.htmlCamilo Saravia is the founder of BlueWalker Capital, a systematic hedge fund trading prediction markets — and possibly the only fund dedicated exclusively to the asset class. Backed by Daniel Howard, son of Brevan Howard co-founder Alan Howard, Camilo breaks down how the fund prints alpha across taker and maker strategies, reflexive vs. proactive pricing, and why event contracts carry different adverse selection and binary risk than equities. He makes the contrarian case that insider flow is a feature, not a bug — the mechanism that makes prediction markets a money-backed source of truth — and maps where systematic edge actually comes from: proprietary order book and on-chain fill data, vertical integration, execution speed, and a team hungry enough to make unit economics work in a market Citadel and Jane Street won't touch.The back half is a blueprint for launching an emerging fund from scratch: underwriting talent, hiring quants who turn down Citadel and Wintermute offers, missionaries vs. mercenaries, and why speed is a startup fund's structural edge. Camilo details his research philosophy — collapsing internet entropy into tradable signal, mining exotic alternative data from TikTok virality to Spotify streams, and applying a venture-style lens to price what markets can't: unstructured data, operational KPIs, and execution quality. The episode closes with prediction markets 101 — order books, market microstructure, narrative risk, and why the best trades exit at 50 rather than waiting for resolution on Polymarket — plus how to build durable personal edge as AI commoditizes technical skills. Essential listening for quants, PMs, traders, allocators, and anyone tracking prediction markets as the next institutional asset class.


    World's #1 Oil Hedge Fund Manager: How I Made 200% While Everyone Lost 60% Aug 06, 2026
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    Checkout Flux 4.0 here: https://www.flux.live/flux4/index.htmlJosh Young (Bison Capital) on Energy Alpha, Deep Value, and Activism in Small-Cap Oil & Gas: Josh Young runs a concentrated, long-only public equities energy fund that's up 200% since inception while the energy sector is down 60% — a spread he calls a statistical impossibility. In this episode, Josh breaks down the process behind that outperformance: why he screens for large discounts to liquidation value and third-party reserve appraisals, how being chairman of a public E&P rewired his view of oil and gas as a capital allocation business, and why returns on invested capital and inflection points matter more than static free cash flow yields. He explains why he refuses to short stocks, how he sizes positions across speculative, medium, and high-conviction buckets, and why deleveraging setups — companies going from 4x debt/EBITDA to under 1x — have driven the bulk of his idiosyncratic returns. He also walks through the Abqaiq attack in real time as an example of why almost nobody has edge on short-term crude direction.The conversation goes deep on where alpha actually lives in energy markets: activist campaigns and proxy fights in small-cap E&Ps, co-investment vehicles for concentrated activist positions, the principal-agent problem that keeps allocators, endowments, and ESG-constrained institutions out of oil and gas, and the Fama-French small-cap illiquidity premium that makes an out-of-favor sector fertile ground. Josh discusses CTA and commitment-of-traders positioning as a timing input, energy's collapse to 4% of the S&P 500 versus a four-decade average above 10%, the long-cycle case for $250 oil, and why finding public-but-undisseminated data in state and provincial filings still produces real edge. He closes on the limits of AI in fundamental energy research, why oil companies bragging about AI-driven operations tend to underperform, and what most energy traders get wrong about left-tail risk, volatility, and buying the fundamentals instead of the macro. Essential viewing for hedge fund analysts, portfolio managers, commodity traders, allocators, and anyone studying deep value investing, portfolio construction, and edge in liquid markets.


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