Money Stuff: The Podcast

Kinda Spooky: META, AI, TSLA Oct 31, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss Halloween costumes, AI capital spending, hybrid financing, K-cup JVs, investment grade private credit, the metaverse (?!?), the OpenAI reorganization, OpenAI capital needs and governance, Elon Musk’s pay package, Tesla succession and getting cut off at the JPMorgan office pub.

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Indoor Cat: JPM, AI, 777 Oct 24, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss JPMorgan’s new headquarters, in-office pubs, in-office gyms, the JPMorgan District, specialist fine-tuning of AI models, pls fix memes, crushing investment banking analysts’ hopes and dreams, the craft of building LBO models, credit cockroaches and indirect lending.

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No Nap Rooms: Credit, Peace, 24X Oct 17, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss late-cycle credit accidents, dancing while the music plays, banks vs. private credit, the Nobel Peace Prize, institutional-grade prediction markets, 23-hour-a-day stock trading, picking off drunks at 3 a.m., digesting news outside of market hours, windows of liquidity and the rhythm of being a human.

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How the Snake Dies: ICE, AMD, ARKK Oct 10, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss finance book parties, the ICE/Polymarket deal, understanding and pricing the future, the Grossman-Stiglitz paradox, prediction-market spillovers, sports quants, tokenization, the OpenAI/AMD deal, discounting the AI future, AI pricing power, Cathie Wood’s emotional maturity, the ETF ecosystem and the Midnight Madness puzzle hunt.

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Loads of Vultures: Funds, Agents, Bets Oct 03, 2025

Matt and Katie discuss multistrategy hedge funds, talent sieves, agents vs. headhunters, hedge fund managers' sense of their market value, agents for AI researchers, same-game parlays, sportsbook market structure and football betting ETFs.

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This Is Weird: A Mailbag Episode Sep 26, 2025

Matt and Katie discuss reader mail about tungsten cubes, monthly financial reporting, long-term levered ETFs, the shrinking public markets, betting on onion prices, betting on stock prices, limiting sharp bets, missing expectations and bonds being stupid.

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Chaos Factor: ARKF, 10Q, 10% Sep 19, 2025

Matt and Katie discuss ARK heartbeat (?) trades, IPO allocations, ETFs as widgets, quarterly earnings, barriers to going public, structured notes, installment index puts and Katie’s vacation plans.

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A Wounded Lion or a Beaten Mule: HF, TSLA, FOTSBA Sep 12, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss the career advantages of losing a billion dollars, wounded lions, hedge fund comp structures and stock prices, Elon Musk’s comp structure, reasons for Tesla to invest in xAI, the New York City mayoral race, insider trading on prediction markets and Polymarket coming home.

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Voluntary Nudge Nudge: IEEPA, TROW, FX Sep 05, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss the taxation power, IEEPA, tariff refunds, government revenue sharing, voluntary tariffs, alternative/traditional asset manager partnerships, Goldman buying a little bit of T. Rowe, private assets in target-date funds, deal-contingent hedges, private equity becoming the main clients of investment banks (and hedge funds).

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Cool and Fun for Capital Markets Nerds: Tayvis, MSTR, IPO Aug 29, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss Taylor Swift, dating podcasters, the betting markets/financial markets convergence, commodity insider trading, a magical money printing machine, weird preferred stocks, the crypto treasury boom, Money Stuff’s effect on academic tenure, IPO pops, private company pops and security-based swaps.

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Dinosaur Bone Treasury Company: A Mailbag Episode Aug 15, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss reader questions about Blooming Onion futures, IPO pops, alternative treasury companies, sports bar hedging, no-penalty CDs, spirit securities, “internet personality” as a career and news anchor vocal training.

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Tellers in Dallas: TSLA, FD, PE Aug 08, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss Matt's vacation plans, Elon Musk's propensity to ruin them, Musk's new good-faith payment from Tesla, his work schedule, Tesla as a car company vs. Tesla as the future of life, Regulation FD, tone and body language, hedge funds vs. long-only investors, retail corporate access, on-cycle recruiting and the heat death of the universe.

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Matt Levine Ripped My Face Off: CEF, FX, A Aug 01, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss retail private assets, offsetting unicorn closed-end funds, Matt’s infrequent trading in his personal account, FX derivatives, unsophisticated clients, limited upside with unlimited downside, hurricanes, never-pay insurance policies and a call for mailbag questions.

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Relevant Markets Content: KSS, 351, QQQ Jul 25, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss bird gender reveal parties, meme stocks, short squeezes, AI as a distillation of human wisdom, dispersion trades, ETF tax efficiency, heartbeats, everything will be a tokenized ETF, the Qs, ETF marketing budgets and the rule against perpetuities.

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Horse Barn: HVAC, Windsurf, Vanguard Jul 18, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss search funds, post-MBA career paths, Katie’s future in horse barn ownership, search-fund flips, the Windsurf quasi-acqui-hire deal, Vanguard and Strategy, the function of index funds, owning the global financial portfolio and Perching Square Capital Management’s closed-end fund.

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Sports: India, TSLA, Kalshi Jul 11, 2025

Katie and Matt talk about dreams, Jane Street's Indian options trade, XAI, Tesla governance, sports gambling and prediction markets.

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Gappy Paleologo Jul 04, 2025

Katie and Matt talk with Gappy Paleologo of Balyasny Asset Management about gardening leave, what makes a good quant researcher, factor models, the social function of hedge funds, AI and journalists as portfolio managers.

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Catastrophe in the Name: ETF, Trades, AI Jun 27, 2025

Matt and Katie discuss Boomer-candy ETFs, autocallables, private-credit trading, volatility laundering and Mark Zuckerberg's hiring spree.

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Cliff Asness Jun 20, 2025

Matt and Katie talk with their guest, Cliff Asness of AQR, about momentum, meme stocks, value, market timing, publishing, academics, explaining factors, how much to charge for alpha, private assets and machine learning.

You can also watch this episode on YouTube.

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Smack-ish: MSTR, PE, MFT Jun 13, 2025

Matt and Katie discuss the Michael Saylor vs. Jim Chanos debate, financial gibberish, the mid-2000s federal clerkship hiring plan, private equity recruiting and mid-frequency trading.

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Learn to Perch: WFC, BBB, TOPS Jun 06, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss Wells Fargo’s asset cap, credit ratings conflicts of interest, private credit controversies in the insurance business, why BBB- is the best rating, Main Line real estate prices, Marshall Wace, hiring cheaters at hedge funds and signals from the sell side.

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What Growing Starlings Need: USCIT, GSEs, SBET May 30, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss Katie’s new bird, the legality of tariffs, the TACO trade, rooting for the nondelegation doctrine, implicit guarantees, the money to be made if Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are re-privatized, stuffing Bitcoins into public companies and owning the global financial asset portfolio.

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Midnight Madness: Ryan Patch and Jon Seale May 23, 2025

Katie and Matt talk with Ryan Patch and Jon Seale of Great Gotham Challenge about building puzzle hunts for the hedge fund manager who has everything.

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Full of Mirth: 401(k), Clubs, TSLA May 16, 2025

Matt and Katie discuss leveraging up your 401(k), everyone's love for putting private credit into retirement accounts, mortgages versus margin loans, college finance clubs, travel sports and how to get Elon Musk paid.

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A Broad Church: BRK/A, OpenAI, Medicaid May 09, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss Warren Buffett's retirement, his successor at Berkshire Hathaway, his other successor (Bill Ackman), OpenAI's restructuring, Sam Altman's incentives and Medicaid provider taxes.

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Visionary Kibbitzer: TSLA, X, KKR May 02, 2025

Matt and Katie talk about what Tesla is, splitting the roles of CEO and Technoking, the Musk attention auction, the benefits of not paying attention to X debt prices, and why everyone likes private assets.

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Reptile Brain: ???, GS, XXI Apr 25, 2025

Matt and Katie talk general craziness, tariffs, Jerome Powell, volatility and predictability, plus Goldman pay, alts managers versus banks, Twenty One and negative Bitcoin per share.

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One Horse at a Time: A Mailbag Episode Apr 18, 2025

Matt and Katie answer reader questions about law firm IPOs, cyber horses, private credit marketplaces, S&P 500 basis ETFs, the option value of personal bankruptcy, names for children/horses/ETFs and ETFs of BDCs.

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Awkward Pauses: Tariffs, Basis, Leverage Apr 11, 2025

Matt and Katie discuss fake tariff tweets, real tariff Truths, swaps, futures, basis trades and and ETF for shorting leveraged ETFs.

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Finders Keepers: IPO, XAI, Subs Apr 04, 2025

Matt and Katie do not discuss tariffs but do discuss meme stock mini-IPOs, the stablecoin business, adult custodians of T-bills, booping some Circle coins, valuing X and xAI, X/xAI synergies, other possible Musk mergers, buying Tesla stock in order to complain about Elon Musk, and what we would do if someone gave us $7 million by mistake.

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Land Rich: EDR, KKR, SPAX.PVT Mar 28, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss the Endeavor deal, Carl Icahn, dodging brokers' phone calls, strategic holdings, a baby Berkshire boom, Katie's contact lens reorder, reinvesting crypto winnings in land, real-time-ish private stock prices, OpenAI's lack of stock volatility and distracting stock prices.

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Unbundled Advice: A Mailbag Episode Mar 21, 2025

Matt and Katie answer reader questions about the quality of cocoa beans, who picks the loans in private credit ETFs, whether everything is stupid now, how to work quant hedge fund money laundering into your novel and how to save on financial advisor fees.

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American Dream: EDR, BIS, PILOT Mar 14, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss appraisal arbitrage, fighting and wrestling, official worries about private credit liquidity and indoor skiing in New Jersey.

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Audible Frustration: C, ME, ETF Mar 07, 2025

Matt and Katie discuss Citigroup's fat fingers and confusing computer screen, 23andMe's troubles, serial-killer cousins, ETF sales practices and taking a holistic view of customer service.

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Funny Business Is My Business: PRIV, HHH, WARS Feb 28, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss Apollo and State Street's private credit exchange-traded fund launch, Bill Ackman's efforts to build his own Berkshire Hathaway, and memecoins as bankruptcy bidding currency.

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Bespokeness: AI, Passthrough, UST Feb 14, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss the fighting over OpenAI, paying for hedge funds' photocopies, whether hedge funds are worth it or you should just buy buffer ETFs, and Microsoft vs. Treasuries.

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Another Great Convergence: 7bps, APO, HOOD Feb 07, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss Vanguard's big mutual fund fee cut, plans for private credit trading and the one glorious day when you could bet on the Pro Football Championship in your brokerage app.

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A Lineless World: AI, X, Darkness Jan 31, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss the DeepSeek shock, AI and GDP, Elon Musk's X buyout debt, trading in the dark and double levered Melaniacoin ETFs.

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Messing With Models: Vanguard, Buffers, Two Sigma Jan 24, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss a Vanguard tax oopsie, buffered Bitcoin ETFs, crypto utility, and a hedge fund model calibration oopsie.

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Plant Some Petunias: Hindenburg, 360, ESG Jan 17, 2025

Matt and Katie discuss how hard it is to make money as a short-focused researcher, how not to get the best rate on a savings account, and whether ESG is about doing good or doing well.

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Sick and Aging Trees: GSE, MBA, ICE Jan 10, 2025

Katie and Matt discuss the return of the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac trade, a business school class project that came true in real life, and taking cocoa out of commodity exchange warehouses.

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Unfeasibly Tanned for This Time of Year: A Mailbag Episode Jan 03, 2025

Katie and Matt answer reader questions about their paths into the world of finance, goth closing bell ceremonies, government insider trading, buying shares of other people's houses, "body language," the maximum number of ETFs and Martha Stewart.

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Half Backronym: PISCES, ACI, MSTR Dec 20, 2024

Katie and Matt discuss insider trading in private companies, the process of generating financial acronyms, supermarket antitrust, the grand reopening party of a Kings supermarket in New Jersey, and MicroStrategy's index inclusion, convertible bonds, and whole deal.

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Thin Gruel: Tetrahedron, Target, Firing Dec 13, 2024

Katie and Matt talk about levels of financial celebrity, The Onion's efforts to buy Infowars out of bankruptcy, whether DEI is securities fraud, and committing insider trading after getting fired.

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Good Conspiracy: ESG, Assemblies, HPS Dec 06, 2024

Katie and Matt discuss whether index funds are illegal, whether ESG investing leads to cartel-like profits, whether jury duty for index fund investors is a good idea and whether we are in a golden age for selling private credit firms.

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Chickenization: An Odd Lots Crossover Nov 29, 2024

Katie and Matt sit down with Tracy Alloway and Joe Weisenthal, hosts of the Odd Lots podcast, to discuss their new series on the chicken industry, Ray Dalio’s connection to McNuggets, cheap protein, the Victorian chicken bubble, factory farming and Chicken Libor.

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Perpetual Motion Machine: Adani, MSTR, OSTK Nov 22, 2024

Matt and Katie discuss the Adani bribery charges, the future of FCPA enforcement, MicroStrategy's Bitcoin strategy and the technology and legality of short squeezes.

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Generous Portion: FTC, CMG, ETF Nov 15, 2024

Matt and Katie talk about merger arbitrage, affordable luxury handbags, burrito bowl sizing, securities fraud and double Warren Buffett.

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Garlic Cartel: Markets, Credit, Code Nov 08, 2024

Matt and Katie discuss the price of garlic, anticompetitive price disclosure, the private credit gold rush and (allegedly) downloading quant models and fleeing the country.

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Public Breakups: Polymarket, Taxes, SMCI Nov 01, 2024

Katie and Matt talk on Halloween about what election market prices might mean, how to defer taxes and Super Micro's auditors resigning in a huff.

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Some Cigarettes: Accreditation, Memes, Naughty ESG Oct 25, 2024

Katie and Matt discuss taking tests to buy risky investments, growing up from meme stocks to boring retirement investing, and what happens when ESG funds smoke the occasional cigarette.

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John Collison Oct 18, 2024

Matt and Katie talk with their first guest, John Collison, the co-founder and president of Stripe, about the financial services business, why payments are hard, what's good about crypto, why IPOs don't matter and how to fly planes.

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Technically a Horse: ETF, ETF, ETF Oct 11, 2024

Katie and Matt discuss large ponies, small horses, puzzle hunts, portfolio trading, Jane Street’s lack of a CEO, tax deferral, covered calls and yieldmaxxing.

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Men's Haircuts: SATS, FLUT, APO Oct 04, 2024

Katie and Matt discuss bond haircuts, literal haircuts, sports gambling, single-stock 0dte gambling and private assets in retirement accounts.

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Money Has No Meaning: OpenAI, AIWB, WWJD Sep 27, 2024

Katie and Matt discuss nonprofits, capped-profits, for-profits, chatbot brokers, chatbot ETFs and biblically responsible investing.

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Modular Cat Trees: A Mailbag Episode Sep 20, 2024

Katie and Matt answer reader questions about private markets being the new public markets, SEC fines, writing big stories, Icahn/Ackman activism, anti-leveraged ETFs, fake M&A, cat-based businesses, broker-dealers, naked shorts and our families' Money Stuff consumption.

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Calm Knuckles: SEC, ETF, SPOT Sep 13, 2024

Katie and Matt discuss SEC cell phone location data, private credit ETFs, and having robots make fake songs for the streaming revenue.

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Fruitcakes and Nutcases: ETF, ATIC, DJT Sep 06, 2024

Katie and Matt discuss single-stock leveraged ETFs, insurance for taxis and Florida real estate, the Trump Media lockup, and whether there are more readers of Money Stuff or Truth Social. Also, there will be a mailbag episode so we want good mailbag questions.

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Pick Up the Phone: Shorts, PSUS, BLS Aug 30, 2024

Katie and Matt discuss short selling disclaimers, how to sell a closed-end fund and calling up the government to get payroll revisions.

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Hurt People Hurt People: SBUX, LMEs, BofA Aug 16, 2024

A between-vacations episode in which Katie and Matt discuss Starbucks's new CEO, the capital solutions business, banking hours and being a horse.

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Guy on Twitter: PSUS, Left, ETFs Aug 02, 2024

Matt and Katie discuss Pershing Square USA's IPO, Citron Research's short-and-distort charges, bond market liquidity, and Katie's trip to Paris to watch running.

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All the Biggest Tombstones: M&A, ETF, Mailbag Jul 26, 2024

Katie and Matt discuss fees for mergers and acquisitions, private assets in ETFs, liquidity mismatches, and reader questions about asset-manager parties, poker staking and finite alpha.

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Don’t Hate the Player: DJT, Bets, Funds Jul 19, 2024

Katie and Matt discuss Trump Media’s stock sale, people who are too good at sports betting and stock trading, and single-stock private funds.

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Blood Farming: Purdue Pharma, empty voting and frozen heads Jul 12, 2024

Katie and Matt discuss nonconsensual third-party releases, what comes next for the Oxycontin bankruptcy, empty voting in proxy fights, and writing your future clone into your will. Also we tease Katie's sci-fi novel and introduce a new member of Matt's family.

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Just Keep Bidding: MMTLP, PE, ETFs Jun 28, 2024

Katie and Matt discuss short squeezes past, present and future, interviewing for private equity jobs two years in advance, and how if you want to own stock but with less risk, you can just sell some of your stock.

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Xs and Os: Trader U, VORB, QXO Jun 21, 2024

Katie and Matt discuss auditing classes at portfolio manager school, getting on television by pretending to buy public companies, and how to make a few billion dollars by rolling up the building products distribution industry.

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Uncatchable Mouse Jigglers: TSLA, PARA, WFC WFH Jun 14, 2024

Matt and Katie discuss Elon's big payday (maybe), Paramount's lost deal and Wells Fargo's vice president of screen monitoring.

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Equities in Secaucus: TXSE, PSUS, GME Jun 07, 2024

Matt and Katie discuss a new stock exchange in Texas (and also New Jersey), Bill Ackman's multiple public offerings and what Roaring Kitty is up to.

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T+Lunchtime: Settlement, Musk, Hwang May 31, 2024

Matt and Katie discuss the move to T+1 stock settlement, Elon Musk's pay vote, Bill Hwang's trial and a fat finger trade.

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Bad Monday: Shrimp, Fingers, Brains May 24, 2024

Matt and Katie discuss Red Lobster's shrimpy bankruptcy, Citi's software design and unconscious investing.

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Bets Are Off: DFV, BUIDL, CFTC May 17, 2024

Katie and Matt discuss the return of meme stocks, a money market fund on the blockchain, events contracts and whether the Oscars are rigged.

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Fun Shiny Object: FTX, Public, ETFs May 10, 2024

Katie and Matt talk about the FTX bankruptcy, public versus private markets, single-stock ETFs and floating on pudding.

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Money Failed!: Death bets, Paramount and Archegos May 03, 2024

Katie and Matt discuss life insurance, murder, the Paramount merger limbo, Bill Hwang's case, how much an ounce of gold weighs, buying a bank with a credit card and dentistry.

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Goblin Hours: 24/7, FTC, Gold Apr 26, 2024

Katie and Matt discuss waking up at 3 a.m. to trade stocks, the possible end of gardening leave, and buying gold at Costco with your credit card.

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[Beeeep] $: Elon, Jane Street, Hunterbrook Apr 19, 2024

Matt and Katie discuss Elon Musk's pay package, trading trade secrets, the joys and perils of gardening leave, a hedge fund that is also a newspaper, and a real life doped Olympics.

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Law is Law: DXYZ, MNGO, BLS Apr 12, 2024

For their very first episode, Katie and Matt discuss a hot fund for private stocks, a clever/illegal DeFi trade and super users of government data. Also there's some fake Cormac McCarthy.

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Introducing: Money Stuff: The Podcast Mar 27, 2024

Matt Levine and Katie Greifeld talk Wall Street, finance, and other stuff.

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