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    Working Drummer

    With 500 episodes and counting, Working Drummer Podcast is the source for those interested in what it’s like to be a professional drummer. Hosted by Matthew Crouse and Zack Albetta, Working Drummer covers it all with a dynamic range of pro drummers who represent many different genres and scenes. Each weekly interview features a different performer, sometimes with a less recognizable name, but always with an impressive and distinct body of work. This unique approach has garnered a loyal audience hungry for unfiltered stories about making a living as a musician today.

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    177 – Isabelle De Leon: The DC Scene, A Journey Into and Out of Jazz, Gender Politics in Music Jul 19, 2018
    Show notes

    Isabelle De Leon grew up in the Washington, DC area in a musical family. Her father instilled a love of music in all his daughters and for awhile, Isabelle and her siblings comprised the band Ivy Rose, which made an appearance on America’s Got Talent. She attended The University of Maryland where she delved into jazz for the first time, gravitating to the playing and energy of Tony Williams and his most famous protege, Cindy Blackman. Although she began her freshman year with no jazz training or knowledge whatsoever, she quickly rose through the ranks of the jazz department, and earned a bachelor’s degree in jazz studies. Her main gigs currently are with two synth-pop bands, Prinze George and Paperwhite, and with the DC-base funk/soul band Lionize. She also hosts a Sunday jam session at Pearl Street Warehouse in the popular District Wharf area of Washington.

    In this podcast, Isabelle talks about:


    * Her recent performance with an all-female drumline for “A Capitol Fourth“

    * Ivy Rose’s appearance on America’s Got Talent, and the difficult criticisms that came from it

    * DC’s music scene, “a working musician’s city,” and its musical identity and history from punk to go-go

    * The central part music played in her family and Filipino culture

    * Being the only female in a college jazz department, and the only one with no jazz training

    * Finding her passion for jazz through passion for specific players

    * The male-derived climate that women in music must negotiate, regardless of whether or not they are explicitly victimized

    * Different musical circles’ attitudes towards women and competition

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    176 – Joe Crabtree: Drummer, Educator, Developer, Drumming For Wishbone Ash, Developing Apps (PolyNome), Creating Comprehensive Online Lessons Jul 12, 2018
    Show notes



    Joe Crabtree played his first professional gig at 14 and was teaching by age 15.





    After studying Physics at Durham University (where he spent the majority of his time playing with function bands, small jazz bands and the university big band) he returned to teaching and playing in the North of England for a few years before moving to London to embark on a career as a professional musician.





    He played and recorded with a number of original bands before joining the David Cross (King Crimson) band in 2004. He played shows with David Cross in Japan, Italy, and the UK before leaving to join Pendragon.

    After a couple of European tours with Pendragon including 2 DVD releases he joined classic rock legends Wishbone Ash in 2007 and remains their drummer to the present day.





    His sense of rhythm and melody led to production and and co-writing credits with Elena, the David Cross Band, and Wishbone Ash. Joe co-wrote songs on Wishbone Ash’s “Elegant Stealth” and “Blue Horizon”which he also co-produced.





    In his down time from touring Joe created an online music school – JoeCrabtree.com, as well as an extremely versatile and useful metronome app called the PolyNome.

    He has also helped to redefine how we learn and understand complex odd time signatures with a revolutionary method called the Key Counting Method.

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    In this podcast, Joe talks about:


    * Learning how to write code and developing the PolyNome app

    * Facing and overcoming your fears

    * The many useful features of the PolyNome

    * Drumming for Wishbone Ash

    * Creating content that you enjoy

    * The “Key Counting Method” as a tool to understanding odd time signatures

    * Drumming “vocabulary” as key

    * Cultivating other interests outside of drumming


    Joe endorses: Sonor Drums, Vic Firth Sticks, Zildjian Cymbals and Evans Drumheads


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    175 – Will Groth: Playing in Electric Avenue, Making Atlanta Home, Physical Sustainability Jul 05, 2018
    Show notes

    Will Groth is the drummer for Electric Avenue among other Atlanta-based projects. Electric Avenue bills itself as “The 80s MTV Experience and plays theatres, clubs, and private events nationwide. Will grew up and got his start in Minneapolis, MN, and moved to Atlanta in 2005. He quickly secured himself on the scene working steadily with Mike Geier (a.k.a. Puddles The Clown) for five years, after which he has stayed busy with a variety of rock, blues, and cover projects.

    In this podcast, Will talks about:

    Keeping cover songs at their original tempos

    The surprises and challenges in the drumming of 80s pop

    How he and the band approach getting their sounds and tones right

    Playing in an organ trio with Ike Stubblefield and Grant Green Jr.

    How working his way into the Atlanta scene changed his perspective on music

    Why he always has and always will play traditional grip, and the curiosities of drumming ergonomics

    Finding ways of playing that will be physically sustainable as you age

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    174 – Arjuna “RJ” Contreras: Drumming for The Reverend Horton Heat, Grooving at Fast Tempos, WDP Documenting His First Year in Nashville Jun 28, 2018
    Show notes

    Arjuna Contreras is a drummer/ percussionist based out of Dallas, TX with plans to relocate to Nashville, TN in the fall of 2018. He possesses the uncanny ability to sound equally at home in a wide variety of musical styles including Jazz, Country, R&B, Latin, Rock, and even “Nuclear Polka”! Arjuna is often noted for the energy, soul, and excitement he brings to music both as a performer and an educator.

    As a performer, Arjuna’s experience is vast. He currently records and tours with the Reverend Horton Heat. He has toured nationally with the popular Texas Country band, Eleven Hundred Springs as well as Grammy Award-winners Brave Combo, Donna Summer, and Howard Scott (original lead singer and guitarist for WAR).

    As an educator, Arjuna has taught at Colleyville Heritage High School and its surrounding middle schools since 1996. His duties have included teaching the high school drum line, coaching percussion ensembles, daily teaching of 6th grade percussion classes, as well as giving private lessons to students in 6th through 12th grades. Over the years, his students have garnered top honors at drum line competitions, solo and ensemble contests, and band competitions.

    Arjuna’s drumming can be heard on Eleven Hundred Springs’ recording, Eight the Hard Way. Their song, This Ain’t the First Time, is currently in rotation on many Country music stations in Texas and beyond. He also appears on the song, Belgium Polka, off of RCA/Jive Recording Artists, Bowling for Soup’s latest album, Sorry for Partyin’. Other recent recordings of Arjuna’s include Brave Combo’s album, The Exotic Rocking Life, and Fingerprints’ latest release, Dream Life. Arjuna is also currently working on innovative instructional multimedia materials for drummers.

    In this episode, Arjuna talks about:

    Drumming for The Reverend Horton Heat

    The styes covered and influences of psychobilly

    Subconsciously preparing for future gigs and opportunities

    Leaving a band on good terms

    Redefining the term “chops” to include touch and feel

    Creating a drum solo that entertains the audience

    Keeping a solid feel and groove while performing at fast tempos

    The importance of an online presents

    And, WDP documenting his journey for his first year in Nashville

    Arjuna endorses: Ludwig Drums, Zildjian Cymbals, Remo Drumheads, and Vic Firth Sticks

    This episode is sponsored by Session Ace




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    173 – Brian Hudson: Making a Record as a Leader, The Church Gig, Political Advocacy for Music Jun 21, 2018
    Show notes

    Atlanta-based drummer and studio musician Brian Hudson has performed, toured and recorded a diverse mix of music for various artists for the past 20 years. Hudson grew up in Clearwater, Florida. After high school, he attended The University of South Florida School of Music and later transferred to the University of Georgia and the music town of Athens, Georgia, which provided him with a rich diversity of music opportunities.

    In 2000 Hudson moved to Atlanta, Georgia and immediately started playing and touring with various acts covering a variety of styles from jazz to blues to rock to country. In 2001, he was invited to audition for Capricorn Recording Artist Memory Dean who had gained national success with the release of 6 studio albums. Hudson landed the gig and has performed with Memory Dean as a member of the band ever since. In addition to Memory Dean, Hudson has performed with a variety of other acts including soul/funk/blues band SOULHOUND, The Dave Mathews Cover Band (The DMCB), power pop singer Steve Baskin, smooth jazz artist MADOCA, country artist Thomas Tillman, R&B/Smooth Jazz band Momentum, Johnson Ferry Worship and many others.

    In August 2017, Hudson released his debut jazz/fusion album, NEXT LEVEL, worldwide. The songs blend jazz, jazz/fusion, funk, and Latin with a contemporary jazz underpinning and feature some of the most talented musicians in the southeast. Since its release, NEXT LEVEL has gained attention from radio stations and listeners from all over the world. Brian currently leads his jazz/fusion band Next Level, is a member of former Capricorn Record Artist Memory Dean and performs with various other artists covering a diverse mix of music. In addition, he is an active studio musician in Atlanta and also tracks drums remotely for artists around the world. Brian is on the Advisory Board for Georgia Music Partners and is a voting member of The Recording Academy.

    In this podcast, Brian talks about:

    Wearing all the hats necessary to make a record: Drummer, composer/arranger, engineer, producer, etc.

    Partnering with pianist and composer Randy Hoexter

    The necessity of using promoters and bookers to get a project out into the world

    Playing with Memory Dean

    Setting up profiles on Airgigs and Soundbetter

    His church gig

    His political involvement with state and local government to build music business infrastructure in Georgia

    Brian endorses Sakae Drums, Paiste Cymbals, Regal Tip Drumsticks and Headhunters Creations.

    This episode is sponsored by Session Ace

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    172 – Harry Miree: Building a Successful YouTube Channel, Speaking Your Truth, Separating One’s Self-Worth from the Gig You Have Jun 14, 2018
    Show notes

    Harry Miree is a drummer currently based in Nashville, TN and is the drummer for Ryan Follese of Hot Chelle Rae. Harry will touring the summer of 2018 with Warner Brothers artist Troy Cartwright and indie rock band, Sons Of Bill.

    Harry has built a very entertaining YouTube channel where he covers many topics like The True Life of a Side Musician, Open Handed Techniques, alternatives to playing a Cajon and many other useful videos. Currently, Harry has close to 60,000 subscribers.

    Harry was a founding member of the rock band Boom City, which used the internet as a platform for music and videos. Boom City signed with a major rock label, toured arenas with Panic! at the Disco, and then disbanded. Miree graduated Berklee College of Music and moved to Nashville, securing the spot as touring drummer for recording artist Whitney Wolanin.

    In 2015 he toured with then-Capitol Records artist Joey Hyde, and in 2016 toured with Big Machine artist Levi Hummon. In 2017, Miree toured with LoCash (known for hit songs I Love This Lifeand I Know Somebody), and Clare Bowen, singer/actress known for her role as Scarlett O’Connor on the television show Nashville.

    In this episode, Harry talks about:

    What goes into making YouTube videos that resonate

    Finding your own creative outlet

    Building an audience on your YouTube channel

    Speaking your truth

    Making lifestyle choices to afford a life in music

    Early influences

    Coming through the other side of an attempted suicide

    Trying to separate ones sense of self worth from the gig that you have

    The lessons and strength gained from failures

    Finding the joy and inspiration in music by listening to music!

    Harry endorses: Vic Firth Sticks, Meinle Cymbals, Pearl Drums

    This episode is sponsored by Session Ace

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    171 – Adam Bowman: The Toronto Scene, Playing for Modern Dance, Making Your Playing Emotional Jun 07, 2018
    Show notes

    Drummer/percussionist Adam Bowman has been a mainstay in both the Canadian and international music scenes for nearly two decades. As a touring musician, Adam has been heard on stages across five continents with artists such as Juno-award winners Kellylee Evans and Carlos Morgan, Canadian independent music trail blazer Ember Swift, improvising guru VINX and country-folk songstress Dawn Langstroth, among many others.

    In the studio, Adam has become the drummer of choice for producers and songwriters on dozens of recordings. 2015 saw Juno-nominations for Eccodek’s Singing in Tongues and Alysha Brilla’s Womyn albums. In 2018 Alysha’s Rooted album received another nod.

    Currently, Adam can be heard playing with Elise LeGrow, Alysha Brilla, Jeff Eager and Jason Raso as well as providing accompaniment for modern and contemporary dance classes with IMAGEO artworks, Dancetheatre David Earle and Guelph Dance.

    In this podcast, Adam talks about:

    How saying yes to a seemingly insignificant offer determined the course of his professional and personal life

    Dance concepts that translate to other art forms, and how modern dance principles have made him rethink his drumming approach

    Cultivating long musical relationships with the same people and the same songs, and going deeper into each

    Using the feeling of making music you believe in with people you love as a reference to recreate that emotion in situations where everything is less familiar

    Accessing emotions in music, and letting them inform your musical decisions

    The Toronto scene, and why he lives just outside the city

    How easy it is to get “too comfortable” on a scene

    Adam Bowman endorses Headhunters sticks and Murat Diril cymbals.

    This episode is sponsored by Session Ace.

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    170 – Billy Ward: Creating & Nurturing Your Own Voice, “Practice Playing”, Learning to Judge Yourself Harshly May 31, 2018
    Show notes

    Billy Ward is a Grammy awarded drummer, music educator, recording engineer and producer. Just a few of the people Billy’s Recorded and/or toured with include B. B. King, Robbie Robertson, Carly Simon, Richard Marx, The Knack, Yoko Ono, Joan Osborne, Ace Frehley, Glen Cambell, Art Garfunkel, David Crosby & Jimmy Webb just to name a few. Billy has recorded on more than 50 sound tracks for feature films including a musician’s favorite – That Thing You Do! , where Billy taught actor Tom Everett Scott to play the drums and was on the set as a consultant.

    Two records have been released under Billy’s name. Two Hands Clapping, and The Billy Ward Trio – Out The Door. Billy has been engineering in his private studio, DrumPike, since 1990. Billy has produced numerous drum tracks for famous and not yet famous artists out of DrumPike.

    As an educator, his two instructional DVDs, Big Time ( a Modern Drummers Readers Poll Award winner) and Voices In My Head have won raves from critics as well as fellow drummers. Billy occasionally travels anywhere in the world to play but he LOVES the close contact with students when performing Drum Clinics and Master Classes. His book, “Inside Out – The Mental Aspects of Drumming”, further demonstrates Billy’s ability to clearly explain the difficult challenges that working musicians face.

    In this episode, Billy talks about:

    Money, the arts, and the divide

    The state of the music industry

    His short time and experience in Nashville

    Creating and nurturing your own voice

    Billy’s book: Inside Out

    His lesson with Elvin Jones at 17

    Being concerned with how you are at your worst

    “Practice Playing”

    Giving back to the drumming community

    His DVD’s: Big Time, Voices in My Head & Modern Drummer fest – 2000 & 2008

    Learning to judge yourself harshly

    Recording drums for movie sound tracks

    Billy endorses: Zildjian Cymbals, DW Drums, ProMark sticks, Gator cases

    This episode is sponsored by Session Ace




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    169 – Brandon Goodwin: Leading an Original Jazz Group, Workshopping with Delfeayo Marsalis, The Montreal Scene May 24, 2018
    Show notes

    Brandon Goodwin has lived and worked in Montreal for 12 years. His group, B’s Bees, for which he serves triple duty as drummer, bandleader, and composer, recently released two albums: Dear Charlie, a tribute to the great jazz bassist Charlie Haden, and Kanata, a musical exploration of the history and identity of their home country of Canada. The group is currently touring Canada and the U.S. on the back of these releases.

    Brandon grew up in Armstrong, CA, and chose Montreal as the base of operations for his music career because of its vibrant, art-loving culture, and because its cost of living is actually lower than Vancouver, Toronto, and many comparable American cities. From early in his career, he had a drive to write, perform, and record original music. Drumming is just one aspect of his musical life, as he is usually spending as much if not more time developing himself as a composer and doing the administrative legwork it takes to get an original jazz group in the studio and on the road.

    In this podcast, Brandon talks about:

    What Charlie Haden means to him and the jazz world in general

    The drummers Haden was most associated with, especially Paul Motian, and the influence they had on Brandon

    The subject matter of Kanata

    Traveling to New Orleans to meet with Delfeayo Marsalis and workshop the compositions and recording/producing techniques for the record

    Montreal culture

    His early drumming influences, from Grohl to Bonham to Blakey

    His experience at Concordia University in Montreal

    His thoughts on accessibility vs. expression, as a drummer and composer

    This episode is sponsored by Session Ace.

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    168 – Aaron Comess: Drumming for Spin Doctors & Joan Osborne, New Solo Record: “Sculptures”, Creating a Career that Fits Your Vision May 17, 2018
    Show notes

    Originally from Dallas, Texas, Aaron Comess is an extremely versatile drummer with a wide range of influences and playing experiences including his ongoing work as a founding member of the Grammy-nominated funk-rock band Spin Doctors with a total of 10 million albums sold and over 1500 live shows under their belt and all four original members intact. 2018 marked their 30th year. Aaron has also spent a decade-plus in the touring band of Joan Osborne. In 2017, Aaron appeared on new releases by Joan Osborne, Rachael Yamagata, James Maddock, Willie Nile, Garland Jeffreys, Chris Bergson and German platinum-selling artist Marius Westerhagen to name a few. He has also worked with Bilal, Edie Bickell, Chris Whitley, Mark Cohen, Roswell Rudd, Ivan Nevil and a host of others.

    Aaron has been active as a band leader since his 2006 debut recording “Catskills Cry”. This was followed up with “Beautiful Mistake”, “Blues for Use”, “Aaron Comess Quintet”, “Live 2016” and most recently “Sculptures”.

    In this episode, Aaron talks about:

    The current nature of touring and recording

    The power of positive attitudes

    Curating a career that fits your vision

    Drumming for Joan Osborne

    Learning through experience how to create a sonic landscape in the studio

    His solo projects as well as his new record, “Sculptures”

    The Spin Doctors

    Learning to say “no” to some gigs

    What to practice

    Staying relaxed

    Aaron endorses: Yamaha Drums, Zildjian Cymbals, Vic Firth Sticks and Remo Drumheads

    This episode is sponsored by Session Ace

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