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    Working Drummer

    With 500 episodes and counting, Working Drummer Podcast is the source for those interested in what it’s like to be a professional drummer. Hosted by Matthew Crouse and Zack Albetta, Working Drummer covers it all with a dynamic range of pro drummers who represent many different genres and scenes. Each weekly interview features a different performer, sometimes with a less recognizable name, but always with an impressive and distinct body of work. This unique approach has garnered a loyal audience hungry for unfiltered stories about making a living as a musician today.

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    367 - Jim Brock: Developing Your Own Voice with Percussion, Recording in the Pre-Digital Era May 05, 2022
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    Jim Brock has proven to be an innovator in the world of drums and percussion. Within his forty five year career he has appeared on literally hundreds of recordings with artists such as Joe Walsh, Joan Baez, Kathy Mattea, Joe Cocker, Janis Ian, River Phoenix, and James McMurtry. With five solo recordings and a DVD entitled The Nature Of Drumming, Jim Has traveled the world extensively with performances on The Tonight Show, A Prairie Home Companion, Good Morning America, MTV, and multiple appearances on The View, just to name a few. Among these include a concert at the White House for President Clinton in 2000. In 2007, Jim was asked to compose the music for the documentary "The Spirit of Sacajawea". For this work he is the recipient of the prestigious Telly award, and was nominated for an Emmy award in the category of Composer/Arranger.

    In this episode, Jim talks about:

    • Learning to develop his own voice with percussion
    • When and when not to use traditional patterns and feels
    • Recording with Joe Walsh
    • Recording in the pre-digital era
    • Living and working in Charlotte NC
    • The recording scene in Charlotte
    • The rhythm of life itself
    • Recording with Steve Gadd, Alex Acuna, Mel Lewis and others

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    366 - Brian Steever: Finding and Exploring His Unique Voice in Kansas City, Letting Sounds and Ideas Guide The Way Apr 28, 2022
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    Brian Steever is a drummer on a mission to inject joy into every musical situation that he finds himself. One of the most in-demand drummers on the Kansas City scene, the drums have been his passion since he was born. He began his studies with Loyd Warden in Columbia Missouri and is an alumnus of UMKC where he studied with Doug Auwarter, Brandon Draper, Curtis Lundy, Michael Carvin and Bobby Watson. Brian enjoys many performance opportunities in the Kansas City area and beyond. He can be seen around town with Mike Metheny, Matt Otto, Bob Bowman, Jeff Harshbarger, and Hermon Mehari. Brian has also had opportunity to play with musicians from all over the world including Ben Allison, Javon Jackson, Deborah Brown, Bob Sheppard, Tony Tixier, Shunzo Ohno, and Sam Newsome among others.

    In this episode, Brian talks about:

    • Having the three strong influences of a mentor, a peer, and a community all before he left high school
    • How the Kansas City jazz scene is supportive of everyone's unique voice
    • His experience at University of Missouri-Kansas City
    • The influence of Matt Wilson - being effortless and intentional
    • Exploring sounds and ideas vs. practicing drums
    • The never-ending matched vs. traditional conundrum

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    365 - Shannon Forrest: Performing With Spirit and Intent, The Confidence of Jeff Porcaro, Staying in Contact With Your Muse Apr 21, 2022
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    As a session drummer, Shannon Forrest has contributed to the work of many well-known artists, including Brooks & Dunn, Taylor Swift, Rascal Flatts, Carrie Underwood, Mary Chapin Carpenter, The Chieftains, Willie Nelson, Ricky Skaggs, Trisha Yearwood, Lee Ann Womack, Jerry Douglas, Merle Haggard, and many others. Shannon is also a producer and engineer.

    Born in Easley, South Carolina and now living in the countryside just outside of Nashville, Shannon's recording career is unparalleled. In his twenty-plus years as one of Nashville’s top session drummers, he's constantly in demand for practically every top artist that town produces. The list includes mega stars Brooks & Dunn, Taylor Swift, Rascal Flatts, Carrie Underwood, Toby Keith, Faith Hill, Sugarland, Tracy Lawrence, LeAnn Rimes, The Chieftains, Michael McDonald, Willie Nelson, Alabama, Art Garfunkel, Ricky Skaggs, Trisha Yearwood, Blake Shelton, Martina McBride, Lee Ann Womack, Gretchen Wilson, Merle Haggard, Trace Adkins…and countless others. Shannon Forrest is a recipient of the Academy of Country Music’s Top Drummer/Percussionist Of The Year.

    In this episode Shannon talks about:

    • The confidence of Jeff Porcaro
    • The “inter-dynamics” of the Rosanna shuffle
    • What separates the “session musician” from others
    • The intent of building his own studio
    • The production of the Tom Bukovac record - Plexi Soul
    • Performing with spirit and intent
    • Developing a good working relationship with the click
    • Recent recording project - Judson McKinney and the Wanderers
    • Shannon’s YouTube channel

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    364 - Corey Fonville: The "SuperBlue" Project with Kurt Elling & Charlie Hunter, Playing with Butcher Brown, Evolving Through Self-Acceptance Apr 14, 2022
    Show notes

    After spending the first part of his career in the New York-based jazz world, Corey Fonville has evolved into playing and producing more groove-based music. With his band Butcher Brown and most recently with Charlie Hunter and Kurt Elling on new album SuperBlue, Corey is exploring playing and tones that are firmly in the supporting role rather than the more explosive/interactive jazz role. Corey is the product of a couple of non-traditional educational environments; The New School in New York and the Dave Brubeck Institute in Stockton, CA, and his jazz resume includes Christian Scott, Nicholas Payton, Jacky Terrasson and many more. But he has found himself moving past that world in search of drumming and music that's more true to his musical identity and values.

    In this episode, Corey talks about:

    • How the SuperBlue project came about, and how Charlie and Kurt turned to him to help shape it
    • Being a bridge between Kurt's energy and Charlie's energy
    • Being influenced by Kareem Riggins, Kendrick Scott, Obed Calvaire, and other New York jazz drummers
    • How sounding like other drummers is a step in the journey to sounding like you
    • Ways he's thinking about combining his new musical identity with the jazz world he used to inhabit, and approaching jazz with a production mindset
    • How turning something down or moving away from a certain music requires self-acceptance

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    363 - Nate Felty: Being Yourself on the Session or Gig, Seeking Out New Music and Experiences, Teaching and Learning Apr 07, 2022
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    Originally from Syracuse, New York, Nate Felty is an experienced live/session drummer and educator who enjoys performing a wide range of musical styles. Nate has been living and working in Nashville, Tennessee since 2012 and earned his Masters in Commercial Music at Belmont University in 2014.

    Nate is the drummer for Nashville-based, nationally touring country/roots artist, Kelsey Waldon. With Waldon, he has shared the stage on tour with Grammy Award-winning artists such as Ricky Skaggs & Kentucky Thunder, Marty Stuart and His Fabulous Superlatives, and John Prine.

    Since his arrival in Nashville, Nate has performed and recorded with notable touring bands from Nashville. Among these are The Amanda Broadway Band, Abby Anderson, Devon Gilfillian, Dan Smalley, Marquee Mayfield, and a 9-piece funk/fusion group Dynamo. While with Dynamo, the group earned Nashville Industry Music Awards (NIMA's) in 2015 for "Best Funk/Fusion Band" and "Album of the Year" for their 2015 release, Find Your Way.

    When not on tour, Nate is an adjunct professor of drum set at Sewanee University of the South. Nate continues to make his imprint on Nashville's local music community, performing with notable musicians such Roy Agee (Prince), Jeff Coffin (Dave Matthews Band), Micah Hulscher (Margo Price), Jay White (Amos Lee, Cory Henry), Mike Hicks (Rascal Flatts), David Rodgers (Keb Mo), De Marco Johnson (Marc Broussard) and Paul Horton (Alabama Shakes).

    In this episode, Nate talks about:

    • Being yourself on the session or gig while paying reverence to the genre/style
    • His early influence and exposure to jazz
    • Following his “North Star” and seeking out new music and experiences
    • Playing in the house band for “The Pitch Meeting”
    • Understanding musical references when creating parts
    • His award winning band Dynamo
    • Teaching and learning
    • Recovering after snapping a tendon in his left hand

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    362 - Jordan Perlson: An East Coaster Finding His Way in Nashville, Being Intentional About Saying Yes or No,"Async" Drum Coaching Mar 31, 2022
    Show notes

    Jordan Perlson has spanned about as wide a stylistic reach as one can imagine. Be it with jazz legends Seamus Blake and Gary Burton, folk heroes Alison Brown and Missy Raines, reggae giants Matisyahu and Trevor Hall, cutting edge music innovators like Becca Stevens, Snarky Puppy, and Jeff Coffin, progressive innovators Adrian Belew or Kaki King, or fusion megastar Hiromi, Jordan has become a known force in these many circles. With credits on 100+ recordings, including national and international ad campaigns, Jordan is as at home in the studio as he is on stage. Having taught at prestigious institutions such as Berklee College of Music, New York University and masterclasses all over the world, Jordan is a passionate educator. An author of 2 books for Mel Bay publishing, Jordan’s books have been translated into several languages and are used the world round by teachers and students of many levels.

    In this episode, Jordan talks about:

    • Why he moved to Nashville after 12 years in New York
    • Curating musical situations that line up with momentum in a direction, even if the end goal is abstract
    • Being more intentional about not just what he says yes to, but why he says yes
    • How New York shaped his personality, and how that shapes his musical identity
    • Trusting that his instincts and intentions will make good music, even if the execution isn't quite perfect
    • His "asynchronous" drum coaching approach to private teaching

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    361 - Michael Bland: The Demands of Working for Prince, The Power of Mentorship, Drumming for Soul Asylum Mar 24, 2022
    Show notes

    At age sixteen, Michael Bland won the "twin cities' best drummer" contest and was the beginning of a rewarding career.

    With his recognition as a prodigy, Michael was actively sought by many local acts. At seventeen, Hiram Bullock snagged him up, and took him to Pittsburgh and New York to do some one-nighters. That same year, he joined Dr. Mambo's Combo, a house band at Bunker's Music Bar and Grill, a local club where many Minneapolis musicians cut their teeth. Bunker's is where Prince first spotted Michael, Michael joined prince in 1989 and he toured, recorded, and performed with the new power generation for the next seven years.

    In 1996, immediately after his tenure with Prince, Michael went on tour with Paul Westerberg, which led to tours and recordings with other national acts, such as Chaka Khan, Maxwell, Dionne Farris, George Benson, Phil Upchurch, Howard Hewitt, and many others. Since 2005, Michael has been a member of the band Soul Asylum.

    In this episode, Michael talks about:

    • The demands of working for Prince
    • How he got the gig with Prince
    • The podcast, MUSIPOLITIX he ran during the pandemic
    • Drumming for Soul Asylum
    • The power of mentorship
    • Stories of working for Chaka Khann, Madonna

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    360 - Quinton "Q" Robinson: Touring with "Ain't Too Proud," Making a Career Transition into Musical Theatre, A Different Kind of Musical Fulfillment Mar 17, 2022
    Show notes

    Over the last decade plus, Quinton "Q" Robinson developed a busy and sustainable career drumming with Gospel and R&B acts such as Avery Sunshine, Peebo Bryson, and Anthony David, and recording in his home studio. But he got interested in musical theatre and started spending time in New York meeting Broadway drummers, musical directors, and contractors, and playing readings and off-Broadway productions. He also got in with the Alliance Theatre in Atlanta played a litany of shows there. That legwork has culminated in Q landing the drum chair for the touring production of "Ain't Too Proud," the Tony-winning Temptations musical.

    In this episode, Q talks about:

    • The process of getting on the radar of decision makers in the musical theatre world
    • His experience at The Alliance Theatre in Atlanta
    • How he got on Clayton Craddock's radar, and how Clayton came to recommend him for "Ain't Too Proud"
    • The intricacies of the show
    • The qualities required of a musical theatre drummer
    • His goals for the new studio he's about to build

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    359 - Clifford Koufman: Studying Drumming in West Africa, Completing the Cycle of Music Through Sharing, "Clif Chats" Interview Series Mar 10, 2022
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    Clifford Koufman is a Nashville-based, award-winning drummer who founded Sound & Rhythm Drumming School in 2000. With over 20 years of experience, Clifford carries a world of experience to every scenario, whether creating music, performing or teaching. He's honored to be the recipient of multiple grants, the Thrive award to build community through community drumming classes, performances, and drum circles, and the Regional Arts & Culture Council professional development grant to study music in Guinea, West Africa. He's toured internationally, throughout the US, and in Alaska. Clifford has spent time living and learning from master musicians in Ghana and then Guinea, West Africa, and has performed, taught, and worked with thousands of people as well as working with numerous bands, songwriters, and composers throughout the United States. In an effort to share in his musical experience, inspiration and to connect with creative people through conversation, he began "Clif Chats" where he's has conducted over sixty interviews of creative people at the top of their fields.

    Clifford teaches people in Nashville as well as traveling to schools, colleges, and universities as well as teaches internationally online. He creates play-along tracks for drum circle facilitators as well as making music for licensing. Clifford embraces the spirit of collaboration in Nashville, performing and recording and writing, collaborating with songwriters, bands and composers. He is continually experimenting with a hybrid drum set, incorporating percussion and drum set elements with various hand drums. He facilitates leadership development events using the drum circle as the vehicle. Clifford continues to teach students all over the world and is excited to collaborate with songwriters, bands, and composers. He continues Clif Chats and is always looking to geek out about people living creatively, drums, art, and music.

    In this episode, Clifford talks about:

    • His journey into hand drumming
    • Studying and adventures in Ghana and Guinea, West Africa
    • Completing the cycle of music through sharing
    • Building a teaching practice
    • Clifford’s interview series: Cliff Chats

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    358 - Blair Sinta: The "Three Jobs in One" Endeavor of Recording Yourself, His Courses and Podcast, Bringing Your True Self to a New Gig Mar 03, 2022
    Show notes

    Blair has been an LA staple for over two decades, having recorded and/or toured with Alanis Morissette, Chris Cornell, Gwen Stefani, Brandi Carlisle, Melissa Etheridge, and many others. Blair has a couple of new calling cards, one of them is his podcast Recording Drums, he’s getting ready to get season 2 of that going. And the other is his suite of online courses, Introduction to Recording, The Snare Sound Bible, andImprove Your Groove. For the month of March, Blair is offering a 15% discount on these courses to drum click listeners, check ‘em out at blairsinta.com and use the promo code BFSDSDB at checkout.

    In this episode, Blair talks about:

    • Tracks that require a set of drum sounds and parts vs. tracks that require a drum performance
    • What led him to create his online course
    • Focusing on a narrow or specialized set of goals/skills in the studio vs. taking on the challenge of going after any sound
    • His six week zoom course
    • What "listening with your eyes" means
    • Phone audio considerations
    • His time with Alanis Morissette
    • Trying to be what you think a band wants vs. representing yourself accurately

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