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    Words & Numbers

    Words & Numbers is one of the highest-rated economics podcasts in the world. Each episode, Antony Davies and James R. Harrigan dig into economics, political science, and current events to explain what’s actually happening and why it matters.

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    Episode 487: Is It The Economy, Stupid? Jan 08, 2026
    Show notes

    In this episode, we reflect on a rare missed recording and share a series of listener stories that raise broader questions about compassion, responsibility, and civic duty. We examine claims surrounding illegal orders in the military and the role of oaths and institutional accountability before turning to the “foolishness of the week,” including the internet’s ability to amplify extremism and reward outrage. We then shift to why Americans consistently believe the economy is doing worse than the data suggests, exploring consumer sentiment, inflation, wages, housing costs, and the lingering psychological effects of pandemic-era stimulus. We close by discussing housing as both shelter and investment, the realities of rent and mortgage affordability, student loan debt, rising expectations, and why economic anxiety persists even in periods of growth.


    00:00 Introduction and Overview

    00:31 Missing an Episode for the First Time

    02:28 Listener Gift and Firefighter Calendar Story

    03:52 A Belated Christmas Story of Compassion

    07:13 Mark Kelly, Illegal Orders, and Military Oaths

    12:40 Foolishness of the Week: Nazi Dating Sites

    15:08 The “Village Idiot” Theory and the Internet

    18:07 Why Americans Think the Economy Is Terrible

    22:08 Consumer Sentiment vs. Economic Data

    24:37 Inflation, Wages, and Why It Still Feels Worse

    29:27 COVID Stimulus Effects and Income Perception

    33:30 Housing Costs, Rent, and Homeownership Myths

    37:10 Mortgage Rates, Rent Increases, and Risk

    41:04 Housing as Shelter vs. Housing as Investment

    45:29 Why People Still Can’t Afford Homes

    48:33 Social Media, Expectations, and Lifestyle Inflation

    51:02 Student Loan Debt and the Real Affordability Crisis

    55:14 College Costs, Tradeoffs, and Financial Reality

    57:44 Expectations, Advertising, and Economic Anxiety

    01:00:40 Why Consumer Sentiment May Never Fully Recover

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    Episode 486: Slavery and Capitalism Jan 01, 2026
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    In this episode, we discuss public distrust of politicians and the realities behind presidential approval polling before turning to the math of lotteries and why people continue to play despite the odds. We examine Maryland’s proposed reparations commission, including questions of eligibility, funding, legal responsibility, and the practical challenges of tying modern policy to historical injustice. We’re joined by Phil Magness to explore the economic history of slavery, the claim that capitalism was built on slave labor, and why slavery is fundamentally incompatible with free markets. We cover Adam Smith’s opposition to slavery, misconceptions about profit incentives, the global history of forced labor, and the moral and economic failures surrounding emancipation, closing with a broader discussion of capitalism, socialism, and historical accountability.


    00:00 Introduction and Overview

    00:44 Presidential Approval Ratings and Polling Reality

    02:38 Why Americans Have Always Hated Politicians

    03:35 Powerball, Probability, and the Math of Dreaming

    06:51 Maryland’s Reparations Commission Explained

    08:12 Who Pays and Who Gets Reparations?

    10:03 Mitigation, Law, and the Reparations Problem

    14:24 Introducing Phil Magness

    15:02 Was Capitalism Built on Slavery?

    17:59 Slavery as an Ancient Institution

    19:50 Adam Smith’s Case Against Slavery

    23:05 Why Slavery Is Anti-Capitalist

    24:50 Pro-Slavery Economics and Feudalism

    26:16 Founding Fathers, Hypocrisy, and Moral Failure

    30:21 Slavery’s Global History and Misconceptions

    32:06 Incentives, Profit, and Economic Naivety

    34:53 Would Slavery Have Ended Without the Civil War?

    37:59 Gradual Emancipation and Historical Alternatives

    40:47 Socialism, Capitalism, and the Plantation Model

    44:01 Final Reflections and Closing Thoughts

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    Episode 485: R.I.P. Heritage Foundation Dec 30, 2025
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    In this episode, we examine the realities behind universal health care by looking at Canada’s system, wait times, medical tourism, and cases where patients are denied life-saving treatment. We discuss the rise of weight-loss drugs like Ozempic and Wegovy, the economics behind high drug prices, and why “miracle” medications often create new dependencies and unintended costs. We scrutinize airline incivility, declining standards of behavior, and why airlines are reluctant to enforce norms despite growing problems. Phil Magness also joins us to discuss the internal collapse of the Heritage Foundation, the rise of post-liberal conservatism, and the growing influence of figures like Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes. We explore tensions within the Republican Party, the appeal of emergency powers on both the left and right, the dangers of mixing religion with state authority, and what these trends mean for the future of American politics.


    00:00 Introduction and Overview

    00:28 Canadian Health Care and the Myth of “Free” Medicine

    02:38 When Universal Health Care Denies Life-Saving Treatment

    04:50 Wait Times, Medical Tourism, and U.S. vs Canada Outcomes

    06:16 Ozempic, Wegovy, and the Economics of Weight-Loss Drugs

    08:52 Why Expensive Drugs Create Cheaper Alternatives

    10:05 Side Effects, Dependency, and the Cost of “Miracle” Drugs

    10:36 Airline Incivility and Delta’s Class-Based Explanation

    12:28 Why Airlines Refuse to Enforce Behavioral Standards

    13:52 Why Flying Is Cheaper Than Ever (and Why That Matters)

    15:22 Horror Stories From the Skies

    18:07 Introducing Phil Magness

    19:14 The Implosion of the Heritage Foundation

    22:34 Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes, and the Post-Liberal Right

    25:24 Mass Resignations and the Collapse of Heritage’s Core

    28:52 Post-Liberalism and the Rejection of the American Founding

    32:00 Is the Republican Party Fracturing?

    34:34 Mike Pence and the Future of Free-Market Conservatism

    37:08 The Left and Right’s Shared Authoritarian Instincts

    39:21 Emergency Powers, Carl Schmitt, and Executive Absolutism

    44:06 Why Emergency Government Always Expands

    46:58 Christian Nationalism and Catholic Integralism

    50:03 Why Religion and State Power Don’t Mix

    52:12 Who Really Wants Political Power?

    54:52 Trump as a Lame-Duck President

    55:45 JD Vance, 2028, and Electoral Reality

    58:11 Why Both Parties Keep Nominating Losers

    01:02:27 Conclusion

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    Episode 484: Geezer Presidents Dec 25, 2025
    Show notes

    In this episode, we examine what actually counts as a victimless crime and why the term is so often misused, using examples ranging from seatbelt and helmet laws to drugs, prostitution, and software piracy. We discuss how insurance markets price risk more effectively than regulation, and why many so-called crimes are really paperwork violations with no direct victims. We also look at the limits of automation through recent failures in self-driving technology, and highlight the Foolishness of the Week involving ideological monocultures in academia and the incentives that sustain them. The conversation then turns to the main topic of whether there should be an age limit for the presidency, weighing cognitive decline, longevity, institutional incentives, and why existing safeguards like the 25th Amendment rarely function as intended.


    00:00 Introduction and Overview

    00:29 What Counts as a Victimless Crime?

    01:38 Insurance, Risk, and Who Really Pays

    04:36 Drugs, Prostitution, and True Victimless Crimes

    06:26 Regulatory Crimes vs Real Human Harm

    07:53 Software Piracy and Intellectual Property

    12:38 Waymo, Power Outages, and Self-Driving Failures

    14:49 Foolishness of the Week: Academic Monocultures in Academia

    17:10 Personal Stories of Academic Censorship

    20:39 Main Topic: Should Presidents Have an Age Limit?

    21:41 Biden, Trump, and Cognitive Decline

    24:39 Living Longer, Dementia, and Modern Leadership Risks

    29:34 Age Limits in Other Professions

    33:00 The Age of Past Presidents When Initially Elected

    37:35 Which Presidents Would Have Survived a Term Age Limit?

    39:33 The 25th Amendment and Why It Rarely Works

    40:57 Incentives, Power, and Presidential Succession

    43:53 Closing Thoughts

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    Episode 483: We Love Inequality Dec 23, 2025
    Show notes

    In this episode, we look at what happens when artificial intelligence is put in charge of real-world systems, starting with an experiment in automated pricing and what it reveals about incentives, scarcity, and control. We turn to Denmark’s decision to shut down its national postal service, using it to examine the decline of physical mail, environmental tradeoffs, and why government monopolies struggle to compete with private delivery. We highlight the week’s “foolishness,” including the rise of competitive spreadsheet championships, before turning to a broader discussion about inequality. We examine IQ distributions, bell curves, and why inequality is often confused with poverty, exploring the limits of measures like the Gini coefficient, the difference between snapshot and lifetime earnings, and the role of incentives, envy, and value creation. We close by contrasting equality of opportunity with equality of outcome and asking what societies should actually care about when assessing fairness and prosperity.


    00:00 Introduction and Overview

    00:27 AI Runs a Vending Machine at the Wall Street Journal

    01:52 When AI Meets Communism and Price Controls

    03:52 Why AI Isn’t Replacing Humans Anytime Soon

    04:32 Denmark Shuts Down Its Postal Service

    06:11 Is Physical Mail Environmentally Absurd?

    07:39 Why the Postal Service Can’t Compete

    11:43 The Foolishness of the Week: Excel World Championships

    13:25 Are Spreadsheets More Important Than Football?

    15:08 Main Topic Setup: Should We Care About Inequality?

    16:13 IQ, Bell Curves, and Random Distributions

    23:05 Why Inequality Is Not the Same as Poverty

    25:36 The Gini Coefficient and Its Limits

    28:57 Sports, Superstars, and Value Creation

    38:00 Taxes, Transfers, and the Illusion of Inequality

    41:57 Lifetime Earnings vs Snapshot Inequality

    45:14 Equality of Opportunity vs Equality of Outcome

    49:30 Envy, Incentives, and Human Motivation

    53:38 Closing Thoughts on Inequality and Society

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    Episode 482: The Evolution of Crime Dec 18, 2025
    Show notes

    In this episode, we revisit the debate over restricting social media access for children, responding to listener feedback and examining why parental responsibility alone can’t address the scale of the problem. We discuss proposals for age verification, the risks of digital ID systems, and how privacy and surveillance concerns are often dismissed with the claim that people have “nothing to hide.” We then turn to California’s energy situation, looking at refinery closures, the Jones Act, and why state climate policies have little impact on global emissions while driving higher fuel costs. We examine a lawsuit involving Donald Trump and the BBC, followed by the week’s “foolishness” surrounding the Oscars’ move to YouTube. Our main discussion explores the concept of victimless crime, how outdated laws persist long after society moves on, what entrepreneurship signals about obsolete regulations, and why enforcement-heavy approaches to poverty, drugs, and everyday behavior continue to fail.


    00:00 Introduction and Overview

    01:02 Listener Feedback on Social Media Bans for Kids

    02:06 Why Parenting Alone Cannot Solve the Social Media Problem

    03:16 Age Verification and the Push Toward Digital ID

    04:43 Privacy, Surveillance, and Why “Nothing to Hide” Fails

    06:45 How Governments Can Abuse Data in the Future

    07:20 California Refinery Closures and Energy Reality

    08:13 The Jones Act and Why California Imports Fuel from Abroad

    11:02 Why California’s Climate Policies Barely Affect Global CO2

    13:00 Trump’s Lawsuit Against the BBC

    14:27 Why Trump Would Have to Testify Under Oath

    15:34 Foolishness of the Week: The Oscars Move to YouTube

    17:42 Main Topic Setup: Victimless Crime and Enforcement

    18:36 Entrepreneurship as a Signal That Laws Are Obsolete

    20:47 Blue Laws, Alcohol, and How Societies Outgrow Bad Rules

    24:27 Are There Any Victimless Crimes Left?

    28:42 Speed Limits and Everyday Criminality

    31:28 Is Government the Evolution of Crime?

    34:31 The Cash Benchmark Test Explained

    36:20 Why the War on Poverty Failed

    40:16 The True Cost of the War on Drugs

    43:55 Why Freedom No Longer Drives Policy

    45:31 Closing Reflections and Final Thoughts

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    Episode 481: California Screamin’ Dec 16, 2025
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    In this episode, we discuss the growing role of humanoid robots in everyday life, why new technologies always reach the wealthy first, and how falling costs eventually make innovation accessible to the middle class. We turn to global efforts to restrict social media access for children, examining the real harms platforms create, why enforcement rarely works, and how questions of consent and freedom apply differently to minors. We highlight the week’s “foolishness,” including exaggerated tariff claims and the political incentives behind economic misinformation, before looking at how public discourse has deteriorated as cruelty and performative outrage become normalized. We then examine California’s accelerating business exodus, focusing on energy companies leaving the state, the consequences of heavy regulation and taxation, the limits of government control over capital-intensive industries, and what these trends reveal about tradeoffs, governance, and long-term economic sustainability.


    00:00 Introduction and Overview

    00:37 Humanoid Robots as Household Tools, Not Job Killers

    02:31 Robots as Productivity Multipliers for the Middle Class

    04:14 Why Wealthy People Will Always Get New Tech First

    05:57 Technology Gets Cheaper, Better, and More Accessible Over Time

    08:46 The Inevitable Cultural Direction of Robot Technology

    09:17 Social Media Bans for Minors Go Global

    11:13 The Real Harm Social Media Does to Children

    14:25 Foolishness of the Week: Trump’s $18 Trillion Tariff Claim

    17:15 Why the Tariff Math Doesn’t Pass the Smell Test

    18:23 Political Incentives, Lies, and Follower Frenzy

    21:09 Trump’s Rob Reiner Statement and the Collapse of Decorum

    23:45 When Leaders Normalize Public Cruelty

    26:09 Why Businesses Are Fleeing California

    28:53 Taxes, Regulations, and the Real Price of Gas

    33:14 Environmental Tradeoffs and Global CO2 Reality

    38:50 California’s Plan to Nationalize Oil Refineries

    40:53 Why Government Cannot Run Capital-Intensive Businesses

    44:44 Diminishing Returns and Regulatory Overreach

    47:23 Pareto Optimality and Why Tradeoffs Matter

    55:06 The Economic Death Spiral of Business Exodus

    57:32 Is California Too Big to Govern Effectively?

    01:02:07 Closing Reflections and Final Thoughts

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    Episode 480: The War on Drugs (Continued) Dec 11, 2025
    Show notes

    In this episode, we look at the story of a young boy who found purpose working for the DC Metro and later became a transportation engineer, and we examine a proposal for the U.S. to screen tourists’ social media accounts before entry, highlighting the logistical and constitutional problems such a system would create. We cover the week’s “foolishness,” including In-N-Out removing order number 67 from its queues and a Montreal lottery winner who chose a disastrous payout option, and discuss what these cases reveal about human judgment and bad incentives. We also explore the Mandela Effect and why memory often fails us. Later, we’re joined by Todd Huntley to talk about U.S. drug interdiction on the high seas, the legal gray zone between warfare and law enforcement, the risks of escalating conflicts with countries like Venezuela, and the constitutional limits on presidential war powers.


    00:00 Introduction and Overview

    00:30 The DC Metro Kid Who Became an Engineer

    02:44 U.S. Plans to Screen Tourists’ Social Media

    05:43 Foolishness of the Week: In-N-Out Removes Order #67

    08:10 Foolishness Part Two: The Montreal Lottery Payout Disaster

    11:16 The Psychology of Bad Financial Decisions

    12:34 The Mandela Effect and Faulty Memory

    14:36 Reunions and Remembering the Past

    18:24 Guest Introduction: Todd Huntley on Drug Boat Strikes

    20:16 How U.S. Drug Interdiction Changed with Drone Warfare

    23:08 Is This War or Law Enforcement? The Legal Debate

    26:44 International Waters, Venezuela, and Escalation Risks

    30:13 Regime Change in Venezuela

    32:45 The Positive Case for Blowing Up Boats

    36:42 The Negative Case for Blowing Up Boats

    41:11 Who Is Conducting the Strikes?

    43:40 Congress, War Powers, and Constitutional Limits

    48:57 Closing Thoughts with Guest

    52:10 Outro Banter

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    Episode 479: The NPCs Among Us Dec 09, 2025
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    In this episode, we look at a series of recent arrests tied to online posts, comparing Britain’s policing culture and firearms laws with American norms and examining how “feeling threatened” has become a legal standard. We discuss Alaska’s new AI-driven digital identity system and the fears surrounding automated benefits, digital currency, and government control. We highlight the week’s “foolishness” involving a racist outburst at a Cinnabon, and then turn to market news as Bitcoin drops and DJT stock continues to collapse. Our main topic explores whether AI can ever be sentient, what genuine inquisitiveness looks like, how people project humanity onto algorithms, and why the real risks stem from human psychology rather than runaway machines. We close with a discussion of how AI affects relationships, personal responsibility, and why students shouldn’t rely on it to think for them.


    00:00 Introduction and Overview

    01:01 British Man Arrested Over Social Media Post

    02:46 Police Overreach and “Feelings as Law”

    05:14 Global Jurisdiction and Ridiculous Laws

    06:51 Alaska’s AI-Driven Digital Identity System

    07:35 AI Applying for Benefits on Your Behalf

    09:17 Digital Currency and Government Control Fears

    12:11 Foolishness of the Week: The Cinnabon Racism Incident

    13:22 Why Do Racists Get GoFundMes?

    14:30 Bitcoin’s Drop and the DJT Stock Collapse

    19:36 Can AI Become Sentient?

    22:05 The Inquisitiveness Test for Consciousness

    26:31 Will AI Replace Human Relationships?

    30:30 What Long-Term Interaction Reveals About AI

    36:46 Asking AI About Sentience

    40:00 Real Risks: Errors, Psychology, and Human Behavior

    43:15 AI as a Mirror of Human Behavior

    45:02 Practical and Realistic Uses of AI

    50:18 Why Students Shouldn’t Rely on AI for Schoolwork

    53:40 Drug-fueled Observations on Human Behavior

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    Episode 478: No Socials for Sheila Dec 04, 2025
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    In this episode, we examine why arts education often maintains higher standards even as liberal arts programs shrink in schools and universities, and what students lose when curriculum narrows to job training. We discuss how platforms like X are adding country-of-origin labels to identify foreign influence and bot activity, and highlight the “foolishness of the week” involving the controversy over the “world’s strongest woman” and the broader questions it raises about biology and competitive fairness. We turn to Australia’s proposal to ban social media for kids under sixteen, exploring the practical limits of age verification, the tension between parental authority and government regulation, and why teens remain vulnerable to algorithmic manipulation. We close by considering where society should draw age boundaries, how platforms shape behavior, and what genuine responsibility looks like in the digital age.


    00:00 Introduction and Overview

    00:29 The State of Arts Education Today

    02:57 Why Liberal Arts Are Disappearing From Schools

    05:45 What a Liberal Arts Education Actually Provides

    06:59 X Adds Country-of-Origin Labels

    09:56 Foolishness of the Week: “World’s Strongest Woman”

    11:31 Biology, Fairness, and Competition in Sports

    17:51 Age Rules and Arbitrary Lines

    20:53 Australia’s Proposed Social Media Ban for Under-16s

    23:21 Why Age Verification Won’t Work in Practice

    26:08 Should the Government Regulate Children’s Social Media Use?

    27:32 Algorithmic Bubbles and Teen Vulnerability

    33:45 96% of Australian Children Ages 10-15 Use Social Media

    34:55 Where to Draw the Line: 13, 16, or 18?

    39:34 Parental Responsibility vs. Government Control

    46:34 Closing Thoughts on Freedom, Parenting, and Policy

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