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With The Perrys

With The Perrys is a podcast with a whole lot of truth given in a short amount of time. Preston Perry and Jackie Hill Perry will bring their humor, honesty, and insight into conversations on everything from relationships and theology to politics, race, and parenting.

Latest Episodes:

Infertility and Finding God After Unanswered Prayer with Jennifer Lucy Tyler Oct 06, 2025

Every one of us will, at some point in our lives, come to realize that our faith alone can’t produce everything we want, when we want it. It’s hard to trust the Lord when we’re praying prayers that haven’t been answered.

Jennifer Lucy Tyler joins the Perrys to talk about what she’s learned about God’s sovereignty through her journey of infertility. She shares about experiencing the joy of the Lord – even when He’s not given you the thing you desperately want – and why through our lament, we can still have hope that what He has for us is good.

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Scripture references

Lamentations 3:21-24

Exodus 17:10-13

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Neither Blue Nor Red: Being a Disciple in a Culture War Sep 29, 2025

Social media has been a contentious place after the murder of Charlie Kirk, and the public mourning of his death has felt confusing and concerning for many people. How should we as Christ followers respond in such a polarizing time?

In this honest conversation, Jackie and Preston sit down with Justin Giboney, cofounder and president of the AND Campaign, to process through what happens in our hearts – and in the church – when tragedy plays out in the public square.

Why do we turn to social media to have our feelings validated? Are we experiencing a true gospel revival or a reawakening of ideological conservatism? And how can we move out of this culture war to have constructive and edifying conversations, not as members of one political party or another but as Christ followers?

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Connect with Justin
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/justinegiboney/ and https://www.instagram.com/andcampaign/

Resources:

The AND Campaign: https://www.andcampaign.org/
Justin’s new book – Don't Let Nobody Turn You Around How the Black Church's Public Witness Leads Us out of the Culture War https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Let-Nobody-Turn-Around/dp/1514008424
Theologian Luigi Giussani

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Does the Church Need a Rebrand? A Conversation with Dr. Eric Mason Sep 15, 2025

What do you think of when you hear the word ‘church’? There’s confusion and a lack of clarity about what it means to be a church, but today’s guest wants to re-present the fundamentals so that we’re more responsible with our witness.

Dr. Eric Mason is full of wisdom and he’s got a new book out September 30 called Rebranding the Church: Restoring the Image of God's People in the World. Dr. Mason says we’ve over-corrected in a lot of ways as Christians, going from “holier than thou” to “holiness don’t mean nothing.” We aren’t committed to maturing in our faith. We don’t have a sober-minded view of our own sin, of other people, or of Christian leadership. We’re driven by humanistic individualism, thinking we can do this life apart from the community. So let’s talk about getting back to the church God intended for us to be a part of.

Connect with Dr. Eric Mason: https://www.instagram.com/pastoremase/ | https://www.pastoremase.com/

Grab a copy of Rebranding the Church: Restoring the Image of God's People in the World: https://www.amazon.com/Rebranding-Church-Restoring-Image-People/dp/0593602110/

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Scripture references:

1 Peter 4

Revelation 2

Ezra 7:10

1 Timothy 1:5

1 Corinthians 2:2

Acts 20:27

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Navigating Faith While Playing A Game: A Conversation With BB26 Winner Chelsie Baham Sep 08, 2025

Chelsie Baham is not just the winner of Season 26 of Big Brother – she also loves Jesus and was in full-time ministry up until she joined the game last summer.

In “Big Brother,” sixteen strangers are locked in a house for 90 days with cameras and microphones running 24/7 as they compete for a gigantic sum of money. Jackie has watched “Big Brother” since Season 2, and she loves it because of the psychology involved, understanding people’s thoughts and motives as she watches the competition.

The Perrys talk with Chelsie about how ministry – and specifically ministry in California – helped her in the game. And together they hold the tension between our beliefs as Christ followers and the perceived need to lie and manipulate to get ahead in a reality TV game show, which is something Chelsie said she wrestled with every day.

Watch Chelsie on Season 38 of the Amazing Race, premiering September 25 with a cast of Big Brother alums and their family members.

Connect with Chelsie:

https://www.instagram.com/chelsiebaham/?hl=en

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Part 2: Dating After 30, Singleness, and Other Questions Answered Sep 02, 2025

Here’s part 2 of the Perrys’ conversation with Megan Ashley and Ebenezer Endiryas about dating in your 30s.

Jackie, Preston, Megan and Ebenezer left you on a cliffhanger. “Should we be more focused on dating people that we’re in community with?” The group picks up the conversation there, talking about creating environments where someone you’ve met online can be brought into your community. They talk about how unkind it is to lead someone on, how men’s lack of emotional connection with other men impacts how they experience women, and how beneficial it would be if singles stopped thinking about “the one” and reflected more on God’s sovereignty. At the end of the day, all of these questions around dating and singleness are nuanced. It’s not black and white – these conversations require wisdom.

Scripture references:

Matthew 6:33

Connect with Ebenezer:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ebenezerendiryas/

https://www.instagram.com/shapingtheculturepodcast/

Shaping The Culture Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/shaping-the-culture/id1351020282

Connect with Megan:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/immeganashley/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Immeganashley

In Totality Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/in-totality-with-megan-ashley/id1614077859

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Part 1: Dating After 30, Singleness, and Other Questions Answered Aug 25, 2025

No one is really talking about what it’s like to be single in your 30s, or after you’re divorced or widowed, but it’s time to have a mature conversation about it. The Perrys are joined by two friends – Ebenezer and Megan – to talk about their separate experiences.

Ebenezer Endiryas is a single pastor who longs to be married one day, and Megan Ashley is a mom of three who was married for 14 years prior to her divorce. Both call themselves hopeless romantics, though they each now have a healthier understanding of kingdom-minded marriage and the sanctification it brings. Jackie, Preston, Megan, and Ebenezer discuss affection and intimacy, why it’s important to have realistic expectations when you marry a sinner, and what dating looks like today when more people are meeting online than in community together.

This is just the first half of a two-part conversation. Be sure to tune in to the September 1 episode for even more on this discussion.

Scripture references:

2 Samuel 11

Connect with Ebenezer:

Connect with Megan:

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Let’s Talk Gospel, CCM, and Why it Matters With Erica Cambell Aug 18, 2025

Jackie and Preston are joined on the podcast by Gospel music legend Erica Campbell for a conversation on Christian genres and the role of music in our walks as Christ followers. They discuss how race and different cultural experiences factor into the music played in our churches, and how the social media algorithm influences our perception of Christian music too. Is one genre more theologically sound than another? Why is it important for us to not cut ourselves off from how we could experience God in a genre we’re not used to? And how can songwriters resist division, keep Jesus at the center, and seek to write music that will actually disciple people?

Scripture references:

Ephesians 5:18-19

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Loving People When You Don't Want To With Toni Collier Aug 11, 2025

Each one of us is worthy of deep and intentional relationships. Just look at the life of Jesus and His close circles of community. God’s design is for us to be with people, but relationships are hard.

The Perrys are joined by Toni Collier to talk about her new book, Don’t Try This Alone: How to Build Deep Community When You Want to Hide from Your Pain. Toni and the Perrys talk about how past hurt and betrayal can cause us to avoid community, but God has always used other people to help us heal. We fulfill His law by loving His people, so it’s time we get good at trusting others with our pain and sitting with them in theirs.

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Scripture references:

Philippians 1:23-24

Philippians 2:3-4

Galatians 6:2

Job 2:9-13

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When Christianity Gets Hard Aug 04, 2025

Sometimes coming to Christian faith means that life gets harder and we don’t like that. We will all find ourselves in moments or seasons of discouragement, but we can wrestle through it with reverence. The main way to fight discouragement is by having a knowledge of God’s Word that helps you lean into Christ, and in this week’s episode, the Perrys walk through a number of passages to help us do just that.

Scripture references:

Psalm 88
John 6:60-68
Genesis 21:6
Luke 1:34
Galatians 6:6-9
Psalm 136:1-5
Hebrews 3:13
Hebrews 12:1-3
1 Peter 4:12-17
John 15:18-25
2 Corinthians 4:16-17
James 5:13

Other links:

Jackie at Passion 2025 – “In Defense of Hope”
“I Don’t Want to Be a Christian Anymore…” from Santee Zenobia TikTok and Instagram

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Unforgiveness, Raising Kids in the Last Days, and Proud Preachers: A Q&A Episode Jul 21, 2025

The Perrys' Q&A episodes are some of your favorites. In this one, the Perrys answer questions from their Instagram followers, covering topics related to evangelism, marriage, parenting, recognition, and forgiveness. How do you know if you are called to evangelize? Is it okay if a husband and wife attend different churches? What if you’re hesitant to have kids and bring them into a broken world? Let’s talk about it.

Scripture references:

1 Peter 3:1-2

Matthew 6:1-2

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Figuring Out Biblical Womanhood Jul 14, 2025

After their “Act Like a Man” episode, the Perrys thought it would be beneficial to also have a conversation on womanhood.

When Jackie first became a believer, she felt as though many books she read on womanhood leaned heavily on cultural contexts or norms instead of Biblical frameworks. As she has become more comfortable in her femininity, she’s learned more about what it looks like to show up as a woman in everything God has called her to, whether that be marriage, motherhood, or ministry. Jackie and Preston discuss women’s unique interpretations of scripture because of experiences men can’t relate to, why a wife’s submission to her husband is an act of tremendous strength, and how women’s voices can be prioritized and dignified in the church.

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Scripture references:

Genesis 16 (the story of Hagar)

Ephesians 5:22-24 & 23

1 Peter 3:5-6

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Navigating Church Culture Differences With Humility Jul 07, 2025

God’s people are represented in more than just your immediate Christian circle and cultural context. And if we are as Christ followers are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, there’s always something to learn from one another.

The Perrys reflect on their experiences inside different church settings, denominations, and faith expressions throughout their ministry. They’ve learned that God is too big for us to limit Him to our preferences or the church culture we’re a part of. Jackie and Preston discuss how we have to go in with open minds and humble hearts, not walking in arrogance if people’s worship looks different than ours.

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Scripture references:

Philippians 2

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The Idolatry of Knowledge Jun 23, 2025

Christianity is an intellectual faith, and the Lord wants us to use our minds. We see that in passages that say “Think on these things” or “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.” But how do you know if you’ve made an idol out of knowledge?

You might find yourself critiquing and correcting more than you build others up. Knowledge can be an idol when it’s solely for you and not used for the edification of the Body of Christ. In this episode, the Perrys discuss why it’s important that we pray for wisdom more than we seek after knowledge, and that we’re faithful with what we do know by actually applying it to our lives.

Scripture references:

Matthew 22:29-32
John 9:35-41
Colossians 2:16-23

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When You Hate The Home Jun 16, 2025

You won’t always have uninterrupted affection for the things God has called you to, and that’s normal. So what do you do when you feel like you hate being at home?

Home can be a stressful and overwhelming place, one that is completely “others” oriented. Our spouses and kids depend on us. We have responsibilities that cannot be ignored. The mundane of our day-to-day lives makes us wrestle with both our ambition and our apathy. Ultimately, we often dislike “home” because it reminds us of our need for sanctification. The Perrys discuss what to do when we struggle with this discontentment and how the Lord can renew our minds to see home as a gift to be stewarded.

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Scripture references:

Genesis 2:15

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Why Y'all Not Talking Bout The Cross No More Jun 09, 2025

We are losing sight of the simplicity of the gospel message, and we’ve got to get back to the basics. In this episode, Jackie and Preston discuss why it is that we don’t focus enough on Jesus’ redemptive work on the cross. Our sin is a big reason. We forget about God’s wrath and why we need to be saved in the first place. We get caught up in a works-based idea of sanctification. The truth of the gospel becomes uninteresting as we seek greater understanding or deeper knowledge. We can also go through the spiritual disciplines – like time in the Word or prayer – without truly abiding in Christ. All of these scenarios overcomplicate our view of the cross, and it’s time we talk about it.

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Resources:

The Cross of Christ by John Stott

Paul Washer’s 7-part sermon series, “Freedom in The Gospel”

Scripture references:

Galatians 6:14

1 Corinthians 2:1-5

Proverbs 9:10

John 13:34

John 15:3-5

2 Peter 1:3-9

Jeremiah 25:15

Romans 3:22-26

Romans 8:9-11

2 Corinthians 4:7-10

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Act Like a Man Jun 02, 2025

In 1 Corinthians, Paul says, “Act like men, be strong.” But what does manhood look like?

In this episode, Preston explores some of his earliest views of masculinity as a kid and what it meant to “be a man.” The development of our identity is shaped by both parents in unique ways, so the Perrys talk about the dynamics of being nurtured – or not – by a mother and a father. They also discuss the modeling of emotional maturity, the idea of attachment theory, healthy relationships with other men, and opportunities for discipleship.

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Resources:

Manhood Restored (Dr. Eric Mason)

This Momentary Marriage (John Piper)

Scripture references:

1 Corinthians 16:13

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Let’s Talk Fasting and Prayer May 19, 2025

It’s been a minute since the Perrys dedicated an episode to the topic of prayer, and they realize they pray differently today than they did back then. Just as sanctification changes who you are, it also changes your prayer life, so what do their prayers look like now?

Jackie and Preston also take a look at several examples of prayer in the Bible. Scripture shows us how we can approach God when we think He is disciplining us or when we doubt He is for us. Prayer grounds us as Christians, reminding us that we can’t lean on our own understanding. Through both prayer and fasting, God wants us to quiet our souls so we become more dependent on Him.

You can also go back and watch the Perrys’ conversation on prayer from 2022: Prayer: The Discipline We All Suck At

Scripture references:

John 15:2
Romans 8:31
2 Corinthians 1:9
2 Kings 19:14
1 Samuel 2
Acts 4:23-29
Daniel 3:17-18
Luke 22:42-43
Isaiah 58:5-8

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How to Be A Christian on Social Media May 12, 2025

The Perrys are back after many months away spent tending to their souls and their family. The time offline was good and at times “profoundly boring,” but as they re-engage with social media, they’ve got some thoughts.

The Perrys discuss what scripture has to say about our character, and how Christians ought to be on social media because of what the Bible says. How we show up on social media matters, and we should honor Christ while we’re there.

Scripture references:

Ephesians 5:15-17
Matthew 6:25-34
Philippians 4:11-13
Philippians 2:3
Philippians 4:5
James 1:19-20
Matthew 7:3-5
Proverbs 4:23

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Best of WTP: How To Fight For Your Marriage Apr 07, 2025

While the podcast is on a break until summer, we're revisiting some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.

If marriage feels difficult, it’s not because you and your spouse are incompatible. It’s because you’re married. On today’s episode, Jackie and Preston are joined by mentors and friends CD and Melody Fabien for a conversation about fighting for intimacy. They talk about recognizing dysfunctional rhythms, finding opportunities to connect, not building cases against your spouse, healthy confrontation, and utilizing the greatest tool God has given us to find oneness in marriage: communication.

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Best of WTP: Conflict, Confrontation, and Arguing Well Mar 03, 2025

While the podcast is on a break until summer, we're revisiting some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.

Confrontation is a necessary function of a healthy relationship and it can create more intimacy. But how do we honor God and one another as we move through conflict? The Perrys have some thoughts from what they’ve learned over the years.

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Best of WTP: Men, Marriage, Sex, and Kevin Samuels Feb 03, 2025

While the podcast is on a break until summer, we're revisiting some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.Here's an episode from June 2023 with Jackie and Preston's friend Ezekiel Azonwu.

Culture discourages men from being in community, and many men are confused about their call and spiritual giftedness. But guys are crying out for discipleship and voices that are in close proximity to them who will build them up. Let’s talk about it.

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Best of WTP: Mormonism, Homosexuality, Parenting Tips & More Jan 13, 2025

While the podcast is on a break until summer, we're revisiting some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes. In this episode from February 2023, Jackie and Preston sit down and answer questions sent in from their former Patreon community.

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Social Media Break, Slander, and Sanctification Dec 09, 2024

After a fruitful yet exhausting year, the Perrys talk about the future of the podcast and their public ministry. They discuss whether or not they did too much, what they’ve learned about rhythms of rest, how God has used success and scrutiny to make them more like Jesus, and the gifts and dangers of social media.

While some ministry will still continue at the start of the new year, new episodes of With The Perrys won’t be released until Summer 2025.

In the meantime, be sure you’re subscribed to the newsletter for occasional updates from Jackie and Preston.

Episode resources:

John Piper’s sermon about what God allows: “Seven Ways God Reigns Over Evil”

The Perrys’ 2024 recap:

Jackie’s Bible study, Ephesians: A Study of Faith and Practice, with Lifeway

Preston’s first book, How to Tell the Truth: The Story of How God Saved Me to Win Hearts—Not Just Arguments

The 16-city With The Perrys podcast tour

Acts 242 Conference

Jackie’s EP, “Practice,” with Reach Records

Preston’s Bible study, Everyday Evangelism - Bible Study Book with Video Access: Pursuing Hearts, Not Arguments, with Lifeway

The ramp-up of BOLD Apparel

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The Forgotten Art of Lament with Sarah Benibo Nov 18, 2024

Today’s podcast guest, Sarah Benibo, joins Jackie and Preston to discuss the church’s relationship with lament – or lack thereof – and the reality that we can still worship God through our expression of sorrow and grief. She explains how we are to lament by pointing to N.T. Wright’s quote that says “Lament is an appeal to God based on confidence in His character.” Our lament says “God, you are good, that I know. This circumstance I’m facing is not. Help!”

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What if Porn Was Actually Satanic? An Honest Conversation With Ray Ortlund Nov 11, 2024

Ray Ortlund is back on the podcast to discuss the topics of pornography, human dignity, sexuality, and marriage. As a pastor, Ray has come to realize that porn is the wallpaper of our culture. It’s everywhere. We’re not just looking at it; it’s looking for us. So how are we to respond and fight back with the gospel in mind?

Grab a copy of Ray’s book, The Death of Porn: Men of Integrity Building a World of Nobility and follow him on Instagram at @rayortlund.

And if you missed it, go back and listen to Ray with his wife Jani in a previous episode, Family and Parenting with Generations in Mind: A Conversation With The Ortlunds.

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Family and Parenting with Generations in Mind: A Conversation With The Ortlunds Nov 04, 2024

The “unimpressive” life you live today is really important. Even the mundane matters. God is using it and will bless you and future generations through your faithfulness. These are reminders from Ray and Jani Ortlund, who join the Perrys on the podcast to impart their wisdom from their 53-year journey in marriage and parenting.

Ray founded Immanuel Church in Nashville, where he still serves as the pastor to pastors. He and Jani together steward Renewal Ministries and recently wrote a book together called To the Tenth Generation: God’s Heart for Your Family, Far into the Future.

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https://www.threads.net/@rayortlund

https://renewalministries.com/

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How to Be a Christian During Election Season with Justin Giboney Oct 28, 2024

Justin Giboney joins the Perrys for a conversation on politics. Justin is the co-founder of the AND Campaign, a Christian civic organization for raising civic literacy among Christians so that we can engage in a better way. He talks with the Perrys about the idea that our public witness doesn’t belong to either political party, and that parties are just tools, not identities.

Follow Justin and the AND Campaign:

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https://www.instagram.com/andcampaign

The Church Politics Podcast

Resources discussed in this episode:

The Pour Over: https://signup.thepourover.org/

The Free Press: https://www.thefp.com/

Breaking Points (podcast)

UnHerd (podcast)

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Christian Endurance, Fashion, and People Pleasing (A Q&A Episode) Oct 21, 2024

It’s been a minute since the Perrys have recorded a Q&A episode, but we’ve got one for you this week. Jackie and Preston start off deep, talking about enduring hard things as Christ followers, including experiencing true spiritual warfare. They discuss topics such as fashion and aesthetics, finding the right church, talking to your kids about other religions, and how to differentiate between kindness and people-pleasing.

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Parenting Children with Special Needs and More with Megan Ashley Oct 14, 2024

Megan Ashley joins the Perrys to talk about her upbringing, faith journey, and hardships of the past several years. As a mom to a child with autism, Megan believes the church should step in to support families, and she’s advocating for churches to become more conscious of special needs. Jackie, Preston and Megan Ashley also talk about the dichotomy of darkness and beauty in their city of Atlanta, discussing the hope and expectation they have for what comes of this month’s Acts 242 discipleship conference.

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Check out her podcast, In Totality – https://www.themeganashley.com/podcast

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The State of the American Church: A Conversation with Pastor Philip Anthony Mitchell (Part Two) Oct 07, 2024

Philip Anthony Mitchell is back for Part Two of his conversation with the Perrys, talking about problems with the American church. We're seeing a drift from Orthodox Christianity and a growing dishonor for Jesus. Rampant idolatry, insensitivity to sin, leaders who are living in open rebellion to God, people clapping in rooms as they're listening to false doctrines. People don't want to be taught... they wanted to be entertained. And because of all of that, people are increasingly Biblically illiterate.

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From Rikers to Righteous: A Conversation with Pastor Philip Anthony Mitchell Sep 23, 2024

Philip Anthony Mitchell feels that he was radically brought into the Kingdom. Born in Queens, NY to Trinidadian parents, Philip found a sense of community and belonging in the streets, despite his mother and father starting a Christian ministry in the basement of their home.

Now the lead pastor of 2819 Church in Atlanta, Philip sits down with the Perrys for a conversation on the urban context and darkness of his childhood, how he was changed by prison, the idea of "calling," and the deep reverence and affection he now has for the Lord. He feels like he’s gotten a second chance at life, on the backside of a lot of pain and discipline, and he shares more of his story in this episode.

Stay tuned for Part 2 next week!

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How to Help the Church be Sacred, Soft, and Safe with Pricelis Dominguez Sep 16, 2024

Many of us have experienced hurt within the church or have had seasons of disconnection from a local faith community. Even if we haven’t, we probably see areas where our current church context could be improved. So what does a healthy church look like and how can we be a part of its flourishing?

Pricelis Dominguez talks with the Perrys about her own church experience, discussing things like pastoral red flags, how Scripture ought to be used, discerning church preferences versus priorities, and remaining hopeful in seasons of despair.

Check out Pricelis’ new book, Being a Sanctuary: The Radical Way for the Body of Christ to Be Sacred, Soft, and Safe – https://www.pricelispd.com/basbook

And there’s still time to grab tickets to Sowers Summit 2024, happening September 26-28 in New York City (and available via livestream). With The Perrys listeners get $45 off in-person registration (use code PERRYS) or $25 off virtual tickets (use code PERRYSPOD). https://www.sowerssummit.com/

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Emotional Idolatry (With The Perrys Podcast Tour) Sep 09, 2024

You know the word ‘emotional’ – we’ve all got feelings – and you’ve heard the term ‘idolatry.’ But it’s rare that we hear the two words as a phrase together. Emotions are not wrong – having them is evidence that we’re created in the image of God. But if we’re not careful, emotions can dictate our world and realities instead of God’s truth.

This week’s episode is a segment from the With The Perrys 2024 podcast tour. The NYC audience was polled for a topic they wanted to hear about and “emotional idolatry” was their pick. We’ve brought this conversation to the podcast feed for everyone to enjoy.

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Boy Mom Stuff, Preaching, and Other Gems with Priscilla Shirer Sep 02, 2024

Young men today want to be poured into, and Priscilla Shirer’s new movie is all about the power of prayer and discipleship in a boy's life. In this episode, Priscilla talks with the Perrys about parenting boys and how God has taught her to surrender her comfort in the “rough and tumble” of them growing up to be men. What did Priscilla’s parents do to instill deep faith and closeness as a family? What has been her biggest burden in ministry? It’s all in this episode.

Watch the trailer for “The Forge,” in theaters now – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JA9dvdlraw

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How to Wrestle with God with Lisa Fields Aug 26, 2024

Wrestling with God is a normal part of the Christian faith. We can’t grow in our relationship with God without questioning Him. But many of us run from hard questions or feel discouraged and angry when the answers we find are not emotionally satisfying to us. This week’s guest, Lisa Fields, has a conversation with the Perrys about learning how to wrestle well with God instead of leaving the faith.

Check out Lisa’s new book When Faith Disappoints: The Gap Between What We Believe and What We Experience.

Follow Lisa on social media: https://www.instagram.com/lisavfields

Visit Jude3Project.org to learn more about the Christian apologetics organization Lisa founded to help Black Christians specifically know what they believe and why they believe it.

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It’s Giving Self-Righteous Aug 19, 2024

Have you ever thought you were a better Christian than other Christians? We can all be self-righteous at times, but it’s bad theology. We can’t compare our spiritual maturity to that of other Christ followers, who are also flawed human beings – we must compare ourselves to Christ. In this episode, the Perrys walk us through the theology that moves us to have more gracious, less judgmental spiritual walks.

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Stewarding Influence and Liberties Aug 12, 2024

How do you steward your influence? This is a valuable question for every Christian. If you’ve been called out of darkness into His marvelous light, that is your platform to display His goodness. You have influence, even if you’re not a public figure, and others are watching. The Perrys discuss what it looks like to steward your time, finances, resources and relationships too.

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Church Girl with Dr. Sarita Lyons Aug 05, 2024

Dr. Sarita Lyons has written a book to encourage Black women specifically – based on their unique lived experience – and she sits down with the Perrys to talk about it. She also shares about her faith journey of spiritual confusion. When she went to college, she started to embrace African spiritualism with the Christian faith of her childhood but quickly learned that you can’t mix Jesus with false gods.

Church Girl: A Gospel Vision to Encourage and Challenge Black Christian Women, is available for pre-order now, or grab it wherever you buy books on August 20, 2024.

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Spouses Don’t Compete, They Complement Jul 29, 2024

We are all uniquely gifted and charged to use our gifts for the glory of God, both inside and outside the home. How can we use our gifts effectively while also helping our partner to flourish? What does it look like for husbands and wives to support each other without ego or insecurity getting in the way? The Perrys discuss how it takes both humility and love for spouses to support each other well.

Also in this episode, the Perrys talk about Preston’s DISCIPLE hat. It sells out quickly, but keep an eye out here.

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Best of WTP – What We Wish We Knew About Sex Jul 22, 2024

With the podcast tour this month, there will be a short break in recording new content, so let’s revisit some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.
What do you think about sex? It has serious physical, social, emotional, and spiritual implications. It’s the closest physical bond two human beings can have. It can bring forth both life and destruction. We’ve seen sex misused and perverted, but there’s beauty to be explored, and the Perrys discuss that idea in this episode.

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Best of WTP – Sooo, About Dating Jul 15, 2024

With the podcast tour this month, there will be a short break in recording new content, so let’s revisit some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.
Dating at any age is hard, and dating now looks different than it did “back then” (this is true no matter when your “then” might have been). Though Jackie says she doesn’t feel like she and Preston really dated – their friendship naturally grew toward marriage – the Perrys have some thoughts about the idea of discerning who you will marry.

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Best of WTP – Prayer: The Discipline We All Suck At Jul 08, 2024

Because of the podcast tour, there will be a short break in recording new content, so let’s revisit some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.
Prayer will always be a struggle because it concerns our dependence. “Do I trust myself today, or do I trust God to meet my needs?” The Perrys still feel this, that prayer might be something we always suck at. Oh, and this episode has a very important debate about washcloth usage in the shower. Enjoy!

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Is Seventh Day Adventism a Cult? Jun 17, 2024

A few months back, Dr. Eric Mason joined Jackie and Preston to talk about church dynamics and denominations, and it got some pushback from members of the SDA (Seventh Day Adventism) community. As a follow-up, Dr. Mason is back to have a conversation with Elce “Thunder” Lauriston, who used to be a conference evangelist and defender of the Adventist faith… until he says “in good consciousness and integrity” he had no choice but to leave. This episode covers the key SDA doctrines that are contradictory to Biblical truth.

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Depression, Suffering, and The Faithfulness of God’s Presence with Brenna Blain Jun 10, 2024

This episode comes with a trigger warning for discussions of suicidal ideation. If you or someone you love is in crisis, dial 988 for help. Other resources to check out include Anthem of Hope and Psychology Today.

Jackie and Preston sit down with Brenna Blain to discuss some hard things. Brenna is a wife, mom, and contemporary theologian who says she “wrestles with the intersection of faith and suffering.” She has a powerful story of the ways Jesus has rescued her, from the time she joined YWAM (Youth With a Mission) as a way to run away from God, to her eventual bipolar diagnosis and time spent in psych wards. Together, Brenna and the Perrys discuss depression, mental health crises, and how loved ones can be like Jesus and enter into suffering through the power of presence.

Pre-order Brenna’s book, Can I Say That?: How Unsafe Questions Lead Us to the Real God, out on August 14, 2024. Listen to her podcast by the same name too, Can I Say That?

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Managing Friendship Trauma and the Fear of Cultivating New Ones Jun 03, 2024

Trauma can show up in all relationships, not just romantic ones. And “friendship trauma” may sound dramatic, but experiences with others can legitimately affect your view of yourself, even the concept of friendship in general. In this episode, the Perrys talk about what it looks like to be a good friend, and how we need to work through past hurt and doubt to engage in future, healthy friendships.

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How to Make Disciples That Make Disciples May 27, 2024

When a man named Brian Dye started coming to Preston’s poetry events, Preston admits he didn’t trust him. But Brian had a burden to see young believers walk toward sanctification, and he felt called by God to help Preston to cultivate his influence. Brian’s pursuit of Preston and their ongoing discipleship relationship is the topic of today’s episode. Jackie, Preston and Brian discuss the pastoral nature of investing your life into someone else’s life and teaching as you go, and how discipleship doesn’t require creating a new program.

Follow Brian on Instagram at @visionnehemiah and @hoodheroes773. Also, check out Legacy Conference with events this fall in Chicago, Colorado Springs, Miami, and Houston.

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A Brief Conversation about Ephesians with Jasmine L. Holmes and Melissa Kruger May 20, 2024

When it comes to women in ministry who know a thing or two about studying the Bible, Jackie and her two guests, Jasmine L. Holmes and Melissa Kruger, have a ton to offer. On this episode of With The Perrys, they sit down to discuss a new Bible study resource called Ephesians: A Study of Faith and Practice. Jackie, Jasmine, and Melissa talk about the way they went about writing this Bible study together so that we can more clearly understand how we are oriented to God through Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit.

The Ephesians study will be released in June 2024. Learn more about it here.

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Other resources:

Parenting with Hope: Raising Teens for Christ in a Secular Age by Melissa Krueger (released in April 2024)

Yonder Come Day: Exploring the Collective Witness of the Formerly Enslaved by Jasmine L. Holmes (coming September 3, 2024)

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We Are All Just Jars of Clay May 13, 2024

Can we be honest? This episode almost didn't happen because The Perrys found themselves in a funk when it was time to record. Jackie admits she’s recently felt as though she’s been holding back the hand of depression. Preston reflects on spiritual opposition he’s felt during this busy season with projects and upcoming plans. So, what does it look like to fight back against anger, irritation, or sadness? It looks like leaning into spiritual disciplines – to the degree you have the strength to do them – and finding community with one another, as they model in today’s episode.

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A Conversation on Sex, Dating, and Beauty with The Azonwus May 06, 2024

Ezekiel & Kiyanna Azonwu have been married for 15+ years, and in this episode they talk with the Perrys about things like attraction, discerning who to pursue romantically, maintaining intimacy in marriage, and flourishing in Christian community. Did they get married too young? Is it okay to care about aesthetics? Would better discipleship in the church lead to healthier marriage relationships? Together, the Azonwus and the Perrys tackle these and many more questions about sex, dating and beauty.

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Practicing Humility Apr 22, 2024

Pride is an illusion wrapped in a lie, and it's in each of us. It’s our desire for total independence from our Creator, and it makes us feel good because we feel secure and capable. But it never satisfies in the way we think it will. In this episode, Preston and Jackie discuss how keeping God as our reference point is the only way to embrace true humility.

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How to Tell the Truth Apr 15, 2024

Preston operates in a number of roles: husband, father, evangelist, apologist, poet... and now, he's added "author" to the list. The Perrys discuss the spiritual opposition he experienced writing his first book and why they believe the enemy didn’t want this book to reach the world.

How to Tell the Truth isn't a book that teaches you how to evangelize "like Preston." It's a book that robs every believer of the excuses that keep them from sharing the Gospel. Here's the good news: you don't need seminary training to tell the world about Jesus.

How to Tell the Truth: The Story of How God Saved Me to Win Hearts, Not Just Arguments releases on May 21, 2024. Pre-order here: https://preston-perry.com/how-to-tell-the-truth

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It’s Our Anniversary Apr 08, 2024

In celebration of a decade of marriage, Jackie and Preston react to their wedding video and reminisce about everything from Jackie’s dress and “flower distributors” to whether or not Preston cried as she walked down the aisle and the reason they were late for their own reception. After laughing through their recollections of that day, the Perrys talk about the importance of their friendship and the beauty of learning to love one another unconditionally.

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We Ain’t Worldly No More Apr 01, 2024

Even if we’re in Christ, we can find ourselves being drawn back into former strongholds of sin and fleshly desires. The world may feel fun, but some of our “fun” has Satan attached to it, and we need deliverance. Jackie and Preston discuss the idea that we love perverted versions of pleasure – not the real thing God wants to give us. But there’s hope. If we are in Christ, we’re being sanctified every day as God regenerates us, giving us new desires, new thoughts, and new perspectives.

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How to Minister to Women at Wells Mar 25, 2024

The story of the woman at the well is a lesson from Jesus about how to do ministry. Jesus leads with His humanity and His neediness, is curious about the woman’s life, and exposes her sin to reveal her need for God. Jackie and Preston talk through common preconceived ideas about this story and how we – like the woman – can be set out on mission after simple yet impactful encounters with Christ.

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How to Get Free From Porn Mar 18, 2024

What's destructive, expensive, and detrimental to your soul? Porn. If we had eyes to see how many demons are behind pornography, we would run from it. If we knew how much the devil delights in it, it would not be appealing to us.

By the grace of God, Preston has been freed from pornography for three years, and he shares his experience in this episode. God is a loving God. If you run to Him for help, He’ll sustain you.

Find one of our first YouTube conversations on the topic here: Soooo, about pornography.

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Cults, Neo-Prosperity Gospel and the Church Mar 11, 2024

The church in America has mastered the art of gathering people, but discipleship is often lacking. Dr. Eric Mason joins the Perrys for a conversation on cults and other cultural ideologies.

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Would We Attend A Gay Wedding? Mar 04, 2024

A well-known pastor and radio host recently came under fire for his public opinion on attending the wedding of a same-sex couple, and it got the Perrys talking. How can you be faithful to Jesus while caring for and honoring people? This conversation starts at the foundation of the issue: knowing what you believe about God and marriage before discerning your ‘yes’ or your ‘no.’

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Resources:

1: Christianity Today, "Alistair Begg Meets the Politically Correct"

2: Does the Bible Support Same-Sex Marriage? by Preston Sprinkle

3: Gay Girl, Good God by Jackie Hill Perry

4: Finding the Right Hills to Die On by Gavin Ortlund

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Once Upon A Time, We Were Poets Nov 13, 2023

Before penning books, the Perrys penned poems. In this episode, Preston and Jackie give us a behind-the-scenes look inside a few of their favorite pieces. From Jackie’s testimony poem to Preston’s proposal poem, prepare to be immersed in a world of imagery, word play, alliteration, and so much more.

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My Life as a Stud

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Fighting Distractions Upon Waking Nov 06, 2023

The thought of writing a devotional never crossed Jackie's mind, but the Lord changed that. In this episode, the Perrys highlight a few things that compete for our attention and take away from adequate time in God’s Word. Jackie's new devotional, Upon Waking, was created to help us all cultivate a daily habit of seeking the Lord before anything else.

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Does the Bible Support Same-Sex Marriage? Oct 09, 2023

Preston Sprinkle doesn’t shy away from the tension of wrestling with what the Bible says about marriage and sexuality. As his theological curiosity has led him to search the scriptures and dialogue with people in the LGBTQ community, Preston is also committed to embodying the grace and kindness of Jesus. He joins the Perrys on today’s episode to discuss some of his methods in approaching the topic of same-sex marriage. It all starts with asking the fundamental question, “What is marriage?”

Follow Preston Sprinkle at PrestonSprinkle.com and check out his new book, Does the Bible Support Same-Sex Marriage?

His other books include Embodied: Transgender Identities, the Church, and What the Bible Has to Say and People to Be Loved: Why Homosexuality Is Not Just an Issue.

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How to Give the Gospel (Part 2) Oct 02, 2023

Why is it important we address sin when presenting the gospel? Because people need to know what stands in the way of their relationship with God… but how we communicate really matters. In this episode, Jackie and Preston take a look at 2 Timothy 2, which discusses character traits necessary when addressing sin. We can’t do it in our flesh. It requires dependence on the Holy Spirit. If you missed Part 1 of this gospel conversation, check it out here.

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How to Give the Gospel (Part 1) Sep 25, 2023

In our communication of the gospel message, many of us overemphasize the fall, leading the conversation by starting with our sin. We inherited sin, but we were not created to be sinful. It is wiser for us to begin the gospel conversation by communicating the nature of God – “God is good.” Join Jackie and Preston for Part 1 of a conversation on engaging those around us with the gospel, and being anchored in love as we do so.

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What Is the Gospel? (Crucial Questions) by R.C. Sproul

Gospel Fluency: Speaking the Truths of Jesus into the Everyday Stuff of Life by Jeff Vanderstelt

Romans 1 - 7 for You: For Reading, for Feeding, for Leading (God's Word for You) by Timothy Keller

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How To Fight For Your Marriage Sep 11, 2023

If marriage feels difficult, it’s not because you and your spouse are incompatible. It’s because you’re married. On today’s episode, Jackie and Preston are joined by mentors and friends CD and Melody Fabien for a conversation about fighting for intimacy. They talk about recognizing dysfunctional rhythms, finding opportunities to connect, not building cases against your spouse, healthy confrontation, and utilizing the greatest tool God has given us to find oneness in marriage: communication.

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Let’s Talk About Boldness Sep 04, 2023

Boldness isn’t making public stances on things all the time, and it’s not just saying everything that pops into your head. In this episode, Jackie and Preston talk about what it truly means to cultivate holistic boldness as a Christ follower today. It’s about obedience to God, death to self, and empowerment by the Holy Spirit. And you don’t have to feel bold to be bold. Let’s talk about it.

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That Time We Broke Up...Twice Aug 28, 2023

From being long distance to living in the same city and then taking a pivotal trip together to the Caribbean, the Perrys’ dating relationship had a bit of a rocky start. Jackie ended things with Preston not once but twice, she says out of fear of Preston’s loving pursuit of her. It didn’t help that Preston didn’t know how to lead her well. There’s a lot they would have done differently, but in the end, their story is a reflection of Jesus’ Gospel pursuit of each of us.

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A Word for Writers and Other Sufferers of Writer's Block Aug 21, 2023

A conversation with Preston about his book-writing experience turns into a much bigger dialogue about the creative process. Jackie asks Preston about the obstacles he’s run into moving from poet to author, and Preston explains why he really doesn’t believe in writer’s block. The Perrys talk about battling perfectionism, receiving critiques, and inviting other people into the writing journey.

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A Random Conversation About Church Aug 14, 2023

Many of us got comfortable not going to church through the pandemic and we’re slowly finding our way back. The Bible tells us we need other Christians and we’re missing something if we don’t gather together to hear God’s Word. But our relationship to church can still be complicated. Jackie and Preston’s conversation today covers topics like worship style preferences, doctrinally sound preaching and discipleship, the pressure that local pastors face because of social media, and the topic of church hurt.

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Infertility, Suffering, and Hagar Jul 24, 2023

A few years back, the Perrys started a series on the podcast called “Teach the Text,” and that’s the format of today’s new episode. Jackie teaches through Genesis 16 – the story of Hagar, Abram, and Sarai – reflecting on the unique questions that only a woman might think to ask of this text. Jackie and Preston discuss impatience, idolatry, and misplaced hope, at the end pointing us to the God who sees us in our suffering.

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Conflict, Confrontation, and Arguing Well Jul 17, 2023

Jackie and Preston revisit a conversation had during the very first season of the podcast five years ago – how to argue well. Confrontation is a necessary function of a healthy relationship and it can create more intimacy. But how do we honor God and one another as we move through conflict? The Perrys have some thoughts from what they’ve learned over the years.

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Is Jesus God? Jul 10, 2023

Why does it matter that we fully understand the deity of Jesus? Because if we don’t, we run the risk of worshiping the wrong God. Preston and Jackie walk through the apologetics of this important element of the Christian faith, examining scripture people often point to when questioning if Jesus is God.

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The Warfare of Ministry Jul 03, 2023

Any time we attempt to be faithful to the gospel and build anything of eternal value, there will be opposition. Listen in as Preston and Jackie share their experience with temptation, fear, and victory in gospel ministry.

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Men, Marriage, Sex, and Kevin Samuels Jun 26, 2023

We're kicking off Season Six with our brother, Ezekiel Azonwu. Listen in as Ezekiel and Preston give us a sneak peek of what to expect on their upcoming We Need To Talk Tour. Culture discourages men from being in community, and many men are confused about their call and spiritual giftedness. But guys are crying out for discipleship and voices in close proximity to them that will build them up. Let’s talk about it.

Connect with Ezekiel on Instagram at @wordsbyezekiel, and get your tickets for the tour at weneed2talktour.com.

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Mormonism, Homosexuality, Parenting Tips & More Feb 20, 2023

Our Patreon community had questions. We’ve got answers. In this season 5 finale, you get to listen in as we unpack them one by one.

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Questions That Need Answers: Kanye West and Mental Health Feb 13, 2023

This one's about Kanye and how Christians can counter culture to help wake up Mr. West.

Previous Episode Reference: The Inhumanity of Celebrity (Season 5: Episode 3)

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Homeownership Tips, Generational Wealth and Resisting Greed Feb 06, 2023

Ever been intimidated by or skeptical about homeownership and/or real estate investing? Our friend Erika B. is the woman you need to know. We invited her to join us for a discussion about building generational wealth absent of greed, wisdom for first time homebuyers, and the two most common things people lack that block them from unpacking the fullness of homeownership and real estate investing.

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Jesus and Politics, Wokeness and Other Stuff Jan 30, 2023

Politics. It’s how people become dehumanized in the sight of the “free” and the hearts of the “brave.” In this episode, we chat with our friend, Justin Giboney of The And Campaign, about identity idolatry in politics, the Gospel-focused roles Christians should play in politics, and three components necessary to truly love our neighbors, regardless of their political affiliation.

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So, About Friends Jan 23, 2023

Friends. How many of us have them? Better question: how many of us have the kind of friendships that can weather the storms of life and survive? Jackie shares the one thing that trumps everything in her deep, intimate friendships and Preston shares wisdom on cultivating healthy friendships after ending toxic ones.

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Fighting Temptations with Spiritual Warfare Jan 09, 2023

Whether you believe in it or not, every believer engages in spiritual warfare. Temptation is the enemy’s way of joining forces with sin in an attempt to destroy us. In this episode, we discuss our personal experiences with temptation post-salvation, encounters with God that changed our perspectives on spiritual warfare, and the role of faith in the battle against temptation.

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Prayer: The Discipline We All Suck At Dec 05, 2022

Ask any healthy couple and they’ll tell you that communication is key for a strong relationship. The same goes for your relationship with God, which is why prayer is essential. In this episode, we’re chatting about the enemy of prayer, why prayer feels inconvenient, and how we can suck less at it.

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Fear of Death, Social Anxiety, and Other Angsty Things Nov 21, 2022

At the root of anxiety is one tiny word that has the power to suck joy and contentment out of saints and aints alike—fear. Specifically, fear of what we cannot control. We examine why Adam and Eve lacked anxiety in the Garden and what we can gain from them to lead less anxious lives.

Book Reference: The Cry of the Soul by Dan Allender and Tremper Longman

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Storytime with Jackie Nov 14, 2022

8 balls, tube socks, and rocks—OH MY! Jackie recounts stressful (and somewhat traumatic) moments from her life before Christ that bring the Perrys to the point of uncontrollable (happy) tears.

Book Reference: Gay Girl, Good God by Jackie Hill Perry

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The Inhumanity of Celebrity Nov 07, 2022

The phenomenon of celebrity is quite…strange. Jackie talks about the pressure of maintaining a facade when notoriety places her in uncomfortable situations, and Preston advocates for a “hierarchy of opinions” to keep us all from becoming puppets. We also explore how celebrity culture affects the local church and its leaders.

Previous Episode Reference: Fame: Christian Celebrity Culture (Season 3: Episode 5)

Book Reference: Illusions of Immortality: A Psychology of Fame and Celebrity by David Giles

Book Reference: The Great Divorce by C.S. Lewis

Book Reference: When Narcissism Comes to Church by Chuck DeGroat

Podcast Reference: The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill by Christianity Today

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Let's Talk Submission: A Conversation (Part 2) Oct 31, 2022

Does running his bath water, baking him cookies, and rubbing his back equate to submission? The short answer? Nah. In this episode, we’re talking about how the purity of submission is displayed during the inconveniences of marriage and how true submission is a test of a wife’s trust—in God and in her husband.

Previous Episode Reference: When Your Man is Intimidated by Your Gifts (Season 2: Episode 1)

Book Reference: Holier Than Thou by Jackie Hill Perry

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Let's Talk Headship: A Conversation (Part 1) Oct 24, 2022

Let’s be clear— headship and dominance are not the same thing. Christ-like headship requires two things that may be difficult for some husbands: sacrifice and vulnerability. We chat about what real headship is, what it isn’t, and why it can be scary.

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Sage, Witchcraft, and Discipleship (Patreon Q&A) Sep 05, 2022

For the final episode of the season, we're answering questions from our Patreon Saints. They wanted to know if Jackie disciples people she doesn't know, our thoughts on witchcraft, and more.

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Picking Preston's Brain About Guns Aug 22, 2022

Guns aren't foreign to the American way of life and neither is the misuse, murder, and destructive violence that's caused by them. Jackie isn't the biggest fan of guns for that reason. Preston owns them and believes them to be a useful tool in protecting your family. Listen in as Jackie picks Preston's brain about guns and how to make sense of a complex subject.

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What We Wish We Knew About Sex Aug 15, 2022

We clearly knew something about sex before getting married but sadly, most of our perspectives were toxic. Worldliness and unhealthy Christian frameworks about sexuality shaped our thinking as it probably has for many of us. So let's talk about it.

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Reading While Black with Dr. Esau McCaulley Aug 08, 2022

If you heard someone use the word “Black biblical interpretation,” would you have any idea what they meant by it? We didn’t until we had a chat with Esau about it and we soon realized it’s a practice the entire church would greatly benefit from.

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Pronoun Hospitality, Understanding the Trans Community, and Other Hard Stuff Aug 01, 2022

Should I call my friend by their preferred pronoun? How should I walk with people within the trans community? Is polyamory wrong? These are common questions that we sat down with Preston Sprinkle to chat about. Preston is the author of “Embodied: Transgender Identities, the Church, and What the Bible Has to Say” and President of “The Center for Faith, Sexuality & Gender.”

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When Friends Leave the Faith Jul 25, 2022

Friends are like family. Especially friends that have the same faith as you. So it can be devastating when a friend leaves the faith they once represented. On today’s episode, we talk about how to deal with it, including how to walk with friends that are “deconstructing.”

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Guarding Your Heart in Marriage Jul 11, 2022

The Bible tells us to guard our hearts right? Well, how often have you thought about how to apply the principle to your marriage relationship? There are temptations everywhere. From ex’s, to co-workers, to pornography, even bitterness and entitlement can harden your heart towards your spouse. Let’s chat about how to keep our hearts soft towards God and each other.

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The Beautifully Confusing Trinity Jul 04, 2022

One God, in three distinct persons?? Confusing, we know.

Book Recommendation: Delighting in The Trinity

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Grieving with God with Davey Blackburn Jun 27, 2022

Grief is hard to describe but when you’re in it, you know it. It’s something everybody will have to endure at some point in time so how can we endure it “well,” if that’s even a thing? We’re joined by Davey Blackburn, a man who knows what grief is and how God is faithful to show up in it.

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Dealing with Anger Jun 20, 2022

Everybody gets mad. Some of us are angry at petty stuff. Some of us are angry at the right stuff. But how do we discern between the two or even recognize when we are dealing with anger at all?

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Sooo, About Dating Jun 13, 2022

Dating: the topic everybody loves to discuss. It feels like we covered everything in this conversation. Dating according to our “types.” Dating non-Christians and the like. Why men aren’t “choosing,” and more…

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Storytime with Preston Perry Part 2 Jun 06, 2022

Our most downloaded episode in all three seasons is “Storytime with Preston Perry” and it’s clearly because Preston has the wildest stories. Last season, he told us about a time he encountered a demon-possessed man. We’re starting off Season 4 with even more craziness.

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Season 4 Trailer Jun 03, 2022

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Storytime with Preston Perry Aug 23, 2021

If you've been around Preston for more than a day, you'll soon find out that he tells the best stories. Listen as Preston shares about the time he almost got killed, saw a demon-possessed man, and more...

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Holier Than Thou Aug 16, 2021

Holiness is a big topic in the bible. It's intimidating for some because of its associations with hell and damnation but what if we saw holiness from a new perspective? One that recognizes God's holiness as the evidence of His eternal beauty and how it is His holiness that makes Him absolutely trustworthy. Listen in as Preston picks Jackie's brain about holiness in anticipation of her new book, Holier Than Thou.

www.holierthanthoubook.net

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Questions That Need Answers: When Did Dinosaurs Exist? Aug 13, 2021

Questions that need answer is a short segment where Preston and Jackie discuss a really random yet interesting topic.

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Talking About Social Justice is Awkward Aug 09, 2021

Let's be honest here: social justice is an awkward topic nowadays. Depending on who you're talking with, it can be an antagonistic conversation or a helpful one. In this episode of With The Perrys, Jackie and Preston discuss why social justice chatter can be awkward and reasons why it shouldn't be.

Book Recommendation: Reparations: A Christian Call for Repentance and Repair

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Questions That Need Answers: Are Aliens Real? Aug 06, 2021

Questions that need answer is a short segment where Preston and Jackie discuss a really random yet interesting topic.

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Fame: Christian Celebrity Culture Aug 02, 2021

Fame isn't inherently bad but even then, it still comes with its share of snares and temptations. Preston and Jackie discuss their own experiences with fame and how Christians, no matter the size of their platform, can make sure that God's praise matters most.

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Urban Apologetics Jun 21, 2021

As it is in any culture, there are unique belief systems that spring up in response to the distinct experiences of people within a community. Oppression and/or racism in America and in the church has led to the formation of cults and black religious groups such as Hebrew Israelites, Moorish Temple of Science, and the Nation of Islam. What is central to each of these groups is a disdain for the Christian faith and its Christocentric teachings. Eric Mason, the editor of Urban Apologetics: Restoring Black Dignity with the Gospel joins Jackie and Preston to offer wisdom on how the church can equip itself to answer the questions that these growing religious groups are asking.

Urban Apologetics

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Cancel Culture Jun 14, 2021

Cancel culture is kind of a "thing" nowadays but should it be? Especially among Christians, the public shaming of certain individuals and groups may or may not be necessary but how do we determine when "canceling" someone is the righteous thing to do? Jackie and Preston will discuss the topic among themselves to see if they can come to some kind of conclusion on the matter.

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What is The Black Church? May 24, 2021

'The Black Church: This Is Our Story. This Is Our Song'. a documentary released by PBS, recently explored the story of the black church. The doc offered insight, facilitated reflection, and provided context for the space that many black Christians call or called home. In this episode of Thirty Minutes with The Perrys, Jackie and Preston are joined by Charlie Dates. The Pastor of the Historic Progressive Baptist Church in the Southside of Chicago to talk more about all things "Black Church"

Learn about Charlie Dates

"The Black Church" (on PBS)

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Jesus and Therapy May 17, 2021

The concept of Christians getting therapy shouldn't be a big deal but for some, it is. Sometimes it is said that "If Jesus is enough, then we don't need therapy." But what if therapy is a gift from Jesus? What if it's a means to help all people heal mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. Listen as Jackie and Preston discuss their own experiences with therapy and why they believe every Christian should get some.

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The Idolatry of Marriage Aug 19, 2020

Marriage is to be honored as the Bible directs us but is it being held in highest honor? Or in other words, have we, the church, made an idol out of the institution of marriage? Yes? No? Maybe so? Listen in as Preston and Jackie share their thoughts on the topic.

Book recommendations:

7 Myths About Singleness

This Momentary Marriage

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Sexuality and Self Denial: Our Thoughts on Jackie's Chat with KevOnStage Aug 12, 2020

Jackie recently conversed with KevOnStage about sexuality and, not surprisingly, it was met with a lot of controversy. One aspect of it that seems to be the most alarming was Jackie's statements on self-denial. On this episode of With The Perrys, Preston and Jackie dig more into the concept of sexuality and self-denial and the reasons why it's typically not welcomed with opened arms.

Book recommendations:

1: The Secret Thoughts of An Unlikely Convert

2: The Coddling of the American Mind

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Embracing Conflict May 06, 2020

Every relationship we will ever have will at some point have some conflict. Whether it's with our partners, our friends, our co-workers, and our kids, the hard situations that will arise are inevitable but even then, they don't have to be avoided. And they shouldn't. In this podcast, Preston and Jackie talk through their different styles of embracing conflict and how they've learned and are learning to see that as Christians, conflict really can be a good thing.

Book Recommendation: Relationships: A Mess Worth Making

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How We Met Apr 22, 2020

Who doesn't enjoy a good love story every now and then? Jackie doesn't. But both her and Preston still figured it would be beneficial to share their own. On this episode, listen in as they discuss their first impression of each other, how they came to realize that they were each other's "one," and other details that both singles and spouses would be able to glean from.

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Corona Crazy Apr 08, 2020

Since the recent outbreak of Covid 19 in the States and in the World, all of our lives have been turned upside down. Listen in as Jackie and Preston discuss their thoughts on being quarantined, trusting God to provide financially, parenting during a pandemic, and the sovereignty of God.

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Teach The Text : John 9 Mar 04, 2020

Back again is another episode of "Teach The Text" where either Jackie or Preston take a book or passage from the Bible and teach it. On this episode, Preston walks through a pretty popular narrative in the scriptures when Jesus healed a man that was born blind. Not surprisingly, this story has many connections to our modern context such as dealing with religious folk, suffering, and more.

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Gender Identity, Biblical Womanhood, & Girly Girls Feb 20, 2020

Jackie never considered herself a "girly girl," or whatever that means. She, like many women, found themselves being labeled a "tom boy" or "masculine" because she didn't wear purses and the like. These words were spoken by people who never had a biblical framework for how to understand gender in the first place. Situations such as these have clearly led to much confusion in the church and in the culture about what it means to be male and female in this world. Listen in as Preston and Jackie chat about it.

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When Your Man is Intimidated by Your Gifts Feb 12, 2020

Giftedness and the success that can accompany it isn't gendered. Both men and women have the capacity to do great things with the gifts God has given them. But for some women, this comes with a hefty price. Their gifts, talents, and abilities can tend to intimidate the men in their lives. On this episode, Preston and Jackie have a conversation about why that's a thing and what couples can do individually to love and support each other above it all.

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Teach The Text: Jude Oct 30, 2019

We're introducing a new series to 30 Minutes with The Perry's titled "Teach The Text". During Teach The Text, either Jackie or Preston will walk through a bible passage that they're currently studying. On this first episode of "Teach The Text", Jackie will walk through the book of Jude.

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