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    We Dissent

    We Dissent is a monthly law podcast hosted by two secular women, who are also attorneys at the Freedom From Religion Foundation and Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Join us as we discuss developments affecting the separation of church and state in the US Supreme Court and lower federal courts. We’ll also explore other advocacy work we do to help atheists and other nonreligious people outside the courtroom. We know there are so many atheist podcasts and legal podcasts and you have a lot to choose from, but we hope you’ll join us, the only legal podcast for atheists and agnostics hosted completely by women lawyers. We can’t wait to start these conversations.

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    Annual Listener Mailbag! Feb 19, 2025
    Show notes

    Liz and Rebecca take a break from the regular schedule to answer listener questions. They talk about how the founders viewed state/church separation, the issues our movement should focus on, and how to engage women in the cause of secularism.

    Resources

    • AU's Project 2025 Hub

    • Abortion resources

      • aidaccess.org

      • plancpills.org

    • How to Contact Your Elected Officials

    • FFRF

      • Join FFRF

      • Donate to FFRF

      • Sign up for action alerts

    • Americans United

      • Join AU

      • Donate to AU

      • Sign up for action alerts

    Check us out on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, Bluesky, and X.

    Our website, we-dissent.org, has more information as well as episode transcripts.

    Skrmetti v. U.S. Jan 22, 2025
    Show notes

    SCOTUS is considering whether Tennessee's total ban on transgender medical care for minors violates the Equal Protection Clause, and Liz and Rebecca have some thoughts. They explain what the oral arguments last month revealed and what the stakes are for the real people who will be affected by the Court's decision.

    Background

    • Case page on SCOTUSblog

    • Oral Arguments Transcript

    • Senate Bill 1

    • NYT: "Opinion - The Supreme Court Just Showed Us What Contempt for Expertise Looks Like"

    • SCOTUSblog: Supreme Court appears ready to uphold Tennessee ban on youth transgender care

    Cases

    • Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission (2018)

    • Loving v. Virginia (1967)

    • Bostock v. Clayton County (2020)

    Submit your questions for the mailbag episode here!

    Check us out on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, Bluesky, and X.

    Our website, we-dissent.org, has more information as well as episode transcripts.

    Election Postmortem Dec 18, 2024
    Show notes

    Liz and Rebecca process the 2024 election results. They discuss the challenges the new administration will bring, some under-the-radar encouraging election results, and how their organizations plan to continue fighting for secular democracy in the months and years ahead.

    Background

    • National Women's Law Center

    • Abortion

      • ACLU of Missouri's abortion case - Comprehensive Health of Planned Parenthood Great Plains & Planned Parenthood Great Rivers v. Missouri

      • AU's abortion case - Rev. Blackmon v. Missouri

    • Results for education and school choice ballot measures, 2024

    • Project 2025

      • Episode 34 - Project 2025

      • AU's Project 2025 Hub

      • CBS News: "See the full list of Trump Cabinet picks and major White House appointments"

      • New York Magazine: "All of the Trump Cabinet Picks That Have Ties to Project 2025"

    Resources

    • FFRF

      • Join FFRF

      • Donate to FFRF

      • Sign up for action alerts

    • Americans United

      • Join AU

      • Donate to AU

      • Sign up for action alerts

    • How to Contact Your Elected Officials

    Check us out on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, Bluesky, and X.

    Our website, we-dissent.org, has more information as well as episode transcripts.

    The Crisis Pregnancy Center Crisis with Jenifer McKenna Nov 20, 2024
    Show notes

    Alison, Liz, and Rebecca are joined by Jenifer McKenna to talk about the billion dollar crisis pregnancy center industry and its role in the anti-abortion movement. They discuss the massive harms caused by these unregulated fake clinics, Jenifer's work on the first multi-state CPC investigation, and a new approach to exposing their unethical tactics and fighting back.

    Show Notes

    • Reproductive Health & Freedom Watch

    • "Designed to Deceive: A Study of the Crisis Pregnancy Center Industry in Nine States"

    • Reproductive Health & Freedom Watch: Recent CPC research and analysis

      • "Why is the billion-dollar unregulated pregnancy clinic industry receiving increasing taxpayer dollars?"

      • "Unregulated Pregnancy Clinic Industry's Revenue Soars to $1.7 Billion Annually"

      • "Anti-Choice Leaders Are Mobilizing Thousands of Unregulated Pregnancy Clinics Against Abortion Access Ballot Initiatives"

    • Jenifer McKenna's Ms Magazine articles

      • "Anti-Abortion Extremists Are Diverting Tax Dollars to Crisis Pregnancy Centers"

      • "Unregulated Pregnancy Clinics Collect Health Information From Pregnant People—With No Privacy Protection"

      • "Documentary 'Preconceived' Exposes Horrors of Crisis Pregnancy Center Industry: 'I Came to You for Help. Why Did You Lie?'"

    • Women's Law Project

    • Gender Justice

    • Rewire investigation on LIFElink Carolina

    • "Preconceived" Documentary

    Cases

    • NIFLA v. Becerra (2018)

    • Jane Doe v. Clearway Clinic (2023)

    • Four Women Health Services v. Abundant Hope Pregnancy Resource Center (2024)

    Check us out on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and X.

    Our website, we-dissent.org, has more information as well as episode transcripts.

    Sarah Posner on Tyranny by a Minority Oct 16, 2024
    Show notes

    Alison, Liz, and Rebecca interview Sarah Posner, author and interviewer. They discuss the evolution of the Christian right, debate how to talk about Christian Nationalism, and break down the sky high stakes of this year's election.

    Show Notes

    • Sarah Posner's Website

    • Sarah's new book: Unholy: How White Christian Nationalists Powered the Trump Presidency, and the Devastating Legacy They Left Behind

    • Previous episode on Project 2025

    • Anna Bower, Lawfare: "Will Georgia's New Election Rules Allow Trump to Steal the Presidency?"

    • Catherine Joyce, Vanity Fair: "Behind the Catholic Right's Celebrity-Conversion Industrial Complex"

    • Previous episode with interview of Christians Against Christian Nationalism's Amanda Tyler

    • Lydia Bean, The Politics of Evangelical Identity

    Check us out on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and X.

    Our website, we-dissent.org, has more information as well as episode transcripts.

    Project 2025—Roadmap to Hell Sep 18, 2024
    Show notes

    Alison, Liz, and Rebecca dig into Project 2025, the comprehensive transition project for the next conservative administration. They explain the project and illustrate the throughlines of its policy agenda— Christian nationalist ideology and the obliteration of the separation of church and state.

    Background

    • SPLC on Alliance Defending Freedom

    • Project 2025's Four Pillars

      • #1: Mandate for Leadership 2025: The Conservative Promise

      • #2: Presidential Personnel Database & Presidential Administration Academy Questionnaire

        • New York Times (2024) - "A Questionnaire for Applicants to the Next Conservative White House"

      • #3: Presidential Administration Academy

        • ProPublica (2024) - "Inside Project 2025's Secret Training Videos"

      • #4: 180-Day Playbook

    • Katherine Stewart, The Power Worshippers

    • U.S. Department of Education "Dear Colleague Letter"

    Resources

    • AU's Project 2025 Hub

    Check us out on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and X.

    Our website, we-dissent.org, has more information as well as episode transcripts.

    A Conversation with Secular Legislator Sen. Kelda Roys Aug 21, 2024
    Show notes

    Alison, Liz, and Rebecca speak with Wisconsin State Senator Kelda Roys. They discuss what it's like to be a nonreligious lawmaker in today's legislative world as well as the threat of Christian Nationalism to our secular democracy and civil rights like reproductive freedom.

    Background

    • Senator Kelda Roys' bio

    • Congressional Freethought Caucus

    • Abortion resources

      • aidaccess.org

      • plancpills.org

    • Previous episode that discusses mifepristone

    • Jessica Valenti substack

    • Jill Filipovic substack

    Check us out on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and X.

    Our website, we-dissent.org, has more information as well as episode transcripts.

    The Supreme Court vs. The People Jul 17, 2024
    Show notes

    Alison, Liz, and Rebecca break down the 2024 Supreme Court term. They explain how the Court decided the two cases affecting abortion access, then they explain several other decisions of the Court that massively disrupt how the government functions and shift even more power away from the people.

    Cases and Background

    • Mifepristone Case - FDA v. Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine

      • Previous episode

      • Decision

      • FFRF and AA's Amicus Brief

      • AU's Amicus Brief

    • EMTALA Case - Moyle v. US

      • Previous episode

      • Decision

      • Joint Amicus Brief

    • Chevron Case - Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo

      • Previous episode on regulations

      • Decision

      • SEC v. Jarkesy

      • Corner Post v. Federal Reserve

    • Presidency and Criminal Liability Case - Trump v. US

      • Decision

    Check us out on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and X.

    Our website, we-dissent.org, has more information as well as episode transcripts.

    Talking Reproductive Rights with Maya Rupert Jun 20, 2024
    Show notes

    Alison, Liz, and Rebecca are joined by reproductive rights expert, political strategist, and advocate Maya Rupert. They discuss how the fight for reproductive justice is being waged post-Dobbs and why the personal has never been more political.

    Background

    • When We Win with Maya Rupert

    • Center For Reproductive Rights

    • National Women's Law Center

    • Explanation of EMTALA

    • Joint amicus brief

    • Episode 30 - The Mifepristone Case at SCOTUS

    Cases

    • Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization (2022)

    • Moyle v. United States (2024)

    Check us out on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and X.

    Our website, we-dissent.org, has more information as well as episode transcripts.

    The Mifepristone Case at SCOTUS May 15, 2024
    Show notes

    Not two years after overturning Roe v. Wade, the US Supreme Court is considering a case that threatens to take the abortion pill, mifepristone, off the market. Alison, Liz, and Rebecca explain how the anti-abortion activist lawsuit started, how it got to the Court, and what we learned from the recent oral arguments.

    Background

    • SCOTUSblog

    • Oral arguments transcript

    • FFRF's Trump judges report

    • Americans United's amicus brief

    • FFRF and AA's joint amicus brief

    • New York Times (2021) - "F.D.A. Will Permanently Allow Abortion Pills by Mail"

    • FFRF's Ask An Atheist - "Dr. Alito, What Pills Can I Take?"

    Other Links

    • Episode 9 – No Victory for Religious Liberty: Discussing Coach Prayer with Rachel Laser

    • AU's Website

    • FFRF's Website

    • AA's Website

    Check us out on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and X.

    Our website, we-dissent.org, has more information as well as episode transcripts.

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