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Roman's 13: Give to God What is God's Jun 30, 2025

Show notes

Is Romans 13 being misused to justify political or social agendas? In this intellectually rich yet accessible discussion, the hosts tackle the challenges of interpreting Romans 13 in the context of faith, politics, and justice. Exploring the tension between government authority and the church's mission to love one's neighbor above all, they delve into nuanced themes like "cruciformity," cultural challenges, and the role of the church in society.

Through a thoughtful lens, the episode contrasts Paul's teachings on governance with Jesus' profound declaration to "give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." What does this mean for Christians navigating today's cultural issues? From historical insights to modern implications, this conversation offers clarity on how faith intersects with civic life while challenging misuse of scripture to justify injustice.

Join the dialogue as the hosts emphasize humility, curiosity, and critical thinking in a pursuit to follow Jesus' teachings. How should the church respond to injustice? What does it mean to embody love and justice in a world of political tension? We encourage discussion and welcome your thoughts—engage with us on Facebook, Instagram, or send in your questions as we continue this journey together. Let's explore what it means to live out faith authentically in today's world.

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CHAPTERS:

00:00 - Intro

04:32 - The Now and Not Yet

07:16 - Understanding Romans 13

11:02 - ICE Deporting Christians

18:53 - Wrapping up Romans 13

22:49 - The Emperor is Not God

26:35 - Exile and Its Implications

28:30 - Tax Revolt Discussion

30:58 - Misapplication of Romans 13

32:15 - What We Owe the Government

35:13 - Context of Luke 20

38:36 - The Trap Set for Jesus

43:09 - Jesus's Response Explained

47:50 - The Best Way to Scare a Tory

54:54 - Matt Soerens Emails Mike

57:27 - Email from Matt 1:00:50 - Shema and Its Significance

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What About Romans 13... Joyful Non-Compliance: Faith in Action Today Jun 23, 2025

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What does "Joyful Non-Compliance" look like in today's world? In this thought-provoking episode, the hosts explore how faith intersects with politics, justice, and cultural challenges. Diving into Romans 12 and 13, they discuss the biblical posture of joyful, peaceful non-compliance, emphasizing the church's role in society as a force of love, justice, and truth. From the complexities of navigating immigration issues to the tension between idolatry and injustice in government, this conversation unpacks what it means to live out cruciformity—a life shaped by the cross—in a chaotic world.

Key insights include the distinction between peacekeeping and peacemaking, the theological implications of governance, and how Christians can embody a faithful, socially engaged presence amidst cultural turmoil. With practical examples and a deep dive into the text, the hosts challenge listeners to embrace a countercultural, Jesus-centered response to injustice and idolatry.

Join the discussion and share your thoughts! How can we, as individuals and communities, live out this call to justice and non-compliance with humility and hope? Feel free to email questions or engage with us on Facebook and Instagram—we encourage and value your perspectives as we pursue this journey together. Let's continue the conversation about faith, justice, and the transformative power of the gospel.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Personal Updates 02:58 Exploring Joy and Grief 05:57 Understanding Joyful Noncompliance 08:59 The Role of Theology in Current Events 11:54 Recent Global Events and Their Implications 14:51 Theological Perspectives on Israel and Foreign Policy 18:00 Immigration Policies and Their Impact 20:49 Non-Compliance and Moral Responsibility 23:39 Romans 13 and Its Application 31:47 The Application of Romans 13 39:27 The Role of Government in Society 46:08 The Relationship Between Romans 12 and 13 56:16 Peacemaking in a Divided World

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Joyful, Peaceful, and Gracious Noncompliance Jun 16, 2025

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How should Christians approach immigration, justice, and faith in today's cultural climate? In this episode of the Voxology Podcast, Mike and Tim dive into "Joyful, Peaceful, and Gracious Noncompliance," exploring what scripture teaches about welcoming the stranger, showing compassion, and advocating for justice.

Drawing on the work of experts like Matthew Soerens and their own reflections, they tackle the complex intersections of cruciformity, faith and politics, and the role of the church in society. Through real-life stories, scripture analysis, and discussions on cultural challenges, they address the dehumanizing language often used in immigration debates, the tension between legality and justice, and the church's responsibility to embody the teachings of Jesus. What does it mean to love our neighbor, especially when they are vulnerable? How can the church navigate these issues with humility, courage, and hope?

Engage with thoughtful insights, critical questions, and a call to action to advocate for justice in peaceful, gracious ways. Feel free to email your questions, share your perspectives on social media, and join the conversation as we pursue faithfulness to Jesus in a complex world. Together, let's reflect on how Christianity can shape a more just and compassionate society.

#news #newstoday #greencard #biblestudy #faithandjustice

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Context of Immigration Discussion 02:50 Personal Stories and Anecdotes on Immigration 06:06 The Role of the Church in Immigration Issues 09:05 Current Administration's Immigration Policies 11:58 Language and Rhetoric in Immigration Discourse 14:51 Understanding Different Types of Immigrants 17:46 Legal Status and Its Implications 21:01 Biblical Perspectives on Immigration 23:54 Theological Arguments for Compassionate Immigration Policies 27:12 Conclusion and Call to Action 51:12 The Call to Welcome Strangers 52:34 God's Heart for the Vulnerable 53:30 The Church as Foreigners and Exiles 58:12 Christian Identity and Immigration 01:01:51 Citizenship in the Kingdom of God 01:08:34 The Role of Government and Justice 01:15:21 Advocacy and Non-Compliance 01:21:47 The Church's Responsibility in Advocacy

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The World of, Behind and In Front of the Text: Navigating Biblical Interpretations Jun 09, 2025

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In this episode, Tim and Mike continue the conversation about the complexities of biblical interpretation, exploring how various contexts—textual, cultural, and personal—shape our understanding of scripture. What does "biblical" really mean, and why does it matter in today's world? Mike and Tim explore the "world of the text," the cultural and historical contexts "behind the text," and the modern assumptions we bring "in front of the text." With humor, humility, and intellectual depth, they examine how varying social locations, traditions, and cultural frameworks shape our understanding of scripture, and how the Spirit of God works through it all.

From discussing the challenges of "cruciformity" to navigating cultural issues like justice, faith, and the role of the church in society, this episode invites listeners to wrestle with the tension between timeless truths and modern interpretations. Drawing on examples like the parable of the prodigal son and the story of Ruth, they highlight the importance of curiosity, critical thinking, and engaging diverse perspectives to faithfully live out the teachings of Jesus.

How do we discern faithful readings of scripture in a world filled with self-defined "biblical" interpretations? Tune in to explore this nuanced conversation, and share your thoughts as we seek to grow together. We encourage you to join the discussion on Facebook and Instagram or send in your questions—your voice matters in this journey of faith and learning!

#bible #contextisking #biblestudy #topversestakenoutofcontext #scriptureoutofcontext #bible #privateinterpretation #principlesofinterpretation #exegesis #literalinterpretation

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Context Setting 03:03 Exploring Biblical Interpretations 05:45 Understanding the Text: World of the Text 09:04 Contextual Influences: World Behind the Text 11:53 Cultural Dynamics and Historical Context 15:11 Personal Perspectives: World in Front of the Text 18:04 The Role of the Spirit in Interpretation 21:04 The Journey of Understanding Scripture 23:56 Conclusion and Reflection 28:36 Cultural Perspectives on Hunger 30:02 The Layers of Parables 32:11 Human and Divine Texts 33:19 Relating to Biblical Characters 35:40 Understanding Minority Voices in Scripture 36:43 The Spirit and the Text 39:29 Authority and Interpretation 42:12 The Nature of Authority in Scripture 48:16 Disagreeing Theologically

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The Bible as a Cross Cultural Experience Jun 02, 2025

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Is the label "biblical" helping or hurting how we approach faith, church, and cultural challenges? In this thought-provoking episode of the Voxology Podcast, Mike and Tim explore the pitfalls of using "biblical" as a rigid brand, how it impacts theology, and its effects on navigating issues like justice, community, and interpretation of Scripture.

They discuss the importance of reading the Bible in community, embracing humility, and fostering critical thinking to form faithful and wise communities. Drawing on listener feedback, they tackle how Scripture has been used both to liberate and to harm and ask what it means to embody a cruciform way of living.

The conversation dives into the role of the church in society, the balance between individual and communal faith practices, and the dangers of reducing the Bible to oversimplified categories. With humor, deep insight, and a commitment to justice and Jesus' teachings, this episode invites you to rethink how we engage with Scripture and one another.

#bible #selfimprovement #foundationforintentionalcommunity #biblestudy #importanceofchristiancommunity #bible #solascriptura #livingbythebook #eisegesisvs.exegesis #biblestudy

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Week Recap 02:51 Modeling for a Glamping Resort 06:05 Podcast Updates and Listener Feedback 09:07 Discussion on Bible Accessibility and Interpretation 11:57 The Role of Community in Bible Reading 18:09 Intent Behind Bible Study 21:05 Unity and Diversity in the Bible 26:00 The Purpose of the Bible in Community 30:09 Critique of Biblical Branding 34:02 Closing Thoughts on Wisdom and Learning 35:25 The Limitations of Biblical Prepackaging 38:51 The Harm of Misusing Biblical Concepts 44:52 Understanding the Bible as a Cross-Cultural Experience 51:59 The Three Elements of Biblical Interpretation 59:52 The Importance of Context in Biblical Texts 01:06:01 The Dark History of Biblical Misinterpretation 01:09:55 Navigating Modern Misinformation and Biblical Understanding

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Why 'Biblical' Might Not Mean What You Think May 26, 2025

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Is "biblical" always what it seems? In this thought-provoking episode, the hosts unpack why the word "biblical" might not mean what you think and explore its misuse across faith, politics, and cultural issues. From examining how "biblical" has become a branding tool to discussing its role in sociological stress tests and power dynamics, this conversation challenges us to rethink how we approach scripture and the teachings of Jesus.

The discussion delves into the complexity of interpreting the Bible, emphasizing the need to consider the text itself, the cultural context behind the text, and our own assumptions in front of the text. With deep humility and intellectual curiosity, the hosts highlight how faithful readings of scripture require dialogue, critical thinking, and a willingness to hold tension between differing perspectives.

How does the Bible shape the church's role in society? What does it mean to navigate cultural challenges with cruciformity and justice in mind? Join the conversation as these questions and more are explored with nuance and authenticity.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction 02:58 Exploring the Concept of 'Biblical' 05:55 The Sociological and Branding Aspects of 'Biblical' 08:49 The Ambiguity of 'Biblical' in Conversations 11:56 The Power Dynamics of 'Biblical' Language 15:04 The Clear Teaching of the Bible: A Nuanced Approach 17:55 Understanding Context: Behind and In Front of the Text 31:33 The Complexity of Biblical Teachings 36:28 Navigating Interpretations and Understanding 40:04 The Role of Community in Biblical Interpretation 49:07 The Nature of Communication and Misunderstanding 56:18 Unity in Biblical Diversity

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Discernment: Cruciformity is Active, Not Passive May 19, 2025

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Discernment: Cruciformity is Active, Not Passive. On this episode of the Voxology podcast, Mike Erre and Tim Stafford focus on discernment in faith, the essence of Christian identity, and the importance of critiquing ideologies rather than individuals. They emphasize the need for community engagement and humanizing conversations across divides, particularly in the context of immigration and societal issues. Further, Tim and Mike explore the complexities of homelessness, systemic issues, and the role of faith in addressing societal challenges. They discuss the importance of understanding the root causes of homelessness, the church's responsibility in promoting human flourishing, and the significance of inclusivity at Jesus' table. The dialogue also delves into the church's political involvement, the concept of cruciformity, and the challenges of navigating emotional overload while advocating for justice. Ultimately, they emphasize the need for a Christ-like approach to engagement in the world.

"Lean In" with Matthew Soerens and Mike Erre: RSVP

Unless it sounds/acts like Jesus, it's not Christian
Who is the real enemy?
The Table is open to all, but prioritize who Jesus prioritizes
First the Church Then the World
Nothing is so urgent to get off your cross for

Chapters

00:00 - Celebrating a Decade of Voxology Podcast 02:56 - The Power of Live Music Experiences 05:57 - Revamping the Voxology Podcast 09:02 - Exploring Discernment in Faith 12:02 - Understanding Christian Identity 14:57 - Identifying the Real Enemy 18:06 - Critiquing Ideologies vs. Individuals 21:01 - The Importance of Community Engagement 23:58 - Humanizing Conversations Across Divides 29:59 - Understanding Homelessness and Systemic Issues 31:45 - Faithfulness and the Role of the Church 35:43 - The Table of Jesus: Inclusion and Prioritization 39:12 - Political Involvement and the Church's Role 42:34 - Cruciformity: Staying on the Cross 49:10 - Navigating Emotional Overload and Advocacy

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The Corruption of Biblical Leadership (Cruciformity Series) May 12, 2025

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What does leadership shaped by the cross really look like in today's church—and how far have we drifted from it? Mike and Tim continue the Cruciformity Series with a raw, revealing, and intensely personal reflection on their own experiences with American evangelical leadership culture. From megachurch strategy to influence-based platforms, they unpack how conventional models of "biblical leadership" often mirror corporate America more than Christ.

This episode challenges deeply ingrained assumptions about success, authority, platform, and power, and proposes a radically different path: cruciform leadership, rooted in humility, weakness, and the relentless pursuit of others' flourishing. Mike shares his personal struggle of unlearning old paradigms and embracing a leadership ethos shaped by Jesus' downward trajectory from divinity to servanthood. It's a must-listen for pastors, churchgoers, and anyone navigating the tension between faithfulness and influence.

Key Takeaways: • What is Cruciform Leadership? – How the biblical model of leadership centers on self-giving love and the surrender of privilege. • The Seduction of Success Metrics – Why growth, platform, and "effectiveness" are poor substitutes for faithfulness and Christlikeness. • From CEO to Servant – Reframing pastoral roles through surrender, not strategy. • Personal Confession and Reflection – Mike shares how his perspective changed after decades in the evangelical megachurch system. • Leadership Beyond the Church – Exploring how cruciformity applies in workplaces, families, and personal relationships.

Quotes to Remember: • "Cruciform leadership isn't about getting things done—it's about delivering God's love and grace into people's lives, daily." • "You can run a church, a marriage, or a business using old creation power. But the gospel calls you to something new."

Resources Mentioned: • Tim Gombis – The Drama of Ephesians • Dallas Willard – Quotes on humility & leadership • Caitlin Schess interview – On platform vs. message • Book of Philippians 2 – The downward trajectory of Jesus • Mark Gombis's Commentary on Mark

Whether you've been hurt by church leadership, led within it, or simply want to grow as a follower of Jesus, this episode invites you to a deeper and more transformative way of thinking about influence, success, and faith.

Keep engaging with us by subscribing, leaving a review, or connecting on social media. We'd love to hear your stories as we pursue the way of Jesus together.

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Prophetic Resistance: Challenging the Status Quo (Cruciformity Series) May 05, 2025

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How the church responds when Jesus is co-opted by political power, and what it means to faithfully resist using cruciform love. In this latest installment of the Exile Series, Mike and Tim explore recent headlines where government leaders invoke Christianity as a means to assert national identity and justify coercive policies. Rather than offering partisan critique, they unpack the deeper spiritual crisis at work—when the name of Jesus is taken in vain to baptize authoritarianism and cultural dominance.

Rooted in Walter Brueggemann's prophetic framework of "reality, grief, and hope," Mike and Tim lead a passionate discussion around resisting empire the way Jesus did—through embodied love, not religious spectacle. They revisit core biblical ideas of the church living as exiles and dive deeply into the last days of Jesus' life—highlighting not just the fact that Jesus died on the cross, but how he lived and loved on it. From forgiveness to hospitality to non-retaliation, Jesus models a radical way of confronting evil with redemptive good.

Key Takeaways: • Resisting Political Appropriation of Christianity – How invoking Jesus to justify state power is a modern form of taking the Lord's name in vain. • Walter Brueggemann's Prophetic Framework – "Reality, grief, and hope" as a lens to navigate our cultural moment and resist false ideologies. • Cruciformity as Active Resistance – Jesus didn't just die for us—he loved, forgave, and restored while dying. This nonviolent, redemptive love becomes the pattern for Christian resistance. • Reordering Our Spheres – Why the private, social, and public spheres must be aligned in love and integrity, and why public outrage alone isn't the answer. • The Church as a Community of Justice – A call to form communities that shelter the vulnerable, confront injustice, and embody the Sermon on the Mount in both small and subversive ways.

Guest Highlights: No external guests—but powerful contributions from voices like Walter Brueggemann, Tim Gombis, and public figures such as Rev. William Barber and Shane Claiborne are discussed in the context of prophetic Christian witness.

Resources Mentioned: • Reality, Grief, and Hope by Walter Brueggemann • Ephesians (particularly chapters 2-4) – Link • Voxology's Exile Series Archive – voxologypodcast.com • Book: Resident Aliens by Hauerwas & Willimon • Book: The Patient Ferment of the Early Church by Alan Kreider

Feeling overwhelmed by the cultural co-opting of Christianity? You're not alone. Join us as we discern the way of Jesus, especially when it's unpopular. Don't forget to subscribe, share this episode, and leave us a review. Let's keep walking this road of faith, justice, and hopeful resistance—together.

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A Teachable Spirit: The Virtue of Learning from Strangers, Enemies, and Absolutely Anyone - w/ A. J. Swoboda Apr 28, 2025

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How reclaiming a teachable spirit can radically transform our faith, our churches, and our relationships with those we often see as "the other." Mike and Tim welcome theologian, pastor, and author A.J. Swoboda to unpack his latest book, The Teachable Spirit: The Virtue of Learning from Strangers, Enemies, and Absolutely Anyone, as well as a powerful call for intellectual humility and curiosity within Christian community.

Together, they explore why Christians should be the most curious people in the world—yet are often seen as some of the least teachable—and how engaging others (even those we vehemently disagree with) can be a deeply Christlike act of discipleship and hospitality.

Key Takeaways: • The Cost of Curiosity – Why a teachable spirit is more important than ever in a polarized culture, and how refusing to learn keeps Christians stuck in cycles of fear and pride. • Learning from Enemies – How sitting at the feet of someone you disagree with can strengthen faith, not threaten it—and why it's an essential posture for being salt and light in the world. • Intellectual Humility as a Spiritual Discipline – Understanding that learning doesn't always mean agreeing, and that repentance and growth require letting go of certainty. • Babylon vs. Jerusalem – Applying Daniel's exilic posture in a modern world where Christians often prioritize cultural dominance over Christlike witness. • Shame and the Fear of Not Knowing – A touching and honest reflection from A.J. on how vulnerability around what we don't know (like his story about a screwdriver) can lead to deeper discipleship and spiritual maturity.

Guest Highlights: A.J. Swoboda – Professor, pastor, and co-host of the Slow Theology podcast, A.J. brings humor, vulnerability, and a prophetic lens to what it means to be a learner in today's world. His new book, The Teachable Spirit, challenges Christians to pursue curiosity as a virtue and to rediscover the joy of growing, even when it's uncomfortable.

Resources Mentioned: • A.J. Swoboda – The Teachable Spirit: The Virtue of Learning from Strangers, Enemies, and Absolutely Anyone • Slow Theology podcast (with Nijay Gupta) – Listen here • Rodney Stark – Writings on the sociology of early Christianity • Daniel 9 – Reflections on exile and living faithfully in Babylon • Upcoming Book Club – The Upside-Down Kingdom by Donald Kraybill (starts June 5)

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