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    Volts

    Volts is a podcast about leaving fossil fuels behind. I’ve been reporting on and explaining clean-energy topics for almost 20 years, and I love talking to politicians, analysts, innovators, and activists about the latest progress in the world’s most important fight. (Volts is entirely subscriber-supported. Sign up!)

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    He helped Uruguay decarbonize. Can he help other countries do the same? Aug 19, 2026
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    Ramón Méndez Galain helped Uruguay decarbonize its grid (today it’s 98% fossil-free) while keeping the utility public and letting private capital foot the bill. Now he’s trying to export the same playbook across the global South. We talk through how Uruguay pulled it off — the hydro “battery” for wind & solar “baseload,” the cross-party political deal, the market redesign — and what actually transfers to countries without the same advantages. We also discuss why, seven years on, no other country has followed Uruguay’s path.

    Chapters:

    00:00 – Introduction

    03:09 – From particle physics to a nuclear proposal

    05:46 – Taking the job as energy secretary

    07:00 – The 2008 crisis: drought, expensive oil, blackouts

    09:26 – Getting every party to sign the same plan

    12:51 – Why climate was not the lead argument

    15:42 – Attracting private capital without privatizing

    20:22 – What a public utility made possible

    23:06 – Planning a grid where wind and solar are the base load

    29:26 – Thermal plants as insurance, and the last 2 percent

    32:36 – EVs, smart meters, and building an electrostate

    37:33 – Why bills fell less than generation costs

    39:46 – What transfers to other countries

    44:15 – Optimum curtailment, Colombia, and Haiti

    50:51 – The political work, and the argument against the dominant narrative

    56:36 – The Global South and the NDC as development catalyst


    Can public EV chargers be as reliable as gas stations? Aug 14, 2026
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    As the U.S. EV market slows and federal charging support recedes, IONNA, a fast-charging network backed by eight major automakers, is still expanding. On Volts, CEO Seth Cutler makes the case that public charging is entering a new phase focused on reliability and customer experience, but the economics remain difficult, with low utilization and demand charges squeezing margins. With roughly 1,300 bays live and a target of 30,000, IONNA is testing whether a multi-brand network can offer a Tesla-like charging experience while building a sustainable business.

    Chapters:

    00:00 – Introduction: can public EV charging be as reliable as a gas station?

    02:30 – Public charging’s four phases, and IONNA’s phase-four bet

    08:17 – IONNA’s origin story

    09:55 – Scale, footprint & site strategy

    11:52 – Rechargery @ vs. freestanding: the two site formats

    18:45 – Can DC fast charging make money? Unit economics

    21:29 – Demand charges & why fast charging is expensive

    23:57 – Getting power: permitting, interconnection & utilities

    29:18 – Site design, amenities & the monetization question

    34:14 – Regional site customization: the gas station turned bakery

    36:35 – The charging experience: apps & Plug&Charge

    39:03 – Reliability strategy & metrics

    42:47 – Headwinds: the EV market downturn & policy risk

    46:54 – Business model, profitability & the IONITY comparison

    50:09 – Geographic rollout: the chicken-and-egg problem

    54:07 – Competitive position vs. Tesla

    56:37 – Closing: vision, fears & timeline


    Another bipartisan housing miracle, this time in Idaho Aug 12, 2026
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    Last year I did a pod on Montana’s surprising burst of bipartisan housing legislation. Turns out Idaho was watching. This year its legislature passed six housing bills of its own (two others failed). Republican state Sen. Ben Toews and Democratic state Rep. Megan Egbert join me to walk through what passed, what didn’t, and what they gave away to get it done — plus the property tax cap that quietly works against all of it, and why duplexes turned out to be the red line.

    Chapters:

    00:00 – Introduction and the Idaho housing package

    02:43 – How each guest came to the housing issue

    06:39 – Inside the interim housing study committee

    09:05 – SB 1354, ADUs by right, and Dillon’s Rule

    12:52 – The 5,000 to 10,000 compromise, and HOAs

    15:03 – SB 1352 starter homes, manufactured homes, lot splits

    16:28 – HB 706 and single-stair buildings

    18:11 – The permitting shot clock and the 6-day rule

    19:48 – Living with the compromises, and why counties were left out

    22:54 – The two bills that died: duplexes and YIGBY

    28:41 – HB 389, the property tax cap, and the growth undertow

    34:41 – What the public understands about growth

    37:23 – Regulatory reform on supply side vs. incentives for housing

    43:59 – The February deadline and city resistance

    48:52 – Horizontal vs. vertical density

    56:03 – What comes next for the committee & Idaho housing


    Grid cybersecurity: how big is the threat & what should we do about it? Aug 07, 2026
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    Could the US grid be brought down by Chinese hackers? To find out, I talked with Patrick Miller, who helped write the cybersecurity rules for the bulk power system and became the first person with federal authority to enforce them. We get into what's actually been hacked, why those "rogue devices" in Chinese inverters are less sinister than they sound, and why squirrels still do more damage than hackers.

    Chapters:

    00:00 – Introduction

    02:47 – What state utility commissioners get wrong about cyber risk

    04:50 – Real attacks on the grid so far: Ukraine, Poland, and the US

    06:57 – IT versus OT, and why grid devices are hard to protect

    10:30 – The NERC CIP standards: scope, requirements, enforcement

    17:40 – Distributed resources outside the CIP perimeter

    20:54 – Dropping the threshold to 20 MVA, and federal jurisdiction

    29:12 – Chinese inverters and the commodity board

    36:09 – Volt Typhoon, Salt Typhoon, and China's intent

    39:26 – Data centers as a new attack surface

    43:19 – The trade-off between security and speed

    47:44 – Cyber-informed engineering and analog safeguards

    54:05 – AI on offense and defense

    1:02:21 – Squirrels, balloons, and physical threats

    1:04:24 – CISA cuts, CIRCIA, and harmonizing the rules


    What should state policymakers do about data centers? Aug 05, 2026
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    State legislatures are writing data center rules faster than they can verify the demand forecasts underneath them. Fifteen states accounted for 80 percent of data center electricity demand in 2023, a single hyperscale campus can arrive as 15 to 20 percent of a utility's demand, and the transmission to serve it takes five to 15 years to build. On this episode of Volts, David Roberts works through Climate Cabinet's Taming Data Center Turmoil series with Saleem Chapman, who leads the group's electricity affordability policy work, on why Georgia's regulated utility, PJM's capacity market, and ERCOT's competitive market each left ratepayers holding the risk, and what a state can require before it approves a project, while the facility operates, and after the deal is done.

    Chapters:

    00:00 – Introduction

    02:49 – How Climate Cabinet came to the data center fight

    03:58 – Three things that make hyperscalers unlike past industrial loads

    07:51 – Warning signals: forecast opacity, gas dependency, unconditional subsidies

    13:44 – Siting near overburdened communities and the Memphis case

    15:34 – State preemption versus local control

    18:31 – The same failure pattern in Georgia, PJM, and ERCOT

    23:52 – Why not just ban data centers outright

    28:07 – The framework, and what to require before approval

    34:54 – While operating: real cost pricing and on-call load flexibility

    37:39 – Scenario-based planning and the utility incentive problem

    39:37 – After the deal: new and matched clean energy

    43:48 – Siting standards and performance-tied incentives

    50:27 – Existing facilities and the threat to build elsewhere

    55:41 – Which states are ahead, and step one for lawmakers


    Best of July 2026 Aug 02, 2026
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    Volts published eight conversations in July on subjects with nothing obvious in common: an Arizona utility board election, Minnesota smart meters, land value taxes in Spokane, silicon battery anodes. Yet six of them arrived at the same constraint. What stops energy infrastructure from getting built in the United States is more often written into law than into physics. On this episode, David Roberts pulls one stretch from each July conversation into a single hour, with two Minnesota utility regulators, a Spokane city council member, a Hawaii state senator, a co-founder of a battery materials company, and more.

    Chapters:

    00:00 Introduction: a new format for Volts

    01:22 Arizona: winning the utility elections nobody watches

    07:04 Minnesota: the smart meter data nobody uses

    12:40 Spokane: how property taxes reward empty lots

    17:31 Hawaii: the education gap in state energy policy

    22:13 The data center backlash is a politics story

    27:41 Why America can't build transit: procurement

    32:41 Clean energy after the IRA: the glass debate

    38:26 Silicon anodes: the other half of the battery

    44:47 Closing: tell me if this worked


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    Silicon anodes for batteries unlock greater energy density and faster charging times Jul 31, 2026
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    Materials in lithium-ion battery cathodes have continuously evolved since the 1990s, but anodes have stubbornly remained graphite. Now, finally, there’s some innovation on that side: silicon anodes, which engineers have struggled to master for a decade, are finally coming into wide commercialization. They enable up to five times the energy density of graphite anodes, charge many times faster, and are poised to revolutionize the battery market. In this episode, I talk with Rick Costantino, co-founder and CTO of Group14, which is selling a silicon-carbon composite material for anodes. They’re already selling to dozens of large battery manufacturers and expect silicon anodes to completely take over the market by 2030.

    Chapters:

    00:00 – Introduction and the graphite anode problem

    01:54 – Why silicon, and why it kept failing

    06:26 – From pharma to batteries: Rick's path

    09:24 – How SCC55 works: silicon in a carbon scaffold

    14:38 – The payoff: energy density and charge speed

    18:59 – A drop-in material, and scaling in South Korea

    21:11 – Where the batteries go: phones, EVs, drones

    24:29 – Cost versus graphite

    26:20 – Cycle life, calendar life, and safety

    31:26 – Supply chain and the silane bottleneck

    36:26 – Pairing with LFP, DOE support, and phones

    40:30 – Bringing the cost down, and competitors

    43:27 – The five-year outlook


    Should we feel good about the trajectory of clean energy post-Trump? Jul 29, 2026
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    The Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) established substantial tax credits for wind and solar power. Trump’s One Big Beautiful Bill Act (OBBBA) eliminated those tax credits. How much damage did that do to the overall trajectory of clean energy in the post-Trump world? A new research commentary argues that the damage was less than many had feared and that the road forward for clean energy is less about restoring those credits than about easing the permitting and interconnection constraints inhibiting renewable energy. Today I talk with author Lily Bermel about the modeling her commentary is based on and the somewhat controversial conclusions she draws from it.

    Chapters:

    00:00 The IRA, the OBBBA, and the case for optimism

    03:25 OBBBA - Why Bermel ran the analysis

    05:50 The headline numbers: 74, 71, 67

    08:07 Decomposing clean: solar and batteries hold, wind takes the hit

    12:14 The lag analysis, and the 'glass half full' perspective

    15:27 2.8 gigatons, and losses you can't get back

    18:01 The third scenario, and Trump I versus Trump II

    21:49 What the model leaves out: manufacturing, LPO, loans

    23:07 Interior's permitting campaign against wind and solar

    27:22 The demand surge and behind-the-meter gas

    32:15 Nuclear restarts, geothermal, and clean firm

    35:31 Booms, busts, and the electrification wave

    42:22Transmission, interconnection, and the ceiling

    46:41 Tax credits versus permitting reform

    51:46 Durability, polarization, and preemptive surrender

    60:01 Can enough storage make renewables firm?

    66:48 Grid utilization versus building new grid

    70:52 Final reflections: 2021, and what Bermel would do with a trifecta


    The US is terrible at building public transit. Here's how to get better. Jul 22, 2026
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    America once led the world in building transit and now leads the world in what transit costs, roughly three times the international average per mile, measured not against authoritarian megaprojects but against Italy, Spain, and Japan. On this episode of Volts, David Roberts talks with Will Poff-Webster of the Institute for Progress, who put together the new Transit Abundance Playbook, and Stephanie Pollack, former head of the Massachusetts Department of Transportation and former acting administrator of the Federal Highway Administration. Their argument is that the costs are a policy choice: federal funding rules teach transit agencies to plan on a napkin and do the real work years later, to hire the lowest bidder over the one they know will deliver, and to defer to anyone holding a veto, while highways operate under looser versions of the same rules. As Pollack puts it, "if you hate transit, you should spend less on it." A surface transportation reauthorization bill is coming, and two of the playbook's proposals have already reached the House version.

    Chapters:

    00:00 Introduction: why cars work against cities

    03:25 Agency culture or federal law: where does the fix come from

    11:31 Planning: how federal funding enforces bad habits

    20:10 Overdesign: the Green Line stations and the frequency-first test

    23:40 Buses: why every agency orders a custom fleet

    26:53 Procurement: lowest bid versus best value

    32:56 Veto points and Italy’s conference of services

    39:56 Permitting: environmental review as a NIMBY tool

    45:28 State capacity: why consultant brain took over

    51:46 Labor costs, automation, and Section 13(c)

    56:19 Is any of this politically achievable?

    1:03:28 Final question: one reform each


    Making sense of the data center backlash Jul 20, 2026
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    Data center opposition has gone from nonexistent to organized in about two years, roughly 120 moratoriums across 38 states, and it does not track proximity: Gallup finds 70% of Americans oppose a data center near them, while only 8% of opponents live near one. On this episode of Volts, David Roberts joins Energy Empire hosts Jigar Shah and Jamie Nolan, along with Arnab Pal of Deploy Action, for a crossover conversation, and his argument is that everyone is solving the wrong problem. The hyperscalers could buy their way to consent for a rounding error, batteries in basements, solar on roofs, funded schools, lower bills, and they refuse, which David reads as a symptom of low social trust that no amount of better modeling touches. “This is not a technocratic problem that you can just solve with a few switches,” he says. Thirty-six governors go to the ballot this fall having to answer for it.

    Chapters:

    00:00 Intro: a Volts and Energy Empire crossover

    01:25 Has the AI case been made? Energy vs. AI as the real revolution

    04:23 The backlash by the numbers, and hyperscalers' botched PR

    08:20 Animal spirits, low social trust, and the information environment

    12:46 Enshittification, lost jobs, and why governors still want data centers

    15:50 The local playbook: schools, bioswales, batteries in basements

    17:18 Bespoke industrial rates without setting a bad precedent

    22:33 How utilities earn: spend-to-earn, the distribution black box, efficiency

    30:11 Gendering the grid: gas as firm, renewables as soft

    37:57 NERC's level-three alert and the case for more batteries

    39:29 Both/and: distributed capacity as serious supply

    45:33 Abundance's missing half: state capacity, staffing, NEPA

    48:55 The midterms: 36 governors and the politics of affordability

    53:33 Hope vs. fear: the Mamdani lesson and the information environment


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