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    Verse Talks

    In this episode of Verse Talks, Leyla and Jamie speak with digital art historian and researcher Noah Bolanowski about the overlooked history of digital art. From street art and the early days of Nifty Gateway to the NFT boom, blockchain, and the pioneers of computer art, Noah takes us through his journey into uncovering the people, works and stories that helped shape the medium.

    00:00 — Introduction: Noah Bolanowski
    01:43 — Becoming a digital art historian
    03:16 — Street art, collecting & the origins of Nifty Gateway
    07:22 — Keith Haring, Timothy Leary & early digital art
    11:59 — Becoming a “digital Indiana Jones”
    15:15 — Discovering NFTs & collecting on Nifty Gateway
    18:37 — The NFT boom and sudden six-figure valuations
    23:27 — Speculation, collectors & the pandemic NFT market
    30:48 — The 14-year-old CryptoPunks millionaire
    33:03 — What happened to the NFT market?
    36:48 — What can blockchain actually do for art?
    38:19 — Museums, smart contracts & exhibiting NFTs
    43:49 — Rethinking how digital art is displayed
    45:15 — Museums and the 70-year history of digital art
    48:19 — Why blockchain changed access to digital art
    50:21 — 1OF1 and the institutionalisation of digital art
    51:47 — Bill Gates’ early digital art displays
    55:32 — Do we actually want screens in our homes?
    58:49 — Why Noah turned towards digital art history
    1:02:48 — Who gets canonised in digital art history?
    1:04:05 — Questioning established narratives & the importance of provenance
    1:09:13 — The forgotten pioneers of computer art
    1:10:43 — Charles Csuri and the unlikely computer art pioneer
    1:13:40 — Making computer art in the 1960s
    1:16:49 — Why digital art history still needs to be written
    1:18:58 — Collecting historic computer art
    1:21:15 — How early digital artworks survive and are preserved
    1:23:28 — Charles Csuri, treasure hunting & Part Two
    1:25:17 — Investigating the past and rediscovering lost histories
    1:28:03 — Closing & Part Two

    You can find Noah on X @Noahbolanowski

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    Harm van den Dorpel: Quantizer, algorithmic archeology, and digital preservation Aug 20, 2025
    Show notes

    00:40 - Welcome Harm van den Dorpel

    01:35 - Working with plotters

    05:06 - Creative beginnings

    08:45 - A grounding in early AI

    11:20 - From tech to art school

    13:50 - The shifting context around digital presentation

    16:10 - The development of post-internet art

    18:00 - Separating sales and practice

    22:40 - Markov's Window

    25:00 - Establishing Left gallery and discovering blockchain

    30:33 - The stress of managing a gallery

    32:01 - The importance of true digital ownership

    35:29 - Mutant Garden Seeder

    38:15 - Exploring Quantizer

    40:40 - Algorithmic archeology

    42:45 - Dithering and Quantizer's traits

    46:42 - Two seeds and a double system

    50:20 - The reason for artist curation

    52:02 - Mandalas, Buddhism and the influence on Quantizer

    56:00 - Transience and permanence

    58:20 - Surprise born from a system

    01:04:10 - Meditation machines

    01:08:12 - The relationship between an artists practice and the market

    01:09:55 - Defining the digital and physical worlds

    01:12:40 - Preserving a digital work

    01:15:43 - The thinking behind the series size

    01:19:45 - What's next?

    Harm van den Dorpel: https://x.com/harmvddorpel

    Quantizer: https://verse.works/series/quantizer-by-harm-van-den-dorpel?itemId=2f5761c0-0e42-4457-a844-6bd9f854adf5


    Harm van den Dorpel and Regina Harsanyi (Twitter Spaces): the early days of Club Internet, the ephemerality of time based media and the birth of Quantizer Aug 18, 2025
    Show notes

    00:44 - Welcome Harm van den Dorpel and Regina Harsanyi

    03:05 - Nasty Nets, Club Internet and the early surf clubs

    09:05 - Creating context and community through curation

    12:40 - Ongoing scepticism around blockchain and NFTs

    18:00 - Left Gallery, early blockchain based ownership and speculation

    20:10 - The speed of secondary in the digital world

    22:00 - On creating Quantizer

    27:10 - A true reflection of the blockchain and networked broadcast

    33:40 - The ideal way to display and experience the work

    41:30 - The expressive power of the blockchain

    Harm van den Dorpel: https://x.com/harmvddorpel

    Regina Harsanyi: https://x.com/reginaharsanyi



    Steve McKeon, investing in art, the birth of Glitch and the future of digital culture Aug 15, 2025
    Show notes

    00:35 - Welcome Steve McKeon

    02:25 - Navigating the dot-com boom and bust

    08:19 - A winding path to tenure

    13:20 - Discovering crypto

    15:50 - Writing Traditional Asset Tokenisation

    19:30 - The birth of Collab+Currency

    24:50 - A shift to consumer focus and NFTs

    28:30 - Equity vs tokens

    33:45 - The Art Blocks [500]

    36:15 - Collectibility and end caps

    38:05 - Traditional art, sculpture and Jim Dine

    45:20 - Donald Judd and Marfa

    49:30 - The birth of Glitch

    53:45 - An investment thesis based on passion

    55:33 - Collecting personally vs fund investment

    01:01:20 - The future of the space and growth of digital culture

    01:06:21 - Infrastructure companies, user lock-in and network effects

    01:11:11 - Verse round table

    01:12:25 - SOLOS points

    01:27:39 - Terence Broad and (un)stable equilibrium

    01:33:13 - Curatorial practice and thoughts on artist guidance

    01:42:44 - What is an NFT artist

    01:45:25 - Reclaiming the term NFT

    01:47:00 - Artist highlights pt 1

    01:48:44 - Catching up on fxhash

    01:54:00 - Artist highlights pt 2

    01:55:35 - Verse rundown

    Steve McKeon: https://x.com/sbmckeon

    AL: https://x.com/alekustn

    Mark Horowitz: https://www.instagram.com/marchorowitz

    Terence Broad: https://x.com/terrybroad

    Harm van den Dorpel: https://x.com/harmvddorpel

    Jonathan Chomko: https://x.com/jtchomko

    benedict: https://x.com/ibenedictfuc12

    canek zapata: https://x.com/canekzapata

    Rocio Mio: https://x.com/rociomiobosque


    Terence Broad and Luba Elliott: unpacking (un)stable equilibrium Aug 10, 2025
    Show notes

    03:00 - Luba Elliott on Terence Broad

    04:15 - Autoencoding Blade Runner

    09:25 - Machine learning in 2016

    12:31 - Arriving at the crossroads of technology and art

    15:35 - Why Blade Runner?

    19:05 - Luba and Terrence's collaboration through Feral File

    22:06 - (un)stable equilibrium

    25:00 - The conceptual journey behind the work

    29:50 - Imperfect copies and more constraints

    31:35 - The construction of the final video pieces

    34:55 - A renewed mainstream interest in the work

    40:01 - Looping in latent space

    41:49 - Future explorations around (un)stable equilibrium

    44:53 - The possibilities NFTs open up for a digital practice

    https://x.com/terrybroad

    https://x.com/elluba

    https://verse.works/series/un-stable-equilibrium-by-terence-broad?itemId=07c502f4-8cec-47bf-9eac-8a9c0d2a0bc0




    Roger Dickerman: the origin of 24 Hours of Art, finding a deliberate imbalance and the objectivity of price action Aug 09, 2025
    Show notes

    00:50 - Welcome Roger Dickerman

    02:48 - The importance of a physical space

    06:02 - Roger's journey into digital art

    07:45 - A deliberate imbalance

    11:02 - Controlling the bookends

    14:15 - The birth of Artifex and 24 Hours of Art

    20:25 - Sustainability and longevity

    22:35 - Putting the work in and riding out the bear

    24:45 - A process of iteration and evolution

    28:35 - "One foot in the market, one foot firmly in the love of the art"

    30:05 - The objectivity of price action

    35:31 - How to define excellence and quality in art

    39:25 - The impact of exposure to work

    42:00 - Feeling vs technical precision

    46:07 - A new energy in the space

    48:30 - Testing convictions and responding to crisis

    52:18 - Community, Sam Spratt and the power of participation

    58:58 - Acting with focus and intention

    01:01:45 - Ingredients for success

    01:05:30 - Assessing the market and thinking about trajectory

    01:10:30 - Verse roundtable

    01:11:05 - The Art Blocks 500

    01:16:15 - Eternalising a time period and creating canon

    01:23:10 - Institutional interest and supporting collectors

    01:24:45 - Takashi Murakami's 108 Flowers Revised

    01:37:28 - Traditional artists' impact on the perception of space

    01:43:02 - Speculation and gambling

    01:47:15 - Taking personal responsibility for purchases and decisions

    01:51:07 - Murakami's tweet and lack of awareness

    01:52:50 - The complexity of collecting work on the blockchain

    01:57:45 - Collecting to be part of a community vs collecting with an awareness of price potential

    02:03:49 - Dalos Dov's Do Machines Dream of Human Bodies

    02:06:30 - Valent's Athanasia

    02:11:30 - The importance of authentic community engagement

    02:21:46 - Verse rundown

    Roger Dickerman: https://x.com/rogerdickerman

    24 Hours of Art: https://x.com/24_hours_art

    Paul Pfeiffer: https://www.instagram.com/pmp2021

    itsgalo: https://x.com/galoandstuff

    brawlers world: https://x.com/brawlersworld

    Valent: https://x.com/0xvalent

    Dalos Dov: https://x.com/dalos



    Eli Scheinman: building context, courting the traditional collector and working with Art Basel Jul 25, 2025
    Show notes

    This week we sat down with seasoned advisor Eli Scheinman to discuss his new role at Art Basel, what’s driving the market’s fresh momentum, how today’s collectors are maturing and how to frame emerging work for a more traditional crowd.

    00:50 - Welcome Eli Scheinman

    02:39 - Why the market's moving

    04:30 - The trickle-down effect of big sales

    07:07 - New entrants into the space

    09:48 - The flow from collectibles and PFPs into art

    14:37 - Eli's role with Art Basel

    21:30 - Evolving in the face of a challenging market

    23:00 - How to create excitement and understanding among new audiences

    24:30 - Context is key

    28:49 - World-building, narrative and sponsorship

    33:04 - Collections as an identity layer and a discovery tool

    34:50 - Friction points when onboarding from the traditional space

    40:20 - How things have changed across cycles

    46:00 - Lower barriers to participation in the digital space and their effects

    49:00 - The maturation of the core collector base

    51:10 - Kim Asendorf's PXL DEX, private sales and new points of discovery

    56:45 - Artist highlights

    01:02:40 - Social media's impact on an artists career

    Eli Scheinman: https://x.com/eli_schein

    Karyn Nakamura: https://www.instagram.com/frog_spit_simulation

    Canek Zapata: https://x.com/canekzapata

    Agoston Nagy: https://x.com/_stc

    Li Yi-Fan: https://www.instagram.com/liyifanyifanli






    Nikita Diakur: The strangely beautiful world of Ugly, balancing parallel creative paths and his upcoming SOLOS exhibition Jul 14, 2025
    Show notes

    This week Leyla sits down with artist and filmmaker Nikita Diakur to explore his journey in the art and film worlds, spotlighting his acclaimed short film 'Ugly'. They dive into the film's themes and the creative process behind it, as well as his artistic identity, experiences with NFTs, and his upcoming exhibition on Verse with SOLOS.

    00:40 - Welcome Nikita Diakur

    02:20 - Identity and a multi faceted creative path

    03:15 - Finding inspiration

    06:04 - Exploring the themes in Ugly

    10:40 - Unpacking the creative process and the role of simulation

    17:08 - The expansion of the Ugly world

    18:40 - Opening the treasure box, unfinished works and future exhibitions

    21:05 - The role of lived experience in Nikita's work

    23:50 - Art, politics and the message behind Ugly

    26:02 - Finding NFTs and the web3 space

    29:49 - Working with Colección Solo

    32:28 - A glimpse into Nikita's upcoming SOLOS show on Verse

    38:02 - Balancing parallel creative practices








    Natalie Stone and Shane Lavalette: The next chapter of CryptoPunks, collecting against the trend and curation as the new PFP Jun 27, 2025
    Show notes

    This week we sat down with former General Manager of CryptoPunks and founder of StoneWork Natalie Stone, and artist, gallerist and broker Shane Lavalette. We unpack Stone's journey into NFTs, Node’s Punks acquisition, and the enduring passion of the community as well as the evolution of curation and collector identity, Shane's thought process when looking at an artist's body of work and the value of transparency and provenance.


    00:30 - Welcoming Natalie Stone and Shane Lavalette

    02:44 - Stone's path into NFTs and her work with CryptoPunks

    06:40 - The significance of Node's Punks acquisition

    09:50 - The future of CryptoPunks under Node

    12:40 - The resilience and passion of the Punks community

    16:30 - Will there be another project as significant for the space

    18:13 - First order of business for Node

    20:05 - How time has shaped community dynamics

    21:38 - The maturation of the space and collector curation

    24:00 - Curating as an expression of identity

    29:00 - Developing taste, the role of education and exposure

    32:40 - Notable collections and collectors

    34:55 - Shane's background in the arts and introduction to NFTs

    37:32 - The importance of brokering and advisory services

    43:24 - Creating space for emerging voices

    44:44 - Diving deep and collecting against the trend

    51:10 - Dream collecting, "if money were no object"

    52:28 - Shane's list in GrailersDAO

    55:05 - Balancing transparency with a simplified marketplace experience

    59:28 - The importance of provenance

    01:01:48 - Artist highlights

    01:07:37 - Verse Rundown

    Shane Lavalette: https://x.com/shanelavalette

    Stone: https://x.com/naughtaliestone

    bhare: https://x.com/bhareboy

    0009: https://x.com/0009ine

    Klea McKenna: https://x.com/klea_mckenna

    Noah Kalina: https://noahkalina.com/chickencamera

    Molly Soda: https://mollysoda.exposed

    Ralph Lemon: https://www.momaps1.org/en/programs/377-ceremonies-out-of-the-air-ralph-lemon









    Tyler Hobbs: navigating the traditional and digital worlds, prioritising the art, and dealing with the effect of a legacy Jun 20, 2025
    Show notes

    We sat down this week with long-form generative pioneer Tyler Hobbs to explore Day Gardens, his new body of work released with La Collection at Art Basel this week. They dive into the balance between personal life and artistic career, and the future of generative art in a rapidly changing landscape, as well as the effect of audience expectations and market dynamics on a creative practice.


    00:50 - Welcome Tyler Hobbs

    04:50 - The evolution of Tyler's artistic journey

    10:20 - Consistency and integrity and putting the work first

    13:22 - Art Blocks and the shift to digitally focused distribution

    15:50 - Navigating between the digital and physical artworlds

    21:20 - The importance of saying no, learning when to say yes

    25:49 - Thinking about release cadence and managing time

    27:30 - Exploring Day Gardens

    33:20 - Dealing with the noise and finding balance

    39:25 - The increasing speed of culture

    41:45 - Thinking about audience expectations and the effect of a legacy

    47:00 - QQL and exploring new formats

    50:15 - Cultivating community and stepping back

    56:00 - What made Fidenza resonate

    56:27 - The evolution of generative art and future directions

    59:10 - Different ways of creating and engaging with the space

    01:01:20 - Diewiththemostlikes and a new wave of superstar artists

    01:02:50 - Prioritising fun over a traditional approach

    01:06:50 - Social commentary and online performance

    01:08:30 - Changing perspectives and open mindedness

    01:11:55 - Artist highlights

    01:61:21 - Verse Rundown

    Tyler Hobbs - https://x.com/tylerxhobbs

    Jack Butcher - https://x.com/jackbutcher

    Shl0ms - https://x.com/shl0ms

    diewiththemostlikes - https://x.com/toadswiback

    Sarah Zucker - https://x.com/thesarahshow










    Erik Swahn: inside Soma Jun 18, 2025
    Show notes

    Jamie and Leyla sit down with artist Erik Swahn in advance of his upcoming series Soma. They discuss his artistic evolution, the impact of attention on creativity, and the relationship between colour and music. The conversation delves into the title and concept of Soma, as well as Erik's thoughts on the future of his artistic practice.

    01:10 - Welcome Erik Swahn

    02:40 - The effect of attention on the creative process

    04:30 - From architecture to art

    06:39 - Discovering NFTs

    08:31 - The impact of fxhash and community

    10:30 - Exploring the success of Farbteiler

    12:00 - The relationship between colour and music

    14:19 - Fields, abstraction and the sublime

    16:50 - An evolving practice and the influence of the Baroque

    18:43 - How time frames work differently

    23:40 - The weight of expectation

    25:50 - A flattening of art history

    27:25 - The emergence of Soma

    29:38 - An ongoing preoccupation with colour

    31:25 - The significance of a smaller series and a finite frame

    35:30 - A brave new world and finding inspiration in the abstract

    39:41 - Shared attention and the power of art

    Erik Swahn: https://x.com/erikswahn




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