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The Light We Cannot See - with Ilana Dayan Dec 08, 2023

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Two months on from the 7 October massacre, Yonit and Jonathan assess the state of the nation with one of Israel’s sagest voices: the longtime investigative TV journalist Ilana Dayan. Also: the politics that never stop and the three Ivy League college heads who flunked their big test.

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Israel At War Week VIII: Speak of the Devil - with Michael Milshtein Dec 01, 2023

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After a week of intense emotion - a rollercoaster road combining relief, joy, anxiety, and dread for the families of Israelis held hostage by Hamas - Yonit and Jonathan discuss where this leaves a war that threatens to restart at any moment.

Plus a conversation with Michael Milshtein, Israel’s foremost expert on Hamas - with a series of shocking insights into Yahya Sinwar, mastermind of the 7 October massacre and the man they call “the Butcher”.

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Israel At War Week VII: Held Hostage Nov 24, 2023

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As the clock ticked down to an expected release of Israeli hostages held by Hamas in Gaza, Yonit and Jonathan sat down face to face in Tel Aviv, to discuss the background to the move - and what the consequences might be. Plus, Jonathan describes his week traveling around Israel, from the stricken kibbutzim in the south to the new, temporary homes for displaced residents by the Dead Sea, finding a country where the trauma of 7 October is ongoing.

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Israel At War: Week VI - with Amos Harel & Dan Senor Nov 17, 2023

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An update on the war from the doyen of Israel’s military correspondents, Amos Harel – and, in the week of perhaps the largest pro-Israel demonstration in US history, Yonit and Jonathan talk to Dan Senor, the former Pentagon official who was the first to describe Israel as the “start-up nation” and whose new book, The Genius of Israel, argues that the country is almost uniquely resilient.

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TikTok War - with Kara Swisher Nov 10, 2023

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As the conflict between Israel and Hamas enters its fifth week, there’s an increasing focus on a radically new front: the information war fought out on social media. Yonit and Jonathan talk to Kara Swisher, widely regarded as the most influential tech journalist in the world. What role is TikTok playing – and is it the algorithm or the likes of Tehran, Moscow and Beijing that is shaping what hundreds of millions see? Plus: does international pressure mean the clock is ticking on Israel’s military operation to eradicate Hamas as a fighting force?

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War Therapy Nov 07, 2023

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The war has been a period of grief and anxiety, but also of strain and stress felt around every Jewish table, inside Israel and out. For this special episode, exactly one month after the 7 October attacks, Yonit and Jonathan decided they should talk through some of the tensions that have surfaced in their own conversations, teasing out some of the differences between them and bringing those differences into the open. The aim was a conversation between two people - one in Israel, one in the Jewish diaspora - that would be raw and candid, true and heartfelt... but also, perhaps, a little cathartic.

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Israel At War: Week IV - with Muli Segev & Simon Sebag Montefiore Nov 03, 2023

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The war intensifies with Israel’s ground incursion into Gaza, a Palestinian death toll now estimated to be above 8,000 and still no word on the 240 Israeli hostages held by Hamas. Yonit and Jonathan discuss Benjamin Netanyahu’s tweeted – and then deleted - attempt to divert the blame for Israel’s vulnerability on 7 October to others, the increasing US pressure on Israel over its conduct of the war and the phenomenal volunteer movement that has reshaped Israeli civil society in a matter of weeks. Plus: they talk to Muli Segev, the man behind Eretz Nehederet, the acclaimed TV satire show which has become essential viewing for Israelis, even at a time of war – and to award-winning historian Simon Sebag Montefiore, on why “decolonisation” theory gets the Israel-Palestine conflict so badly wrong.

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Israel At War: Week III - with Shimrit Meir Oct 27, 2023

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Three weeks into Israel's war against Hamas, Yonit and Jonathan talk to Shimrit Meir, a former adviser to Naftali Bennett, about the next steps in the conflict - and the international players making crucial moves behind the scenes, starting with Hamas's patron, Qatar. They ask her how Benjamin Netanyahu will respond to mounting global pressure to alleviate the humanitarian crisis in Gaza - and rising domestic pressure to free the hostages held by Hamas. Plus: with antisemitism surging across the world, is anywhere truly safe for Jewish life?

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Israel at War Week II: Listeners’ Questions Oct 20, 2023

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Joe Biden becomes the first US president to visit Israel at a time of war, the world’s media blame Israel for a deadly Gaza hospital blast that, most experts now agree, was most likely caused by a Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket - and Yonit and Jonathan hear the moving, probing comments and questions sent in by you, Unholy’s listeners.

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Israel at War: Week I Oct 13, 2023

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After perhaps the hardest week in Israel’s history, Yonit and Jonathan discuss the mood inside the country, in the wider Jewish world and beyond. They talk through the implications of the new unity government and its planned response to last weekend’s Hamas massacres of 1200 Israeli civilians; the shoulder-to-shoulder solidarity of US President Joe Biden; and the first arguments about who is to blame for what was a catastrophic failure by Israel’s intelligence and political leadership.

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