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Undisclosed Agents Firefighter Podcast

Welcome to the Undisclosed Agents Podcast where we talk to industry professionals, and tell the truth (sometimes the unpopular truth) about the greatest job in the world.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #53 Paul Shoemaker - Next Level Jul 27, 2026

Today we’re joined by Paul Shoemaker.

Paul brings nearly two decades of fire service experience and an incredible depth of operational and instructional knowledge. He currently serves as a Lieutenant in Colorado and has spent more than 13 years specializing in truck company operations.

While the truck is his passion, Paul’s instructional background extends well beyond that. He teaches advanced hose deployment, fireground tactics, forcible entry, search, ventilation, and modern vehicle extrication. He’s also become a nationally recognized voice on electric vehicle emergencies and lithium-ion battery incidents.

Beyond the fireground, Paul has collaborated with organizations including UL FSRI, the NFPA, and SAE International to advance firefighter safety and improve emergency response practices surrounding modern vehicles and battery technology.

Paul is also the founder of the Next Level Training Network, where he’s helping prepare firefighters for the rapidly evolving challenges facing today’s fire service.

This was an outstanding conversation with a firefighter who is constantly learning, constantly teaching, and relentlessly pushing himself, and the fire service to the next level. We know you’re going to enjoy this one.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #52 Stephen Tyler - Refined by Fire Jul 03, 2026

Stephen Tyler is an engine captain with Eagle Fire in Idaho, where he has served since 2007, beginning as a volunteer firefighter before transitioning to career service in 2013. Over the years, he has worked every seat on the rig including backseat firefighter, driver engineer, training captain, and now company officer on Engine 44 B.

Stephen is passionate about engine company operations and still loves pulling lines, pulling locks, and pulling barbells. A respected instructor across the country, he has taught HOT classes at FDIC International as well as numerous local and regional conferences with Brothers in Battle and VES cadres.

Outside the station, he’s an avid reader, lifelong student of the craft, and a strong advocate for firefighters staying engaged, educated, and physically capable throughout their careers.

I have attached a link to his firefighter nation article titled Read Fiction, which is an excellent read and one of the topics we cover in this episode. This is a great conversation with another engaged firefighter.

https://www.firefighternation.com/fire-leadership/career-development/read-fiction/

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #51 Bob Ryser - Leading by Example Apr 20, 2026

Bob Ryser began his fire service career in 2002 and has served full time with two combination departments. He is currently the Fire Chief of the Storey County Fire Department in Nevada, where he leads from the front and sets the standard by doing the work alongside his people.

Chief Ryser is a leader who still puts his turnouts on, still trains, and still participates in the same evolutions he expects of his firefighters, allowing him to hold high standards with real credibility. He previously served as a Shift Battalion Chief responsible for training and has been an instructor with the Nevada State Fire Marshal’s Office for more than 15 years, with a strong focus on leadership development.

A graduate of the Truckee Meadows Community College Fire Academy, Reiser spent over 12 years with the program, including his final three years as Program Commander. He holds an Associate’s Degree in Fire Science from TMCC, a Bachelor’s Degree in English from the University of Nevada, Reno, and completed the National Fire Academy’s Executive Fire Officer Programin 2019.

Chief Ryser is a mentor, a friend and a leader who never looses sight of the mission.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #50 Noah Katz - No Good Dudes Feb 02, 2026

Noah Katz Captain on Engine 15 in the City of Phoenix where he began his career in 2013. Noah is also the founder and owner of Priority Fire Training LLC.

Noah is extremely passionate about training and the fire service. And because of that passion he has traveled the country learning and educating himself.

In 2011 Noah graduated the Georgia Smoke Diver Program, class 59 as Smoke Diver 1100 and Arizona Smoke Diver number 1.

In addition to teaching classes with Priority Fire Training, Noah is the lead instructor for the Dagum Promise Search class and has been an instructor at both National and International at conferences teaching and spreading No Good Dude culture.

Before becoming a firefighter Noah spent 5 years playing ice hockey professionally across the United States and in Germany.

This was another excellent conversation with a passionate dialed in firefighter.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #49 Steve Robertson - Engine Boss Jan 09, 2026

Steve is a veteran of the fire service recently retiring after 35 1/2 years.

Steve retired as the LT of engine 18 of the Columbus Ohio Division of Fire.

Steve has been a classroom instructor at FDIC for the past several years teaching engine company operations. Additionally, Steve is the lead instructor of the FDIC HOT program Stretching For Success.

Steve is also an instructor for County Fire Tactics and has taught engine company tactics nationally including the High Rise Operations Conference, Command Officers Bootcamp, and Water on the Fire conference all in Pensacola Beach, Florida.

Steve is a no nonsense engine boss. His unapologetic, experienced and insightful views on engine work will defenetly help you solidify your processes and stimulate your mind when talking about water delivery.

In this episode we discussed

Steve’s 5 keys to a winning engine
Mid-rise operations and his new program Mid-rise Mayhem
Water application with a rescue mindset
And several other though provoking topics centered around engine work

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #48 Anthony Rowett - Hold the Standard Oct 17, 2025

The Undisclosed Agents Firefighter Podcast is proud to feature Captain Anthony Rowett of the Mobile (AL) Fire Rescue Department in its latest episode. Captain Rowett brings two decades of fire service experience, leadership insight, and instructional expertise to the discussion.

Anthony has served with the Mobile Fire Rescue Department for the past 17 years and began his career with the Ogdensburg (NJ) Volunteer Fire Department. Over his 20 years in the fire service, he has earned multiple degrees in Fire Science and Emergency Services Management and is a graduate of the prestigious Alabama Smoke Diver course.

Beyond his operational role, Anthony is the owner of Port City Fire Training and the President of the National Firefighters Training Foundation, organizations dedicated to advancing firefighter education and operational excellence nationwide. He is also a contributing author for several leading fire service publications, including Fire Engineering, Firehouse, Fire Rescue, Fire Department Training Network, and Firemanship Journal.

In addition to his extensive teaching at fire service conferences and departments across the country, Anthony also co-hosts the Generation Engine Podcast on Fire Engineering Blog Talk Radio, where he shares his passion for engine company operations and professional development.

Tune in to hear Captain Rowett discuss leadership, training culture, and the continued evolution of the American fire service

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #47 Clark Lamping - Big Box, Big Problem Sep 18, 2025

On this episode we’re joined by Captain Clark Lamping.

Clark is a 27-year veteran of the Clark County fire department in Las Vegas Nevada.

Clark has spent the last 16 years serving as a captain and is currently assigned to Firehouse 38 on B-shift.

Clark holds a master’s degree in Crisis and Emergency Management from UNLV.

Beyond the firehouse, Clark is a well-respected instructor who has taught both classroom and hands-on training throughout the U.S., Canada, and Europe.

He’s known for blending his real-world fireground experience with modern best practices.

On the podcast today, we do deep into the mindset and tactical considerations needed for big box store and commercial fires.

This was a great conversation with a hard charger. We hope you enjoy the conversation as much as we did.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #46 Jeff Bryant - Training Without Borders Aug 11, 2025

On this episode we sit down with Jeff Bryant — third-generation firefighter, Aurora (IL) Fire Department member, and one of the most connected fire service trainers in the country.

From founding the Midwest Area Fire Academy & Illinois FireNuggets to leading FireNuggets, Inc. and serving with Brothers in Battle, Jeff’s passion is building the next generation of firefighters. He’s organized major training events nationwide, helped launch multiple state FireNuggets chapters, and continues to push firefighter education through classes, seminars, and the FireNuggets Podcast.

Join us as we talk training, mentorship, and the drive to make the fire service better.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #45 Micah Rains - Protect the Protecters Jul 21, 2025

Micah Rains has been in the fire service for 18 years and is the Captain of West End Firehouse at Greenville City Fire Department in South Carolina.

Micah is a member of the South Carolina Carolina Task Force 1 USAR team and has a masters degree in Organizational Leadership.

Micah has taught at many conferences including the NFPA Fire Conference, Florida Fire Conference, Metro Atlanta Fire Conference, South Carolina Fire Rescue Conference,internationally in Ecuador, and many other conferences and departments.

Along with this experience, Rains has been published by Fire Engineering Magazine and operates Palmetto Fire Tactics LLC.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #44 Marc Aloan - Operations is why we exist Jun 30, 2025

Hey everybody, thanks for joining us as we crack open another episode of the Undisclosed Agents podcast.

Today, we had the chance to sit down with Marc Aloan a Battalion Chief with the West Columbia Fire Department in South Carolina.

Marc is the creator of The Fire Inside blog and a member of the Rust Belt Jakes cadre.

He’s an active speaker, author, and instructor with 20 years of combined volunteer and career service. He also holds a bachelor’s degree in Fire Protection Administration and a master’s in Organizational Leadership.

This was a thought-provoking conversation with a leader who’s not afraid to speak his mind, someone deeply passionate about the job, especially the operational side of it.

We hope you enjoy this conversation as much as we did.

Now let’s get after it.

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BEST OF THE BEST COMING OUT WEST! Jun 27, 2025

In this episode, we talk about FireShowsWest, what it is, why it matters, and how H&H is involved this year.

From hands-on training to top-tier instructors, FireShowsWest continues to provide high-quality education and networking opportunities for firefighters across the West.

We break down what makes FireShowsWest a must-attend event, highlight this year’s impressive lineup, and share how H&H is taking part.

Spots are filling up fast, so check out the lineup and get signed up as soon as possible!

Fireshowswest.com

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #43 Danny Dwyer - The Patron Saint May 27, 2025

Danny has been in the fire service for 26 years. He started in a small suburban department north of Atlanta in 1999. After a few years, he knew he wanted to be a City Fireman and began applying in Atlanta. Danny got picked up by Atlanta in February 2005, and that began an amazing experience.

He was blessed to serve in several busy companies, including Special Operations. During his time with Atlanta, Danny was promoted through the ranks: making Driver in 2009, Lieutenant in 2014, and Captain in 2019. Then retiring from Atlanta in 2020 after the fallout from a fireground incident that took place June 27th 2019.

After all that dust settled Danny is back in the saddle and currently serves the men and women of the Roswell Fire Department as a Battalion Chief in Field Operations.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #42 Jonathan Brumley - Making a Push Apr 07, 2025

Jonathan is a Lieutenant with the Denver Fire Department. He began his fire service career in 2009 and has served as both a career and volunteer firefighter. Jonathan has instructed in both lecture and hands-on formats at fire conferences nationally and has published works in several trade magazines. He has been married for 16 years to his beautiful wife, Molly, has three awesome daughters, and has one, handful of a German shorthaired pointer named Tucker. Jonathan is a well-known and respected instructor for engine work throughout the fire service. We were stoked to have this conversation with such a hard charger and we hope you enjoy it as much as we did.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #41 Jay Bonnifield - Pipeman Mindset Mar 17, 2025

Hey everybody, thanks for joining us as we crack up another episode of the undisclosed agents podcast. Today on the podcast, we got a chance to sit down with Jay Bonnifield. Jay is a Captain with the Everett Fire Department in the state of Washington, he is a proud member of station 6, assigned to E6. Jay has been blessed with the opportunity to teach engine operations and live fire training in many venues and conferences across the country. His written work has been published in multiple fire service magazines and has been featured on multiple fire service podcasts. Jay is constantly seeking to learn and share helpful information while pursuing excellence as an engine company officer. Jay is a husband first. He and his wife have 4 amazing children who never stop moving, but wouldn’t have it any other way. This was an excellent conversation with an engine work aficionado, we hope you enjoy the conversation as much as we did.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #40 Jesse Fournier, Dave Stepp and Mike Smith - Grit First Feb 17, 2025

Grit First Fire Training is a training company based out of San Diego California. The trio that makes up Grit First are some of the most solid gentlemen we’ve had the pleasure to work with. Grit First offers classes both hands on and lecture on search, tactical TIC use and fire dynamics to name a few. Keep your eye out for these guys, they’ll be offering classes at a conference near you.

Dave Stepp Grit First instructor with a passion for teaching search, hose management, thermal imaging, firefighter survival, RIC and ventilation. Has had the opportunity to split time riding both engines and trucks throughout the city. Currently serves as a Captain on Engine and Truck 10 in the area of San Diego State University. His approach to training is a blend of real world experiences matched up with the skillsets taken from conferences such as FDIC, Firehouse World, Firemanship, FireShows West and soon to come March Mayhem.

Mike Smith is an instructor with Frit First Fire Training and has been in the fire service for 18-years and holds the rank of Captain. He serves as the Departments Training Officer and stays neck-deep in training through his work with the County Training Officers and his zone partners. Mike started teaching fire academies back in 2013 and is a State Fire Training instructor for FF1/FF2 academies, Fire Control 3, Firefighter Survival, and Low Angle Rope Rescue. Mike’s passion lies in engine company work, focusing on what matters most on the fireground - putting the fire out and searching for victims. Mike’s about training that's gritty and built for the realities of the job.

Jesse Fournier is an instructor for Grit First Fire Training with 18 years in the fire service. He holds the rank of Training Captain with the San Miguel Fire & Rescue Fire Department. Jesse is a State Fire instructor and teaches FC3, RRAO, Firefighter Survival and Driver Operator. He also serves as an instructor for Miramar College, an Academy instructor for his Fire Academy, and serves on the USAR Task force. Jesse’s passion is teaching and seeing others’ love for the job grow. He is trying his hardest to bring SoCal back on the map and back to old school gritty firemanship. More than all of that, Jesse sees himself as a student of the fire service trying his best to make it better than when he started because it has given him so much

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #39 Rob Policht - Flow & Vent Jan 27, 2025

Robert Policht started his career as a volunteer and is lieutenant of Ladder Co. 2 of the Passaic, NJ, Fire Department. During his time with Passaic he assisted with developing and establishing the department’s response to human vs. machine incidents and has a class on this subject he teaches at conferences nation wide. He is attached to Passaic’s fire Investigation Unit as well.

Rob teaches at the Bergen County, NJ, Fire Academy and is a member of the NJ Division of Fire Safety's Fire Threat Task Force. Policht has a master’s degree in emergency management and homeland security from Arizona State University and has been published in several fire service trade publications.

Rob is also a founder of and contributor to Flow and Vent, which is a website that's dedicated to fire and rescue training as well as one of the OG podcasts in the fire service.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #38 Nick Ledin - Knowledge is Power Jan 02, 2025

Nick Ledin is a firefighter paramedic with the O Claire Fire Department in Wisconsin, currently assigned to Engine 2. Nick has been a student of the job for over 16 years. He is a major contributor to ‘Firefighter Rescue Survey’, was the former president of the Northland FOOLS, and is an affiliate member of FireNuggets. Nick is a technical committee member for NFPA 1700, he was a former technical panel member for UL FSRI’s PPA and PPV Study as well as a part of UL FSRI’s Public Education Advisory Group. On top of this Nick is a co-host of the FireNuggets Podcast and GRABS Podcast. Nick Ledin is a deep thinker and an incredibly intelligent and knowledgeable fireman. This conversation was thought provoking and certainly one of my favorite podcasts to date. In this episode we discussed search, the powerful 2 in 2 out position paper Nick was a part of publishing earlier this year, risk vs reward and of course the infamous attempted heist of the class name “church of search”.

https://data-not-drama.com/2024/05/18/removing-two-in-two-out-a-modern-data-supported-defense-of-our-core-mission/

https://www.firefighterrescuesurvey.com

https://www.firenuggets.com

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #37 Mickey Farrell - Top Floor Fireman Dec 12, 2024

Mickey is a Lieutenant in the New York City Fire Department. He is a third-generation firefighter with 29 years of experience, the last 23 years being with the FDNY. Mickey has been instructor at the New York City Fire Academy, as well as a speaker and instructor at conferences all over the country. He is the founder and author of Top Floor Tactics, and the host of A View From the Top Floor Podcast. When Mickey speaks about the fire service he does so in a poetic manner that invokes passion for this profession. His views are unapologetic, derived from experience, and profound. This was certainly one of my favorite conversations to date. Like all of our podcast I learned a great deal and was left with lots to think about.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #36 Justin McWilliams - Search Culture Nov 24, 2024

In this episode we got the chance to sit down with Justin McWilliams. Justin is a veteran on the fire service and currently serves the citizens of Clackamas Fire in Oregon as the Captain of Heavy Rescue 5.
Anyone who has followed Justin knows he has a unique unapologetic personality. This is exactly what the fire service needs and exactly why I was so stoked to finally have this conversation.
Justin is extremely passionate and knowledgeable about search. He has a no nonsense, practical approach to this cornerstone skill of our profession and that’s what we dive deep into during this episode.

Justin is the creator of the search culture page on Instagram and if you are not following do so immediately. This page isn’t about looking salty, getting likes, it’s about spreading fact based information and knowledge about search.
We hope you enjoy this episode!

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #35 Kyle Romagus - Engine WORK Nov 04, 2024

Kyle Romagus is a 21-year veteran with East Montgomery County Fire Department in Texas.

He oversees the training division as a Battalion Chief, and in his words, is in love with engine work.

Kyle is the owner of smoothbore cartel and founder of Engine Company Resurrection. Kyle teaches engine operations for several well-known fire service instructor groups such as:

• FD tactics

• Brothers in Battle

• Oathkeepers

Kyle’s primary objective is to share knowledge about the value of Engine work with his fellow firefighters.

Kyle travels the country providing lectures and hands on training on engine company skills and provides one of the most compelling lectures on fire attack in the industry.

On top of that his organization provides sponsorship opportunities for firefighters to attend conferences around the country. His efforts are well known, respected, and his instructional methodology is second to none.
https://smoothborecartel.com/

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #34 Logan Broberg - Rogue Fireman Oct 15, 2024

Today on the podcast, we got a chance to sit down with Logan Broberg.

Logan is first and foremost, a proud husband, and a devoted father, however he is also a firefighter with ten years on the job. Currently serving as a Squad Chauffeur in Kissimmee FL.

Logan is the Founder of Rogue Firemanship Training, dedicated to honing skills and improving performance.

On top of that, you guessed it Logan is A proud Georgia Smoke Diver, #1158 and Georgia Flames graduate, #312.

He is a student of the craft, who is clearly passionate about continuous learning of the trade of firemanship. This was an excellent conversation with a hard charger. We hope you enjoy this episode as much as we did.
https://roguefiremanship.com/

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #33 David Rhodes - Heavy is the Head Sep 18, 2024

Sometimes in the fire service, those of us who are engaged, find ourselves involved in anything and everything we can get our hands on . I feel like this is a learned behavior and I think we may have learned it from Chief David Rhodes.

Chief is a 37 year veteran fire service. He retired as a battalion chief with the Atlanta fire department. Along the way has been published in more periodicals than I would be able to list in this bio, and has instructed both lecture and hands-on classes and conferences from coast to coast.

Chief Rhodes is now the editor and chief of fire engineering magazine, the president of FDIC , one of the chief Elders of the Georgia smoke diver program, and advisory member on the UL-FSRI board just a name a few things he’s involved in.

To accomplish any one of these singular tasks would be a career benchmark for any firefighter. The fact that chief Rhodes has had the ambition the time and the skill set to accomplish all of this is legendary. In this episode, we will talk with Chief Rhodes about these accomplishments and more, we hope you enjoy this episode as much as we did.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #32 Anthony Kastros - Calm the Chaos Sep 03, 2024

Anthony Kastros is a 33-year veteran of the fire service he retired as a Battalion Chief with the SAC Metro Fire Department and is the founder of Trainfirefighters.com. He is the author of several Fire Engineering books and video series, including Mastering the Fire Service Assessment Center, and Mastering Fireground Command – Calm the Chaos! Co- authored with Chief Brian Brush. Chief Kastros is an FDIC and Firehouse World instructor, and was the Keynote Speaker at FDIC 2013. Chief was also the recipient of the 2019 George D. Post Instructor of the Year Award from the International Society of Fire Service Instructors and Fire Engineering. Anthony hosts, The Command Show, a monthly blog radio show through Fire Engineering, he has taught assessment centers, leadership and team building as well as command strategy, and tactics to firefighters throughout the United States, and internationally. Our conversation was amazing it was like chatting with an old friend. Chief Kastros is a brilliant tactician and natural leader. His easy going fun attitude made this one of our most enjoyable podcasts to date. We hope you enjoy this episode as much as we did. Now let’s get after it.
Trainfirefighters.com

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #31 Jarrod Sergi - No Nonsense Leader Aug 19, 2024

On this episode, we sat down with Jarrod Sergi. At the time of this recording Jarrod was a Captain with Norfolk Fire Rescue in Norfolk VA. And was just about to get promoted to Battalion Chief.

Jarrod is a State Instructor for both the Virginia Department of Fire Programs and the National Fire Academy focusing on MAYDAY and Strategy/Tactics.

He is a graduate of the National Fire Academy’s Executive Fire Officer Program and has a Masters in Executive Leadership from Liberty University in Virginia.

He has been featured in several fire service publications. Jarrod is the founder of Trial by Fire, whose mission is to advance the Fire Service through strong leadership, accountability, and training.

We had an excellent conversation with Jarrod related to the company officer, Leadership at the company level, how to build cohesion, navigating morale issues, setting expectations, building good relationships with your bosses, and preparing for the role of the officer. As well as his book No nonsense leadership. Edition 2 is now available link below.

We hope you enjoy this episode as much as we did.

No-Nonsense Leadership: A Realistic Approach for the Company Officer https://a.co/d/j8DbzYU

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #30 Clark Glass - Humble Fireman Aug 05, 2024

On this episode of the podcast, we’re joined by Captain Clark Glass of the Atlanta fire department. Clark joined the fire service in 1997 at a small 2 station fire department department. In 2005 Clark had the itch for something more and made the switch to the Atlanta Fire Department. He began his career with Atlanta serving at companies on the Southwest side of the City until when he was assigned to Squad 4 Heavy Rescue. In 2017 he promoted to Lt. and stayed on Squad until November of 2022 when he was promoted to Captain. Clark currently serves on Truck 14.

Humble fireman is the best way to describe Clark. When I asked him for his topics and what he’d like to talk about he simply replied “The things that occupy my thoughts and actions are going to fires, the Georgia Smoke Diver program, and functional fitness.” We talked about all of this and more in this episode.

Due to an ongoing staffing crisis back at the home department my co-hosts Micah and Bryon were unable to join us on this episode so I went to the bullpen. But no worries because I rounded up none other than THE BOYERMAN himself. Chris Boyer joins me as cohost in this episode.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #29 Brian Brush - Fireground Foundations Jul 22, 2024

Brian Brush is the training chief for the Midwest City (OK) Fire Department. With more than 25 years of fire experience, his background spans several states from rural volunteer to metro-sized departments. He holds a masters degree in fire and emergency management, and an EFO as well. He has recently published a new book co-authored with Chief Anthony Kastros titled Mastering Fireground Command that is a must read. I’ll leave a link in the show notes to fire engineering books so you can purchase your copy. I will also leave a link to the Elkhart brass tacks and hard facts website where you can review Chief Brushe’s, informational training videos.

In this episode we dive deep into everything from Chief Brush’s incredible 2023 FDIC keynote speech “an unquenchable faith”, his insight on the tide change in the American fire service towards rescue right now, building a fire ground from the task level up, fireground objectives, vs tactics, and several other topics that were absolutely outstanding.
I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t impressed by the entire conversation. Chief Brush hits an an absolute homerun in this episode with his thought-provoking topics, tactical viewpoints, and humble delivery.

I hope you enjoy this episode as much as we did.

https://fireengineeringbooks.com/books/mastering-fireground-command-calm-the-chaos/

https://www.brasstackshardfacts.com/author/bbrush/

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #28 Cody Cavin & Pat Case - BA Shields Jul 08, 2024

Hey everybody, thanks for joining us as we crack open another episode of the undisclosed agents podcast. Today on the show, we had a chance to sit down with Cody Cavin and Pat Case the owners of BA Shields. Cody started in the Private EMS world in 2009. In 2012 he dipped his toes into the fire world and began volunteering with Truckee Meadows fire protection district in Reno Nevada. Little did Cody know, 1700 miles away Pat Case was on the same path in Minnesota. Working private EMS for the Mayo Clinic and volunteering as a firefighter as well. As fate would have it these two met in the Fire Academy for the Sparks Fire department just outside of Reno in 2015. There they would forge a partnership that has had a tremendous impact on the fire service

Chances are you have a BA Shield on your SCBA mask right now. If you don’t you should. In this episode we’ll talk not only about the BA Shield and its vast array of benefits, but about the trials and tribulations of starting a firefighter owned business. The up and downs, and the incredible community and brotherhood that Cody and Pat found along the way. This is an awesome conversation with firefighters trying to leave the fire service better than they found it.

BAShields - Superior SCBA And Dive Mask Protection

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #27 Rob Ramirez - MAYDAY MasterClass Jun 17, 2024

This episodes guest is Captain Rob Ramirez. Born and raised in Miami, Florida. He has been a passionate student of the Fire Service for over 22 years. Rob is a state-certified Fire Instructor II, Fire Officer II, Safety Officer, and Live Fire Training Instructor.

Since 2005, he has served as a Rescue Team Manager for the Department of Homeland Security F.E.M.A. U.S.A.R. Florida Task Force out of Miami, FL. He has deployed on many national and international high-profile USAR missions, including the Haiti earthquake in 2010 and major Hurricanes Katrina, Harvey, Florence, Michael, and Ian.
Rob is the founder and Lead Instructor of Mayday Mindset Consulting LLC. Rob is also the lead instructor for the Firefighter Rescue programs at the Ft. Lauderdale Fire Expo Conference and travels nationally and internationally as a guest instructor, speaker, and keynote at various Fire Conferences throughout the year.
Strap in and get ready for a Mayday master class! This was one of the most intense episodes yet and I definitely took more notes that I talked. We hope our get as much out of this episode as we did!

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #26 Preston Lyons - Check Your Ego Jun 03, 2024

Preston has served as a firefighter/paramedic at North Metro Fire in Colorado for nine years. He is a 10-year Navy veteran and got his start in firefighting as an aircraft crash and salvage firefighter onboard the flight decks of aircraft carriers during the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Then had his first exposure to structure firefighting in the 850 as a volunteer firefighter in Escambia County, FL in 2010. Preston is also the creator of Fit Fire Fortitude on Instagram but has recently rebranded and created a podcast under the name Relentless Rejects. we’ll dive into this topic and several others, including his recently published article “When fire conferences meet reality” referenced in the show notes. Preston is a driven non nonsense firefighter who holds himself and others around him accountable through his actions not just his words. Preston has some thought provoking ideas and we had an excellent conversation.

https://www.firefighternation.com/leadership-and-management/when-fire-conferences-meet-reality-bridging-the-gap-between-passion-and-proficiency/#gre
https://www.instagram.com/therelentlessrejects?igsh=MTZlMmJpOGthc3l6bA==

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #25 Brad Driscoll - Hard Truths May 20, 2024

Today we got a chance to sit down with Brad Driscoll. Brad is a retired member of the Fresno Fire department. Serving at all ranks from firefighter to Battalion Chief. During his 22 years with Fresno Fire department Brad pretty much had his hands and everything from chairman of the local 202 executive board, recruit Academy drill instructor, public information officer, and was also a member of the serious accident review teams on the Cortland incident and Porterville incident. I will attach a link to these two SART reports in the show notes. I suggest if you haven’t already reviewed these reports you do so, the findings and lessons learned at these tragic incidents has helped shape some of the West Coast fireground tactics. The topics Brad brought to the podcast were incredibly thought provoking and stimulated some excellent conversations. We hope you enjoy the discussion as much as we did.

https://www.fresno.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/SART-Report.pdf

https://cms9files.revize.com/PortervilleCA/departments/Fire/PFD-SART-Report.pdf

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FIRE SHOWS WEST mini episode May 05, 2024

We’re starting something new. The Undisclosed Agents Podcast wants to help firefighter owned businesses, as well as promote ways to better yourself as a firefighter so were going to start recording some “mini episodes” that do just that. Today we sat down with Trish Bonari, Executive Director of Fire Shows West. This is a conference in Reno, Nevada coming up this September. Fire Shows West is changing and has the potential to be a premier fire conference out West. This mini episode highlights some of the exciting changes happening this year and gives you all of the information you’ll need if you’re interested in attending this year.
https://www.fireshowswest.com/

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #24 Bobby Eckert - as REAL as it gets May 03, 2024

Bobby is a Second-Generation Fireman from Collingswood, NJ. Bobby got his start in the Fire Service in 1996. In 2006 he left Collingswood as a career Firefighter to pursue a career in the Camden, NJ Fire Department. Bobby spent 10 years as a private being assigned to Engine 9, Ladder 1, & Squad 7. In 2016 he was promoted to Captain and is currently assigned to Squad Company 7. He is a Pro Board Level II Instructor, and has a B.S. in Public Safety Administration. Bobby is also the owner of Eckert Fire Tactics. His Taking it to the Streets live fire class is one of the most popular in the country. Bobby is a dynamic fire service instructor who has been featured at fire conferences all over the county. This conversation wasn’t like the rest. Bobby requested that we come up with the questions and topics so he could come in blind.
This isn’t the way we normally do business but who are we to tell Bobby Eckert how the mop flops? We hope you enjoy this no bullshit conversation with a no bullshit blue collar fireman.

https://www.eckertfiretactics.com

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #23 Justin Lorenzen - BIG passion = BIG target Apr 12, 2024

Justin started in fire service in 2005 at a rural combination department about 30 miles south of the metro and was there for 3 years before getting hired at Oklahoma City fire department. Where he is currently a Lieutenant on the south side of the city at station 7/C, the “Capitol Hill Creepers”, and drives Battalion 603. Justin also Served as a training officer for 3 years in the training division. Outside of his department Justin is currently the president for the local F.O.O.L.S chapter, Mid-America F.O.O.L.S OKC Metro, he is a part of Firefighter Rescue Survey, the Valor Fire Training Cadre and Build Your Culture Cadre. Justin’s passion is Search and all things training but most importantly leaving the job better than he found it! This was yet another excellent conversation with a very humble inspirational individual. We hope you enjoy the show.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #22 Eric Wheaton - V.E.S Vetted, Engaged, Savage Mar 25, 2024

Eric Wheaton is a 17 year veteran of the fire service and currently serves as a truck lieutenant for Winter Park (FL) Fire Department. Eric is the Owner of VentEnterSearch, LLC. He also serves as an advisory board member on the UL-FSRI Size-up and search & rescue study. Eric has been an instructor at conferences all over the country. This year at FDIC he will be teaching his “Can confidence” hands on class, if you’re heading to Indy in April be sure to sign up. This was an excellent conversation with someone who has an undeniable passion for this craft, and has most certainly helped me along my journey. We have included in the show notes a link to Eric’s website vententersearch.com an amazing website full of information compiled from all over the fire service, if you haven’t seen it definitely go check it out. We have also included a link to Erics book of mentors he put together and we discuss during the podcast. Definitely give it a look and start adding to your own.

http://www.vententersearch.com

Book of mentors: fire service names you should know https://api.sherbert.cimpress.io/v2/assets/C_VUwwvqhPCmnVwagMgL3~100?signature=bf9953ed5344e2302bd378591b25cd8fe0e153fc&showDeleted=false

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #21 Kevin Pfluger - DAGUM Professional Mar 11, 2024

Kevin Pfluger is a 17 year veteran of the fire service and is currently a Lieutenant at the Live Oak fire department in Texas. Kevin is the President of the Live Oak Professional Firefighters Association Local 4098. Through the local, Kevin is the lead organizer of the Dagum Texas Fire Conference. He teaches with MV Fire Rescue as the lead instructor teaching hose line management in their class “The First Line” for the Engine Ops Cadre and helps teach firefighter rescue and survival skills on the “No Quit RIT” Cadre. Kevin is also an instructor with the Bearers of the Oath Cadre out of Georgia. When he’s not at the firehouse or instructing Kevin also works for Mercedes Textiles Hose as a Consultant, and sits on the UL 19 Technical Committee for Fire Hose. All that being said Kevin is as humble as they come. The conversation with him was not only entertaining, but also sparked questions inside of us that we discussed at length amongst ourselves after the show. He is the kind of guy that makes you want to be better at this job, period. This was an awesome conversation with an inspiring human being. Hope you enjoy the show.
https://www.dagumtexasfireconference.com/

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #20 Tom Hollick - Expectations AND Accountability Feb 20, 2024

Today we had the opportunity to chat with Tom Hollick. Tom is an 18 year veteran of the fire service who currently serves as a Battalion Chief in Texas. Tom has an impressive resume thanks to his incredible passion for this profession. Some of the highlights include being an instructor with bearers of the oath, and MV fire rescue heading up amazing classes like NO QUIT RIT. This was an excellent, no bullshit conversation with someone who isn’t afraid to tell the truth about this job and what it takes to be successful. We hope you enjoy our conversation with Chief Hollick.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #19 Ljay Geist - Tailboard Leader Feb 02, 2024

LJay has been in the fire service since 2009 and currently serves as a Firefighter in West Kansas. He has lectured and instructed HOT trainings both regionally and nationally, with an emphasis on aggressive search and fire attack culture. Ljay’s tailboard Leadership class is a must for every firefighter. His passion for the craft is undeniable. Having the opportunity to talk with like minded people like who want to stomp mediocrity out of the American fire service is an absolute honor and Ljay did not disappoint. We hope you enjoy the conversation as much as we did.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #18 Brian Olson - Skills under pressure Jan 14, 2024

Brian is a 15 year firefighter in Idaho. Brian really needs no introduction but here’s a few of the highlights. Brian teaches with Brothers In Battle, he is a founding member of the Firefighter Rescue Survey and he is Georgia Smoke Diver #1091 (Idaho #3). This was an amazing opportunity for us to have a conversation with someone whos work in the fire service has always been inspirational for us. Brian has been an unofficial mentor to me for quite some time and to have him join us on the podcast was incredibly humbling and inspiring. We hope you enjoy this conversation as much as we did.

https://www.firefighterrescuesurvey.com/

http://www.brothersinbattlellc.com/

https://www.georgiasmokediver.com/

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #17 Steve Nicholas - Warrior Servants Dec 23, 2023

In this episode we had a chance to sit down with DR. Steven Nicholas.

Steve is a licensed marriage and family therapist who has immersed himself in the phenomena of trauma and the potential growth from adverse events.

This immersion led Steve to author the book Warrior Servants. Warrior servants are those who choose to serve in professions that require great discipline, loyalty and drive, they come when they are called and they suit up and show up when they are needed. Mental health for warrior servants has traditionally been addressed in the same way. Steves goal is to try and shift the incident response model of reactive mental health in to a pre-incident education model. This is a groundbreaking book that examines how the cultures among warrior servants can shift towards prioritizing their physical health mental health, relationships, and normalizing the emotional impact of the job. We’ll leave a link in the show notes to docs website where you can pick up your own copy of the book warrior servants. This was a powerful conversation with a down to earth guy who truly understands the first responder culture. We hope you enjoy.

https://www.livingideation.com

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #16 Dennis Reilly - Comfort or growth? You choose. Dec 08, 2023

Today we sat down with Chief Dennis Reilly. Chief Reilly has been involved intimately involved in the fire service for over forty years, with over twenty years as a Chief Officer. He is a dynamic self-starter who is very comfortable working in challenging situations. Chief Reilly’s work record shows a consistent ability to exceed what is expected of him. He is a solid team builder and team member. This was an amazing conversation with an absolute legend and we were incredibly humbled to have this opportunity.

We want to let the listeners know that this was our first attempt at a remote recording on the podcast. Chief Reilly is located in Florida, it was a bit windy in Florida on the day we recorded and some of that wind cuts his microphone out a few times. Bare with it and I promise you that you are going to hear some solid gold nuggets coming from Chief Reilly. We hope you enjoy the conversation as much as we did, now let’s get after it.
https://instagram.com/firstline850?igshid=NzZlODBkYWE4Ng==

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #15 Jennifer Rowan - Raising the standard Nov 20, 2023

In this episode we sat down with Jennifer Rowan. Jen retired last October after spending 20 years working for the Reno Fire Department. During her time as a firefighter and apparatus engineer Jen spent a lot of time training. Not just training on strategies and tactics, but training her body to be able to withstand the rigors of this job and to preform at her peak. When she retired she took her passion for the fire service and her passion for physical fitness and created Academy Fitness Prep. AFP is a training/coaching program designed to help individuals train for the physical side of firefighting. Her programs specifically focus on movements and output that mimics fireground operations. Jen was an amazing guest her no bullshit attitude is a great reminder of TSAFE (this shit ain’t for everyone)! We covered many topics and had a great time. Also don’t forget to check out her website listed in the show notes.

https://academyfitnessprep.com

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #14 Marcos Orozco - Stay Humble and Stay Hungry Nov 02, 2023

In this episode we got the chance to sit down with Marcos Orozco. Marcos is spent over 15 years working as a firefighter in south Florida. Recently he has relocated to Colorado to start all over as a probationary backseat firefighter, valuing his belief that life is too short, not to live, and wok somewhere you love. Marcos has a passion for fitness, and not just working out but working out in a manner that better prepares you for the job. We discussed his journey along this path, as well as becoming a Georgia Smoke Diver, instructing at conferences across the country, and how organizational support for individuals begets individuals supporting an organization. This was an amazing conversation with an absolute savage. We really enjoyed our time with Marcos we hope you enjoy it too.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #13 Cory Whitlock - The burden of leadership Oct 12, 2023

Cory Whitlock is an 18 year veteran of the fire service. He is currently a Battalion Chief in Northern Nevada, prior to his current posting Cory spent 12 years with the city of Las Vegas fire department and was a truck Captain out of station 1 downtown. Some where along the way he found the time between running a tremendous amount of calls, being a family man, and his union work both at the local and state level with the PFFN to become a PA as well, and is very close to completing his doctorate. Cory was a fantastic guest. We covered several topics ranging from the burden of leadership, accountability, and passion for the job which Cory has no shortage of.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #12 Craig Cook - The Jack Sep 21, 2023

In this episode we got the chance to sit down with Craig Cook. Craig is a 14 year veteran of the fire service, married father of 4, and currently holds the position of driver/operator. Craig is one of those guys who’s not afraid to stand up for what’s right, he’s not afraid to tell the truth even when it’s unpopular. Craig is an excellent mentor to those making their way in our profession and on top of that he is a hell of a fireman. We talked with Craig about the differences in the hiring climate now as compared to 14 years ago, about being the “Jack” of all trades, and the shift in scene culture Craig has seen in his time. This was an AWESOME conversation with someone who we have tremendous respect for and we hope you enjoy it as much as we did.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #11 Paul Thoma - Next mission Sep 06, 2023

Paul Thoma spent the better part of a decade serving with Team 7 in the Navy Seals. Upon his exit from the Seal Team Paul found his next mission as the C.E.O of the Seal Future Foundation. This foundation helps Navy Seals successfully transition from the life of high level operator back into the civilian world. They focus on 4 pillars for success, health, career, education, and community. This foundation is doing amazing work for the Seal community, and should be the model for all branches of our military in assisting their personnel at the end of their service careers. We discussed the foundations mission and dive deep into several topics that revealed many similarities between the Seal and Firefighter cultures. Paul has also found mission in the film industry through story telling on the big screen as an American actor best known for his work on features and shows such as Top Gun: Maverick, Stranger Things, Reno 911!, Michael Bay's Ambulance, Bosch: Legacy, and Amazon's Jack Ryan. We have included links in the show notes for the Seal Future Foundation and Paul’s IMDB page, we highly suggest you check them both out. Paul was an amazing guest and the conversation is excellent, we hope you enjoy!

https://sealff.org

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9732704/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_3_tt_2_nm_6_q_paul%2520thoma

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #10 Scott Baker - Enjoy the ride! Aug 24, 2023

Finally! The man, the myth, the legend Scott Baker! After he was mentioned in every single episode of the Undisclosed Agents Podcast we figured who better for episode 10. After 33 years with his department, Scott recently retired as a Battalion Chief. Scott is the ultimate example of a fireman’s Chief. Scott embraced servant leadership, training, and the absolute love of the job for over 3 decades. Scott requested a little different approach for this episode and asked if we would bring up some topics/questions and he would elaborate. It was an amazing conversation with one of our best friends and mentors I hope you enjoy it as much as we did.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #9 Jerry Hallert - Follower or Believer Aug 10, 2023

In this episode of the Undisclosed Agents Podcast we sat down with Jerry Hallert. Jerry is a Lieutenant with a metropolitan police department, a Jiujitsu black belt, and the owner of multiple businesses (all referenced in the show notes) including several Jiujitsu gyms, a Jiujitsu based clothing company, and a training company that focuses on providing realistic POST certified law enforcement defensive tactics for first responders. In this episode we dive deep into how the foundations of true leadership transcends your title, rank, and even what profession you’re in. The similarities are undeniable wether you’re a firefighter or law enforcement officer, leaders are leaders and the good ones follow the same playbook. Enjoy!

https://www.bjjrenotahoe.com/

https://komainuapparel.com

https://leodefensesystems.com

https://phxenterprises.com

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #8 Chris Boyer - Leader of men Jul 27, 2023

In this episode we had the privilege to sit down with Chris Boyer A.K.A “The Boyerman”. Chris is an accomplished firefighter with an impressive resume that includes longtime Hotshot, Wildland Smoke Jumper, Tillerman, Georgia Smoke Diver Nevada #1, co-host of the Reno chapter of Tactics on Tap, and cadre member for Hortons & Hunt training to name a few things. He’s got a great story with a powerful message. His positive attitude combined with his incredible work ethic makes Chris one of our favorite guys to work with and it was an easy decision to have him on as a guest. Hope you enjoy!

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #7 Jeff Linscott & Greg Richards - Finest Hour Jul 13, 2023

On March 28th of 2023 Jeff Linscott and Greg Richards came together on a structure fire and made 2 successful grabs. We got a chance to sit down and talk to them about the details of this call and the WHY behind the success of this mission. This episode is heavy on the emotion of this call, the tactics that lead to success, and is absolutely inspirational for any firefighter.
“To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour.”

-Winston Churchill

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #6 Bryon Hunt - Love of the game Jun 29, 2023

In this episode we sat down with Bryon Hunt, a 29 year veteran of the fire service. He’s the senior member of his department, he’s the president of his Local, long time academy director and instructor, mentor to countless, amazing knowledgeable firefighter, he is THE example of true brotherhood in the fire service, and this doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface of his résumé. We talk about his journey to where he is today, his thoughts on the senior man, training, and the origins of H&H, which Bryon is a founding partner. ENJOY!
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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #5 Matt Loughran - The fire service doesn’t end at your city limits Jun 14, 2023

Undisclosed Agents #5 - Matt Loughran
In this episode we got a chance to sit down with a 36 year veteran of the fire service. Matt spent 30+ years as a Captain with the city of Fremont CA, before relocating to Northern Nevada as a Division Chief of training, and is now the Fire Academy coordinator for Shasta College. Matt’s entire resume is too long to list, and his extensive USAR background is legendary. Matt is a huge mentor of ours and we had a great conversation ENJOY!
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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #4 Chris Mason - Extend your expiration date Jun 01, 2023

In this episode we sat down with Chris Mason. A Battalion Chief at his current department, Chris brings over 20 years of fire service experience to the table as we discuss the seriousness of the job, his style of leadership, and he asks a very thought provoking question about a leaders expiration date.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #3 Carlos Madrid - Find your WHY May 18, 2023

In this episode we sat down with Carlos Madrid. Carlos is an amazing guy, with an active life. After leaving professional baseball Carlos opened, and ran an incredibly successful private fitness facility before making the transition into the fire service. Carlos is fueled by his “why” and he wants you to be as well.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #2 Jon Pedrini - Mindset over motivation May 02, 2023

Motivation is fleeting, but mindset is established. In this episode we sit down with Jon, who started his public service career in 2002 and since has held the titles of

Firefighter
SWAT team leader
TEMS commander
Combat Flight Paramedic
Platoon Sergeant

Jon is now a Battalion Chief with his current fire department. We talk about what it takes to be successful in these arenas, and life in general.

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Undisclosed Agents Podcast #1 Brian Zabel - Change your department or change departments Apr 19, 2023

In this episode we sit down with Brian, a 23 year veteran of the fire service to discuss his recent move from Captain at his former department to probationary fireman at his new department.

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