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    Undermine

    Undermine is the definitive Phish podcast. New season coming soon, building on what we’ve done—seasons on Phish’s genesis in the 1980s, the Phish community, the Baker’s Dozen, and Fall ’97. Through deep-dives into the music, shows and songs; interviews with people who were there; and discussion about Phish’s lasting impact. Undermine is presented by Osiris Media.

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    Under the Scales: Billy Strings (Re-Release) Nov 20, 2024

    The wonderful bluegrass sensation Billy Strings is on the show! Billy shares 5 important songs with Tom and explains how they influenced his career. Originally released in 2020.

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    Under the Scales: Jesse Jarnow (Re-Release) Nov 18, 2024

    Rock writer Jesse Jarnow is featured. We discuss his many articles, books and career at large. One article in particular created enormous ripples (a tsunami?) in the Phish community. Jesse is known in the Osiris world as the voice/writer of After Midnight, a tribute to Phish's 1999 Big Cypress festival. Originally released in 2020.

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    Under the Scales: CID Presents (Re-Release) Nov 15, 2024

    Dan Berkowitz, founder and president of CID Presents is interviewed by Tom and RJ. What is CID Presents? How did they pull off yet another amazing Phish gala in Mexico? Why did Phish move to a different resort? What is CID doing next? All these questions and more, answered. Originally released in 2020.

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    Under the Scales: Goose Part 2 (Re-Release) Nov 13, 2024

    Conclusion (Part 2). Tom and RJ interview Rick Mitarotonda and Peter Anspach of Goose live onstage at the Brooklyn Bell House as part of the Brooklyn Podcast Festival. They played several acoustic numbers and were joined by their friend Jeffrey Arevelo on upright bass. Those were Arcadia, Time to Flee, A Western Sun, Brian & Robert (Phish), Jive II, Birds of a Feather (Phish). Originally released in 2020.

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    Under the Scales: Goose Part 1 (Re-Release) Nov 11, 2024

    (Part 1 of 2) Tom and RJ interview Rick Mitarotonda and Peter Anspach of Goose live onstage at the Brooklyn Bell House as part of the Brooklyn Podcast Festival. They played several acoustic numbers and were joined by their friend Jeffrey Arevelo on upright bass. Those were Arcadia, Time to Flee, A Western Sun, Brian & Robert (Phish), Jive II, Birds of a Feather (Phish). Originally released in 2020.

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    Under the Scales: Ezra Koenig of Vampire Weekend (Re-Release) Nov 07, 2024

    Ezra Koenig of Vampire Weekend talks songwriting, Phish, music industry, show biz, influences, New York and more.

    RJ Bee joins Tom to interview Ezra in a far-ranging open-ended interview where the Vampire Weekend effect is viewed through a Phish lens occasionally. Originally released in 2020.

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    Under the Scales: Pink Talking Cal Kehoe (Re-Release) Nov 04, 2024

    Cal Kehoe, guitarist for Pink Talking Fish, talks music with Tom. The two met exactly 10 years ago, and have written three songs together and shared a stage at a Phish after show during the Bakers Dozen in 2017. Listen to Cal discuss PTF and the method and philosophy behind covering three bands.

    There's a lot of music in this podcast. "Anthony" from Sonic Boom Studios in Raritan NJ is mentioned several times...but not his last name for some reason...sorry Anthony KRIZAN!!! Anthony and Tom and Cal have written and recorded together.

    Those songs along with a lot of Pink Talking Fish are played. Tom and Cal's song Limbo is discussed and played in its entirety at the end of the show.

    (BTW...yes, we know that it's actually "Sheep" and not "Dogs".)

    Originally released in 2019.

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    Under the Scales: Beyond the Pond Best Albums (Re-Release) Oct 31, 2024

    Another Osiris podcast, Beyond the Pond, has compiled their top-30 albums of the decade. Tom talks to them about their motivations and the thoughts behind making such an epic compilation. We hear music from each of the hosts' top-10 selections.


    Brian Brinkman's top 10 albums:

    Brian’s Top Ten Albums of The 2010s:

    01. The War On Drugs: Lost In The Dream

    02. Deerhunter: Halcyon Digest,

    03. The National: High Violet,

    04. Vampire Weekend: Modern Vampires Of The City,

    05. Low: Double Negative,

    06. The Walkmen: Heaven,

    07. Cass McCombs: Tip Of The Sphere,

    08. Beach House: Teen Dream,

    09. Bon Iver: Bon Iver,

    10. The National: Trouble Will Find Me,

    David Goldstein's top 10 albums:

    David’s Top Ten Albums of The 2010s:

    01. Robyn: Body Talk

    02. The National: High Violet,

    03. HAIM: Days Are Gone,

    04. The War On Drugs: Lost In The Dream,

    05. Sturgill Simpson: Metamodern Sounds In Country Music,

    06. The Horrors: Primary Colours,

    07. Wooden Ships: V,

    08. Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy,

    09. Cut Copy: Zonoscope,

    10. Viet Cong: Viet Cong,

    Beyond The Pond on Spotify:

    https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7pVgB1jEqrwmWzsTPzkwGj


    Originally released in 2019.


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    Under the Scales: Lyrics Dive 4 (Re-Release) Oct 21, 2024

    Listening can make you wonder. If you've ever wondered about the songs: Dirt, Guyute, Undermind or Light, then listen to this lyrics-analysis podcast and perhaps pieces will fall into place for you. But keep wondering anyway.

    Photo Credit: Tom Marshall

    Photo Art: Mark Dowd

    Originally released in 2019.

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    Under the Scales: Lyrics Dive 3 (Re-Release) Oct 18, 2024

    The lyrics for 3 popular Phish songs are examined lovingly by the Under the Scales forensic team. The Wedge, Crowd Control and No Men in No Mans Land are all on the table.

    Produced by RevoiceMedia.com

    Photo credit: Jay Sweet

    Originally released in 2019.

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    Under the Scales: Scott Aukerman (Re-Release) Oct 16, 2024

    From 2011 to 2014 there was an amazing Phish podcast called Analyze Phish hosted by Scott Aukerman and Harris Wittels. Once it ended, Tom Marshall, saw an opportunity for another Phish podcast and launched Under the Scales in 2016. In this episode, Tom interviews one of the Analyze Phish hosts, Scott Aukerman. This episode contains clips from the Analyze Phish podcast:

    https://www.earwolf.com/episode/a-different-angle/

    https://www.earwolf.com/episode/phish-live-in-ny/

    Special thanks to Scott Aukerman, RJ Bee and Earwolf’s friendly staff.

    Thanks to producers Nick Ruffini and Kirsten Cluthe of RevoiceMedia.com. Originally released in 2019.

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    Under the Scales: Waterwheel (Re-Release) Oct 14, 2024

    Phish's charitable arm, the Waterwheel Foundation, is discussed by the founders: Beth Montouri Rowles, Matthew Beck and Henry Schwab. Produced by RevoiceMedia.com. Originally released in 2019.

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    Under the Scales: Ticketing with CashOrTrade (Re-Release) Oct 11, 2024

    Tom speaks with Brando Rich of CashOrTrade.org. Platinum tickets, hoarding, scalping and more are discussed, and how new technology is helping to get face-value tickets into fan’s hands. The ticket secondary market is examined. Buyers often face steep markups, but there are new methods being employed to get more face-value tickets to fans. Produced by revoicemedia.com. Originally released in 2019.

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    Under the Scales: Lyrics Reprise (Re-Release) Oct 09, 2024

    The lyrics for 5 popular Phish songs are examined lovingly by the Under the Scales forensic team. Scents & Subtle Sounds, Walls of the Cave, Joy, Steam and Pebbles & Marbles are all on the table. Is there a nod to David Bowie in Joy? Is there a very valuable Walls of the Cave T-Shirt about to hit the auction block? Did Tom's dad accidentally steer him off the electrical engineering track and into rock lyrics? Did Tom's voice slip unnoticed onto an actual Phish album? Was Steam composed on an iPad? Did a Walls of the Cave prank sow the seeds for Kasvot Vaxt? YES is the likely answer to all the above. Only one way to get the details...jump in to UTS Episode 52: LYRICS REPRISE! Originally released in 2019.

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    Under the Scales: Deep Dive into Lyrics (Re-Release) Oct 07, 2024

    In this episode, Tom dives into the meaning of five popular Phish songs, chosen by co-hosts Tebo Thomas and RJ Bee: Wading in the Velvet Sea, Blaze On, Horn, Bug and Life Boy. Originally released in 2019.

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    Under the Scales: Kevin Statesir (Re-Release) Oct 04, 2024

    Kevin Statesir, Trey’s brother-in-law and founder of the Burlington Vermont music venue Higher Ground, joins Tom in the studio to discuss Phish from a family perspective, and also how Higher Ground has become an integral piece in the Vermont music puzzle these days. Kevin’s long history in the music biz includes brushes with John Lennon and Keith Richards. Kevin also discusses Trey’s efforts to help with the hurricane-ravaged island of Tortola, Please check out http://trey.com/tortola-relief/ to learn more. Originally released in 2019.

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    Under the Scales: Mike Gordon Part 2 (Re-Release) Oct 02, 2024

    A sampling of Mike’s music accompanies further discussion about the creative process. Mike’s solo projects are covered, and songs highlighted. Mike’s motives for each subsequent project seems to change as his collaborations with admirable artists continues to abound. However, Scott Murawski emerges as possibly Mike’s longest collaborator. Mike discusses his extensive journals he keeps about his playing, and gives us a glimpse into these as he shares the best jams from previous tours. Mike turns the mic around and interviews Tom about songwriting with a few insightful questions. Originally released in 2019.

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    Under the Scales: Mike Gordon Part 1 (Re-Release) Sep 30, 2024

    Mike Gordon joins Tom for the Under the Scales Season 3 opener. This is Part 1 of 2. Mike is a bass player, bandleader, consummate collaborator, songwriter, inventor. Mike speaks on the metaphysics of groove. See where this is going? WAS MIKE ALMOST IN THE WHO?? Originally released in 2019.

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    Under the Scales: New Years Countdown with Scott Marks (Re-Release) Sep 27, 2024

    For the Season 2 closer of Under the Scales, Mockingbird member Scott Marks - also known as @bizarchive - helps Tom rank the best New Years shows in the Phish 3.0 era. Originally released in 2018.

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    Under the Scales: The Kasvot Vaxt Halloween Prank (Re-Release) Sep 25, 2024

    On Halloween 2018 in Las Vegas, Phish's costume entailed becoming a Scandinavian dance-pop band from the 80's. How? Why? I talk to my pals to sort it all out.

    Guests:

    Brian Brinkman,

    David Steinberg,

    Craig Hillwig,

    Jen Bernstein,

    RJ Bee,

    Stephen "Tebo" Thomas,

    Scott Gray

    Originally released in 2018.

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    Under the Scales: Scott Rogowsky (Re-Release) Sep 23, 2024

    Amazing host of the sensational HQ Trivia app, Scott Rogowsky, joins Tom and co-host RJ Bee for a spirited discussion and then a Phish trivia quiz! Originally released in 2018.

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    Under the Scales: Annabel Lukins (Re-Release) Sep 20, 2024

    Jam Cruise Director, Loveboat Hostess, Tanuary, Mother Duck…call her what you will, Annabel Lukins will surprise you with her accomplishments, her love of music, and the depth of her abilities to thrive in the music business and be (actual) friends with everyone she encounters. Originally released in 2018.

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    Under the Scales: Scott Metzger (Re-Release) Sep 18, 2024

    JRAD guitarist, and Wolf, RANA, Amfibian, F-Hole, Particle and many many others, renaissance man guitarist Scott Metzger talks with Tom and friend Andrew Southern about his musical journey and all those bands! Originally released in 2018.

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    Under the Scales: Nugs.net (Re-Release) Sep 16, 2024

    Tom and RJ interview Brad Serling, founder of Nugs.net, the company that powers LivePhish and gets webcasts into your home. Originally released in 2018.

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    Under the Scales: Ben & Jerry's (Re-Release) Sep 13, 2024

    Tom is joined by Jay Curley of Ben & Jerry's, the ice cream company, to discuss their multi-year relationship with Phish. Engineer: Brian Stollery. Originally released in 2018.

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    Under the Scales: Brad Sands (Re-Release) Sep 11, 2024

    Brad Sands, Phish's longtime road manager - from 1991 to 2004 - talks to Tom and Tebo about the good old days, and has some great behind the scenes stories. Originally released in 2018.

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    Under the Scales: Trey's Ghost Story (Re-Release) Sep 09, 2024

    Osiris co-founder RJ Bee interviews me on Under the Scales for the 20th anniversary of Phish's album Story of the Ghost. We call a special guest to answer some additional questions. Originally released in 2018.

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    Under the Scales: Federal Donuts (Re-Release) Sep 06, 2024

    I interview Felicia D’Ambrosio, one of the partners of Federal Donuts who supplied all the donuts for Phish’s Baker’s Dozen shows July and August 2017. We learn about stairwells, Neil Young, and that holes are a flavor. Originally released in 2018.

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    Under the Scales: Dicks 2017 (Re-Release) Sep 05, 2024

    I wander around the Dicks lot during the Phish shows in September 2017 in Denver. I meet and talk to a lot of people including Bethany Barker of Phish Chicks and Paige Clem of the Phellowship. Music, art, glassware, sandwiches, nitrous, artificial legs, tributes to lost fans and guidance aplenty. Originally released in 2018.

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    Under the Scales: The Pinsky Triangle (Re-Release) Sep 04, 2024

    Jason Pinsky is Tom's guest in the Under the Scales Season 2 opener. Jason is a former Phish employee, music fan, food fan and cannabis connoisseur. Originally released in 2018.

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    Under the Scales: Andy Gadiel (Re-Release) Aug 28, 2024

    For our Season-ending episode I am joined by the founder of Jambase.com -- Andy Gadiel ushered Phish and fans into the internet age with one of the very first band websites on the World Wide Web. Originally released in 2017.


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    Under the Scales: Andy Bernstein (Re-Release) Aug 27, 2024

    Andy Bernstein, founder of HeadCount, talks to Tom about multiple Phish-related projects. Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Scott Herman (Re-Release) Aug 26, 2024

    Scott Herman and Tebo inflict severe Q&A upon Tom. Scott, for those unaware, has 18 or more Phish songwriting credits to his name. Also: the REAL *Helping Friendly Book* is revealed. Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Phil and Friends Q&A (Re-Release) Aug 23, 2024

    Big Phil and Medium Phil, both longtime Phish friends and fans, stop by to ask Tom questions...only, they forgot the questions. Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Live Stream (Re-Release) Aug 22, 2024

    Eli Tishberg tells us about directing the video feed that allows us to see Phish live in our living rooms in unparalleled quality. Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Jazz is Phish (Re-Release) Aug 21, 2024

    Jazz Is Phish drummer Adam Chase illuminates the intricate workings of one of the most creative Phish cover bands. Originally released in 2017.

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    Special Report: New Songs Pt. 2 Jul 17, 2024

    Join us for this special report, where Tom and Benjy talk through the new songs. This is part 2!

    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, and Benjy Eisen. Edited by Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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    Special Report: New Songs Pt 1 Jul 17, 2024

    Join us for this special report, where Tom and Benjy talk through the new songs. This is part 1.

    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, and Benjy Eisen. Edited by Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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    Under the Scales: Posters (Re-Release) Jul 16, 2024

    Tom is in the studio with Jim Pollock and David Welker, the two cornerstones of the Phish poster phenomenon. Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Petrea Kelly (Re-Release) Jul 15, 2024

    Petrea Davis and Kelly Baines swim Under the Scales to inflict another Q&A upon Tom. Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Tale of Two Songs (Re-Release) Jul 11, 2024

    Tom puts the songwriting and recording process under the microscope with two co-writers and two new songs. Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Kelly Morris (Re-Release) Jul 10, 2024

    Kelly Morris, creator of the captivating video accompaniment to the Phish song 'More', tells us what MORE she has in store! Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Yossarian (Re-Release) Jul 09, 2024

    Yossarian Kelly, early friend of the Dead, early phan, early bird when it comes to growing cannabis legally, calls UTS from Washington to check in. Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Steve Martocci (Re-Release) Jul 08, 2024

    GroupMe founder and Phish super-fan Steve Martocci talks about collaboration and inspiration on a beautiful day in New York City. Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Andrea Nusinov (Re-Release) Jul 05, 2024

    Andrea is an amazing Phish photographer who shares secrets on how her hobby took off! She also captures moments and the feeling we forgot. Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Questions Answers 1 (Re-Release) Jul 03, 2024

    A new type of episode, in which Tom answers your questions, or at least makes an attempt...

    Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Holly Bowling Part 2 (Re-Release) Jul 02, 2024

    Holly Bowling continues entrancing us with her musical powers...and disassembles my piano! Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Holly Bowling Part 1 (Re-Release) Jul 02, 2024

    Holly Bowling stops by the studio to educate us musically -- my piano has never sounded better! Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Benjy Eisen Part 2 (Re-Release) Jul 01, 2024

    The second half of the Benjy Eisen interview in which we cover Phish and Reed Mathis...oh, and life and lyrics. Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Benjy Eisen Part 1 (Re-Release) Jul 01, 2024

    Benjy Eisen talks about the wonderful book, Deal, he co-wrote with Bill Kreutzmann of the Grateful Dead. Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: PhanArt (Re-Release) Jun 27, 2024

    Phan Art Pete (Mason) created a vibrant art enterprise which has grown beyond the Phish community where it started. And that's just ONE thing he's doing…Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Phish Companion (Re-Release) Jun 26, 2024

    I speak with Phillip Zerbo, co-editor for the incredible Phish Companion Volume 3. Can 30 years fit into 900 pages? Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: RELIX (Re-Release) Jun 25, 2024

    Mike Greenhaus gives us an amazing perspective on how Relix magazine has been involved in and crucial to the jam scene since its inception. Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Runaway Gin (Re-Release) Jun 24, 2024

    RJ and I talk to Andy Greenberg, guitarist for Phish cover-band Runaway Gin. Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Trey Guitars 2 (Re-Release) Jun 20, 2024

    Trey Anastasio explains the magic of Paul Languedoc's guitars to me and Dan Kanter. Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Trey Guitars 1 (Re-Release) Jun 19, 2024

    Trey Anastasio shares years of guitar insights with me and Dan Kanter. Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Higher Thymes (Re-Release) Jun 18, 2024

    Jen Bernstein stops by to educate me about WEED. Yes, she does. Originally released in 2017.

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    Under the Scales: Dude of Life (Re-Release) Jun 17, 2024

    Steve Pollak, also known as THE DUDE OF LIFE, talks to me about the early days with Trey in Taft and brings us up to the present musically. Originally released in 2016.

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    Under the Scales: Phantasy Tour (Re-Release) Jun 13, 2024

    Paul Glace, founder of PhantasyTour.com, is featured. We discuss the site's origins and how it grew to the incredible Phish fan destination it is today. Originally released in 2016.

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    Under the Scales: Timer (Re-Release) Jun 12, 2024

    I interview David Steinberg, long-time Phish fan and the band's unofficial statistician. He's an author and extreme long-distance touring expert. He also times shows...and has the scars to prove it. Originally released in 2016.

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    Under the Scales: Tapers (Re-Release) Jun 11, 2024

    Co-hosts RJ and Jonathan and I take a DEEP DIVE into Tapers. Tapers are a huge part of Phish's history...but what are they? Who are they? Let's find out. Take a deep breath and jump in with us. Originally released in 2016.

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    Under the Scales: Riding the Rail (Re-Release) Jun 07, 2024

    Derek Gregory joins me in the studio to discuss his extensive experience with Phish...he likes it up close to the band. Real close. I try to figure out the hows and whys of "riding the rail" as it's called. Originally released in 2016.

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    Under the Scales: The Songwriting Weekend (Re-Release) Jun 06, 2024

    In 1997, Trey and I escaped for long weekends to write a lot of songs which eventually appeared on Phish albums and became part of Phish's live repertoire. This is the story of one of those weekends, and how it got off to a *horrifying* start. Trey listened to this and said "it's like the secret backstory for the song Twist" -- and it really is. Originally released in 2016.

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    An Announcement Jun 05, 2024

    We're happy to tell you that starting this week, we'll be re-releasing Under the Scales episodes, for you, for free! And in exchange, we'd like to ask you to support us for $5/month at OsirisPod.com/Premium.

    And stay tuned for all the great Under the Scales episodes, again.

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    Undermine Special Report: New Summer 2023 Songs Aug 28, 2023

    Today we bring you a special report, looking at the new songs played during Phish’s Summer 2023 Tour, with Tom sharing insights about some of the songs he wrote with Trey.


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    We've Got A Band E8: Mike Hanford Jul 19, 2023

    We're back with comedian, actor, and Phish fan Mike Hanford. Thanks for tuning in this season.

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    We've Got a Band E7: Dan Kanter, Part 2 Jul 12, 2023

    We're back with Dan Kanter! Hear James and Gabrielle talk with the guitarist about his Phish journey, meeting Trey, and more!

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    We've Got a Band E6: Dan Kanter, Part 1 Jul 06, 2023

    Dan Kanter, the musical director and former lead guitarist for Justin Bieber, is this week’s guest. Dan is best known for his work Bieber, but he’s also a songwriter, producer, and of course, a Phish fan.This is part 1 of James and Gabby’s conversation with Dan, and part 2 will be next week.


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    We've Got A Band E5: Scott Rogowsky Jun 28, 2023

    This week’s episode finds James and Gabby in conversation with the Quiz Daddy Scott Rogowsky. Scott talks about his fan journey, the rise and fall of HQ Trivia, and more.


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    We've Got A Band E4: Katy Tur and Jake Sherman Jun 21, 2023

    On this episode, we bring you two journalists and Phish fans, Katy Tur and Jake Sherman. They're well known for their Phish puns on the air, and they talk to James and Gabby about their Phish journeys, favorite venues, how those puns got started, and a lot more.

    We've Got A Band is presented by Section 119 and Osiris Media. Created by Gabrielle Bluestone and James Del. Executive Producers are Gabrielle Bluestone, James Del, RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Edited and Produced by RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Marketing by Nick Cejas and Eric Limarenko. Art by Mark Dowd.

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    We've Got A Band E3: Aron Ralston Jun 14, 2023

    This week, James and Gabrielle talk to mountaineer Aron Ralston, the subject of the movie 127 Hours. Aron talks about his experience as a Phish fan, including what he was listening to while he made the decision to amputate his own arm. He shares his spiritual journey with music, and tells stories of how he was able to meet Trey and other musicians after his accident propelled him to international fame.

    We've Got A Band is presented by Section 119 and Osiris Media. Created by Gabrielle Bluestone and James Del. Executive Producers are Gabrielle Bluestone, James Del, RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Edited and Produced by RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Marketing by Nick Cejas and Eric Limarenko. Art by Mark Dowd.

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    We've Got A Band E2: Austen Kroll Jun 07, 2023

    On episode 2, Gabrielle and James talk with Bravo star Austen Kroll, a big Phish fan who tells us about his show adventures, his favorite venues, fashion at Phish shows, and more.

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    We've Got A Band E1: Chris Witaske Jun 07, 2023

    We kick off the series with an interview with actor Chris Witaske (The Bear, Love, Second City). Hosts Gabrielle Bluestone and James Del talk to Chris about his Phish fandom, the Chicago "Harpua" and hanging with the band at Second City, a memorable trip to Alpine Valley, and a lot more.

    We've Got A Band is presented by Section 119 and Osiris Media. Created by Gabrielle Bluestone and James Del. Executive Producers are Gabrielle Bluestone, James Del, RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Edited and Produced by RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Marketing by Nick Cejas and Eric Limarenko. Art by Mark Dowd.

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    Introducing "We've Got A Band" May 30, 2023

    Today we're announcing "We’ve Got A Band," with journalists Gabrielle Bluestone and James Del talking with Phish’s most notable and influential fans—exploring these fans’ creative processes for finding their unique voice, building their own community, and swimming against the cultural current to build something special and everlasting, just like Phish. Season one of We've Got A Band will be released under the Underminebanner, as “Undermine Presents."


    Guests include “The Bear” actor Chris Witaske, Bravo star Austen Kroll, “127 Hours” mountaineer Aron Ralston, The Sloppy Boys’ Mike Hanford, journalists Katy Tur and Jake Sherman, comedian Scott Rogowsky, musician Dan Kanter, and others. The series is sponsored by Section 119, the home for authentic premium Phish, Grateful Dead and Jerry Garcia merchandise,


    We’ve Got A Band was created by Gabrielle Bluestone and James Del. Executive Producers are Gabrielle Bluestone, James Del, RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Edited and Produced by RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Art by Mark Dowd. Brought to you by Section 119 and Osiris Media.



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    S4E54: 4/5/98 May 12, 2023

    This is the end of the Island Tour! And finally, the end of season 4. If you wanna take off, take off, but we encourage you to stick around…for 4/5/98.


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    S4E53: 4/4/98 May 11, 2023

    We’ve switched islands, but don’t worry, we’re still talking Phish. Join us for this dive into 4/4/98.


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    S4E52: 4/3/98 May 10, 2023

    Today we keep the Island Tour rolling along, this time diving into the epic 4/3/98. If you haven’t seen it, here’s Amar Sastry’s Anatomy of a Jam video on the Roses Are Free.


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    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, and Benjy Eisen. Edited by Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.


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    S4E51: 4/2/98 May 09, 2023

    Is it still 1997? Depends on who you ask. Today we’re getting back to the end of season 4 and talking in depth about the Island Tour. Four episodes, starting today with 4/2/98. Thanks for coming back.


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    S4E50: 12/31/97 Apr 13, 2023

    New York, New York! We cap off the New Year’s 97 run with a look at 12/31/97, an extended discussion about encores, and a look forward to 1998. Thanks for tuning in.


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    S4E49: 12/30/97 Apr 12, 2023

    An udder ball, Hannibal Lecter, an outrageous jam (or many), and a lot more. Welcome to 12/30/97.


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    S4E48: 12/29/97 Apr 11, 2023

    The bus has arrived in the Big Apple, and we’re ready to tackle 12/29/97. Enjoy.


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    S4E47: 12/28/97 Apr 10, 2023

    We’re back! Picking up where we left off, we’re going to be releasing episodes on all 4 New Year’s run ‘97 shows, and then we’ll bring you episodes on the Island Tour after Phish’s Spring 2023 tour.


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    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, and Benjy Eisen. Edited by Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.


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    Tribute to Phish Fall '97: Live Music at Ardmore! Dec 15, 2022

    On 12/11/22, Osiris this season celebrating Fall '97 to life—with a night of conversation and music. Here, you'll hear set of music in tribute to Fall '97, featuring Cal Kehoe (Pink Talking Fish), Chris Deangelis (The Machine / Kung Fu), Adrian Tramantano (Twiddle / Kung Fu), Jeremy Kaplan (Dogs In A Pile), Andrew Pfeiffer (FeelFree), and Daniel Keller. The setlist is below.


    Halley's Comet > Tweezer > Izabella, Tube, Wolfman’s Brother > Boogie On Reggae Woman, Ghost, Johnny B. Goode > Jam


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    S4E46: 12/13/97 — John Kasiewicz Dec 13, 2022

    To cap off the last night of Albany, 12/13/97, we have someone who played that night—John Kasiewicz of J. Willis Pratt and We’re Bionic. They opened for Phish that night, and John talks about their show, and the amazing Phish show that follows.


    A few things to check out: a documentary about Willis and his longtime friendship with Jon Fishman, some audio from the opening set on 12/13/97, and the first band gig with Fishman post-Albany ‘97, from 4/29/98. Finally, the Relix article with Fishman recounting the Kiss experience.


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    S4E45: 12/12/97 — Scott Bernstein Dec 12, 2022

    We have arrived in Albany for the last couple nights of the tour, and we’re grateful to Scott Bernstein of JamBase to talk to us about 12/12/97.


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    S4E44: 12/11/97 — Jesse Jarnow Dec 11, 2022

    Rochester! Writer and podcaster Jesse Jarnow joins us to talk about this legendary show on 12/11/97.


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    S4E43: 12/9/97 — Benjy Eisen Dec 09, 2022

    As we head toward the Northeast for the final leg of the tour, we talk with Benjy and RJ, who were both at the show, about how University Park on 12/9/97 stacks up.


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    S4E42: 12/7/97 — Andy Gadiel Dec 07, 2022

    We’re heading to Dayton to talk 12/7/97 with Andy Gadiel!


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    S4E41: 12/6/97 — Ryan Stasik Dec 06, 2022

    Today we’re thrilled to be talking about 12/6/97 with Ryan Stasik of Umphrey’s McGee.


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    S4E40: 12/5/97 — RJ Bee Dec 05, 2022

    The guest today for the 12/5/97 show from Cleveland is our very own RJ Bee.


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    S4E39: 12/3/97 - Brad Serling Dec 03, 2022

    Our guest today is Nugs.net founder and CEO Brad Serling. Brad chats with Tom and Benjy about seeing Phish in the early 90s as a Grateful Dead fan, his voyage from taper to a career in live music, and of course the amazing show on 12/3/97 at The Spectrum in Philly.


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    S4E38: 12/2/97 — Marc Brownstein Dec 02, 2022

    Today we have a conversation with Marc Brownstein of The Disco Biscuits, who talks about the Philadelphia show on 12/2/97, and a whole lot more about his band, Phish, and the 90s.


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    Smartwool Presents—Phish Comfort Songs Pt. 2 Dec 01, 2022

    In this bonus episode, presented by Smartwool, Tom, Benjy, and RJ share another one of their favorite Phish comfort songs. This episode is presented by Smartwool—check out the limited-edition Smartwool x Grateful Dead collection here.

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    Smartwool Presents—Phish Comfort Songs Pt. 1 Nov 30, 2022

    In this bonus episode, presented by Smartwool, Tom, Benjy, and RJ share one of their favorite Phish comfort songs. This episode is presented by Smartwool—check out the limited-edition Smartwool x Grateful Dead collection here.

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    S4E37: 11/30/97 — Carla Ngo Nov 30, 2022

    We wrap up the Worcester run by focusing on the last night, 11/30/97, with guest Carla Ngo.


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    Smartwool Presents—We Need Wool! Nov 29, 2022

    In this bonus episode, presented by Smartwool, Tom, Benjy, and RJ talk about Phish shows when they were most in need of wool. This episode is presented by Smartwool—check out the limited-edition Smartwool x Grateful Dead collection here.

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    S4E36: 11/29/97 — Jeremy D. Goodwin Nov 29, 2022

    We are on to the weird and wild second night of Worcester, 11/29/97, with our guest Jeremy D. Goodwin.


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    Smartwool Presents - Great Outdoor Venues Nov 28, 2022

    This bonus episode features a discussion about the best outdoor venues to see Phish play. Tom, RJ, and Benjy debate their personal favorites and the merit of music in parking lots.


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    S4E35: 11/28/97 — David Goldstein Nov 28, 2022

    We have David Goldstein as our guest to talk about the first night of Worcester, 11/28/97.


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    S4E34: 11/26/97 — Scott Marks Nov 26, 2022

    We have Scott Marks back again to talk with us about his first show, 11/26/97.


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    S4E33: 11/23/97 — Brian Brinkman Nov 23, 2022



    Never miss a Sunday show, especially during the Fall ‘97 tour. Today we talk with Brian Brinkman about 11/23/97.


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    S4E32: 11/22/97 — Scott Bernstein Nov 22, 2022

    Today we’re joined by Scott Bernstein of JamBase to talk about 11/22/97 from Hampton.


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    Bonus! 11/19/97 with Joel Cummins Nov 21, 2022

    In a special bonus episode, Joel Cummins of Umphrey's McGee talks with Benjy about his experience at the Phish show on 11/19/97 and how it influenced his decision to become a professional musician.


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    S4E31: 11/21/97 — Craig Hillwig Nov 21, 2022

    It’s on to Phish’s first two-night stand at the mothership. We talk with guest Craig Hillwig about 11/21/97 in Hampton.


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    S4E30: 11/19/97 — Andy Kahn Nov 19, 2022

    We’re in Champaign for 11/19/97, with Andy Kahn of JamBase.


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    S4E29: 11/17/97 — Trey Anastasio Nov 17, 2022

    For one of the best shows of Fall ‘97, we could only have one person revisit it with us. Trey joins us to talk about 11/17/97, memories of the tour, and what led to this different musical style.


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    S4E28: 11/16/97 — Scott Galbraith Nov 16, 2022

    It’s the first night of Denver, 11/16/97, and we’re joined by guest Scott Galbraith.


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    S4E27: 11/14/97 — Dom Deluca Nov 14, 2022

    We’re on to Salt Lake City for the second show of the tour, 11/14/97, joined by guest Dom Deluca.


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    S4E26: 11/13/97 — Drew Hitz + Charlie Dirksen Nov 13, 2022

    We’ve finally arrived in Las Vegas for the kickoff of Fall ‘97. Drew Hitz and Charlie Dirsken join us to recap the tour opener, 11/13/97.


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    S4E25: 8/16/97 + 8/17/97 — Jim Pollock Nov 11, 2022

    Today we’re joined by Jim Pollock to talk about The Great Went. We dive into 8/16/97 and 8/17/97 and talk about Jim’s work with the band.


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    S4E24: 8/10/97 — Rob Mitchum Nov 11, 2022

    We’re back, EXACTLY 15 minutes since our last episode. Rob Mitchum joins us to talk about 8/10/97 at Deer Creek. Here’s Rob’s 25th anniversary blog post on the show. Here’s Marc Allan’s review of this show, and Trey reading it in Bittersweet Motel. Lastly, here’s Marc Allan’s interview with Trey from 1993.


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    S4E23: 7/1/97 +7/2/97 — Scott Marks Nov 09, 2022

    We’re on the back of the worm! We’re with Scott Marks to discuss the 7/1/97 and 7/2/97 shows from Amsterdam.


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    S4E22: 3/1/97 — Brad Sands Nov 07, 2022

    Former Phish Road Manager Brad Sands joins us once again to talk about the 3/1/97 show, the basis for the album Slip, Stitch And Pass. Tom and Brad share Europe tour stories and talk about this era of the band’s music.


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    S4E21: 2/17/97 — Brian Brinkman Nov 04, 2022

    We have arrived in 1997, and we’re hitting the Paradiso in Amsterdam to talk about 2/17/97, a night marked mostly by a huge debut, and the debut of a new musical direction. We discuss this all with Undermine co-Executive Producer Brian Brinkman.


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    S4E20: 12/6/96 — Richard Gehr Nov 02, 2022

    Viva Las Vegas! Today we’re talking about the rare show where the encore is the most talked about segment of the show. That’s 12/6/96, under the bright lights, with journalist and author of The Phish Book, Richard Gehr.


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    S4E19: 10/31/96 — Gerald Gottesman Oct 31, 2022

    How do I work this? Where is that large automobile? Maybe this is my beautiful house…We are celebrating 10/31/96 and the masterful cover set of Remain In Light, with guest Gerald Gottesman.


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    S4E18: 8/16-17/96 — Lars Fisk Oct 28, 2022

    Today we step into the creation of The Clifford Ball, with one of the people responsible for bringing it to life, Lars Fisk.


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    S4E17: 12/31/95 — Drew Hitz Oct 26, 2022

    On today’s episode, Drew Hitz joins us in the Gamehendge Time Laboratory, to revisit what many people think is the greatest Phish show of all time—12/31/95. We’re grateful to Drew for joining us for this three-set show that is so revered.


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    S4E16: 12/14/95 — David Steinberg Oct 24, 2022

    We’re continuing our drive through 1995 with a stop in Binghamton, on a snowy night in December. David Steinberg (aka zzyzx) joins us to discuss 12/14/95, a show that at least one of our hosts describes as “nearly perfect.“


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    S4E15: 12/1/95 — Benjy Eisen Oct 21, 2022

    Today we’re visiting the land of chocolate, with our very own co-host, Benjy Eisen. It’s 12/1/95— philosophy, science, religion, and of course, chocolate.


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    S4E14: 11/14/95 — Ari Fink Oct 19, 2022

    Crab in my shoe mouth. We’re in Orlando, Florida, it’s November 1995. Ari Fink helps us dive into the adventurous 11/14/95 show.


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    S4E13: 6/22/95 — Lenny Stubbe Oct 17, 2022

    Step into the Fleezer! We’re visiting the wild and strange and confounding music of Summer ‘95, focusing on 6/22/95 with longtime taper and fan Lenny Stubbe.


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    S4E12: 12/29/94 — Jonathan Hart Oct 14, 2022

    We’re joined by Undermine and Osiris team member Jonathan Hart to discuss THE Providence Bowie, from 12/29/94. In addition to breaking down this legendary jam, we look at Phish at the end of 1994 and where this show falls in that trajectory.


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    S4E11: 10/31/94 - Aaron Stein Oct 12, 2022

    For this episode, we find ourselves at the first Phish musical costume Halloween, of course that’s 10/31/94. Our guest Aaron Stein joins us to discuss that wild night in Glens Falls, how it stacks up with other Halloweens, and more.


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    S4E10: 6/22/94 — Scott Gray Oct 10, 2022

    Today we go to Columbus for the amazing 6/22/94 show, with a person who not only was there, but who describes it as one of the two most important days of his life (aside from his birth). Scott Gray enlightens us on this life-changing experience, and some insight into why Trey was talking about tall people during Icculus.


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    S4E9: 5/7/94 — Dean Budnick Oct 07, 2022

    The birth of the “Tweezerfest,” we dive into 5/7/94 with Relix editor-in-chief, author, and friend Dean Budnick.


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    S4E8: 12/31/93 — Benjy Eisen Oct 05, 2022

    Happy New Year! It’s 12/31/93, and we’re gathered inside the aquarium for the celebration with our co-Executive Producer and friend Benjy Eisen, who is our special guest.


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    S4E7: 8/13/93 - Charlie Dirksen and Brian Feller Oct 03, 2022

    Today we are looking at a pivotal show in Phish's history, 8/13/93 from the Murat Theater in Indianapolis. This show features the legendary version of "Bathtub Gin" which is seen as a turning point in the band's ability to jam outside of the structure of their compositions. Charlie Dirksen and Brian Feller, two longtime fans and board members of The Mockingbird Foundation, join us to talk about the magical month of August 1993.


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    S4E6: 5/8/93 — Brad Sands Sep 30, 2022

    Today we stop in New Hampshire and dive into 5/8/93, which finds Phish at the end of the Spring 1993 tour. We’re joined by Brad Sands, Phish’s former road manager, who talks about the momentum in 1993, and how this show in Durham served as a homecoming for the band after a long time on the road. And it showed in the music, which we discussed with Brad in detail.


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    S4E5: 2/20/93 — Josh Carver Sep 28, 2022

    Today we’re rolling into 1993 with our guest Josh Carver, a longtime Osiris guest and listener. We talk with Josh about The Roxy show from 2/20/93. Josh actually missed this show, but he was at the Roxy shows before and after this infamous night. We all know that feeling.


    This show was another pivotal moment in Phish’s progression, and the show became legendary almost immediately. We hope you enjoy our first stop in 1993.


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    S4E4: 7/25/92 — Shelly Culbertson Sep 26, 2022

    In this episode, we keep moving through 1992 and look at one of the most notable shows of the early years—7/25/92, which has an incredible guest appearance by Carlos Santana and his percussionists.


    Our guest for this episode is Shelly Culbertson, who worked with former manager John Paluska and Dionysian Productions. Shelly was involved with the early online Phish community, and was the driving force behind Phish Tickets By Mail (PTBM). We talk with Shelly about the growth Phish experienced in these years, and how this tour opening for Santana poured more fuel on the fire for the band’s growth. The Santana sit-in on You Enjoy Myself is must-hear, but the whole set is essential early Phish.


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    S4E3: 4/21/92 — Holly Bowling Sep 23, 2022

    As the next step in our journey through key shows of the ‘90s, we stop in Eureka, California, and check in with a fellow Californian about this show—Holly Bowling. We focus on 4/21/92, a show that has an ahead-of-its-time Tweezer, which served as an inspiration for one of Holly’s famous jam transcriptions.


    We heard in previous episodes about this Spring ‘92 run, which featured Phish’s first extended trip in front of West Coast fans. We talk with Holly about these shows, and about Tweezer, and of course, about her approach to interpreting some of these legendary pieces of improvisation.


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    S4E2: 8/3/91 — Amy Skelton Sep 21, 2022

    Welcome back! As a reminder, from now through December, we’ll be tracking Phish’s progression in the 1990s by focusing on 25 important shows of the 90s—leading up to the tour that changed everything, Fall 1997. And we’ll discuss every show of Fall ‘97.


    Today we’re talking about Amy’s Farm, 8/3/91, with the one and only Amy Skelton. Amy talks to us about her involvement with the band and the show that she hosted, which really was Phish’s first festival. These tapes were ubiquitous in the trading days. In the episode, we talk about the musical highlights and the importance of this gig at this point in the band’s career.


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    S4E1: 11/2/90 — John Paluska Sep 19, 2022

    Welcome to Undermine Season 4! We are back to track the road to Fall ‘97, and to celebrate amazing shows of the 1990s while leading up to that legendary tour. From now through December, we’ll be tracking Phish’s progression in the 1990s by focusing on 25 important shows of the 90’s—leading up to the tour that changed everything, Fall 1997, and we’ll discuss EVERY show of that tour.


    We start this season with 11/2/90, from Boulder, Colorado, with guest John Paluska. This show is notable because of course, this is Phish’s second trip to Colorado. In 1990, they would play 20 shows there. This show was a widely circulated tape, with some notable music moments we’ll discuss. And of course, John Paluska was Phish’s manager from 1990-2004, and helped the band grow in every way during the 1990s.


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    S3E5: Hoist The Banner May 25, 2022


    At the end of the 13 show Baker’s Dozen, a run filled with jams, bustouts, debut covers, and zero repeats, Phish was awarded a banner to commemorate the event that would hang in the rafters of MSG among legendary sports achievements. And yet, like with the best moments in Phish history, the band didn’t simply sit back and admire their accomplishment, they used it to push themselves forward. Just as the Dick’s 2012 run inspired a return to jamming and setlist deconstruction, all of which built towards The Baker’s Dozen, the BD in turn has inspired Phish over the past five years to push through musical barriers, furthering their improvisational capabilities & pushing their music in ways no one thought possible.


    In the Season Finale of Undermine S3 we assess what The Baker’s Dozen meant & how it inspired Phish to attack 2018 and 2019, while also laying the groundwork for one of the best years of their career - 2021. In conversations with fans and Phish thinkers alike, we explore the songwriting explosion that came out of The Baker’s Dozen, and the renewed approach to show structure now that they’d seen how impactful their jamming could be within a show.


    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brain Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. It is written by Benjy Eisen. Production assistance from Rob Mitchum, Matt Bavuso, Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all our interviewees. We’ll see you next season.


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    S3E4: Jam Filled May 18, 2022

    When they returned from the hiatus in 2009, it took time for the band to regain their fluid improvisation. Over the next four years, they worked to strengthen their onstage communication, refine their approach, and ultimately reignite their jamming in 2012. From there, they began experimenting and taking risks, and by the time they reached The Baker’s Dozen, they were ready to take another step forward in their improvisation—dedicating three weeks to deep jamming. Since this run, jamming has become a focus of Phish’s live shows, pushing the band forward creatively in ways many never expected.


    In this episode, we dive into the band’s approach to improvisation, with a specific focus on their evolution from Dick’s 2012 through The Baker’s Dozen. Identifying key breakthroughs, stylistic shifts, and the resulting brilliance of the Summer 2017, we discuss The Baker’s Dozen as an achievement as well as a laboratory to propel the band forward. Through discussions with music experts and fans, we celebrate the jams of The Baker’s Dozen and explore how they ushered in the next phase of Phish’s career.


    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brain Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. It is written by Benjy Eisen. Production assistance from Rob Mitchum, Matt Bavuso, Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Episode Four pic by Andrea Nusinov. Thank you to all our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.


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    S3E3: Setlists May 11, 2022

    For as long as Phish fans have gathered to discuss and debate the band, the band’s setlists have been a consistent talking point. What songs are in the rotation, how do jams in typically non-jamming slots affect a show, why were there so many bustouts in a single show, what’s the thematic arc of the show? These topics and more have been analyzed by fans for decades—and we know it’s been thought about extensively by the band as well. By way of The Baker’s Dozen, Phish coalesced nearly 40 years of setlisting experimentations into a single run.


    In Undermine S3E3 we dive into the evolution of Phish setlists. Beginning with 1993’s expanding catalog and 1994’s irreverent experimentation, we walk listeners through the band’s approach to crafting setlists based on the muse of the time. We discuss the approach to setlisting that separated the 3.0 era by way of 2012, and how comfortable and confident the band felt playing 13 shows with zero repeats by 2017. Beginning with a snapshot of Federal Donuts, we dive into one of the most unique aspects of The Baker’s Dozen—the songs Phish played.


    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brain Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. It is written by Benjy Eisen. Production assistance from Rob Mitchum, Matt Bavuso, Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.


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    S3E2: The Long Gig May 04, 2022

    Throughout their history, Phish has constantly sought new ways to break down the barriers between their performance and their audience. Dubbed, The Long Gig (the LG), the band initially conceived of an indoor show where they’d announce to the audience that the doors were locking and they were going to play for 24hrs straight. This idea ultimately evolved into the band’s all-night set at Big Cypress on 12/31/99, and served as an inspiration for The Baker’s Dozen seventeen years later.


    In Undermine S3E2 we explore the concept of residencies in rock music, as well as in New York City, while diving into the evolving structure of a Phish tour which sought to create as immersive an experience as possible for fans. Focusing on the organizational approach to Big Cypress, we highlight the logistics of putting on such an event and how this impacted the band’s decision to set up shop in New York City for three weeks. We close by hearing from the 13er club as they chart through their experiences between the January 2017 announcement of The Baker’s Dozen to the journey of 13 straight Phish shows. The gig is long, but the jams - as we’ll discuss in a later episode - were worth it.


    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brain Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. It is written by Benjy Eisen. Production assistance from Rob Mitchum, Matt Bavuso, Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.


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    S3E1: MSG Apr 27, 2022


    In the Summer of 2017 Phish settled into Madison Square Garden, “The World’s Most Famous Arena,” for a residency of 13 shows, immortalized as The Baker’s Dozen. Across nearly three weekends and four weekday gigs, Phish played 230+ songs without repeating a single one. They fused jokes from their past with music that looked ahead to their future, and connected with the fan community in a way they’d long hoped to. It was a historic run—not only for the band, but in rock history.


    In the first episode of the season, Phish lyricist Tom Marshall walks listeners through the history of Madison Square Garden, as well as Phish’s history in that room. Highlighting the importance of the venue to 20th Century American Culture, as well as the comfort Phish had playing in such a historic room, we set the table for our third season on the band’s home court. We hear from journalists such as Will Hermes and Rob Mitchum, as well as fans who got to all 13 nights of the run such as Dianna Hank and Sam Timberg.


    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brain Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. It is written by Benjy Eisen. Production assistance from Rob Mitchum, Matt Bavuso, Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.


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    Introducing | Sugar Maple Mar 24, 2022

    Hey there, Undermine fans! Please enjoy the first episode of our new fiction podcast: Sugar Maple. If you like what you hear, be sure to subscribe to see where the story goes!


    In the series premiere, we meet our narrator, Terrance Woodridge, who brings us a tale he’s chased down: the story of Sugar Maple, the guitar of legend with a timeless sound that's passed from hand to hand over the years.


    In this episode, we go back to 1951 and hear the story of "Sweet Licks" Bobby Lindro, an orphan from the farmlands outside Chicago. When his brand new Telecaster’s neck is destroyed, he's sure nothing can replace it, until his Aunt procures mysterious wood that seems to make Bobby's guitar truly sing, and gives Bobby dreams that carry him places he never meant to go.


    Sugar Maple is presented by Osiris Media. Be sure to listen to the premiere of the song from this episode, Brimstone Lampfire, on March 15, wherever you listen to music. Please check out the limited edition poster for this episode, and the limited NFT release of episode and series art. If you like what you hear, please give us a review wherever you listen to your podcasts.


    Episode 1 stars Fred Savage as Terrance Woodrige, pRicky Gee as Bobby Lindro, Connie Castanzo as Becky, Jo Walker as Rebecca Woodridge, Deborah Geffner as Aunt Buggy, Daniel Light as Del Faucet, and Michelle Hurst as Doc.


    Brimstone Lampfire was written by Patrick Hart and Michael John Hancock.


    The Executive Producers of Sugar Maple are Tom Marshall and RJ Bee. Produced, Edited, Mixed and Mastered by Brad Stratton. Story by Ben Colmery, A.R. Moxon, and Tom Marshall. Episode 1 written by A.R. Moxon and Ben Colmery. Directed by James Masciovecchio. Musical direction by Don Hart. Produced by Tom Sullivan. Production assistance from Zach Brogan and Christina Collins. Art by Mark Dowd. Legal assistance from Gerald Gottesman.



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    S2E10: You're Already There Nov 24, 2021

    At the onset of the 2020s, Trey Anastasio got stuck on a platform high above MSG. While he played through with humor and grace, the moment would serve as the prelude to a year where we all felt unhinged. For those who were infected by Covid, or lost loved ones, 2020 was a nightmare. For everyone, it was an unexpected pause, marked by tension and a longing for normalcy.


    In the Season 2 finale, we explore the last two years, through the lens of Phish. We hear from the Undermine team about our experiences in 2020, how Dinner And A Movie and The Beacon Jams helped us get through the year at home, and then we shift gears to discuss Phish in 2021. We talk about the anxiety of returning to live music, the thrill of hearing the first notes, and how Sci-Fi Soldiers may impact Phish long term. The band gave us a number of unexpected, albeit needed, gifts over the previous two years, proving once again, that if we as a community, simply surrender to the flow, the magic of Phish will prove that you’re already *there*.


    Thanks to everyone who has listened, commented, and shared Season 2! We will be back in Spring 2022 with Season 3!


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    S2E9: Phish Without Borders Nov 17, 2021

    To this point, Season 2 of Undermine has mirrored the fan experience with Phish—traveling to see them, engaging with the community, and trying to understand why we dedicate so much time, energy and money to this band. But what happens if you fall in love with Phish but have no ability to see them live or to engage with the community in person? What does the band mean to you if they’re 10,000 miles away?


    In this episode, we meet Phish fans from around the world. Some are foreign nationals who discovered the band via the internet but have had limited opportunities to see the band. Others are Americans who either went to live abroad, or chased the band overseas because they couldn’t get enough. Featuring interviews with Lee Farber, Mark Lewis, Jason Tully, Dylan Behan and more, we explore the global reach of Phish to better understand the total power of their music.


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    S2E8: Set II Nov 10, 2021

    Beyond the tape trading, the road trips, the lot vibe, the people you meet, the lights dropping, etc, the reason we all come back to Phish is for the music. Why do people throw everything they have into this band? Why are we podcasting about them in 2021? Why are we trying to decipher all of their inside jokes? Why are we debating and relisting to jams decades after they happened?


    In this episode we explore these questions and more. Focusing on the world Phish has built through their music, we hear from die hard fans who break down the why behind their Phish fandom. Featuring interviews with Dave Calarco, Carla Ngo, Scott Bernstein, Pu Tzu and more, this episode looks at the extreme in-joke nature of the Phish fan experience and tries to better understand why we simple cannot get enough of this crazy band.


    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees.


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    S2E7: Setbreak Nov 03, 2021

    And after all that, we go collect our thoughts and go back to waiting again for 15 minutes (they always promise it’ll be 15 minutes!). Setbreak is the time to get a grip back on reality, connect with neighbors, meet people, take a stroll, grab a bite, you name it. It’s the in between. Something has happened, and something more will happen, but for now, we wait once again.


    In this episode, we explore what happens at setbreak while checking in with fans to learn more about the spiritual nature of a Phish show and to understand perspectives from using psychedelics to remaining sober at a show. We meet Jake Cohen and Rabbi Jessy Dressin, while hearing from Vic Vela, Paige Clem and more.


    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees.


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    S2E6: Lights Oct 13, 2021

    The anticipation has been building for hours, months...maybe even years. So many hours spent listening to shows, so much planning just to get you into the venue and in your spot for the moment we all wait for: when the lights finally drop. It’s a moment of ecstasy for many, a relief for others, and the beginning of the journey into the unknown of that night’s show for all of us in attendance.


    In this episode, we explore the routines and stories from the community—hearing about what many of us do to ensure we’re exactly where we need to be to get the most out of each show. We also further explore our diverse community. We meet the rail riders, as well as activists who are doing all they can to ensure the safety of all fans at a show. Featuring stories from Lacy Boughn, Ashley Griffin, Dave Calarco, Ashley Driscoll of GrooveSafe, and more, we further explore why the Phish scene continues to evolve, and how we can be a kinder, more respectful community.


    We’re going to take an extended set break while we all enjoy Phish’s Fall Tour. We’ll be back on Wednesday, November 3!


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    Introducing | Breaking Waves: Seattle Oct 08, 2021

    Breaking Waves: Seattle is the story of the scene that defined rock in the ‘90s. The show traces the roots of grunge, and details the rise and fall of the Seattle scene, and concludes with a look forward, examining the legacy of grunge and highlighting the current and emerging artists who will create Seattle’s next breaking wave. Produced for Audacy by Osiris Media.

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    S2E5: Doors Oct 06, 2021

    There’s that moment at every Phish show where we transition from the bliss of the pre-show party to the business at hand of the show itself. We walk in, get our seats, gaze at the stage, and realize how many of us there are to see this incredible band. With this comes the realization that we’re amongst a wide and disparate tribe of people chasing the same thing, oftentimes from different starting points.


    In this episode, we explore those different starting points and the diverse group of fans that make up the Phish fan base. We hear about the challenges some fans face when feeling included in the scene, the obstacles many overcome just to experience a show, and ask some serious questions about who we are as a fanbase. Featuring stories from Malcolm Howard, Shaunea Robinson, Laura Keating, Stephanie Jenkins, and more, we highlight just how many people Phish has attracted, while showcasing ways that we can become a more unified and equal fanbase.


    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We'll see you next week!


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    S2E4: The Lot Sep 29, 2021

    At first blush, hanging out in a parking lot doesn’t sound that fun. But the Phish parking lot experience is completely different—part bazaar, part sprawling tailgating party, it’s a place for people to meet, hang out, exchange money for goods, and start the good times before a concert.


    In this episode, we stroll through the lot, conversing with vendors and artists alike, and hear from a few musicians about how Phish inspired their own creativity. Featuring stories from AJ Masthay, Dean Budnick, Joel Cummins, Holly Bowling, and more, we dive deep into the world of the lot, to learn more about why so many of us show up to a Phish venue hours before the concert even begins.


    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We'll see you next week!


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    S2E3: Load In Sep 22, 2021

    When we think of the Phish community, we usually think about the obsessive, or at the very least, passionate, fans. However, behind the scenes, in every venue Phish plays in, there’s a community that works together to make sure that the show goes on—safely, smoothly, and in the most enjoyable way possible.


    In this episode, we hear from the crew, the bartenders, the ushers, and so many more, as they walk us through the load in and load out process before and after every Phish show. Featuring stories from Chris

    Kuroda, Brad Sands, Beth Montouri Rowles, and more, we dive deep into the world behind the stage, to learn about the community that makes Phish shows happen.


    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We'll see you next week!


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    S2E2: Let's Go On Tour Sep 15, 2021

    While many Phish fans in the early 90s discovered Phish by way of message boards and tape trades, the band solidified their status as one of the most important bands of the era through their unpredictable and thrilling live shows—and when you just had to hear, or see, the tour to understand the full story.


    In this episode, we hear about adventures on tour, and explore why “going on tour” is an essential element of the Phish community. We hear stories from fans like Drew Hitz, Chris Glushko, Gina Schmidt, and Laura Keating, while also exploring the nature of Phish criticism from fans like Dave Calarco, Steven Hyden and Rob Mitchum.


    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We'll see you next week!


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    S2E1: Hey, Check Out This Band Sep 08, 2021

    In the early days of the internet, college kids from around the country began to congregate online to discuss Phish and trade information and live show tapes. Evolving alongside the internet itself, the community helped the band reach new fans, expand their sound and reach a level of success which few could have foreseen in the 1980s.


    In the first episode of Undermine Season Two, Phish lyricist Tom Marshall walks listeners through the evolution of tape trading and the digital dialogue around Phish in the 1990s. We hear how this community grew, with insight from people like Charlie Dirksen, Shelly Culbertson, Michael Lazerow and Stephanie Jenkins, while hearing from a lot of fans who were part of the early Phish scene.


    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We'll see you next week!


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    Undermine Season 2: The Community - Trailer Aug 18, 2021

    Undermine is the definitive Phish podcast. In Season 2 we'll turn our focus to YOU, the Community. We've interviewed over 100 Phish fans to get to the heart of what's shaped this community, how it originated, how it's evolved, what issues persist, and how it's communicated with each other over the the last 30 years. In addition, we'll explore how Phish impacted the lives of their fans during 2020 & now, as live shows have returned.


    Undermine Season 2 will premier on Wednesday, September 8.


    Presented by Osiris Media.


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    HF Pod On Tour! Jul 28, 2021

    Phish tour is back, and so is the Helping Friendly Podcast! HF Pod On Tour will feature live video Quick Hits at 1pm the day after every show—on Osiris Media's Instagram, Twitter, Facebook and YouTube channels.


    We'll also have podcast episodes every Tuesday with a rundown of the tour thus far. Featuring great conversation, fans who were at the shows, and lots of laughs and music. Subscribe to the Helping Friendly Podcast wherever you get your podcasts.


    We'll also be doing a very special event around Dick's, and an amazing contest that will be announced soon. HF Pod On Tour is presented by Shift Cannabis.


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    Cluster Flies from JamBase Apr 29, 2021

    We have a special episode for you today, looking in depth at JamBase's Cluster Flies, the covers compilation reimagining Phish’s album Farmhouse. The limited-edition 3LP release was mastered by engineer Joe Lambert and features custom artwork and a poster created by longtime Phish collaborator Jim Pollock. You can pre-order the LP and Pollock poster here through Monday, May 3, or pre-order the digital version, which will be released on Friday, April 30.


    This episode includes an interview with JamBase CEO Dave Onigman, conducted by Dave and Brian from the Undermine team. We also have a song recommendation from Cluster Flies from each member of the Undermine team. We hope you enjoy this amazing compilation.


    These Phish covers were recorded by Umphrey’s McGee’s Brendan Bayliss, Club d’Elf, Daniel Donato, Chris Forsyth, Neal Francis, Jennifer Hartswick, Amy Helm, Lindsay Lou, Reed Mathis, White Denim’s James Petralli, Strand Of Oaks, Sylvan Esso, William Tyler, Sadler Vaden, Vetiver, Ryley Walker, and a supergroup led by Tim Palmieri (which includes our very own Amar Sastry).


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    TEASER: Alive Again Apr 14, 2021

    Alive Again is a limited series podcast exploring the solo career of Trey Anastasio.


    Based on extensive interviews with Trey and his bandmates and collaborators, Alive Again will dive into evolution of Trey’s songwriting and creative development, as well as the enduring career of the Trey Anastasio Band.


    The show will also cover Trey’s memories composing with Ernie Stires, his orchestral work, and his Broadway experience. The band’s experience with The Beacon Jams will be explored as well.


    Coming this Summer. Visit https://www.osirispod.com/podcasts/alive-again/ for more info and to sign up for our email newsletter.


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    Building The Community Apr 07, 2021

    On the season finale of Undermine, we hear from fans who saw Phish in the 1980s, and hear their perspectives on the band’s development as they grew from a college bar band into a regional phenomenon. In addition, we hear how tape trading first entered the Phish community, and how it fueled the band's growth. Finally, we speak to Paul Languedoc, Phish’s longtime sound engineer and Trey’s guitar maker. We hear about his life and career, how he came to work for Phish, and the band's progression toward the 1990s.


    Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company.


    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Writing and production assistance by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance by Christina Collins, Nick Cejas and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you this summer for Season Two.


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    The Moment of Inspiration Mar 31, 2021

    This week, we take a step back to examine Phish’s November 23, 1985 show at Goddard College, with a specific focus on the 27-min Whipping Post. During this show, Mike Gordon had an epiphany & decided he wanted to pursue music for the rest of his life. The jam in question shares a lot in common with early jamming from The Grateful Dead. We explore Phish’s relationship to The Dead, and focus comparing the two band’s during their formative years as well as looking at where The Dead was when Phish was originating.


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    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Writing and production assistance by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance by Christina Collins, Nick Cejas and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.


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    Paradise Found Mar 24, 2021

    This week, we look at Phish’s legendary show from the Paradise Rock Club, in Boston, on January 26, 1989. In yet another example of Phish refusing to play by the rules set by mainstream music, the band rented out the room and sold tickets against it. We hear from one of the guys who was involved in helping to sell out the show, and we talk about the band’s forays into Boston and New York in 1989.


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    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Writing and production assistance by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance by Nick Cejas, Christina Collins and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.


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    Junta Mar 17, 2021

    In this episode of Undermine, Phish lyricist Tom Marshall guides us through the making and release of Junta, Phish’s first official debut album. Interviews with Junta audio engineer, Gordon Hookailo, Junta cover-artist Jim Pollock, Phish’s first manager Ben Hunter and others who remember this pivotal time in Phish history.


    Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company.


    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Writing and production assistance by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance by Christina Collins, Nick Cejas and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.


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    Westward Expansion and Improvisation Mar 10, 2021

    This week, we go Westward, to explore Phish’s trip to Colorado in 1988 in more detail, and to dive into the Mike’s Song from August 3, 1988. Dave and Brian also talk about King Crimson and Genesis, and the way those bands influenced Phish.


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    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Writing and production assistance by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance by Christina Collins and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.


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    The Man Who Stepped Into Yesterday Mar 03, 2021

    How did a college project about the mythical land of Gamehendge become one of the most intriguing pieces of Phish lore? And how did The Man Who Stepped Into Yesterday fit into the evolution of Phish in the important years of 1987 and 1988?


    In this episode of Undermine, RJ, Matt, Jonathan and Brad discuss Phish in 1987 and 1988, including how the band’s sound changed as they solidified into the four-piece they are today, how new songs changed their playing and approach to the live shows, the importance of The Man Who Stepped Into Yesterday, and how an excursion to Colorado in 1988 affected the band’s development.


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    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Writing and production assistance by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance by Christina Collins and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.



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    The Early Compositions Feb 24, 2021

    Core to the music of Phish are complex, evolving, emotionally moving compositions. Many of these early songs—Divided Sky, You Enjoy Myself, Foam, and others—remain highlights of the live experience. These songs created early in Phish’s career have stood the test of time, but what makes them so special?


    In this episode, we’ll hear about three of these songs from Don Hart, the composer and arranger who has worked with Trey Anastasio for more than 15 years; and Drew Hitz, a classically trained musician and Phish fan. Don and Drew will walk us through these songs and talk about why they are such enduring pieces of Phish’s catalog.


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    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.


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    The 80s Rock Scene Feb 17, 2021

    Phish’s song David Bowie combines quirky lyrics with an intricate musical arrangement that’s fit for a symphony. Starting with a discussion of the spirit and substance of this song, and a focus on the 8/29/87 version, Brian Brinkman and David Goldstein then use 1980s Phish to examine other notable bands from the decade like Minutemen, Yo La Tengo, Hüsker Dü, and R.E.M.


    Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company.


    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.


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    The Early Shows Feb 10, 2021

    How did Phish go from playing cafeteria gigs at UVM to Madison Square Garden in only 10 years? We start to chart this path by looking at shows from 1983-1986, where intimate venues like Nectar’s and Doolin’s offered the band a chance to practice and refine their live sets. And at the same time, more experimental shows at places like Goddard College allowed the band to push further into the unknown. At the same time, the transition from a two-guitar band to a four-piece with keys, and the introduction of lots of new songs, combined to lay the foundation of Phish’s modern sound.


    In episode two of Undermine, RJ Bee, Jonathan Hart, Matt Dwyer, and Brad TenBrook explore some of Phish’s fundamental shows from 1983-1986, and the songs, venues, and overall sound that developed during these years.


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    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.


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    The Origins Feb 03, 2021

    How did a band with no major label from a small city in Northern Vermont become one of the biggest bands in music within a decade? What were the origins of Phish and what laid the foundation for their cultural timeline and organic growth?


    In the first episode of Undermine, Phish lyricist Tom Marshall brings in the perspectives of fans and collaborators who saw their rise in Vermont and helped to create the scene that was critical as the band found their groove and structure in the early 80s.


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    Undermine Trailer Jan 13, 2021

    Undermine is the definitive Phish podcast. The first season will focus on Phish’s genesis in the 1980s—through deep-dives into the music, shows and songs; interviews with people who were there for the early years; and discussion about the lasting impact of these foundational years. Undermine is a combination of Under the Scales, Helping Friendly Podcast and Beyond the Pond. Presented by Osiris Media.

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