UnderCurrent with Gabe Lyons

How IVF Harms Children with Katy Faust Feb 27, 2025

Join us for an eye-opening discussion with Katy Faust, Founder and President of Them Before Us, as we delve into the pressing issue of child rights and the challenges children face in today's world. In this insightful interview, Katy draws from her extensive research and advocacy work to highlight the need for a child-first perspective in politics and society, addressing topics like fertility, family structure, and the implications of modern reproductive technologies. Discover how the redefinition of marriage and the commodification of children are reshaping our understanding of family and human dignity. As we navigate these complex issues, Katy encourages us to remember our responsibility as Christians to protect and advocate for the most vulnerable among us: our children. Them Before Us: https://thembeforeus.com/ Follow Katy Faust on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/katyfaustofficial/ and at her website: https://katyfaust.com/

Get Katy's books here: https://katyfaust.com/books/

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MORE RESOURCES: Check out more from Katy on thinqmedia.com: https://thinqmedia.com/speakers/katy-faust/ IVF Executive Order: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/expanding-access-to-in-vitro-fertilization/

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More from the THINQ Podcast Network:

➡︎Rhythms for Life with Rebekah and Gabe Lyons: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rhythms-for-life/id1477541494

➡︎The InFormed Parent with Suzanne Phillips: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-informed-parent-with-suzanne-phillips/id1708269607

➡︎NextUp with Grant Skeldon: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/next-up-with-grant-skeldon/id1697898371

➡︎NeuroFaith with Curt Thompson: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/neurofaith-with-curt-thompson-md/id1613240148

Social Contagions and Tipping Points with Malcolm Gladwell Jan 30, 2025

In this episode of UnderCurrent, Gabe Lyons sits down with renowned author Malcolm Gladwell to discuss the evolution of Malcolm’s work and study of social contagions and tipping points. They delve into the significance of what Malcolm calls “overstories”, discuss the failure of the education system, share valuable insights for leaders navigating today's dynamic cultural landscape, and more. Resources

Check out Malcolm Gladwell’s books, including his latest title, Revenge of the Tipping Point.
Create a free THINQ Account and download the THINQ Media app on your smart TV to access more trusted content like this on topics from all channels of culture at thinqmedia.com.
Apply the THINQ Framework as you think through cultural topics.
Attend THINQ events where you can gather with like-minded leaders, ask better questions and have conversations that lead to wisdom:
- Participate in Let's Talk Tech Detox.
- Bring the 28-Day Digital Fast to your family, workplace, or church.
- Sign up for THINQ Summit 2025 October 2-4 in Nashville, TN.
More from the THINQ Podcast Network:

Enduring Hope | Season 2, Ep. 11 Nov 15, 2023

In this last episode of Season 2, Gabe reflects on the mounting crisis in our world and how the tectonic plates of history seem to be moving. He uses the THINQ Framework to help us consider our response as Christians. Gabe encourages us to ask thoughtful questions like: Have we become too dependent on the current structures and systems? Have we lost touch with the way God has designed us to function—to create, to cultivate? The answers we come to might be uncomfortable, but necessary. Listen in and see how, no matter what, we can walk in God’s truth and create a contagious hope that ignites change in our homes and across our communities. Links to Learn More and Take Action:

Create conversations that lead to wisdom about Sustainability.
Grow your cultural discernment: Create a free Thought Leader account and view the THINQ Framework series.
Follow @gabelyons on Instagram and X and visit gabelyons.com.

Grid Down Scenario | Season 2, Ep. 10 Oct 31, 2023

Within the last year in the United States, we’ve seen an alarming rise in substation attacks and cyberattacks. We’ve seen paralyzing and deadly power outages due to tornadoes, hurricanes, wildfires, heat waves, and deep freeze. We’ve even seen an intelligence-stealing Chinese spy balloon traverse the country before being shot down. It seems our country’s vulnerabilities are becoming more and more exposed, but what are we doing about it? Tune in to hear Gabe and grid-down expert William R. Forstchen tackle the gravity of this issue and what we can do as individuals and as the Church to best prepare for unexpected and unpredictable situations. Links to Learn More and Take Action:

Watch my THINQ Conversation with Dr. William R. Forstchen: Grid Down Scenario.
Grow your cultural discernment: Create a free Thought Leader account and view the THINQ Framework series.
Follow @gabelyons on Instagram and X and visit gabelyons.com.

Fighting Eugenics | Season 2, Ep. 9 Oct 24, 2023

The practice of eugenics may cause you to conjure up the evil by-gone era of Hitler and Nazi Germany in World War II, but you might be surprised to learn about a new era of eugenics currently happening in America and around the world.

In this episode, Gabe gets underneath the clever vernacular some are using to cloak a more contemporary—but no less unethical—eugenics, like “modern genetics,” “gene therapy,” and “transhumanism.” He reveals how people are essentially playing God to create a “perfect” humanity but are, instead, manipulating God’s original and perfect design.

Tune in to get informed and think well about what this means for our human flourishing.

Links to Learn More and Take Action:

Watch my THINQ Conversation with Dr. Aaron Kheriaty: Bioethics & Gene Therapy.
Learn more about Transhumanism through my conversation with Dr. John Lennox: When Humans Become Machines.
Understand why eugenics is racism: Eugenics and Scientific Racism.
To explore a fictional future where genetic modification goes wrong, read The Children of Men by P.D. James.
Read 20th century predictions in The Abolition of Man by C.S. Lewis, Brave New World by Aldous Huxley or 1984 by George Orwell.
Read my HuffPost blog Defense of Down Syndrome Children…Like My Son.
Read this New York Times article reporting 90% of children born with Down syndrome are aborted: Prenatal Tests Puts Down Syndrome in Hard Focus.
Read more about 23andMe selling genetic data to pharmaceutical companies: 23andMe Sold Your Genetic Data to GSK: What this Means for You, Your Data, and Your Health.
Continue to grow your cultural discernment: Create a free Thought Leader account and view the THINQ Framework series.
Follow @gabelyons on Instagram and X and visit gabelyons.com.

Food and Farming | Season 2, Ep. 8 Oct 17, 2023

You may not see it or feel it directly (yet), but food insecurity is on the rise across the world, which raises significant sourcing and sustainability questions.

In this episode, Gabe prompts us to consider our current food systems—who’s growing our food, where they’re growing it, how they’re growing it—and our dependence on it all.

Tune in to hear Gabe and several agricultural experts discuss what we and the local church can do to make food more accessible and affordable for our families and our communities. Links to Learn More:

Leverage Gabe’s curated conversation starter talks on building resilience.
Congressman Massie on vaccines grown in vegetables
Watch Food as Freedom, by Jason Streubel, Sr. Director of Agriculture, Convoy of Hope.
Watch Gabe's THINQ conversation with Joey Lankford, Executive Director of Cul2vate, and Darren Whitehead, Lead Pastor of Church of the City: Fresh Food Systems.

Lessons from the Amish | Season 2, Ep. 7 Oct 10, 2023

How can the wisdom of the past inform the future? In this episode, Gabe takes a closer look at what some have dismissed as the “old-fashioned” practices of the Amish community. In all our progress and modernity, he calls us to consider the lessons we can learn from the simplicity, resiliency, and sustainability of traditional Amish ways. Listen and think well about what it takes to build a life in which big innovations and technology don’t disrupt or devalue the priorities of community and family. Links to Learn More and Take Action:

Create conversations that lead to wisdom about Sustainability.
Watch Gabe’s recent talk on artificial intelligence: You & A.I.
Four Healthy Habits to Steal from the Amish
What the Amish Teach Us: Plain Living in a Busy World by Donald B. Kraybill
Watch Gabe’s THINQ Conversation with Donald Kraybill: Lessons from the Amish.
The Tech-Wise Family: Everyday Steps for Putting Technology in Its Proper Place by Andy Crouch
Jayber Crow by Wendell Berry.
Learn the benefits of local credit unions: Credit Unions vs. Banks.
Vine and Fig Tree, mountvernon.org
Join Gabe and Rebekah at Rhythms Retreat Nov. 16-17.

Build Resilience| Season 2, Ep. 6 Oct 03, 2023

As Christians, how do we operate with hope and wisdom in a world that's changing before our very eyes? What steps can we take to remain steadfast and faithful? Gabe reminds us of that patient endurance requires building a resilient and sustainable parallel and points us to the practical steps we can take. As the season turns towards a hopeful way forward, you’ll be encouraged to consider your role in living a countercultural life, including implementing alternative education, assessing your health and food supply chain—even consideration on what role the Church may play in any emergency situation that presents itself. Listen as Gabe outlines seven countercultural ways we can flourish and function as free-will human beings in these changing times. Access the resources below to think well and take action within your church and community. Links to Learn More:

Urgent Letter to Christian Leaders - Gabe Lyons
Build the Parallel – Gabe Lyons
Building Resilience - Rebekah Lyons
Who Is Teaching Your Kids? - Suzanne Phillips
The InFormed Parent Podcast – Suzanne Phillips
Who Do I Trust With My Health? - Jordan Rubin
Localizing Food Production - Joey Lankford and Darren Whitehead
The Church’s Role in Grid Down Scenarios - William Forstchen
For more on this and other topics from THINQ Media, visit thinqmedia.com to create a free Thought Leader account and view the THINQ Framework series.
Follow @gabelyons on Instagram and X, and visit his website at gabelyons.com.

The Mechanisms | Season 2, Ep.5 Sep 26, 2023

Are new global governance systems making us safer or simply more surveilled and controlled? Gabe shines a light on three global mechanisms seemingly designed to protect us and make our lives more convenient: Digital ID, Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC), and the Environmental, Social, Governance Score (ESG). Learn how these mechanisms are designed and how, with full implementation, they will create more controls that could restrict your freedom to move, buy and borrow. Listen and get empowered to opt out, create friction against their full adoption, and build a sustainable parallel. Links to Learn More:

Watch the 5-part series, Discerning the Times with Rod Dreher
Start conversations around sustainability, including how to Build the Parallel and Create Friction.
Opt Out of TSA Biometrics Technology
Palm Scanning Technology used by Amazon One
White House Executive Order on CBDC
Financial Transaction Freedom
I Want to Stop CBDCs – What Can I Do?
Target’s LGBTQ+ Pride Marketing May Be ESG Driven
The ESG Empire Strikes Back Following Bud Light Boycott
For more on this and other topics from THINQ Media, visit thinqmedia.com to create a free Thought Leader account and view the THINQ Framework series.
Follow @gabelyons on Instagram and X, and visit his website at gabelyons.com.

The Controllers | Season 2, Ep. 4 Sep 19, 2023

What kind of world do you want to live in? Does your vision for the future align with the vision and desired outcomes that global bureaucrats have for your future? Does shutting down family farms, deeming abortion a human right, prescribing mandatory medicines, and defining for us what is and isn’t misinformation reflect the values and vision you have for your family and community? In this episode, Gabe digs below the surface of three global institutions—United Nations, World Health Organization, and World Economic Forum. Listen in as he reveals how the “goals” this lockstep enterprise has set for our global wellbeing have somehow turned into self-serving policy and regulation backed by billions of dollars. Links to Learn More:

Political Declaration of the United Nations General Assembly High-Level Meeting on Pandemic Prevention, Preparedness and Response⁠
⁠United Nations 17 Sustainable Development Goals⁠
⁠Millennium Development Goals⁠
⁠United Nations Transforming Our World: The 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development Declaration⁠
⁠WHO+CA, so-called “Pandemic Treaty” ⁠
⁠EuroNews Article: How is the World Health Organization funded, and why does it rely so much on Bill Gates?⁠
⁠Heritage Foundation: Why the U.S. Should Oppose the New Draft WHO Pandemic Treaty⁠
Watch ⁠Gabe's conversation with Dr. Martin Kulldorff⁠, an originator of The Great Barrington Declaration
⁠World Economic Forum: 8 Predictions for the World in 2030⁠
Download and share Gabe’s ⁠Urgent Letter to Christian Leaders⁠
For more resources on building resilient and sustainable systems in your local community visit ⁠gabelyons.com/sustainable⁠.
For more on this and other topics from THINQ Media, visit ⁠thinqmedia.com⁠ to create a ⁠free Thought Leader account⁠ and view the ⁠THINQ Framework⁠ series.
Follow @gabelyons on Instagram and X, and visit his website at ⁠gabelyons.com⁠.

Global vs. Local | Season 2, Ep. 3 Sep 12, 2023

Global organizations are seemingly designed to coordinate action and centralize control. On the surface, that sounds ideal—even simple. But what’s really underneath the issue? What are the true effects of globalism? Does global governance create more or less freedom?

Listen in as Gabe uncovers the history and nuance of the 21st century global governance enterprise and its implications for free-willed people in local communities. You’ll be encouraged to assess your reliance on these systems and to consider what opportunities exist to create alternatives.

For more resources on building resilient and sustainable systems in your local community visit gabelyons.com/sustainable.
See more on George Washington’s use of the phrase “Vine and Fig Tree” from Micah 4:4.
For more on this and other topics from THINQ Media, visit thinqmedia.com to create a free Thought Leader account and view the THINQ Framework series.
Download and share Gabe’s Urgent Letter to Christian Leaders.
Follow @gabelyons on Instagram and X, and visit his website at gabelyons.com.

Church vs. State | Season 2, Ep. 2 Sep 05, 2023

Did you know the role of government is to be a minister? In Romans 13, Paul clearly lays out what governments are meant to do on behalf of God: punish evil and reward good. But many people today passively interpret this teaching, believing we should submit to whatever the government says. Listen in as Gabe calls us to a deeper conversation and scriptural understanding of the government and technocracy by asking critical questions:

How do we operate within a government that seeks to control the people?
How can Christians honor authority and yet continue to practice freedom?
How can we be counter-cultural and live in patient endurance?

Learn more at thinqmedia.com:

Download and share Gabe’s Urgent Letter to Christian Leaders
Watch our Church and State series to hear multiple perspectives on how the relationship between God and government should play out in a free society.
Create a free Thought Leader account and view the THINQ Framework series.

Follow @gabelyons on Instagram and X, and visit his website at gabelyons.com.

Control vs. Freedom | Season 2, Ep. 1 Aug 29, 2023

The headlines would tell us the epic battle playing out in the U.S. is between right and left, liberal and conservative. But in this episode, Gabe gets underneath the real battle—the struggle between control and freedom. Applying the THINQ Framework, Gabe implores us as a free-willed people to pay attention and understand the times. He explains what’s required for us to have true freedom and reminds us to consider the unique history and nuance of our unalienable rights outlined in the Declaration of Independence. For a deeper dive, tune in next week for Ep. 2: Control vs. Freedom, Pt. 2. Learn more at thinqmedia.com: Create a free Thought Leader account and view the THINQ Framework series as well as the “Democracy or Republic?” talk, in which Dave Zanotti, CEO of The American Policy Roundtable, discusses the difference between a democracy and a republic with political scientist and philosopher William B. Allen. Follow @gabelyons on Instagram and Twitter or visit his website at gabelyons.com.

Understanding the Technocracy | Episode 5 May 02, 2023

How will the merging of technology, currency, biometrics and surveillance change how we live? The coming technocracy is closer than you think—in fact, you are helping build it.

In the conclusion of Season One, Gabe sets the stage for the future before us, encouracing Christians to consider where to draw moral and ethical lines and begin building resilient communities.

Paul Kingsnorth | The Prospect of Technocracy Minxin Pei | What is a Social Credit System? Yuval Noah Harari | 2020 World Economic Forum Annual Meeting President Joe Biden's Executive Order on Biotechnology and Biomanufacturing Neuralink

Who Can You Trust? | Episode 4 Apr 25, 2023

We are experiencing a crisis of trust. Citizens no longer know where to go or who to listen to for credible information. Misinformation, polarization and self-censorship are a few of the consequences when belief begins to deteriorate.

In this episode, Gabe looks at how to respond, puts cancel culture on the hot seat and engages Malcolm Gladwell on how the Christian practice of forgiveness can be an antidote to our growing vitriol for those with whom we disagree. You can follow Gabe on Instagram and Twitter: @gabelyons or visit his website at gabelyons.com Sources mentioned this episode: 2022 Edelman Trust Barometer Neil Postman | Building a Bridge to the 18th Century

My Letter to Christian Leaders | Episode 3 Apr 18, 2023

In our complicated cultural moment, Christians need to to offer hopeful solutions to society’s most pressing questions. In this episode, Gabe Lyons gets personal, reading a private letter he was compelled to write and send to 200 Christian leaders. Now he’s inviting all of us to listen in and consider the urgency of the moment, including the Seven Ways the Church Can Lead. Read the letter here: gabelyons.com/letter Is your church looking to host dialogue on current issues? Learn more about what we offer at THINQSummits.com. You can follow Gabe on Instagram and Twitter: @gabelyons or visit his website at gabelyons.com.

Build the Parallel | Episode 2 Apr 18, 2023

Creating an alternative future, built on timeless wisdom, will be essential for people to understand they have a choice other than being viewed and treated as a machine. Listen in as Gabe explores what it will take to create and cultivate parallel structures brimming with life and meaning. You will hear historical and modern day examples of how leaders build the parallel and the important role we each get to play. You can follow Gabe on Instagram and Twitter: @gabelyons or visit his website at gabelyons.com. Sources mentioned this episode: Vaclav Havel | The Power of the Powerless

Man as Machine | Episode 1 Apr 18, 2023

Two distinct futures lay before us and we will all need to make a choice. Which will you choose? In this first episode Gabe provides a helpful framework for understanding one future from the Church and history have been long warning us against: man is a machine. You can follow Gabe on Instagram and Twitter: @gabelyons or visit his website at gabelyons.com. Sources mentioned this episode: Charles Dickens | The Tale of Two CitiesCS Lewis | The Abolition of ManJoost Meerlo | The Rape of the MindYuval Noah Harari: The 2021 60 Minutes interviewWorld Government Summit 2022

Welcome to UnderCurrent Apr 18, 2023

In our culture today, the acceleration of new ideas, technologies, trends and headlines coming our way can be overwhelming. We need a place to think well about the changing landscape of our world. UnderCurrent with Gabe Lyons helps people of faith navigate this chaos and confusion with clarity and conviction. In a complicated cultural moment, Christians will be equipped with timeless wisdom, offering hopeful solutions to those looking for answers.

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