Typology

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Part 2 of 2: Looking into the Shadow...A Hero's Journey, feat. Claire Diaz-Ortiz (Enneagram 3) [S02-003] Aug 15, 2018

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When you truly begin doing your work, the Enneagram really should mess with you. It should dis-equilibrate you, throw you back on your heals, make you wonder, "Who am I? Who is everybody else? What am I supposed to do now?

This week we're back with part 2 of Claire Diaz-Ortiz's interview revealing how her research into Enneagram Threes has helped her dig beneath the surface and shift her focus towards using the gifts she's developed to lift up others from behind the scenes.

Claire Diaz-Ortiz is an author, speaker and Silicon Valley innovator who was an early employee at Twitter. Named one of the 100 Most Creative People in Business by Fast Company, she holds an MBA and other degrees from Stanford and Oxford and has been featured widely in print and broadcast media. She writes a popular business blog at ClaireDiazOrtiz.com and is the award-winning author of eight books that have been published in more than a dozen countries.

To learn more about Claire, visit w ww.clairediazortiz.com.

Instincts and Subtypes with Aaron Niequist [S02-002] Aug 09, 2018

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Welcome back to Season 2 of Typology. I'm thrilled to continue Season Two with a really great friend who I've known for many years, Aaron Niequist.

Though Aaron is a four on the Enneagram, we're actually going to explore some new territory today. We're going to go into some content that'll be great for every single number to know and learn about. With two fours on the line, I do need to say that because otherwise, everyone will just assume that all we're going to do is talk about ourselves for a long time. Not today.

So many of our listeners have asked me to talk about subtypes. Everybody asks, "Can you please say more about subtypes? What are they and how do I determine mine?" Those are great questions actually because there are multiple variations of type. I think what happens with each variation is you get another degree of clarity about the nature of the type itself, it's different flavors and expressions. One of the most important next steps a person can take after they know all the basics is to learn their subtype. If you are somebody who, for example, can't figure out your type, I would steer you toward instincts and subtypes because that's another way of kind of getting at type. So tune in as I break it down for you and Aaron.

Aaron Niequist has served as a leader at some of the most influential churches in the country. In 2014, he launched a neo-liturgical, ecumenical, practice-based service at Willow Creek in Chicago. He also created a series of liturgical recordings called A New Liturgy to help people create holy space wherever they find themselves. Niequist and his wife, bestselling author Shauna Niequist, live in the suburbs of Chicago with their two sons. For more information, visit aaronniequist.com and anewliturgy.com.

Looking into the Shadow...A Hero's Journey, feat. Claire Diaz-Ortiz Part 1 of 2 (Enneagram 3) [S02-001] Aug 02, 2018

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Claire Diaz-Ortiz first discovered the Enneagram in 2005 and typed herself as an Enneagram One. When Ian first interviewed Claire in Season One, she came onto the show sharing her life through the lens of a One. But the more she and Ian dug into her narrative, the more Ian began to sense there was more to Claire's story. Ian suggested she consider reading up on Enneagram Threes...and she did.

Today, Claire returns to reveal how her research into Enneagram Threes has had impacted her and helped her become "quiet enough to listen" so real, deep change can happen.

To learn more about Claire, visit www.clairediazortiz.com.

054: [Revisited] :: Here, Hold My Beer...A Panel of Enneagram Twos Jul 26, 2018

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Enneagram Twos are called The Helpers. They are some of the most loving, kind, supportive, upbeat, and—when healthy—genuinely helpful to other people. Their underlying motivation is to feel loved and needed. But sometimes that need to be needed can lead to burn out.

In this week's episode of Typology, we revisit our Panel of Twos who describe what it's like to view life through the eyes of The Helper. So, tune in and listen as the loud-laughing, contentedly uncool mom of three teenagers, Tia Coffey, Vanderbilt University fundraising specialist and stand-up comic, Geoff Little, and singer-songwriter-author, Andrew Greer join Ian to talk about finding the balance between giving enough and giving to the point of burn out.

053: Rob Bell (Enneagram 7), Author, Speaker & Gracious Provocateur, Revisited Jul 19, 2018

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Discovering the Enneagram was a game-changer for Rob. His knowledge and enthusiasm for the Enneagram runs deep, and as you'll discover while we revisit this episode, Rob is an Enneagram "7 with a 7 wing."

Check out Rob's latest book, What Is the Bible?, and visit RobBell.com for speaking dates and other events.

052: Science Mike Hacks the Enneagram, Revisited Jul 12, 2018

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This week we are revisiting Ian's interview with 'Science Mike' McHargue as he shares his journey through the inner sanctum of an Enneagram Nine and his process of building a healthy connection to anger.

To preserve their inner peace and harmony, Nines often deny or simply don't even recognize their anger. Instead, they create an inner boundary to tamp down any feelings or desires that might disturb their calm inner sea. They also establish an external boundary to protect themselves from anything external that might cause inner tumult. This desire for inner and outer peace is so innate that Nines unconsciously absorb other people's emotional energy.

Mike McHargue (better known as Science Mike) is an author, podcaster, and speaker who travels the world helping people understand the science of life's most profound experiences. His bestselling debut book, Finding God in the Waves, has helped thousands understand faith in the 21st century.

Mike hosts Ask Science Mike, a weekly question and answer podcast helping hundreds of thousands explore the questions they've always been afraid to ask.

He also co-hosts The Liturgists Podcast with his friend Michael Gungor. With over a million downloads per month, The Liturgists Podcast is reshaping how the spiritually homeless and frustrated relate to God.

And his bestselling debut book, Finding God in the Waves, has helped thousands understand faith in the 21st century.

To learn more about Science Mike, visit www.mikemchargue.com

051: [REVISITED] :: Sarah Thebarge, Moving Out of Fear Into Love as an Enneagram 6 Jul 05, 2018

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For the month of July we will be revisiting some of Typology's most downloaded episodes. This week we revisit Ian's interview with Sarah Thebarge.

Sarah shares how she approaches the world through the lens of an Enneagram Six. With a strong need for security and consistency, Sixes appreciate order, plans and rules and like the comfort and predictability of laws and guidelines. But their passion is fear, which is often experienced as anxiety. Anxiety is a vague, free-floating sense of apprehension that arises in response to an unknown or potential threat that may never materialize. So, how do Sixes achieve spiritual growth?

A lot of Sixes think the answer is bravery, but there's never enough bravery to fill the bucket of "this is a scary world and I need support." In today's episode, Sarah Thebarge shares the difference between bravery and courage and how making that distinction has been helpful for her as an Enneagram Six.

Sarah Thebarge is a speaker, blogger, journalist and author of The Invisible Girls, a memoir that weaves her story of nearly dying of breast cancer in her 20's together with the story of a Somali refugee family she met on a train in Portland, Oregon, as she was recovering from her cancer treatments.

050: Bob & Maria Goff, the Beautifully Imperfect Marriage of an Enneagram 9 & 7, Revisited Jun 28, 2018

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Today we are revisiting Ian's interview with celebrated Author, Speaker Bob Goff and his wife Maria. Bob is an Enneagram 7 and Maria is a 9. And even though this episode provides a lot of insight into the worldview of a 7 and 9, the show today is really more about marriage and how two very distinct personality types can create a climate in which difference isn't merely tolerated, but rather is celebrated.

Now, even if you're not married, you'll still love this episode because it paints a marvelous picture of how two very different Enneagram types, regardless of the kind of relationship they have forged, can come together to form a bond in which the two become more than the sum of their individual parts. It's a great model.

Be sure and check out Bob's newest book, Everybody, Always: Becoming Love in a World Full of Setbacks and Difficult People, and Maria's book, Love Lives Here.

Also, check out Dream Big Framework to learn about Bob's upcoming workshop.

049: Julianne Cusick (Enneagram 1) Finds Her Inner Encourager Jun 21, 2018

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As Richard Rohr says, Ones are childlike and full of joy and wonder at the world and creation. But for Ones, that sense of joy has been lost. Instead, they suppress their own feelings and focus on being good and doing what is right. They feel a sense of duty and responsibility and may harbor resentment toward others who don't see things the right way – their way.

But what would it look like if Ones reclaimed their childlike wonder? When Ones move toward health, they begin to let judgments go and become more at ease with imperfection. They begin to truly quiet that inner critic and turn it into an inner encourager.

Our guest today, Julianne Cusick, shares how her journey towards self-awareness and self-knowledge as an Enneagram One has allowed her to prioritize relationships over perfection and has given her permission to have fun dancing in the kitchen.

Julianne Cusick is a licensed minister and registered psychotherapist whose passion is to fight for the hearts of women silenced by shame and fear related to their husband's sexual brokenness. Julianne is a 2nd-year graduate student for a Masters in Marriage and Family Therapy at Argosy University, Denver. She thrives on personal and professional growth.

A dynamic and engaging communicator, Julianne speaks to Christian organizations, women's groups, and retreats – all from the voice of hope and her own story of healing and redemption.

She is the mother of a high-schooler and young adult son, and enjoys gardening, reading, and spending time with family and friends.

048: Surrender and Acceptance, feat. Ashley Cleveland Jun 14, 2018

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Every single day I receive multiple emails from listeners saying they are stuck and can't figure out their Enneagram type. Usually, my first recommendation is to dive into the Subtypes of each number to see if that helps narrow things down. But there is something else to consider…something we have not yet talked about on Typology. Just as the Enneagram is broken into Triads, it is also broken into Stances--the Dependent Stance, the Withdrawing Stance, and the Aggressive Stance. So, if you're still conflicted, ask yourself which stance are you? Are you someone who is withdrawing? Are you someone who is assertive? Or are you someone who is dependent and more compliant? Because oftentimes when you're stuck between two or three types they can each feel very different--like they are in conflict with each other. And when those types don't fall into the same stance category then knowing your "default stance" can really help iron things out.

On today's episode of Typology, Ashley Cleveland and I delve into the stances, right-sizing the personality and how surrender and acceptance are the gateways to everything. It's a great episode you won't want to miss.

Since her debut on Atlantic Records in 1991, Ashley Cleveland has recorded 9 critically acclaimed albums. She has won three Grammys for Best Rock Gospel Album (Lesson of Love, 1995; You Are There, 1998; Before the Daylight's Shot, 2007). She was the first female to be nominated in that category and the only one to win the award three times. She has been nominated for six Dove awards and won twice for compilation records (Songs from the Loft: Praise and Worship Album of the year; The Jesus Record: Album of the Year). She received her fourth Grammy nomination in 2010 for her disc, God Don't Never Change, a collection of spirituals in the Best Traditional Gospel Album category. Three of her albums have been on Billboard's year-end best list (Big Town, Bus Named Desire, Men and Angels Say) and she has been nominated twice for a Nashville Music Award (Lesson Of Love, God Don't Never Change) winning for Lesson Of Love. She was named Female Vocalist of the year in 2007 by Christianity Today.net and, in addition to her own recordings, has contributed background vocals on over 300 records over the course of her career. Her 10th album, One More Song, is due for release late in 2017.

Ashley is currently the subject of a new documentary from Big Branch productions expected to release in early 2018. The working title is: Who's The Girl?.

Ashley is a writer/essayist and has written a memoir entitled "Little Black Sheep" which was released September 2013 by David C Cook Publishing and she is currently working on two new memoirs.

Ashley is a native of Knoxville, Tennessee, and lives in Franklin, Tennessee with her husband Kenny Greenberg. She has three adult children, Rebecca, Henry and Lily.

For more about Ashley, visit www.ashleycleveland.com.

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