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Latest Episodes:

014: On #JLoIRL, Bennifer, Having White Husbands, & The Sexiest Accents May 20, 2021

On this episode of Try Saying That Out Loud Jamie and Lo join literally everyone else in the world in talking about the only pop-culture moment the matters: the return of Bennifer (0:06) and then take a listener question & Try Saying That moment about having a white husband in America (0:11). Really, that was the question.

This episode’s “Lo, I wanna know…” is Lo literally a meme.

No one:

Lo: HERE IS EVERYTHING I KNOW ABOUT TEA

So, have fun listening to the content no one asked for: TEA (0:30).

Jamie picks up with Temptation Island enneagram typing with Erin & Corey (0:44) and introduces her new favorite TV show - Drive to Survive (0:56) and Lo is already here for it (#iykyk). The ladies finish up by talking a bit about what they are reading (1:03).

Happy listening! Or watching if that is more your speed.

013: On Filters, Derek Chauvin, Problematic Publishers & Period Pain May 06, 2021

On this episode of Try Saying That Out Loud Jamie and Lo briefly talk about Instagram filters before transitioning into the heavy shit: the Derek Chauvin trial and the killing of Ma’khia Bryant (0:03). They also chat for a bit about the recent culture struggle surrounding book publisher, Simon & Schuster (0:16).

Then, on this segment of “Lo, I wanna know…” she answers a listener question about what to do about period pain (0:29), and before going into her Enneagram Deep Dive, Jamie & Lo discuss the finale of Temptation Island (0:47). Jamie subsequently types both Erica & Kendal (0:53) which is fascinating and spot on.

The ladies conclude by talking about what else they are watching (0:59) (spoiler - Lo has an unhealthy relationship with Below Deck Mediterranean) and reading (1:12). Then, they discuss their May #podpick, Red Pill, and announce June’s pick: Migrations.

Happy listening! Or watching if that is more your speed.

012: On Life After COVID, Khloe Kardashian, The Downfall of Rachel Hollis, & Deacon King Kong Apr 15, 2021

On this episode, Jamie and Lo talk about life after COVID and the joys of the grocery store. Then they address the Khloe Kardashian photo editing fiasco (0:09) and problematic Rachel fucking Hollis (0:24). Then, Jamie fills in some of the gaps of their prior gun control conversation with thoughts sent in by one of her old friends from law school (:30).
“Lo I wanna know…” touches on how much water you should really be drinking and what’s the real deal behind the Apple Cider Vinegar craze (0:46). And, Jamie completes her Enneagram deep dives with a crowd favorite, Enneagram 5 (0:59).
The ladies end by discussing their March (yes, March) #podpick Deacon King Kong (1:13) and, of course, catch up on what else they’re reading and watching (1:25).

011: On Moving Forward with The Bachelor, Gun Control, Racist Real Estate, & #TeamErica Apr 01, 2021

On this episode of Try Saying That Out Loud, Jamie & Lo have one final debrief of Matt James’ season of The Bachelor and discuss how not excited they are for Katie’s season of The Bachelorette.

Then, the tone shifts as the ladies talk about gun control in the wake of the supermarket shooting in Boulder, as well as the shooting in Georgia that targeted Asian-American women (0:20). In the span of a week, 18 American lives were lost. They try to make sense of arguments against banning assault-style weapons but literally just… cannot.

This episode’s Try Saying That moment is brought to you by, for the first time, A REAL LIFE LISTENER, but hits close to home for both Jamie & Lo (0:35). Real estate, education and, you guessed it: racism. They discuss ways to combat living in disproportionately white neighborhoods and the importance of diversity in raising the next generation.

Lo then talks about nutrition and weight loss (0:53) and Jamie dives into Enneagram 6 (1:13). The ladies finish with what they are reading (1:28) & watching (1:37; this is now a Temptation Island podcast for those of you who care) and announce their next #podpick, Red Pill by Hari Kunzru.

010: On Royal Haters, Exploiting Matt James, Social Media Battles, Energy Eats, & Emotional Cheating Mar 18, 2021

On this episode of Try Saying That Out Loud, Jamie and Lo white girl “cannot” with the royal haters OR the producers of the Bachelor that so blatantly exploited Matt James for their own benefit (00:16).

Then, the conversation takes a vulnerable turn as Lo introduces her /Try Saying That/ moment, which speaks to the toxicity that can be social media, especially as it concerns performative allyship, “mean girls,” and cancel culture (00:22). It was a terrifying conversation to have but as Jamie so aptly reminded her, getting uncomfortable is what they are here to do. On the plus side: maybe this conversation will be the one that causes people to finally email them, for better or for worse.

Then, Lo talks even more for this episodes’ “Lo, I wanna know…” — this time answering a listener question about how to manage energy levels from a nutritional standpoint (00:47). Afterward, Jamie does her deep dive on Enneagram 4 (00:56).

The ladies finish up by discussing what they’re reading (1:10) and watching (1:16) and announce that this is now a Temptation Island podcast. Kidding, they announce what Jamie was sure they announced last time — March’s #PodPick, Deacon King Kong (1:24)! They will discuss the novel on the next episode airing 4/1. Grab your copy!

Happy listening! Or watching if that is more your speed.

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Episode Transcript (coming soon!)

009: On Performative Allyship, Jamie’s Security Blanket, Anxiety Alleviating Foods, & “Detransition, Baby” Mar 04, 2021

On this episode of Try Saying That Out Loud, Jamie and Lo unpack Bachelor contestant Rachel Kirkconnell’s Instagram apology & talk about performative allyship, especially for those in the public eye. Then Jamie gets vulnerable about self-esteem in her first, but undoubtedly not the last, Try Saying THAT moment of the month (:30).

“Lo, I wanna know…” kicks off with a question about anxiety-friendly foods (:48), & then Lo has her very own reckoning, as Jamie does her Enneagram 7 deep dive (:58).

Later, the hosts have an incredible conversation about their February book club/#PodPick - Detransition, Baby by Torrey Peters (1:18) & continue to discuss the overarching theme of motherhood with regards to both current & anticipated reads (1:33). The episode wraps with Lo screaming about Temptation Island & Kevin Costner (1:46). Really, where did he come from!?

008: On Gen Z, Grease Curtains, Safe Travels, Ketogenic Diets & Bachelor Nation Feb 18, 2021

On this episode, Jamie and Lo laugh about how one day Gen Z will get it and also about Lo’s most horrifying hair fail (00:02:37). She trusts those of you that let her do that slightly less than before and you know who you are.

Then, Lo unpacks the irony of returning to a “simpler life” (i.e. the equestrian world) and what a privileged position she finds herself in while Jamie similarly unpacks privilege but: travel edition (00:04:21 & 00:15:30, respectively).

This episode’s wellness discussion (dare we rename this segment “Lo, I wanna know…”?!) kicks off with two listener questions — one about identifying and mitigating gut-related concerns and the other about ketogenic diets (00:22:34). And Jamie continues our enneagram journey with a Type 8 deep dive (00:52:41). Trump and MLK… need we say more?

The ladies conclude by catching up on Bachelor Nation (01:13:05) — [NOTE: this was recorded before literally everything went down so commentary is already out of date], and what they’re reading (01:24:23).

On the next episode, the ladies will discuss the February #podpick Detransition, Baby by Torrey Peters so don’t forget to grab your copy!

Happy listening! Or watching if YouTube is more your speed.

007: On Plantation Shutters, The Gut & Mental Health, J’s Serial Killer Trait & Amanda Fucking Gorman Feb 04, 2021

On this episode, Jamie and Lo totally fuck up the introduction for the first—but definitely not the last—time and lament about what must be their incredible self-awareness because even though there are twice as many of them, Try Saying That Out Loud moments are not hard to come by 🙃. Jamie reflects on her plantation wedding and Lo on the privilege associated with health and wellness (in this case: intermittent fasting).
This week’s health topic is around the gut and mental health and it’s Type 3’s turn for an enneagram deep dive which starts with the unveiling of Jamie’s serial killer trait. You don’t want to fucking miss it: trust.
Then, Jamie has an incredible book recommendation for “literally everyone” and Lo doesn’t know what the hell she is reading.
0:01 — All things “plantation”
0:10 — Intermittent Fasting & Privilege
0:18 — The Gut & Mental Health
0:29 — Type 3 Enneagram Deep Dive & Uncovering Jamie’s Serial Killer Trait
0:39 — Enneagram Type 3 (for real)
0:52 — A Quick Aside for Amanda Fucking Gorman
0:56 — What We’re Reading
1:04 — Book Chat: Uncomfortable Conversations With a Black Man
1:21 — What We’re Watching
1:27 — February Book Pick Announced

006: On the World’s Greatest Wine Filter, January 6th, Anti-Inflammatory Diets & J’s Big Reckoning Jan 22, 2021

In this episode, Jamie and Lo reflect on January 6, 2021 and what will be forever remembered as one of the more horrifying moments in United States history. The realities of America are harsh and there is so much work left to be done.

Then they pivot into Lo’s new health and wellness segment wherein she takes listener questions and deep dives into some important nutrition topics. Reminder: she is not yet a nutrition professional, so any and all recommendations/guidance are purely based upon her current studies and should not be taken in place of or without the guidance of a medical professional (aka please don’t sue us).
Later, Jamie does what she never wants to do ever again: a deep dive into enneagram type 2. Psychoanalyzing yourself is never pleasant and she is glad to be moving from her personal reckoning back to judging others.

The ladies conclude with an exciting book-related announcement that fans of #JLoReads will not want to miss.

005: Richard, Horse Girls, Farm Porn and Mormon Mommy Bloggers Jan 06, 2021

On this episode, Jamie and Lo talk about Jamie's parenting journey...with sourdough starter, how Lo is relaxing these days, and very briefly about Mormon Mommy Bloggers because it is too terrifying to talk about at length (see here and note that Lo wisely comments that Mormonism probably shouldn't exclusively bear the brunt and that there is probably this level of crazy just about everywhere but… alas, we are here).
Later, Jamie does a deep dive into enneagram type 9 and they try to figure out if they should read the Bridgerton series before watching the TV adaptation. The answer is no.
As always, they talk a lot. Welcome to 2021, folks.

004: On Inconveniencing Men (*gasp*), Maternal Instincts, and Saying Sionara to Sugar. Dec 10, 2020

Drink when we say COVID (or CNN).

In this episode, Jamie & Lo talk way too much about corona & pretend they know all the things about vaccinations. Lo laments about love in the time of COVID. She shares what she has learned about marital spats & the division of labor in the middle of a pandemic, while Jamie kicks a sugar habit & talks about her health journey. Both of them discuss their maternal instincts, or lack thereof.

Jamie does a deep dive of Enneagram Type 1 which you can access in its full glory HERE. Next up: Type 9!

003: On the Election, Continuing the Work with White Women, and Moving Mid-Pandemic?! Nov 19, 2020

In this episode, Jamie and Lo recount their reactions to the outcome of the contentious 2020 Presidential election and reflect on their emotions surrounding the current state of the U.S. Lo discusses what it feels like to move mid-Pandemic and doesn't remember what she read in October. Jamie, on the other hand, has a favorite of the month that she highly recommends.

BONUS: Interview with Carter Sickels, author of The Prettiest Star Oct 29, 2020

We were SO thrilled to sit down with Carter Sickels, the author of one of our favorite novels this year, The Prettiest Star. Carter is as thoughtful in person as you would imagine and we so enjoyed the few minutes we got to chat with him. The interview does contain some spoilers so if you haven't read this novel, waste no time. You will NOT regret picking this one up.

002: On Mars Day, Breonna Taylor, Human Software Upgrades and the Moon + Your Period Oct 01, 2020

In Episode 002 we discuss climate change and the fires in California, the frustrating ruling in Breonna Taylor’s case from a legal perspective, when to expect a human software upgrade (thank you, Gwyenth Paltrow), the crazy shit the planets are up to for the last quarter of the year and lladddiieesss… how the moon may affect your cycle. Yep. Cycles on cycles. Also, the enneagram. There is a conundrum happening, you’ll want to stay tuned.

001: On Not Parenting, Deep Privilege and Face Reading Sep 03, 2020

Jamie and Lo talk in-depth about quarantine brain and “collective trauma”, how a recent book they both read lead them to uncover even more white privilege, all served up with sides of astrology, enneagram, Indian Matchmaking, and what they are excited to read in September.

Here we go... Aug 03, 2020

What can we say, we love a teaser. Stay tuned for the first episode out September 3, 2020... until then: learn the story behind the name and what you can expect from our chats moving forward.

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