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    True Crime

    True Crime Conversations

    True Crime Conversations explores the world’s most notorious crimes by speaking to the people who know the most about them. Hosted by Gemma Bath.

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    Perfect Murder Or Tragic Accident: What Happened To Rebecca Zahau Feb 05, 2020
    Show notes

    Rebecca Zahau was in the bathroom when she heard a bang. It was July 11, 2011, and the 32-year-old was caring for six-year-old Max Shacknai, the son of her 54-year-old boyfriend, Jonah Shacknai. Jonah was a millionaire and the CEO of a successful pharmaceutical group and Rebecca had been dating him for two years.

    At first she thought the bang was a dog barking but when she ran towards it, she set off an unthinkable chain of events that would eventually lead to the loss of two innocent lives.

    In this episode Jessie sits down with Derrick Levasseur, a retired police sergeant and licensed private investigator from Rhode Island in the United States. Over the course of his career, Derrick has received multiple awards, including the Medal of Valor, which is the highest honour a police officer can receive.

    Derrick also researched the case of Rebecca Zahau, who was found hanging naked from the balcony of her boyfriend, Jonah’s, mansion in California 2011.

    Her death would divide investigators and law enforcement.

    CREDITS

    Guest: Derrick Levasseur

    Hotst: Jessie Stephens

    Producer/Editor: Elise Cooper

    CONTACT US

    Tell us what you think of the show via email at truecrime@mamamia.com.au or on the PodPhone 02 8999 9386.

    Join our closed Facebook community to discuss this episode. Just search True Crime Conversations on Facebook or follow this link https://bit.ly/3982S5P

    RESEARCH

    • Breaking Homicide, hosted by Derrick Levasseur, Investigation Channel, Foxtel Australia https://bit.ly/2RWW5pY
    • ABC 10 NEWS USA Rebecca Zahau's boyfriend testifies https://bit.ly/2RY3ULT
    • NBC 7 San Diego “Adam Shacknai Answers "Did You Kill Rebecca Zahau?" https://bit.ly/397e2YE
    • ABC 10 NEWS USA Coronado Mansion Deaths Ruled Accident & Suicide, https://bit.ly/2v6yUjQ

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    Katherine Knight: The Abattoir Murderer Of Aberdeen Jan 29, 2020
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    It was 6am on March 1, 2000, when John Price’s neighbour noticed his car was still in the driveway. It struck him as unusual.

    John’s supervisor noticed his absence at work too. An off-handed comment he’d made the day before made his co-workers feel uneasy.

    At 8:10am, Officer Matthews and Officer Furlonger arrived at John’s home.

    His front door was locked. The two police men decided to walk around the side of the house, and break in through the back door. What they saw has been described as one of the worst scenes in Australian criminal history. A judge would later refer to what happened as “beyond contemplation in a civilised society”. The horrific actions of Katherine Knight resulted in her being one of the few women in Australia’s criminal history to be handed a sentence that will see her imprisoned for the term of her natural life.

    Jessie Stephens sits down with journalist and author Sandra Lee to look into the mind of Katherine Knight, to find out what lead her to murder her ex-partner in such a horrific manner. You can find Sandra’s writing on Katherine Knight, Beyond Bad: The Life and Times of Katherine Knight at all good bookstores.

    RESEARCH

    • Beyond Bad: The Life And Times Of Katherine Knight by Sandra Lee https://bit.ly/3176Usn
    • Inside Story: Twisted Minds, Season 1 Episode 8, 9 Network https://bit.ly/2ta6YLy
    • Crimes That Shook Australia: Katherine May Knight https://imdb.to/2O7qDDg
    • R v Knight [2001] NSWSC 1011 (8 November 2001), Supreme Court (NSW, Australia). https://bit.ly/36CQN6W

    CREDITS

    Guest: Sandra Lee

    Hotst: Jessie Stephens

    Producer/Editor: Elise Cooper

    CONTACT US

    Tell us what you think of the show via email at truecrime@mamamia.com.au or on the PodPhone 02 8999 9386.

    Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

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    The Claremont Serial Killer Jan 22, 2020
    Show notes

    Claremont was a buzzing, wealthy suburb, about 20 minutes from Perth, Western Australia. With pubs and bars along wide, safe streets. It was known for its nightlife, with patrons often spilling out onto the footpath in the early hours of the morning. But that all changed in 1996 when the disappearance of three young women made national headlines.

    Claremont would become the backdrop for one of Western Australia’s biggest, longest-running and expensive investigations, which as of yet, has not been solved.

    But more than 23 years later, as this episode is published, a man is sitting on trial, facing eight charges for the murders of Sarah Jane Spiers, Jane Louise Rimmer, and Ciara Eilish Glennon.

    Journalist Natalie Bonjolo speaks to Jessie about the case of the Claremont Serial Killer. Natalie is an executive producer on the Claremont Serial Killings podcast for the West Australian where she has been following the trial as it unfolds and working alongside journalists who've been reporting on the case since the first woman, Sarah Spiers, went missing on a January night in 1996.

    CREDITS

    Guest: Natalie Bonjolo

    Host: Jessie Stephens

    Producer and Editor: Elise Cooper

    RESEARCH

    CLAREMONT: The Claremont Serial Killings podcast from The West Australian https://bit.ly/2sLouFD

    7 News Perth, Accused Claremont serial killer Bradley Edwards has pleaded guilty to five of eight charges against him 7 Network https://bit.ly/2G9XimX

    7 News Perth, Victim statement in court about the night she was raped by Bradley Robert Edwards, 7 Network https://bit.ly/2unFIt2

    CONTACT US

    If you have a case you'd like to hear on True Crime Conversations send us an email at truecrime@mamamia.com.au

    Join our Facebook group True Crime Conversations here https://bit.ly/2xrjAMZ

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    Best Of 2019: The Case Of Balcony Murderer Simon Gittany Jan 08, 2020
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    This episode of True Crime Conversations is part of our 2019/2020 Holiday series. We've handpicked episodes from throughout the year that we though deserved another listen.

    In 2014 Simon Gittany was found guilty of throwing his 30 year old fiancé Lisa Harnum from the balcony of their shared 15th floor apartment.

    Simon maintained his innocence, saying that Lisa climbed over the railing of the balcony and fell to her death.

    Amy Dale was a court reporter at the time of this case and has subsequently written a book titled The Fall about Lisa’s murder.

    Jessie Stephens sits down with Amy to take us through the case, from the infamous CCTV footage of Simon in the apartment building lift moments after Lisa was killed, the images of Simon dragging Lisa back into their apartment, the couples abusive relationship, and Simon’s insistence of his innocence.

    This episode contains discussions of domestic violence. If you or someone you know is experiencing an abusive relationship please seek help via Lifeline and the Domestic Violence Alert portal on their website. https://www.dvalert.org.au/

    The Lisa Harnum foundation is a resource giving a voice to women experiencing domestic violence. You can visit them at their website https://www.lisahf.org.au/

    Join our Facebook group True Crime Conversations here https://bit.ly/2xrjAMZ

    CREDITS

    GUEST: Amy Dale

    HOST: Jessie Stephens

    PRODUCER: Elise Cooper

    RESEARCH
    The Fall by Amy Dale https://bit.ly/2ksg6GZ

    Court Documents; R v Gittany, Trial by judge alone https://bit.ly/2ktnkuk

    Joan Harnum Exclusive Interview A Current Affair Nine Network https://bit.ly/2lD5KnI

    Ex Detectives Speak About Simon Gittany’s Explosive Temper Sunrise 7 Network https://bit.ly/2lUwgJr

    Simon Gittany’s Secret Life, Sunday Night 7 Network https://yhoo.it/2lEPaDZ

    Simon Gittany Found Guilty Of Murdering Fianceé Lisa Harnum 10 Eyewitness News Channel 10 https://bit.ly/2ksg2ad

    Simon Gittany Loses Appeal 7 News Sydney Channel 7 https://bit.ly/2lwUIka

    Balcony Killer Simon Gittany Loses Appeal Against Conviction For Murdering Lisa Harnum, The Daily Telegraph, Amy Dale

    Simon Gittany’s Violent Past Revealed ABC NEWS

    Joan Harnum Hopes Daughter’s Case Will Be A “Powerful Wake-Up Call” ABC NEWS https://bit.ly/2lxdt72

    GET IN TOUCH:

    Call the PodPhone on 02 8999 9386.

    Email the show at truecrime@mamamia.com.au

    True Crime Conversations is a podcast by Mamamia. Find more shows herehttps://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts

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    Best Of 2019: The Bowraville Murders Jan 01, 2020
    Show notes

    This episode of True Crime Conversations is part of our 2019/2020 Holiday series. We've handpicked episodes from throughout the year that we though deserved another listen

    Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander listeners should be advised that this episode contains the naming of deceased people, and the recounting of the circumstances leading to their deaths.

    Colleen Walker, Evelyn Greenup and Clinton Speedy-Duroux. These are the names of three children from the town of Bowraville who were murdered over five months across 1990 and 1991. There has only ever been one suspect in their murders but to this day they’ve never stood trial for those crimes. Author Dan Box covered the case and he joins us to explore what could have happened to these three kids. And why Australia still doesn’t care enough about the lives of these Indigenous children to bring justice to the families and the Bowraville community.

    Join our Facebook group True Crime Conversations here https://bit.ly/2xrjAMZ

    CREDITS

    GUEST: Dan Box

    HOST: Jessie Stephens

    PRODUCER: Elise Cooper

    RESEARCH

    • ‘Bowraville’ by Dan Box - https://bit.ly/2LczKCK
    • ABC News ‘Unsolved Bowraville Murders to be Reconsidered’ - https://bit.ly/2XDgPaM
    • NITV ‘Justice, Just Us’ Bowraville Special Forum https://bit.ly/2Xzc8i0
    • NSW Aboriginal Land Rights Council Bowraville protest https://bit.ly/2G4VbBj
    • NITV News ‘Failed By The System: The Bowraville Children’s Murders’ https://bit.ly/2SeSfHr

    GET IN TOUCH:

    Call the PodPhone on 02 8999 9386.

    Email the show at podcast@mamamia.com.au

    True Crime Conversations is a podcast by Mamamia. Find more shows here https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts

    Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


    Best Of 2019: The Beauty Queen Killer Dec 25, 2019
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    This episode of True Crime Conversations is part of our 2019 Holiday series. We've handpicked episodes from throughout the year that we though deserved another listen.

    Christopher Wilder is the Australian serial killer responsible for the biggest man hunt in US history. Wilder lured his victims by posing as a talent agent and model scout and beauty pageants across America. His modus operandi of kidnapping, torture, sexual assault and ultimately murder, spoke so deeply of his utter hatred of women.

    In recent years it’s been speculated that Wilder is also responsible for one of the biggest cold cases in NSW criminal history; the Wanda Beach murders.

    Author Andrew Byrne has researched and documented the crimes of Wilder in his latest book The Pretty Girl Killer. He joins host Jessie Stephens to explore the pure evil that was Christopher Wilder

    You can buy Andrew Byrne’s book The Pretty Girl Killer online and at all good book stores.

    CREDITS

    GUEST: Andrew Byrne

    HOST: Jessie Stephens

    SENIOR PRODUCER/EDITOR: Elise Cooper

    Research

    The Pretty Girl Killer by Andrew Byrne https://bit.ly/2OW7vLh

    Serial Killers; Christopher Wilder, The Beauty Queen Killer

    FBI: The Untold Stories - The Kidnapping of Tina Risico

    Mystery and a Spree Killer. Law and Ordnance. July 22, 2009

    New York Daily News “Beauty Queen Killer” 1984

    GET IN TOUCH:

    Call the PodPhone on 02 8999 9386.

    Email the show at truecrime@mamamia.com.au

    True Crime Conversations is a podcast by Mamamia. Find more shows here.

    Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


    The Sydney Siege: Part Two Dec 18, 2019
    Show notes

    15 hostages remain. For some, 10 hours of terror still awaits them.

    On the afternoon of December 15, 2014, offices were evacuated and rumours spread of bombs planted all around Sydney city, while hostages remained trapped inside the Lindt Cafe in Martin Place.

    One of Sydney’s most bustling pedestrian thoroughfares, which sat on the doorstep of the Lindt Cafe, was empty and deathly silent. Terrified men and women could be seen inside the large windows, a stark contrast to the festive Christmas decorations that hung beside them.

    Even though Man Monis, a radicalised terrorist, had forced hostages to turn in their mobile phones, some had hidden theirs within the cafe, meaning messages were slowly trickling out.

    Monis’ demands were not being met by police, radio stations or the Prime Minister at the time, Tony Abbott, and he was becoming increasingly agitated.

    But it was when three men escaped, that Monis’ temper reached a crescendo. With a gun to hostage Louisa Hope’s back, he threatened to shoot.

    These wouldn’t be the last hostages to escape over the course of the 16 hour siege, and it wouldn’t be the last time Monis threatened to shoot.

    In part two, we begin with the second escape, and the response of Monis, who was becoming more agitated by the minute.

    Listen to part one of our Sydney Siege series here https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/true-crime-conversations/the-sydney-siege/

    Click through to our website for photos and maps to accompany this episode. https://www.mamamia.com.au/lindt-cafe-sydney-siege/

    Mia Freedman has also interviewed siege survivor Louisa Hope on the No Filter podcast. You can listen to that full interview here https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/no-filter/louisa-hope-sydney-siege/.

    Be part of our big annual podcast survey - https://surveys.globaltestmarket.com/survey/selfserve/1aab/13100768/13100768_CS

    Join our closed Facebook group where episodes are discussed by searching True Crime Conversations on Facebook.

    GUEST: Deborah Snow

    HOST: Jessie Stephens

    PRODUCER: Elise Cooper

    ADDITIONAL AUDIO AND RESEARCH

    “Siege: The powerful and uncompromising story of what happened inside the Lindt Cafe and why the police response went so tragically wrong” by Deborah Snow https://bit.ly/38n1tJ9

    4 Corners “The Siege: Part Two - A Four Corners special two-part investigation” ABC Television https://bit.ly/2LZDIxl

    60 Minutes Australia “The Siege Survivors” Channel 9 Network https://bit.ly/2M1PS8S

    Sky News Australia “Two more hostages escape Sydney cafe siege” Sky Network Television https://bit.ly/2S99k7F

    Euronews “Sydney siege: Five hostages flee cafe” Euro News Network

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    The Sydney Siege: Part One Dec 11, 2019
    Show notes

    It was looking to be a warm, busy day when Tori Johnson arrived at work just after 6am on a Monday morning in December 2014. The 34-year-old was in charge at the Lindt cafe in Martin Place, and the lead up to Christmas was always chaotic, with customers purchasing gifts, like the iconic chocolate Lindt balls, for friends and family.

    At 7:30am, the doors opened, with customers flooding in. Among them were 38-year-old barrister Katrina Dawson, with colleagues Julie Taylor and Stefan Balafoutis. They were seated next to a mother and daughter, Robin and Louisa Hope, who even remarked on Katrina’s beautiful shoes.

    But just after 8:30am, a broad shouldered man with a baseball cap and backpack walked in, at first completely unnoticed.

    It was only when we he demanded some time afterwards that every door be immediately locked, that the 18 people inside the cafe realised something was seriously wrong.

    Click through to our website for photos and maps to accompany this episode. https://www.mamamia.com.au/lindt-cafe-sydney-siege/

    Mia Freedman has also interviewed siege survivor Louisa Hope on the No Filter podcast. You can listen to that full interview here https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/no-filter/louisa-hope-sydney-siege/.

    Join our closed Facebook group where episodes are discussed by searching True Crime Conversations on Facebook.

    GUEST: Deborah Snow
    HOST: Jessie Stephens
    PRODUCER: Elise Cooper

    RESEARCH

    “Siege: The powerful and uncompromising story of what happened inside the Lindt Cafe and why the police response went so tragically wrong” by Deborah Snow https://bit.ly/38n1tJ9

    7:30 Report “Sydney siege inquest builds picture of Man Haron Monis' 'bizarre, delusional' world” Australian Broadcasting Corporation https://ab.co/35hMXRb

    Arirang News “Australian PM says gunman was known to authorities, but not on watch list” https://bit.ly/2LG1Vs7

    10 Eyewitness News, Amirah Droudis Found Guilty Of Murdering Man Haron Monis’ Ex Wife, Channel 10 https://bit.ly/2YyyE7V
    The Telegraph Sydney Siege: 'Islamist gunman' holds hostages inside cafe https://bit.ly/3456aUK

    60 Minutes Australia: “The Siege Survivors” Channel 9 Network

    “'Spiritual healer' Man Haron Monis charged with an extra 40 sexual offences”, October 13th 2014, Nick Ralston for The Sydney Morning Herald


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    John Edwards And The Family Murder That Shook Australia Dec 04, 2019
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    On a winter evening in July, 2018, West Pennant Hills sounded different. Usually quiet, the Thursday evening was polluted by blasting police sirens, all headed towards Hull Rd. When emergency personnel arrived, they came across a scene they wouldn’t ever forget.

    An hour later, 36-year-old Olga Edwards arrived home from work to find her house surrounded by police and paramedics. When she was told what had happened inside, she collapsed from “severe shock”.

    Her children, 15-year-old Jack Edwards, and 13-year-old Jennifer Edwards, had been murdered.

    The family murder which took place in West Pennant Hills shook Australia. And six months later, the story became ever more tragic.

    We speak to Crime Reporter for The Sydney Morning Herald, Sally Rawsthorne, who covered the case as it unfolded.

    Please contact Lifeline is the contents of this episode bring up any issues for you on 13 11 14 https://www.lifeline.org.au/

    GUEST: Sally Rawsthorne https://twitter.com/sallyrawsthorne
    HOST: Jessie Stephens
    PRODUCER: Elise Cooper

    RESEARCH

    • “Killer John Edwards’ Secret Family”, Sally Rawsthorne and Angus Thompson for Sydney Morning Herald https://bit.ly/35SdrIK
    • “How A Father Planned The Execution Of His Two Children” Lucy Cormack and Sally Rawsthorne for Sydney Morning Herald https://bit.ly/2YcQ5Lj
    • 7 News Sydney “West Pennant Hills father John Edwards shot dead his children Jack and Jennifer in July before taking his own life” 7 Network https://bit.ly/2OLX3DJ
    • “When John Edwards murdered his children, schoolmates couldn’t believe it — but his sister could” Jane Fife-Yeomans & Danielle Gusmaroli for The Daily Telegraph https://bit.ly/34PpBSG
    • 9 News Sydney “The shooting murder of two West Pennant Hills teenagers by their father has brought the issue of gun control firmly to the table.” Channel 9 https://bit.ly/2DOsruZ

    INTERNATIONAL COUNSELLING AND SUPPORT SERVICES

    USA - https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/
    UK - https://www.supportline.org.uk/
    NZ - https://www.lifeline.org.nz/

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    It Took 30 Years To Solve The Mystery Of What Happened To Ursula Barwick Nov 28, 2019
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    In late Spring, 1987, 17-year-old Ursula Barwick, stepped off the platform, and boarded a train from Tuggerah on the Central Coast, bound for Sydney.

    The journey would take a little more than two hours and land her in Kings Cross. She’d told her parents she had work and accommodation lined up, and would call them as soon as she arrived.

    Her father, Peter, planned to come down that weekend to help get her settled in. It would be her first time living properly out of home.

    But that phone call from Ursula, saying she’d arrived safe and sound, never arrived.

    And it would be 30 years before they would finally learn why.

    An episode of Australian Story titled ‘Forever Young’, which aired on November 25, 2019, explores the case of Ursula Barwick.

    We speak to the producer of Australian Story, award-winning journalist Winsome Denyer, about what happened to Ursula back in October, 1987.

    GUEST: Winsome Denyer https://www.abc.net.au/news/winsome-denyer/7991864

    HOST: Jessie Stephens

    PRODUCER: Elise Cooper

    RESEARCH

    ‘Forever Young’ for Australian Story, ABC https://www.abc.net.au/austory/forever-young/11724732

    Lost Then Found: The disappearance of Ursula Barwick, Winsome Denyer for abc.net.au https://ab.co/2OrTId6

    'For 30 years, Ursula's family thought she was missing. She had been buried under the wrong name' Jessica Staveley for Mamamia https://www.mamamia.com.au/ursula-barwick/

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