Time To Say Goodbye

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Hope in a time of war, with Neta Crawford Mar 08, 2022

Hello from a South Korean ballot box! (Tammy wishes.)

This week, Andy and Tammy talk to the political scientist Neta C. Crawford* of Boston University (soon, Oxford University) about the human and ecological costs of the war in Ukraine, the China dimension, and what a global movement for peace should strive for.

Plus: Andy discusses his review essay on Chinese economic history and neoliberalism in The Nation; Tammy freaks out over the imminent South Korean presidential election and reflects on outgoing leader Moon Jae-in; and Andy reveals his secret recipe for Whole Foods salmon poke (YouTube).

Some links:

* Brown’s invaluable Costs of War project, co-directed by Neta

* Neta commenting on war crimes against civilians

* Neta’s forthcoming book, The Pentagon, Climate Change, and War

* Rohini Hensman on the long history of Russia–Ukraine

* Isaac Chotiner’s interview with John Mearsheimer

* Tammy’s profile of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

* Apols for mispronouncing “Neta” at the top of the show. It’s NEE-TA.

Also: stripe twins!

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* “Ukraine: What Russia wants, what the West can do,” Anatol Lieven, Responsible Statecraft

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Ukraine with Sophie Pinkham Mar 01, 2022

Hello from our doomscroll…

Today we talk about—what else?—the events in Ukraine this past week :-(

We chat with Sophie Pinkham, an essayist, reporter, and expert on the region. In 2016, she published Black Square: Adventures in Post-Soviet Ukraine (read an excerpt in Dissent). She has written about politics after the Maidan protests (The New Yorker), the election of President Volodymyr Zelensky (The New York Review of Books), and, just yesterday, Zelensky and the war (New York).

We discuss our initial reactions to the news of invasion, why so many people didn’t expect it to happen, U.S. jingoism, the impact of social media and propaganda, criticisms of “the left,” speculations about the future, and the comparability of China–Taiwan.

Some stuff we’ve been reading:

* “A letter to the Western Left from Kyiv,” Taras Bilous, Open Democracy

* “News from Natoland,” Tariq Ali, New Left Review

* Background on history and political economy in Adam Tooze’s newsletter

* Friends of the show Michelle Kuo and Albert Wu on reactions to Ukraine from Taiwan.

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RIP Christina Yuna Lee and Michelle Go + San Francisco school board recall Feb 22, 2022

Hi from the United States of empire!

The podsquad reunites in Amurica. This week, we talk about the murders of two women in New York City and the recall of school board members in San Francisco.

Christina Yuna Lee and Michelle Go died in nightmarish attacks. We process our feelings and explore how Asian Americans, policymakers, and members of the general public are interpreting/using the women’s deaths. Why do we always fall back on law-enforcement responses? How do stigmas against people who aren’t housed, or those who have mental illness, affect our analysis of “hate crimes”? How are Asian communities in New York and New Jersey responding? What does women’s safety mean? What’s the abolitionist horizon?

San Franciscans recently voted to remove three people from the school board—and Asian Americans were a big part of the action. Jay wrote about how this all boils down to anxiety over admissions to a selective high school. But the recall might also be seen as a tech-funded campaign against all things “woke.” What’s going on? How do immigrant politics graft onto the US’s left-right spectrum? Are Asian voters basically social Darwinians? What does this mean for criminal-legal policy, specifically the upcoming Chesa Boudin recall? For Asian-American organizing?

Thanks to the PNW listeners who came to our IRL lunch over the weekend. And thanks to all of you for supporting the pod. Stay in touch via Substack or:

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Photo credit: Tim Davis

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BOOK TIME with Eugene Lim Feb 15, 2022

Today’s episode is a conversation with Eugene Lim, the author of the novel Search History. Eugene’s one of our favorite writers. We talk about experimental fiction, Asian writers, Eugene’s life as a school librarian, what constitutes good and bad writing, identity questions in fiction, and we even take questions from the audience who watched this talk on Discord.

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Beijing Olympics and Linsanity Feb 08, 2022

Hi from Seoul!

The podsquad returns for a wide-ranging chat on all things, sort of, broadly, sometimes diasporically China.

Awkwafina made the rounds on social media, with a screenshot semi-apology(?) regarding her use of Black speech. We offer a hermeneutic reading.

It’s the 10th anniversary of Linsanity. What did, and what does, Jeremy mean to Asian America? Jay and Andy revisit analyses from the time.

Chinese government bros have upped their game, offense and defense, on English-language Twitter. What’s the use of an official reply guy?

And finally, we’re watching the Olympics in Beijing! Yes, all Olympics are terrible (insert leftist critique), but so are the short track judges, says Tammy. Plus: Andy on the opening ceremonies and Jay on Eileen Gu.

We have an IRL picnic coming up in Seattle and an ongoing book club. Subscribe and join our Discord community to find out more.

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'Ascension' and the Chinese Dream, with Jessica Kingdon and Kira Simon-Kennedy Feb 01, 2022

Hello from a crypto farm in rural China!

This week Andy talks with the director (Jessica Kingdon) and producer (Kira Simon-Kennedy) of the new film Ascension, a documentary about working life in contemporary China. Ascension has received critical acclaim and garnered major awards and nominations, including being shortlisted for the Academy Awards!

The film features scenes of quotidian working life in a period when the government has begun to promote the “Chinese Dream,” spanning textile and sex doll factories to etiquette school and social media influencers all the way to luxurious water parks and tropical vacation resorts. Together, these scenes raise provocative questions about China’s blindingly rapid development, the uneven pace of upward mobility, and whether China is an exotic outlier or a recognizably modern society, comparable with life in the US and other societies worldwide (all to music by Dan Deacon).

Jessica and Kira took the time to chat with us and many from our Discord community about the film’s initial conception, the origins of the title and Jessica’s own exploration of family history, the strangeness of the major award circuit, and the ethics of making a commercial documentary. They also break down many of the more memorable scenes, including a dinner party among the ultra-rich and a crypto farm in the middle of the countryside.

You can look for ways to watch it on the film’s website, the linktree, and its IG account.

But for most of us, the easiest way to watch it at home is to subscribe to and stream from Paramount+ (look for trial offers!).

The second half of this episode consists of questions from our Discord members. If you’re interested in joining the conversation with us and tons of other cool people, please think about subscribing! Check us out via Patreon and Substack, contact us via email (timetosaygoodbyepod@gmail.com), Twitter, and the Discord!

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Inflated burritos and SCOTUS race quotas Jan 25, 2022

Hi from a Korean hot-stone bed!

It’s Jay and Tammy this week, talking trash about Andy.

Plus:

* Pandemic alcoholism and human bonds: We read and discuss an essay in Jezebel, “I Got Sober in the Pandemic. It Saved My Life.” What has this tragic time clarified and obscured? What’s the off-ramp?

* Does a day-trader’s lunch budget say anything about inflation? People were mad about this New York Times story, but the Big Mac Index remains durable (Tammy gets the description about half-right). The tech stock market (read: Peloton, Netflix, Amazon) seems less durable.

* The Supreme Court will hear the Harvard / University of North Carolina case on affirmative action, with Asian American plaintiffs front and center. We assess the history of race and class in admissions and consider the wedge that is Asian America.

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Racism, speech, and tenure + "we Americans" on China Jan 18, 2022

Greetings from the Philly planetarium!

This week, we discuss academic tenure, “disgusting” ideas, and left foreign policy.

0:00 – A troll-y tenured law prof at UPenn is back on her race-science kick—this time, arguing on Glenn Loury’s interview show that, “the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration.” What to do about Amy Wax and the Amy Waxes of the world? Should her tenure be repealed, as local politicians are demanding? Who and what is tenure for? Is it about free speech? Workers’ rights?

58:30 – Does this issue intersect with tech companies’ censorship via terms of service?

1:08:00 – If you’re on China/international relations/war/basketball/tech Twitter, you’ll have seen that Chamath went full-on tankie… which relates to the debate over a recent article in The Nation: “What Should the Left Do About China?” by David Klion. The piece explores the lefty political spectrum, and features input from Andy and several friends of the pod. We dig in on the question of how complicit we are as “Americans.” In a time of (cold-)warring hegemons, what kind of dissenters should we be?

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Blaming teachers' unions for Covid Jan 11, 2022

Hello from pandemic year 3!

There seems to be a panic over school closures—and a backlash against teachers and their unions. But how many US public schools have had to “go remote” because of Covid? Are these physical closures reasonable? Why are people blaming educators for everything from “learning loss” to the downfall of the Democratic party? What “shock doctrine” tactics do we need to look out for?

Check out:

* Jay in The New York Times, on the value of public schools and a post-Hurricane Katrina cautionary tale

* A common, cynical take in The Atlantic

* Arguments for parent-teacher solidarity in The New Yorker and Jacobin

* An explainer on the teacher shortage and our stingy approach to public K–12 education, at Vox

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RIP 2021 and "Don't Look Up" Jan 04, 2022

New year, new pod!

“Same pod, though…”

0:00 – We discuss various New Year’s Day soups and East Asian black beans.

7:50 – Many influential writers died at the end of 2021. We explore the legacies of Joan Didion, bell hooks, and historian Jonathan Spence.

44:40 – Why is the Netflix climate change film, “Don’t Look Up,” so polarizing? Written by Adam McKay and Bernie pal David Sirota, and starring basically all of Hollywood, it has inspired a lot of commentary. Is it a good leftist film? Is it funny? Effective? What about its portrayal of the media and academia? (Check out these think-pieces from “Money on the Left” and Current Affairs.)

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Gary Shteyngart, our country friend Dec 21, 2021

Hello from a pandemic bungalow!

This week, we are joined by Gary Shteyngart, creator of the brilliant new novel, Our Country Friends. We talk about immigrant fiction, elite high schools, exile feelings, the Asian pop-cultural future, and Gary’s run-in with a fascist elementary school teacher.

Gary is the author of the memoir Little Failure (2014) and four previous novels: Super Sad True Love Story (2010), Lake Success (2018), Absurdistan (2007), and The Russian Debutante’s Handbook (2002). Also check out his recent essay in The New Yorker, “A Botched Circumcision and Its Aftermath.”

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Democrat dilemmas with Brian Stryker Dec 14, 2021

Hello from the Quiz Bowl room!

Today we’re talking with Democratic pollster and Andy’s high school friend Brian Stryker of ALG research.

Recently, the Democratic Party circulated a memo Brian wrote about the Democrats’ poor showing in some of the November elections and their uneven prospects for the 2022 midterms. You can read his interview with The New York Times here.

The main topics we hit on are: how much do cultural wedge issues like critical race theory matter over bread-and-butter questions like jobs, wages, and inflation; the balance between a focus on economic versus social issues; whether emphasizing “social justice” concerns could (ironically) deter Asian and Latino/a voters; and Brian’s crystal ball for the 2024 election.

0:00 – Tammy in Korea update

6:40 – Brian explains his polling research on the Virginia elections and what it tells us about the state of the Democrats: CRT, school closures, the economy and Covid stimulus plans, and supply chains.

17:40 – The prospect of Asian and Latino voters going Republican (see Jay’s pieces on this topic) and why the Democrats struggle to convey economic messages.

34:30 – The gap between the Democrats’ “white woke consultants” and the reality and diversity of “voters of color.” Is there common ground between patriotic Democrats and the left?

45:30 – How can the Democrats speak to different racial groups in a more nuanced way? What’s the role of organized labor in the Party? Is the future of the Dems just a lot of moderate POC candidates? Is the average POC more conservative than the average wealthy white liberal? And some scary thoughts about Trump 2024.

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Crypto leftism? With Alex Rivera Dec 07, 2021

Hello from a blockchain!

This week, Jay and Tammy talk with Alex Rivera, a filmmaker, media artist, immigrant rights activist, and MacArthur genius, about crypto.

What is crypto currency? How does it work? And why is it often cast as a right-wing, libertarian, carbon-depleting project?

Can the left reclaim crypto for the people? How might decentralized financial networks power social movements? Post-national transactions? Worker cooperatives? Global decision-making?

For more, check out:

* The National Day Laborer Organizing Network (Donate and get yourself some merch!)

* Alex and Cristina Ibarra’s film, The Infiltrators

* Alex’s film, Sleep Dealer(pictured above)

* Jay and Aaron Lammer’s podcast, “CoinTalk”

* Jay on his toad NFT

* Alex on border technologies, via “Tech Won’t Save Us”

* Crypto Communism by Mark Alizart, translated by Robin Mackay

* Murtaza Hussain on crypto remittances

* Crypto POC economies

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'History is not a straight line': on the Chinese Question with Prof. Mae Ngai Nov 30, 2021

Hello from the 19th century!

Today’s episode features Andy in conversation with Prof. Mae Ngai, Lung Family Professor of Asian American Studies and Professor of History at Columbia University. Her new book has just come out this fall, titled, The Chinese Question: the Gold Rushes and Global Politics. She takes a story we are somewhat familiar with but presents it in ambitious, new terms, tracing three major gold rushes from the 1850s to 1900s, across California, Australia, and South Africa, and along the way, the origins of Chinese communities in the Anglo-American world:

The gold rushes occasioned the first mass contact between Chinese and Euro-Americans. Unlike other encounters in Asian port cities and on Caribbean plantations, they met on the goldfields both in large numbers and on relatively equal terms, that is, as voluntary emigrants and independent prospectors. Race relations were not always conflictual, but the perception of competition gave rise to a racial politics expressed as the ‘Chinese Question.’

This is a history of labor and migration, but it is also a book about race and racial ideology. Ngai traces the origins of politics organized around Chinese, and eventually Asian, exclusion at the turn of the twentieth century in the world’s white settler colonies. It’s a story most popularly known by the 1882 Chinese Exclusion Act in the US, but it also had many parallels worldwide — a “global anti-Chinese ideology” that “gave rise to a global race theory,” as Ngai puts it.

We discuss the fine details of her research and then try to tease out some bigger implications of the “Chinese Question” for today.

(0:00): Mae’s own trajectory in migration and Asian American history and how she came to undertake this project.

(15:30): We dig into the Chinese Question: how did Mae wind up writing about Australia and South Africa? what was the “coolie myth” that dogged Chinese migrants in the 19th century? how did “free soil” and “anti-slavery” politics dovetail with racist exclusion laws? if Chinese migrants were not “coolies,” then what was life really like on the gold mines?

(44:15): The theoretical stakes of the Chinese Question: how to think about ‘race’ historically and the political value of doing so; Mae’s intervention into the headlines about anti-Asian violence during Covid; thoughts on the “racial pessimism” trend in academia and popular media and the relationship between “anti-Black” and “anti-Asian” racism; the “Chinese Question” today, e.g., the China initiative at universities, ongoing US-China tensions, and the flexible class politics of its racial ideology.

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Nothing to lose but your supply chains Nov 23, 2021

Hello from both sides of the Pacific!

This week, a reunited, international podsquad talks K-quarantine, Enes Kanter’s Sinopportunism, and how the left should think about the “supply chain crisis.”

* Tammy’s first few days in South Korean quarantine:

* What’s going on with the Celtics center’s anti-China rants (and shoes)?

* How can leftists think beyond shopping in our relationship to global supply chains? Tammy wrote about this recently for The New York Times, with a focus on port truckers. (Photos below by Sean Rayford.)

* More on the transport workforce here—by longshore activist Peter Olney, friend of the pod Charmaine Chua, and logistics scholars Jake Alimohamed-Wilson and Ellen Reese.

While recording this episode, the Korean media reported the death of the murderous dictator Chun Doo-hwan. Here’s cartoonist Kim Wan’s take: “karma” on the left; “Gwangju massacre” on the right.

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"Taiwan?" with New Bloom: Brian Hioe and Wen Liu Nov 16, 2021

Hello!

Guest episode this week with Andy talking to Brian Hioe and Wen Liu, writers and academics based in Taipei, with the online magazine New Bloom. We talk about the scary headlines warning of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, why the global left seems to dismiss Taiwan in favor of romanticizing the PRC, and what is the relationship between Asian and Asian American politics (if there is any)?

0:00 - Banter

7:00 - Recent headlines over the US’s commitment to defend China + Chinese fighter planes in Taiwanese air space + what is life like for regular Taiwanese people as a chip between two global superpowers + why New Bloom is skeptical about the probability of Chinese invasion.

22:00 - Why the western left reflexively dismisses Taiwanese concerns. We explore a few: PRC romanticism, anti-Republican Party liberalism, anti-US imperialism (esp. among Asian Americans), all kinds of weird racial assumptions, horseshoe anti-war politics, etc. And what Brian and Wen say in response to these.

58:30 - Some takeaways: what distinguishes a “leftist” position on Taiwan? what is the ideal relation between Taiwan and China? what can people in the rest of the world “do”? what is the role of Asian American and Asian diasporic politics for Asia, and vice versa?

Stuff mentioned/reference materials:

* Brian’s recent piece on Taiwan for Spectre journal

* John Oliver’s recent 20-minute history + summary of Taiwanese politics

* The Intercept’s recent weird piece on Taiwan

* Brian interviews Wen about activism and the 2014 Sunflower Movement

* Last June, we first talked with Brian about the “tankie” phenomenon

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Another election, another culture war Nov 09, 2021

Hello from our election hangover!

This week, we talk about last week’s mid-mid-mid-midterm results.

* Did the very rich Republican win Virginia’s gubernatorial race on account of critical race theory—or not?

* Are the Democrats continuing to lose the Asian/Latinx/POC vote?

* Should we take hope in local progressive wins? (Yay, Boston, Missoula, Dearborn, Hamtramck, Cleveland…)

* Whatever happened to bread and butter economic concerns like housing and healthcare?

Plus: podsquad digressions and a Taiwan preview.

See you at the subscriber-only Ishiguro book club tomorrow!

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Kori Graves on Black Korean adoptees Nov 02, 2021

Hello from HISTORY!

This week, Tammy interviews Professor Kori A. Graves, a historian of adoption and the family at the University at Albany, SUNY.

Kori’s 2020 book, A War Born Family: African American Adoption in the Wake of the Korean War, explores how Black Americans came to adopt Black Korean children.

Tammy and Kori talk about the history of transnational, transracial adoption — and the special place of Korea and the Korean diaspora in adoptee activism and the contemporary architecture of family.

For more on this subject, Kori recommends:

* Global Families: A History of Asian International Adoption in America by Catherine Ceniza Choy

* Adopted Territory: Transnational Korean Adoptees and the Politics of Belonging by Eleana J. Kim

* Disrupting Kinship: Transnational Politics of Korean Adoption in the United States by Kimberly D. McKee

* “Side x Side” (documentary film project) by Glenn Morey and Julie Morey

* To Save the Children of Korea by Arissa H. Oh

* Framed by War: Korean Children and Women at the Crossroads of US Empire by Susie Woo

Tammy adds:

* All You Can Ever Know: A Memoir by Nicole Chung

* Interrogation Room (poetry) by Jennifer Kwon Dobbs

* Dust of the Streets: The Journey of a Biracial Orphan of the Korean War by Thomas Park Clement

* “Made in Korea: A One Way Ticket Seoul-Amsterdam?” (film) by In-Soo Radstake

* Palimpsest: Documents from a Korean Adoption(graphic novel) by Lisa Wool-Rim Sjöblom

* The Language of Blood: A Memoir by Jane Jeong Trenka

* Older Sister. Not Necessarily Related.: A Memoirby Jenny Heijun Wills

On November 16, Also-Known-As will host an event with deported adoptees. Register for free:

Tomorrow, November 3, catch Andy at NYU’s Skirball Center (via Zoom; register for free), in conversation with Prof. Charmaine Chua of UC-Santa Barbara. He’ll revisit some themes in his “‘Chinese Virus,’ World Market” essay from March 2020 in n+1 — twenty months later, twenty months into the pandemic!

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Ultimate Kangbook episode Oct 26, 2021

Note: Apologies for resending + reposting; some technical errors earlier.

Hi from TMZ studio!

Like all of Asian American Twitter, we’ve been talking about The Loneliest Americans quite a bit. But this week, Andy and Tammy get a full-on, personal Jay AMA.

Thanks to all our new listeners and everyone who joined our Discord subscriber book club last week.

Event announcement:

Next week, on November 3rd, Andy will be giving a talk at NYU’s Skirball Center (via Zoom), in conversation with Prof. Charmaine Chua of UC-Santa Barbara, Global Studies. He’ll revisit some themes in his “‘Chinese Virus,’ World Market” essay from March 2020 in n+1 — twenty months later, twenty months into the pandemic!

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Kangbook, "umami," Striketober Oct 19, 2021

Hello from the John Deere picket line!

This week is, um, eclectic and slightly technologically challenged. Thanks for bearing with us.

4:15 – Jay’s book is out! Thursday evening, Oct. 21, Jay will be doing a Discord AMA about The Loneliest Americans. It’s for subscribers only, so if you want to ask Jay any burning questions about the book, sign up now via Patreon or Substack!

7:13 – MSG—we all love it, even though it’s bad for us. Or is it? We discuss a recent piece (short and fun) about the history of the seasoning, the veracity of “Chinese restaurant syndrome,” and MSG’s rebranding as umami.

27:49 – TTSG labor reporter Tammy Kim updates us on “Striketober.” From John Deere to Hollywood to healthcare, we are seeing record unemployment (quitting! switching sectors!) and labor militancy. Tammy is here to break it all down for us.

56:40 – Joe Manchin is holding up the Biden infrastructure bill and gutting our hopes for a livable climate. WTF?!?!

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"The Loneliest": Jay's book + Kidneygate Oct 12, 2021

Hello from a spicy group chat!

This week, we begin by celebrating the release of Jay’s book, The Loneliest Americans, which was just excerpted in NYT Mag. Congrats, Kang!Order it now for yourself and family and friends!

Then, we talk the Kidneygate controversy (from the same issue of NYT Mag) aka Bad Art Friend, the long story based on a short story that launched a million Discord chats. Who’s really “kind”? Is the art any good?

Finally, a dip into the cancellation(?) of Bright Sheng, the composer and music professor at the University of Michigan who got in trouble for showing a film featuring blackface in class.

Reminder to catch Tammy in conversation with Noam Chomsky tomorrow, Wednesday, October 13:

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Kindly,

The TTSG Podsquad

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"Squid Game:" Some of us are not horses. Oct 05, 2021

Hello from Capitalist Playground of Death!

This week, we talk 100% “Squid Game.”

Warning: Don’t listen until you’ve watched it all.

Does the show constitute anti-capitalist critique? Why does the ending suck? Did Park Chan-wook make the West permanently love K-horror? Will Asian art soon displace Asian American art? What’s with the weird ‘noble savage’ thing going on in the show?

Plus: the dialogue genius in “The Wire”’s writers’ room, fantasy basketball, Gary Shteyngart (i.e., three Asian Americans trashing neoliberalism), and solidarity with subtitle translators.

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Abolish ICE! And keep going. With Silky Shah of Detention Watch Network. Sep 28, 2021

Hello from Stuart’s Coffee in Bellingham!

This week, we welcome a special guest to talk about the immigrant rights movement and immigration policy. Plus, Andy and Tammy channel Jay Energy and answer listener questions.

(0:00): Andy and Tammy discuss Japanese food and our favorite chaebols.

(6:50): Listener Questions! What’s up with the “PI” in “AAPI?” listener SansMouton asks. We discuss the awkward origins of AAPI and why Pacific Islanders and Native Hawaiians shouldn’t be lumped into Asian America (cf. this random feature on Asian feelings in the NYT this weekend). But is there anything redeeming about a “Pacific” frame? And what would be the Pacific version of Paul Gilroy’s Black Atlantic?

* Thanks to friend of the pod Amita Manghnani for talking through the local politics of “A/P/A” and recommending “Asian American Studies and the ‘Pacific Question,’” by Wesleyan anthropologist Kehaulani Kauanui.

(25:00): How should academics balance institutional responsibilities (and annoying prestige stuff) with teaching? listener Robi asks. Andy tries to punt the question to Tammy before laying out his own materialist approach.

(31:44): Silky Shah, friend of the pod and executive director of Detention Watch Network, explains all things immigration:

* Her Truthout article on the dramatic increase in immigrant detention under Biden

* How her corner of the immigrant rights movement become abolitionist

* Why borders are b******t

* The We Are Home coalition

* Links between immigration and foreign policy

* The Dems’ obsession with “deterrence”

* Myths about immigration

* Why “Abolish ICE” isn’t nearly enough

* Recommended reads by Harsha Walia and Todd Miller.

For more on immigration policy, tune into this book event on Tuesday, Sept. 28, at noon EST, moderated by Tammy:

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Happy 10th birthday, Occupy Wall Street! Sep 21, 2021

Hello from Zuccotti Park!

Lots of leftist nostalgia and reminiscence about Occupy Wall Street this week — and the podsquad joins in! Then we talk Vietnamese American Republicans in Orange County and rising COVID numbers in Vietnam.

(0:00): Marshmallow test

(10:50): Does Occupy Wall Street have an anarchist or socialist legacy? Why, even though it was “annoying” at times, does it still matter? Lots of personal anecdotes and reflection, plus a tangent about the suburbs.

(1:02:20): Why did Vietnamese American Californians, who vote heavily Republican (even for Trump), vote against Gavin Newsom’s recall?

(1:16:00): Vietnam recently went from having almost no coronavirus cases to an out-of-control epidemic. What happened, and what does it say about China and vaccine supply chains?

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The Great Unvaccinated Sep 14, 2021

Pod squad assemble!

0:00 – Tammy catches us up on the latest in Asian Americana aka “Shang-Chi.” Jay and Andy remain skeptical of all things MCU.

12:30 – We talk about the new vaccine mandate and the current discourse around “the unvaccinated.” Are we too un/sympathetic to the material constraints of poor and working-class people who haven’t been vaccinated? Is vaccine skepticism a reflection of the US’s unique political polarization? And what to make of demographic trends by race, education, political party, and class?

43:50 – We mull Gideon Lewis-Kraus’s recent piece, “Can Progressives Be Convinced That Genetics Matters?” Should the left stake out a position on behavioral genetics, which the right has already done? Is all “genetics” talk doomed to slip into “race science”? Is race an inescapable way to think about the world?

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“Only the Left can Save Globalization Now,” with Eric Levitz, New York Magazine (2021)

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Environmental justice, Amazon logistics, and immigrant workers: Andrea Vidaurre Sep 07, 2021

(Audio fixed and updated Sept. 7 afternoon. Thanks for your patience!)Hola from the Inland Empire!

This week, we bring you Tammy’s IRL interview with Andrea Vidaurre, a policy analyst with the People’s Collective for Environmental Justice, in San Bernardino, California.

Andrea talks about the meaning of “environmental justice,” local manifestations of global warming, working-class immigrant life in the desert, labor violations at Amazon, organizing outside the nonprofit industrial complex, and green futures in logistics.

Some recs from Andrea:

* Support PC4EJ’s work!

* Read The Cost of Free Shipping: Amazon in the Global Economy, edited by Jake Alimahomed-Wilson and Ellen Reese.

* Jam to Milpa, a musical collective in the Inland Empire, and oldies by The Chosen Few and Los Mirlos.

* Read Gonzalez and Daughter Trucking Co., a novel by María Amparo Escandon.

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SCOTUS evictions, mixed-race Census, a new silent majority, and the D'Amelios Aug 31, 2021

Hello from the West Coast!

It’s just Jay and Tammy this week, on everything from backyard farming to Barbara Ehrenreich.

* Jay advises Tammy on late-season tomato growing. 🍅

* What to make of SCOTUS’s awful (but anticipated) decision to end the COVID eviction moratorium? Where will it hit worst?

* Why are so many more people (nearly triple!) identifying as mixed-race in the US Census? Does it have anything to do with 23andMe?

* Tammy asks Jay about the latest installment of his NYT newsletter: on what we might learn from the media misfires of 1968.

* Who is teen TikToker Charli D’Amelio, and why does her whole family now have a Hulu reality show? Is it too late to get in on this hustle?

Andy will be back soon. Until then, thanks for listening and supporting us via Patreon and Substack! Stay in touch by email (timetosaygoodbyepod@gmail.com) or Twitter.

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Gig work, Afghanistan, "The Chair" Aug 24, 2021

Hello from a reunited pod squad!

This week, we gab about a welcome court ruling on California’s Proposition 22 gig-work law, the US withdrawal from Afghanistan, and Sandra Oh’s new Netflix show.

(0:00): Tammy on why Prop 22 was ruled unconstitutional and what it means for workers’ rights across the US

(7:10): How to understand what’s happening in Afghanistan in the context of our long wars in the region

(44:45): What “The Chair” says about Asian American TV, austerity politics in higher ed, race and generational divides, and the (cancel) culture wars.

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Neoliberalism's end + "China": Jake Werner Aug 17, 2021

Hello from a Chinese ghost city!

It’s just Andy this week, speaking with my friend academic-activist Jake Werner (@jwdwerner) on how to make sense of the current ideological shift in US and global politics and especially the hostile rhetoric between US and Chinese elites.

(0:00) We talk about the recent spate of “big spending” bills pushed by Biden and the Democrats, supporting infrastructure (“hard” and “soft”) and industrial policy. Is this a break from “neoliberal” ideology? And also, what was “neoliberalism” about anyway?

(17:40) Some of the biggest proponents for new, big-government programs are also the loudest critics of China and Chinese competition. What’s going on with purported leftists who supported Bernie but are hawkish on China? And is that really so bad?

(45:40) We discuss a different way of thinking about China today on its own terms, reviewing its tumultuous 40-year encounter with a US-centered global system and what changed in 2008. How can we eschew approaches centered “national” and “cultural essence” and instead look at shared global dynamics between China, the US, and the rest of the world? (Jake outlined these ideas recently in this talk).

(1:13:20) Finally, Jake’s pitch for “progressive globalization,” something he is fighting for through his organization Justice is Global (along with friend of the show Tobita Chow!). Why is the US-China relationship so crucial for the next phase in world history, from climate change to Covid to equitable growth? What’s the response in DC? How can listeners become more active? (also: tankies catching strays)

Some pieces by Jake:

“U.S.-China: Progressive Internationalist Strategy Under Biden” Rosa-Luxemburg Stiftung with Tobita Chow (2021)

“Why Confrontation With China Threatens the Progressive Agenda,” The Nation(2019)

“China is cheating at a rigged game,” Foreign Affairs (2018)

And recommended reading from Jake: “The US-China Rivalry Is About Capitalist Competition” by Ho-Fung Hung, Jacobin (2020)

note: I tried to edit out the sounds of sickness throughout, but some had to be left in, sorry! It’s not Covid, I swear!

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Live music and a "good hang" with No-No Boy's Julian Saporiti and Emilia Halvorsen Aug 10, 2021

Hello from back in July, when Tammy recorded this special live episode in Portland, Oregon! The occasion was the new album, “1975,” by No-No Boy.

No-No Boy is Julian Saporiti, a folk and rock musician from Nashville whose PhD dissertation has taken the form of an extended song cycle about Asian America. Julian and his partner, Emilia Halvorsen, an aspiring lawyer who co-produced and sings on “1975,” talked with Tammy about the folk tradition, US empire, travels in the Mountain West, ethnomusicology, the struggle for immigrants’ rights, Asian-American and mixed-race identities, John Okada, and Jens Lekman. They also performed two brand-new tunes.

The songs you’ll hear in this episode:

* “Imperial Twist,” No-No Boy, 1975(Smithsonian Folkways, 2021)

* “St. Denis or Bangkok, From a Hotel Balcony,” 1975

* “Yuiyo Bon Odori,” Nobuko Miyamoto, 120,000 Stories (Smithsonian Folkways, 2021)

* “The Best God Damn Band in Wyoming,” 1975

* “No No Boy,” The Spiders (Philips, 1966)

* “Disposable Youth,” No-No Boy, 1942(2018)

* “Pilgrims,” 1975

* “St. Michael,” Little Monk Panda Scout aka Julian and Emilia

* “Panda Scout,” Little Monk Panda Scout

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Shooting arrows at an archer + landlord politics Aug 03, 2021

Hello from Tammy’s DIY SUV camper!

This week, we bring you talk of Korean archery, feminism, and misogyny. Plus, the terrifying end of the US eviction moratorium and what politicians and activists are doing about it.

* An San, South Korea’s triple gold medalist in archery, has been attacked by men’s rights activists for… having short hair. Why are so many young men so misogynistic? So mixed up in right-wing politics? What is the character of new Korean feminism and its homegrown #MeToo movement?

* US politics, a case study: Cori Bush and The Squad (who actually seem to care about tenants’ rights) vs. Nancy Pelosi (who just found out that the eviction moratorium was about to end).

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The Young Congee Marx Jul 27, 2021

Hello from Philly, Berkeley, and Pasadena!

This week, we talk about the Tokyo Olympics, food appropriation in Oregon, and Raoul Peck’s film The Young Karl Marx (2017).

* What are people protesting in Tokyo? In this pandemic moment, who are the Olympics for? Plus: props to young women weightlifters and skateboarders.

* Why are Asian Americans so mad about congee? (And why are white restaurateurs in Oregon so prone to getting in race trouble?)

* What did “The Communist Manifesto” mean in the time and place it was written? Does its analysis apply today? Why did Peck make this movie? (good film review here). Bonus: brief comparison to another origin-story biopic Amadeus (1984).

(For more on the women’s work around these famous men, Tammy recommends biographies of Eleanor Marx, Karl’s daughter, and the French film Mozart’s Sister.)

(And Andy laoshi suggests reading the original Marx from the film: Engels’s Conditions of the Working Class in England (1845), Marx and Engels’s The Holy Family (1844) and The German Ideology (1846) on the “young Hegelians”; The Poverty of Philosophy (1847) against Proudhon; and ofc what we simply call “The Manifesto” (1848)).

We were stoked to meet so many of you at our recent IRL in Berkeley. If you want to take part in such events and our raging Discord, join our membership club at Substack or Patreon. And please get in touch via Twitter or email (timetosaygoodbyepod@gmail.com).

Thank you!

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Haiti and Cuba, COVID Delta, and Listener Qs Jul 20, 2021

Hello!

This week: two pressing topics from the news and listener questions.

First, we talk about the political crises in Haiti and Cuba and questions of U.S. empire and intervention. Though military invasions have become less savory, on Monday, U.S. officials still informally dictated Haiti’s choice for interim president. We place the news in geographic and historical context and draw connections to East Asia. Also: the hallowed place of the Haitian and Cuban revolutions for leftists (and academics), the logic of anti-imperialist and “decolonial” politics (think Latin American tankie-ism), and how best to understand the Caribbean today.

Second, we discuss the spiraling numbers of Covid infections and hospitalizations among unvaccinated people in the U.S., especially in Black and Latino communities. How do these numbers square with mainstream media coverage of the unvaccinated? Is race the best framing? How bad will things get in the next few months?

Not to mention how horribly things are going in the Global South, thanks to vaccine apartheid.

Finally, some listener questions:

* Brinda asks for reading recommendations. (Andy’s is a follow-up on the CRT episode: a feature on Chris Rufo in The New Yorker).

* Daffodilly asks about “the academy” and “academia.”

* And So Long, Lillian asks about intra-Asian (inter-Asian?) matrimony. (There are some studies!)

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Steel, Care, PMCs: historian Gabe Winant Jul 13, 2021

Hello!

A guest episode today: Andy talks with U Chicago historian Gabriel Winant (@gabrielwinant) about his new book, The Next Shift: The Fall of Industry and the Rise of Health Care in Rust Belt America. We discuss capitalism and neoliberalism, what’s going on with the U.S. socialist movement, and class fissures within the professional ranks.

Check out Gabe’s other writing in many places, including Dissent, n+1, The Nation, and Jacobin!

0:00 – Pittsburgh, discussions of class, Gabe’s journey, Marxism, and the rumored “history of capitalism” trend in the academy.

20:00 – We dig into The Next Shift: steel in non-nostalgic terms, the difference between steel and healthcare (or manufacturing versus service), how nursing homes became so marginalized, and the strategic sectors for struggle today (healthcare? education?).

1:04:50 – Gabe’s 2019 essay on the “professional-managerial class”: revisiting Barbara and John Ehrenreich’s invention of the term in 1977, how it applies today, and why the only people who talk about the PMC are themselves the PMCest of PMCs?

Watch out for bonus content later this week! The podsquad will be back again soon.

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Sports talk radio: NO-lympics + diversity "pressure" at ESPN Jul 06, 2021

Hello, and welcome to Asian American Sports Talk radio—from the site of the 2032 Olympics!

Three topics today:

First, the Chinese Communist Party held a massive centennial celebration last week (here’s Andy talking about it), and China-watchers pounced on one phrase from Xi Jinping’s speech: that haters would suffer “broken heads and spilled blood” (頭破血流). Hey, imperialist pigs, nothing to see here!

(8:20) Second, we discuss the racist origins, wasteful history, and cruel policies of the Olympic Games, ahead of the Tokyo games this month (and LA 2024, baby!). Also: some nostalgia for the 1988 Seoul Games, less so for Beijing 2008, and some proposals for how to continue watching some people run really fast in the future—but sustainably!

(53:10) Finally, we weigh in on revelations that ESPN journalist Rachel Nichols criticized the promotion of colleague Maria Taylor on “diversity” grounds, as detailed by Kevin Draper in the Times. We talk about the meaning of “hard work,” private conversations, media no-nos, and how to talk about diversity (or not) in 2021.

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How Berkeley Beat Back NIMBYs in NYTimes Opinion

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The Fight to End Single Family Zoning and the YIMBY/NIMBY/PHIMBY War with Darrell Owens Jul 02, 2021

Hello!

Today’s episode is about housing, the fight to end single-family zoning, YIMBYs, NIMBYs and PHIMBYs. Our guest today was Darrell Owens, a housing activist and policy analyst. We went through a lot — Berkeley’s recent unanimous initiative to end single-family zoning, asked the inevitable questions about whether this would actually help make Berkeley more affordable, talked a bit about the PHIMBY movement (Public Housing in My Backyard), the pragmatic limitations of all housing work, and much more. Give it a listen!

- Jay

Related Reading:

Darrell’s Twitter: @idothethinking

Who are the PHIMBYs? in LA Mag

An interview with Ananya Roy

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Click, buy, suffer? Plus listener questions Jun 29, 2021

Hello from Tammy’s 104-degree podcast studio!

This week, we talk about the nightmare of piled-up container ships on the West coast, why Covid has triggered these crises along the global supply chain, a bit of logistics history, and the dire ecological future that awaits us.

Also, for the first time in a while, some listener questions:

* Are there racial aspects to Yang’s mayoral downfall? Or do Yang’s two campaigns tell us something about the difference between appealing to Asians versus a wider public?

* More on the “Asian pessimism” discussion from last week?

* Any social-justice wins to be happy about?

Thanks to Stephanie, Sam, and Cliff for their questions! And thanks to all of you for listening and subscribing. Stay cool!

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Recasting history and sports workers at SCOTUS Jun 22, 2021

Hello from I-5!

Today: another round in our long-simmering, passive-aggressive professional feud (journalists vs. historians), occasioned by two new pieces on how we talk about and apply the lessons of U.S. history.

First, UCLA historian Robin D.G. Kelley in conversation with George Yancy in Truthout. They talk about the recent surge of interest in the 1921 Tulsa Massacre and what’s lost in our narrow focus on “Black Wall Street.” What does the Hollywoodification of race politics mean for working-class stories?

Second, Princeton historian Matt Karp’s “History as End” in Harper’s. Karp argues that U.S. history, typically the domain of the patriotic right, has been taken up increasingly by left-liberal journalists and historians, and in a noticeably pessimistic register.

Is public history too obsessed with “origins” and analogies? What are its dominant politics? Do stories of upward mobility play out differently for different groups? Do history and journalism inhibit forward thinking? Or should journalists and historians spend even more time talking about history?!

Finally, we weigh in on a new decision by the Supreme Court. In a unanimous ruling, the justices found in favor of college athletes in their case against the NCAA, paving the way for better compensation of student workers. Jay fantasizes about bribing players to join the Tarheels, Tammy comments on labor and antitrust politics, and Andy draws a—surprise!—historical analogy.

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[Unlocked] Iyko Day: on Asians as capital Jun 18, 2021

Note: The following is an unlocked episode originally released on May 7 for our Patreon and Substack subscribers. Enjoy!

Hi everyone,

Today, a more scholarly episode: Andy speaks with Prof. Iyko Day of Mount Holyoke College’s English program, discussing her book Alien Capital: Asian Racialization and the Logic of Settler Colonial Capitalism (Duke, 2016).

In the book, she analyzes different moments in the history of Asian migration to North America and their attendant racialization. In particular, we discuss the association of Asian immigrants with "excessive economic efficiency." That is, the basis of anti-Asian racial sentiment has been the idea that Asians represent a hyper-efficient economic threat. Anti-Asian racism, then, is a sort of misplaced, reactionary revolt against capitalism itself.

Examples span from the 19C. "yellow peril" of Chinese miners and railroad workers, culminating in Chinese Exclusion; fears of Japanese property ownership, buttressing WWII internment; and even now, the "model minority" stereotype of post-1965 Asian immigrants ("high-tech coolies" in white-collar jobs, engineering, tech), who are both revered for their efficiency but also scapegoated for the abstract and destructive ills of globalization.

I see Day's work as contributing to literature on the history of racial ideas specific to the history of capitalism. Most famously, we have books and essays on how slavery and segregation turned the social categories of "White" and "Black" into biological ones by the nineteenth century. But of course, her intervention is to theorize the specificity of Asian racialization.

Thus, Anti-Asian racism is not simply analogous to anti-Black racism, for instance, which centers on ideas of biology and inferiority, but rather represents something abstract and threatening, personifying and embodying the destructiveness of capitalist value. In this sense, it is closer to modern anti-Semitism.

Ultimately, Day returns to the bigger question of how Asian racialization fits alongside other racial forms in North America, such as indigenous, Black, Latinx, etc.

Other topics include: the politics of being a PMC Asian, fears of "alien capital" around the world, locating the role of literature and art, the relationship between borders and prisons, and joining reading groups for Marx’s Capital.

Also, a quick note: this episode’s format is a bit different. Alien Capital was actually chosen for the inaugural session of the TTSG Discord’s new monthly (?) book club back in April/May. We discussed the book one week before this episode, and later, Andy spoke with Prof. Day online, with listeners in attendance.

The first half is our interview; the second half (49:30) features questions from the Discord community themselves (one calling in from a van full of listeners) either spoken directly or read out loud by Andy.

Finally, a few works referenced in the conversation:

Colleen Lye, America's Asia: Racial Form and American Literature

Moishe Postone, "Anti-semitism and National Socialism"

Moishe Postone, Time, Labor, and Social Domination

John Kuo Wei Tchen and Dylan Yeats, Yellow Peril!: An Archive of Anti-Asian Fear

Barbara Fields, "Slavery, Race and Ideology in the USA"

Sylvia Federici, Caliban and the Witch

Ruth Wilson Gilmore, Golden Gulag

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Lab leak theory and "Who Killed Vincent Chin?" Jun 15, 2021

Hello from Tammy’s fantasy vacation house! It’s just the three of us today, with two important topics.

First, the renewed media and political interest in the Wuhan “lab leak theory,” which had previously been treated as a conspiracy. This essay, published last month by science journalist Nicholas Wade, made a stink by arguing that a lab leak was a reasonable possibility. China’s renowned virologist Shi Zhengli (aka, “bat woman”) responded just this week, in an interview with the NYT, and Biden has promised to lead an international effort to reinvestigate Covid’s origins in China.

We review the “wild” vs. “lab leak” theories, fears of anti-Asian backlash in the US, anti-China geopolitics, the need for greater transparency among all nations for the sake of global public health and science (read this, by friend of the pod Yangyang Cheng), and the political backlash that may await experts and scientists who dismissed the lab theory (read Thomas Frank and Matt Yglesias on technocratic libs and social-media bubble-ology).

Second, we revisit the classic documentary, Who Killed Vincent Chin? (1987, dirs. Christine Choy and Renee Tajima-Peña). We talk about the murder case, the film, and how these real-world and on-screen histories resonate today. We also discuss the recent controversy around, and cancellation of, a star-studded Vincent Chin podcast and new representations of Asian stories (including rumors of green-lit film and TV projects). Why do Hollywood Asian Americans keep forgetting (or willfully neglecting) to do their homework?

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Chelsea Schieder on Comfort Women denialism, the Japanese Right, the Asia-Pacific, and Coed Revolution Jun 11, 2021

Hi all:

Today’s episode is a conversation with Andy’s friend and classmate Chelsea Szendi Schieder, historian of Japan at Aoyama Gakuin University (Tokyo).

Chelsea was involved in compiling the empirical case against Comfort Women denialism, which we covered in an episode back in February. She’s now also written a reflection piece on the experience for The Nation.

We talk more about Comfort Women denialism, the Japanese online right (netto uyoku ネット右翼), and the history and present state of Japanese studies and east Asia geopolitics. How did the U.S. encumber a reckoning with the Japanese empire? How are Comfort Women and the war in China (1937-1945) taught in Japan today? How do these issues reflect shifting power struggles between Japan, Korea, China, and the rest of Asia?

We then talk about Chelsea’s recently released book Coed Revolution, focusing on the role of women students in Japan’s “new left” but also asking questions about the legacy of the “new left” and its place in the pivotal 1970s/80s transformation of politics and society, in Japan and around the world.

Also: Japan’s COVID and vaccine situation and “why the f-ck” are we still holding the Tokyo Olympics this year?

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6/4 no more? And CRT McCarthyism Jun 08, 2021

Hello!

It’s just us three this week, talking recent news (and some hot goss).

First, we discuss the suppressed vigil for the 32nd anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre (6.4.1989) in Hong Kong. When thousands of police officers cordoned off the usual gathering place, Victoria Park, Hong Kong residents came up with creative ways to demonstrate, using cell phone flashlights and much else. (Remember: “Be water.”) We talk about contemporary meanings of Tiananmen in Asia and the rest of the world, the chilling effect of HK’s National Security Law, and the 1989 protesters’ demands not only for democracy but also a better life for Beijing’s working class (h/t Zhang Yueran). Bonus content: “A Day to Remember,” a short film on the suppression of public discussion about Tiananmen in China.

Second, we unpack the right-wing bogeyman of critical race theory, legislative attacks on free speech in schools, and awful stories out of Kansas, Montana, and Pennsylvania. What’s the right’s bigger strategy here? Has the U.S. left failed by ceding “free speech” to conservatives? How dangerous are these currents, and what is to be done? Plus: white tears in Tammy’s middle-school social studies class.

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Friend of the pod, Jay, with Justice is Global, invites you to a free screening and discussion of “Call Her Ganda,” a documentary about Jennifer Laude, a Filipina trans woman who was murdered by a U.S. Marine—and the crew of activists who fight back.

The Zoom discussion will take place on June 10, with filmmaker PJ Raval, Filipino trans rights advocate Naomi Fontanos, and representatives of Malaya Movement and GABRIELA. (The film will be made available 24 hours beforehand.)

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Buddhism, writing, and mixed martial arts with Ocean Vuong Jun 01, 2021

Hello!

Special guest this week. Ocean Vuong, a poet, novelist, essayist, and the author of On Earth We’re Briefly Gorgeous. Ocean has won the Whiting Award, the T.S. Eliot Prize, and was recently a MacArthur Genius Grant recipient.

Jay and Ocean talked about Mixed Martial Arts, Ocean’s novel, and whether one can be a writer and a Buddhist at the same time. The conversation went to completely unexpected places — lots of discussion about Wang Wei, Ezra Pound, Gary Snyder, and Anderson Silva.

Ocean’s novel is out in paperback this week, so pick it up!

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"Mare of Easttown" special impromptu episode! May 28, 2021

Andy talks with Vinson Cunningham (New Yorker) and Jane Hu (UC-Berkeley English and Film) about the HBO show Mare of Easttown -- a.k.a. “Murder Durdur” -- which concludes its run this Sunday. We’re hooked, and we can’t figure out why!

*Warning: this episode includes spoilers!*

* Why are we all obsessed with this show about “specific whites” in the downwardly-mobile Pennsylvania suburbs?

* Why the appeal of regional accents?

* (Philly accent Youtube recs: Tina Fey, James McAvoy, Kate Winslett)

* Does the show have clear politics? Does it redeem the police?

* How successfully does it blend multiple genres (cop show, family sitcom, YA romance) into one?

* Does the show say something interesting about race and gender?

* Comparisons to The Wire, Twin Peaks, Law & Order, The Undoing &c.

* Finally, we reveal who actually killed Erin McMenamin??

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Vinson Cunningham on the NBA, Yang, and IRL theatre May 25, 2021

Hey, sports fans!

A break from the news cycle with our friend, Vinson Cunningham, a theatre critic at The New Yorker, playwright, novelist, and all-around lovely guy.

We talk about the NYC mayoral race (race/authenticity politics), basketball (the architecture of MSG; the LeBron effect; Jokic, Luka, and European style), and how the theatre world has survived the pandemic (read Vinson on virtual theatre and his recent review of a piece in Tammy’s neighborhood).

Speaking of incredible performances:

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Loving Palestine with Esmat Elhalaby May 21, 2021

Hello!

We’re back in a new arrangement (Andy and Tammy this time) for our second of two episodes on what’s happening in Palestine. Our special guest is Esmat Elhalaby, a post-doc at UC Davis who will soon join the faculty of the University of Toronto.

Esmat tells us about his family ties to Palestine, especially Gaza, the scope of recent bombings by Israel, and what is excluded and silenced by the US media’s framing. He also places US actions—and Americans’ evolving views—in the context of broader global support for the Palestinian people and explains why we should revisit and revive histories of internationalism.

Finally, we discuss the poet Rashid Hussein, the late Edward Said’s seminal book Orientalism, the metaphor of Palestine for “the east,” and the historical possibilities and limits for pan-Asian + Asian-American + anti-colonial solidarity — all covered in + inspired by Esmat’s recent essay about the new biography of Edward Said.

Some recommendations from Esmat for more reading:

* “This time it’s different” by Ahmed Abu Artema Electronic Intifada

* “Protests by Palestinian citizens in Israel signal growing sense of a common struggle,” Maha Nassar The Conversation

* Teach-in “Palestine in Resistance: Voices of Anticolonial Mobilization”: https://www.facebook.com/ArabStudiesUH/videos/753092018711925

* An account from Haifa, by Muhannad Abu Ghosh: https://ctjournal.org/2021/05/20/haifa-war/

* Coverage of Gaza from the Middle East Research and Information Project: https://merip.org/2021/05/revisiting-merip-coverage-of-gaza-jerusalem-and-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/

* @JehadAbusalim on Twitter

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Sheikh Jarrah and What Feels Different This Time about Israel/Palestine with Josh Leifer of Jewish Currents May 18, 2021

Hello!

This week we talked with Joshua Leifer, an editor at Jewish Currents, about the ongoing military violence against Palestinian communities in Gaza this past month (for those keeping track, Josh helped organize that Jewish Current-TTSG webinar from two weeks ago!)

(Tammy unfortunately had to sit out today’s episode with a last-second conflict 😔 )

We talk to Josh about his recently co-authored explainer on the clashes in the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood of East Jerusalem, resistance from Palestinian groups and the Israeli Left, and the role of Biden and US (and international) solidarity.

We also discuss his colleague Peter Beinart’s essay “Teshuvah: A Jewish Case for Palestinian Refugee Return.”

Also: does 2021 represent a turning point in debates over Israel/Palestine in the US? Comparisons and connections to BLM and other protests against settler colonialism worldwide? And Josh’s personal experiences navigating Jewish-American debates, Zionism and anti-Zionism, and diasporic internationalist organizing.

Other links from the conversation + recommendations for further reading:

* +972 Magazine: https://www.972mag.com/

* Nathan Thrall NYTon the Boycott-Divest-Sanctions (BDS) movement and the Democrats

* The late Palestinian writer Edward Said’s prescient (1999) essay on “The One-State Solution”

* Human Rights Watch’s Apartheid Report on Palestine (2021)

* Peter Beinart on Biden's Israel record

* Tareq Baconi's writing at the New York Review of Books

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India's Second Wave: with Meghna Chaudhuri May 14, 2021

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Hello!

Andy here with a Friday episode in discussion with historian Meghna Chaudhuri (NYU, Boston College) on the COVID disaster currently unfolding in India: the officially reported death count is 240,000 but may actually be more than one million.

Meghna and I talk about what everyday life has been like for her, quarantining with family in Kolkata during this second wave, which broke out last month -- from the free-for-all search for treatments and hospital supplies to navigating misinformation around vaccines and medicines.

We also assess the past year of governance by the ruling party BJP and Prime Minister Narendra Modi; why this wave is not just a natural but also political disaster; the BJP’s longstanding “anti-science” stance and the appeal of the BJP’s perverted anti-imperialism in an economically stagnant India; misinformation in both corporate and social media (“Whatsapp Uncles”); and why we should probably not expect an international panacea to save India in the short-term (e.g., the TRIPS waiver) and instead focus on some very basic questions about competent local governance.

Some further reading:

* “India’s COVID-19 Emergency” in The Lancet

* “A Report Card on the End Times Brought Upon Us by Hindutva” by Meena Kandasamy in The Wire (India)

* “Parking Lot Crematoria Burn Through the Night as Covid-19 Overwhelms Delhi” by Fahad Shah in The Nation

And for those looking to contribute from abroad, Meghna suggested some avenues for (more) direct assistance could be found at Mutual Aid India

*Had a few audio issues with this one — sorry! I tried my best to edit out the weird feedback noises but not all could be fixed.

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On Depoliticization, in Viewpoint.

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"Magic Actions" and "When the Party's Over": the past year in politics May 11, 2021

Hello!

A long but focused discussion this week—on two new essays that attempt to write recent history.

First, Tobi Haslett’s “Magic Actions” (n+1), recovering the explosive potential of last year’s George Floyd uprising, institutional attempts to domesticate it, and ongoing struggles for abolition and Black liberation.

Second, Brendan O’Connor’s “When the Party’s Over” (The Baffler), a look at social-democratic politics after the thrill and demise of the Bernie campaign, the drudgery of party work, politician fandom, and finding a (new) base for socialism in 2021.

ICYMI: Our conversation with the good folks at Jewish Currents, archived on YouTube:

Thanks to everyone who came to our picnic in Brooklyn on May 2! And thanks also to our listeners who gathered for a hike, book chat, and carbs in Los Angeles this past weekend!

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What happened after '92, and "the secret history" of Ethnic Studies with Tamara K. Nopper May 04, 2021

Hello!

This is Jay. This week, we have my conversation with sociologist, writer, and data artist Tamara K. Nopper. She’s been an invaluable resource for me for years now — if I ever actually sound like I know what I’m talking about, it’s likely because of something Tamara sent me to read over the years. Today, we talk about this moment that I’ve been fascinated with for years — what happened after ‘92, not just in terms of what happened on the ground in Black and Korean communities, but also within the academy, where a seemingly new type of scholarship emerged to make sense of it all.

We talk about that, Korean banks, “the secret history” of Third Worldism, and a whole lot more. There’s a lot we agree about but also a lot we disagree about on these topics.

Tamara recently did a great talk with our friends at the Asian American Writer’s Workshop. Watch it!

Tamara also edited ‘We Do This ‘Til We Free Us: Abolitionist Organizing and Transforming Justice,’ a book of Mariame Kaba’s writings and interviews (Haymarket Books), and researched and wrote several data stories for Colin Kaepernick’s Abolition for the People series.

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Thanks to everyone who made it out to the inaugural TTSG picnic this past weekend! We had a huge turnout. And thanks again to everyone who joined in our first book club, where we discussed Alien Capital. The building of the community both on the discord and on social media has been really overwhelming. If you’d like to join, please either subscribe to the newsletter on Substack or on patreon at patreon.com/ttsgpod.

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Jay

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Vaccine apartheid part 2 + Asian accent game Apr 27, 2021

Hello from the AAPI Oscars!

This week, we begin with a guessing game from George Mason University’s “Speech Accent Archive” (thanks, listener Jai Kang!). Join us and guess along as we make horribly essentialist assumptions about Asian accents (h/t danyo and sansmouton!).

In our main segment, we dig into the murderous policy of global vaccine apartheid. We first discussed this topic back in November, and things have only gotten worse, with India being the most visible site of a world-historical crisis.

To guide our conversation, we rely primarily on a recent piece by Alexander Zaitchik at The New Republic that explains how Bill Gates, the Gates Foundation, Big Pharma, and global intellectual-property rules have brought us to this point. How should we understand this moment in the context of the last 30 years? Can ordinary people defeat supra-state oligarchs?

Links:

* Contrary to what Gates has said, there are, in fact, many capable vaccine factories around the world waiting to be mobilized (thanks, listener Stephen Buranyi).

* The WTO is debating a temporary waiver to the IP regime known as TRIPS. Will the Biden administration listen to the will of the people?

SAVE THE DATE!

On Monday, May 3, at 7pm ET, we’ll be doing a free event with our friends at Jewish Currentsmagazine (we subscribe!).

Please register here and join us in exploring the possibility of diasporic internationalism against the backdrop of US imperial decline!

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Michelle Zauner on Crying in H Mart Apr 22, 2021

Hello!

We spoke with special guest Michelle Zauner aka Japanese Breakfast about her memoir, Crying in H Mart; her forthcoming album, Jubilee; her life as an artist; and how to cook with Maangchi.

Enjoy!

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DOWN A DARK STAIRWELL - Akai Gurley, Peter Liang, and how communities are built with filmmaker Ursula Liang Apr 20, 2021

Hello,

A special episode this week with filmmaker Ursula Liang about her new film Down a Dark Stairwell. It’s out now on PBS and we hope everyone who listens to the show watches this nuanced, thoughtful and brave film. I (Jay) first saw Ursula’s work in 9-Man, a film about sports in Chinatown. Since then, I’ve followed her career carefully because what she does — deep community reporting, thoughtful portrayals of the concerns of all types of people, and the care with which she makes her films — exemplifies everything good about journalism and documentary filmmaking.

This is a film about many things, but at it’s core, it’s about how two communities deal with a police killing. And through verite footage and intimate interviews, it shows how people both come together and split apart while trying to navigate problems that fall well outside the easy consensus. On the show, we talk a lot about the need to go beyond rigid identity categories and simple, doctrinaire explanations. If you want to watch what that looks like, watch this film.

The film is available in both Chinese and English — both versions available to stream here.

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Unionizing in an Amazon age Apr 13, 2021

Greetings from Substack hell!

It’s just the three of us this week, talking about the union defeat in Bessemer, Alabama, labor history, and the future of organizing in an Amazon economy.

We discuss labor expert Jane McAlevey’s tactical post-mortem on the RWDSU campaign (rebuttals here and here), Tammy’s critique of McAlevey from last year, and Andy and Jay’s critiques of Tammy!

Plus, the divergent strategies of Amazonians United and Athena; media influence (or interference?); and how the PRO Act, some decent regulation, and a huge investment in organizing could transform the labor movement.

And finally, the economics of unionization in US history, the racial and geographic specificity of Bessemer, and the paradox of our current moment: a broad sympathy for labor paired with an almost unprecedented concentration of power by tech monopolies like Amazon.

Recommended: Lauren Kaori Gurley on Vice News Reports podcast, with an in-depth look at the union drive and the history of Bessemer.

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Depoliticization, Identity Politics and Protest with Asad Haider Apr 09, 2021

Hello!

Today’s subscriber episode is a wide-ranging conversation Asad Haider, one of the founding editors of Viewpoint Magazine and the author of Mistaken Identity: Race and Class in the Age of Trump. Jay talked to Asad about his concept of “depoliticization,” his book on identity politics, and political exhaustion.

*- note from Jay: When we started the podcast, Asad was at the top of the list of guests I wanted to invite onto the show. I was really excited to talk to him at length. Mistaken Identity was a very eye-opening book for me to read and everyone should read it, although with these recent pieces.

Emancipation and Exhaustion, in Saaganthology

Dismissal, in The Point.

And a little housekeeping: we tried something different with the audio levels for this one, so please let us know if it sounds better.

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How not to think like a cop, with Naomi Murakawa Apr 06, 2021

Hello from Jay’s backyard Easter egg hunt!

It’s just Andy and Tammy this week, with special guest Naomi Murakawa, a professor of African American Studies at Princeton and the author of The First Civil Right: How Liberals Built Prison America.

Naomi talks with us about her J-A roots in Oakland, how her dad’s career in the criminal-legal system got her thinking about carceral politics, why police reform has long been a trap, and the history of hate crimes legislation in the US. She shares her observations on Black Lives Matter, the emergence of abolitionist thinking, and the discourse around “anti-Asian violence.”

What can crime statistics tell us about the world? How do we stop ourselves from thinking like cops? Which groups are pushing Asian America in a more punitive direction? And how should “Asian American history 101” inform our analyses of recent violence?

“The we-ness is something we make through struggle.”

Naomi shouts out:

– Mariame Kaba’s new book, We Do This ’Til We Free Us (foreword by Naomi; and check out the rest of the abolitionist series Naomi curates for Haymarket)

– Victoria Law’s new book, “Prisons Make Us Safer” and 20 Other Myths about Mass Incarceration

– Christina B. Hanhardt’s Safe Space: Gay Neighborhood History and the Politics of Violence

– Chandan Reddy’s Freedom With Violence: Race, Sexuality, and the US State

– Stuart Hall’s Policing the Crisis: Mugging, the State, and Law and Order

– The work of Dylan Rodriguez and Ruth Wilson Gilmore

– The abolitionist organizing of Incite!, AAAJ-Atlanta, and Red Canary Song and allies

Thanks for listening, supporting, and spreading the word. Stay in touch via email (timetosaygoodbyepod@gmail.com), Twitter, and/or Patreon—and see you in our Discord!

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CROSSOVER EPISODE with The Dig! Apr 01, 2021

Hello!

This week, your intrepid hosts had the pleasure to speak with journalist Daniel Denvir and his podcast “The Dig,” with Jacobin Radio.

Daniel engaged us on a number of topics we’ve touched upon recently, including: the Atlanta shootings and the question of anti-Asian violence; the connection between anti-China foreign policy and domestic anti-Asian racism; the potential for an Asian backlash against liberalism and the Democratic party; affirmative-action fights and the enduring mythology of “model minorities”; and the coherence and usefulness of “Asian” identity.

If you’re curious, please check out The Dig’s other podcast episodes, found here:

https://www.thedigradio.com/

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