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    Three Buddy Problem

    The Three Buddy Problem is a popular Security Conversations podcast that goes beyond industry talking points to discuss what others won’t — nation-state malware, attribution, cyberwar, ethics, privacy, and the messy realities of securing computers and corporate networks. Hosted by three veteran security pros — journalist Ryan Naraine and malware paleontologists Costin Raiu and Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade — the weekly show attracts a highly engaged audience of security researchers, corporate defenders, CISOs, and policymakers. Connect with Ryan on Twitter (Open DMs).

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    Latest Episodes:
    Ep5: CrowdStrike's faulty update shuts down global networks Jul 19, 2024
    Show notes

    Three Buddy Problem - Episode 5: Hot off the press, we dive into the news of the CrowdStrike software update that caused blue screens on computers worldwide, the resulting chaos and potential connections to the Microsoft 365 outage, the fragility of modern computing and the risks of new software paradigms.

    We also discuss the AT&T mega-breach and the ransom paid to delete the stolen data; the challenges of ransomware and the uncertainty surrounding the deletion of stolen data; the FBI gaining access to a password-protected phone, the prices for zero-click exploits; and the resurgence of APT 41 with expanding targets.

    Plus, some news on upcoming keynote speakers at LabsCon 2024.

    Hosts: Costin Raiu (Art of Noh), Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade (SentinelLabs), Ryan Naraine (SecurityWeek)

    Links:

    • Transcript (AI-generated, unedited)
    • CrowdStrike Statement on Falcon Content Update for Windows Hosts
    • Microsoft-CrowdStrike blackout FAQ
    • Bad CrowdStrike Update Linked to Major IT Outages Worldwide
    • CrowdStrike CEO George Kurtz statement on Twitter
    • AT&T Paid a Hacker $370,000 to Delete Stolen Phone Records
    • T-Mobile Hacker Who Stole Data on 50 Million Customers: ‘Their Security Is Awful’
    • LABScon 2024 Speakers

    Ep4: The AT&T mega-breach, iPhone mercenary spyware, Microsoft zero-days Jul 12, 2024
    Show notes

    Three Buddy Problem - Episode 4: The boys delve into the massive AT&T call logs breach, the Snowflake incidents and the notion of shared-fate/shared responsibilities; news on fresh Apple notifications about mercenary spyware on iPhones and the effectiveness of notifications for different types of controversial targets. Plus, thoughts on Microsoft's zero-day disclosures and useless Patch Tuesday bulletins, AI-powered disinformation campaigns, and the US government's malware sharing initiative fading away.

    Hosts: Costin Raiu (Art of Noh), Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade (SentinelLabs), Ryan Naraine (SecurityWeek).

    Links:

    • Transcript (unedited, AI-generated)
    • AT&T SEC Filing on mega-breach
    • CNN: Nearly all AT&T call and text records exposed in a massive breach
    • Apple warns iPhone users in 98 countries of spyware
    • India targets Apple over its phone hacking notifications
    • Hyper-V zero-day exploited in the wild
    • LABScon Program Committee

    Ep3: Dave Aitel joins debate on nation-state hacking responsibilities Jul 05, 2024
    Show notes

    The 'Three Buddy Problem' Podcast Episode 3: Former NSA computer scientist Dave Aitel (Immunity Inc., Cordyceps Systems) joins Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade for a frank discussion on the OpenSSH unauthenticated remote code execution vulnerability and the challenges around patching and exploitation, the CISA 'secure-by-design' pledge and its impact on software vendor practices, Microsoft lobbying and the CSRB report, and changing face of government's attempts at cybersecurity regulations.

    We discuss the disruption caused by political changes and the potential implications for cybersecurity policies, impact from the Supreme Court Chevron ruling, security regulations and the challenges of writing laws for future technology, the role of CISA and its accomplishments, the debate around offensive cyber operations and the responsibility of companies like Google in addressing vulnerabilities.

    The need for clear separation between counterterrorism and espionage operations is highlighted, as well as the importance of understanding both defensive and offensive perspectives.

    • Costin Raiu is on vacation.

    Links:

    • Transcript (unedited, AI-generated)
    • Qualys: Remote Unauthenticated Code Execution in OpenSSH
    • CSRB report on Microsoft hack
    • CISA secure-by-design pledge
    • CCC Talk: Operation Triangulation
    • Lawfare: Responsible Cyber Offense
    • Google: Stop Burning Counterterrorism Operations
    • Follow Dave Aitel on Twitter
    • J. A. Guerrero-Saade on Twitter
    • Costin Raiu on Twitter
    • Follow Ryan Naraine (@ryanaraine) on Twitter
    • LABScon - Security Research in Real Time

    Ep2: A deep-dive on disrupting and exposing nation-state malware ops Jun 29, 2024
    Show notes

    The 'Three Buddy Problem' Podcast Episode 2: Ryan Naraine, Costin Raiu and Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade go all-in on the discussion around Google Project Zero disrupting counter-terrorism malware operations.

    A deep dive on disruption vs exposure, the effects of US government sanctions on private mercenary hacking companies, hypocricy and the tricky relationship between malware researchers are the intelligence community, and the lack of 'success stories' from so-called benevolent malware.

    We also discuss the implications of the TeamViewer breach by a skilled Russian APT, new Microsoft notifications to Midnight Blizzard victims and share thoughts on the Polyfill.io supply chain compromise.

    Links:

    • Episode transcript (Unedited, AI-generated)
    • Google: Stop Burning Counterterrorism Operations
    • Russian hackers sanctioned by European Council
    • TeamViewer statement on APT29 breach
    • Polyfill supply chain attack
    • Request a LABScon invite
    • Follow Costin Raiu on Twitter
    • Follow JAG-S on Twitter
    • Follow Ryan Naraine on Twitter

    Ep1: The Microsoft Recall debacle, Brad Smith and the CSRB, Apple Private Cloud Compute Jun 22, 2024
    Show notes

    Welcome to Episode 1 of a brand new cybersecurity podcast discussing the biggest news stories of the week. Ryan Naraine hosts a fast-moving conversation with Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade (LABScon) and Costin Raiu (Art of Noh) on the Microsoft Recall debacle, the dark patterns emerging as big-tech embraces AI, Brad Smith's testimony and the lingering effects of the CSRB report, Apple's new Private Cloud Compute (PCC) infrastructure and Cupertino's long game. Oh, we also talk about the KL ban.

    Links:

    • Microsoft’s embarrassing Recall
    • Brad Smith CSRB testimony
    • Inside Apple Private Cloud Compute
    • LABScon - Security Research in Real Time
    • Follow Costin Raiu (@craiu) / X
    • Follow JAG-S (@juanandres_gs) / X
    • Follow Ryan Naraine (@ryanaraine) / X

    Cris Neckar on the early days of securing Chrome, chasing browser exploits Apr 11, 2024
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    Episode sponsors:

    • Binarly, the supply chain security experts (https://binarly.io)
    • XZ.fail backdoor detector (https://xz.fail)

    Cris Neckar is a veteran security researcher now working as a partner at Two Bear Capital. In this episode, he reminisces on the early days of hacking at Neohapsis, his time on the Google Chrome security team, shenanigans at Pwn2Own/Pwnium, and the cat-and-mouse battle for browser exploit chains. We also discuss the zero-day exploit marketplace, the hype and promise of AI, and his mission to help highly technical founders bring products to market.

    Links:

    • Unedited transcript (AI-generated)
    • Cris Neckar on LinkedIn
    • Cris Neckar Bio (Two Bear Capital)
    • Teenager hacks Google Chrome with three 0days
    • Research on Trident zero-day flaws
    • Cris Neckar podcast transcript (Unedited)

    Costin Raiu joins the XZ Utils backdoor investigation Apr 05, 2024
    Show notes

    Episode sponsors:

    • Binarly, the supply chain security experts (https://binarly.io)
    • XZ.fail backdoor detector (https://xz.fail)

    Malware paleontologist Costin Raiu returns for an emergency episode on the XZ Utils software supply chain backdoor. We dig into the timeline of the attack, the characteristics of the backdoor, affected Linux distributions, and the reasons why 'Tia Jan' is the handiwork of a cunning nation-state.

    Based on all the clues available, Costin pinpoints three main suspects -- North Korea's Lazarus, China's APT41 or Russia's APT29 -- and warns that there are more of these backdoors lurking in modern software supply chains.

    Links:

    • Binarly XZ backdoor detector
    • XZ Utils Backdoor FAQ (by Dan Goodin)
    • CISA advisory on backdoor
    • The JiaT75 (Jia Tan) timeline
    • Unedited transcript

    Katie Moussouris on building a different cybersecurity businesses Jan 19, 2024
    Show notes

    Episode sponsors:

    • Binarly, the supply chain security experts (https://binarly.io)
    • FwHunt (https://fwhunt.run)

    Katie Moussouris founded Luta Security in 2016 and bootstrapped it into a profitable business with a culture of equity and healthy boundaries. She is a pioneer in the world of bug bounties and vulnerability disclosure and serves in multiple advisory roles for the U.S. government, including the new CISA Cyber Safety Review Board (CSRB).

    In this episode, Moussouris discusses Luta Security's new Workforce Platform profit-sharing initiative, the changing face of the job market, criticisms of the CSRB's lack of enforcement authority, and looming regulations around zero-day vulnerability data.

    Links:

    • Luta Security Workforce Platform
    • Katie Moussouris on Wikipedia
    • Moussouris: Resist Urge to Match China Vuln Reporting Mandate
    • Katie Moussouris on LinkedIn
    • Cyber Safety Review Board

    Costin Raiu: The GReAT exit interview Jan 15, 2024
    Show notes

    Episode sponsors:

    • Binarly, the supply chain security experts (https://binarly.io)
    • FwHunt (https://fwhunt.run)

    Costin Raiu has spent a lifetime in anti-malware research, working on some of the biggest nation-state APT cases in history, including Stuxnet, Duqu, Equation Group, Red October, Turla and Lazarus.

    In this exit interview, Costin digs into why he left the GReAT team after 13 years at the helm, ethical questions on exposing certain APT operations, changes in the nation-state malware attribution game, technically impressive APT attacks, and the 'dark spots' where future-thinking APTs are living.

    Links:

    • Costin Raiu on Twitter
    • How to Protect Your Phone from Pegasus and Other APTs
    • Costin Raiu: 10 big 'unattributed' APT mysteries
    • Costin Raiu on the .gov mobile exploitation business
    • WannaCry Ransomware Linked to North Korean Hackers

    Danny Adamitis on an 'unkillable' router botnet used by Chinese .gov hackers Jan 05, 2024
    Show notes

    Episode sponsors:

    • Binarly, the supply chain security experts (https://binarly.io)
    • FwHunt (https://fwhunt.run)

    Danny Adamitis is a principal information security engineer at Black Lotus Labs, the threat research division within Lumen Technologies. On this episode of the show, we discuss his team's recent discovery of an impossible-to-kill botnet packed with end-of-life SOHO routers serving as a covert data transfer network for Volt Typhoon, a Chinese government-backed hacking group previously caught targeting US critical infrastructure.

    Danny digs into the inner workings of the botnet, the global problem end-of-life devices becoming useful tools for malicious actors, and the things network defenders can do today to mitigate threats at this layer.

    Links:

    • Danny Adamitis on Twitter
    • Chinese APT Volt Typhoon Linked to Unkillable SOHO Router Botnet
    • Microsoft Catches Chinese .Gov Hackers Targeting US Critical Infrastructure
    • The KV-botnet Investigation
    • ZuoRAT Hijacks SOHO Routers to Silently Stalk Networks
    • Daniel Adamitis on LinkedIn

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