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AI Cannot Fake This Kind of Learning Jul 22, 2026

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Every few months, another headline declares the college degree dead. This Week with EdSurge puts that claim to the test with two guests defending something slow against something fast. Rita Finkel of the Armory Foundation argues that a four-year degree still holds value at a moment when artificial intelligence can produce a credential adjacent skill in minutes. Then Cobretti Williams of the EdSurge Voices of Change Fellowship makes a similar case for writing, where an essay can take months to draft even though AI could produce one in eight seconds. Both guests land on the same idea: skip the time, and you skip the point.

WHAT YOU'LL LEARN

Bachelor's degree holders earned a median of $81,800 in 2024, compared to $50,600 for high school graduates, a gap of 62%, according to the College Board's Education Pays 2026 report.
From 2000 to 2025, workers with only a high school diploma consistently faced unemployment rates at least 2.3 percentage points higher than college graduates, according to a St. Louis Fed analysis.
A McKinsey survey of more than 3,000 employers found that skills such as critical thinking and judgment remain in high demand from employers even as AI adoption grows.
Cobretti Williams describes how the EdSurge Voices of Change Fellowship helps teachers develop their writing across multiple drafts, arguing that the growth between a fellow’s first and fourth essay only comes from doing the work yourself.

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Why College Degrees Matter in the Age of AI by Rita Finkel

EdSurge Voices of Change Writing Fellowship by EdSurge, featuring Cobretti Williams

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Host: Ira Apfel

Featuring:

Rita Finkel, Co-President, Armory Foundation
Cobretti Williams, Editor, EdSurge Voices of Change Fellowship

3 Gaps Stalling AI in Classrooms Jul 15, 2026

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Microsoft just released the third edition of its global AI in Education report, and the numbers raise more questions than they answer. Ira Apfel sits down with Pat Yongpradit, General Manager of Global Education and Workforce Policy at Microsoft, on the floor at the ISTELive and ASCD Annual in Orlando. They dig into the delta between daily use and overall adoption of AI, a sharp drop in student optimism, and a persistent training divide between what leaders believe and what teachers and students actually experience. The conversation also turns to academic integrity and where the policy backlash against AI in schools may be headed next.

WHAT YOU'LL LEARN

Daily AI use lags far behind overall adoption, with just 33 percent of educators and 27 percent of students using it every day despite nine in ten having tried it.
Student optimism about AI dropped 21 points in a single year, a shift Pat links to a predictable trough in the technology adoption curve.
Three out of four students and half of educators report no formal AI training, even though seven in ten leaders believe their people are trained.
Yongpradit explains why academic integrity worries students and educators for opposite reasons, and what that means for how schools should write AI guidance.

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2026 AI in Education Report, Published by Microsoft

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Host: Ira Apfel

Featuring: Pat Yongpradit, General Manager of Global Education and Workforce Policy, Microsoft

ISTELive 26: Bans, Microdosing, and the Future of AI Jul 08, 2026

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Ira Apfel wraps up a whirlwind week at ISTELive 26 in Orlando with Sarah McKibben, Editor-in-Chief of EdSurge. Together they unpack the buzziest ideas to come out of the conference, including why so many educators are pushing back on AI bans, and what one surprising theory about AI slop means for the future of student writing. From burnout to breakthroughs, this recap captures everything that stuck with them once the convention center emptied out.

WHAT YOU’LL LEARN

Why current education leaders believe relational intelligence could become education’s most valuable currency in the age of AI.
How new research cited at the conference links a steep decline in daily conversation, especially among people under 25, to rising social isolation.
Why one Educational Leadership contributor’s approach to AI in the classroom centers on microdosing rather than banning it outright.
How district leaders are being encouraged to rethink AI policy by comparing it to another everyday risk millions of teenagers already navigate.

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This is a special recap episode from ISTELive 26 in Orlando where Ira and Sarah reflect on the hallway conversations, speaker presentations, and podcast interviews they enjoyed throughout the week. Featured speakers include:

Pat Yongpradit, GM, Education and Workforce Policy at Microsoft
Dr. Nneka McGee, Fmr. Chief Academic Officer and Founder of Muon Global
Isabelle Hau, Executive Director of the Stanford Accelerator for Learning
Heather E. McGowan, Bestselling Author, Leadership Expert, and LinkedIn Global Voice for Education
Melinda Glowacki, MAT Supervisor and Leadership Coach for the University of California, Irvine
Tambra Clark, Technology Integration Facilitator of Birmingham City Schools
Mary Ehrenworth, Author, Speaker, Consultant, from Teachers College, Columbia University
Philip Seyfried, Student, from Teachers College, Columbia University
Jessica Garner, Managing Director, Innovative Learning at ISTE+ASCD
Court Shuller from the Voices of Change Fellowship

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Host: Ira Apfel, Editorial Director, EdSurge

Featuring: Sarah McKibben, Editor-in-Chief, EdSurge

Can an Algorithm Replace a Teacher’s Instinct? Jul 01, 2026

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This week, two teachers take a hard look at what happens when you hand a problem to a tool and trust it to solve that problem. David Webb, a school teacher based in Jakarta, India, spent a year vibe coding an AI-powered library app called LibraryAid and discovered exactly where the algorithm ends and the educator begins. Then, California high school teacher Gabe Nitro makes a counterintuitive argument: the phone pouches sweeping his district may be swallowing the very instructional time they were designed to protect.

WHAT YOU’LL LEARN

David Webb built LibraryAid, a personalized book recommendation app, using vibe coding techniques with no prior computer science background, and the tool now tracks approximately 30 factors, including student interests, reading history, and classroom topics, to generate personalized reading recommendations.
One student reading two grade levels below placement made three times the average reading progress after the app matched him to a book series he loved, demonstrating both the power and the limits of algorithmic recommendation.
A study from the National Bureau of Economic Research found that Yondr pouches had no statistically significant impact on standardized test scores for high schoolers in English, a finding that surprised even teachers who had adopted the pouches.
Gabe Nitro argues that phone pouches consume up to 49 minutes of instructional time per school day in enforcement alone, and that the real distraction problem simply shifts to Chromebooks once phones are sealed away.

STORIES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE

1. Vibe Coding Sparked a Love of Reading in My Classroom by David Webb

2. I’m a Teacher, and I’m Against Phone Pouches by Gabe Nitro

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HOST AND CONTRIBUTORS

Host: Ira Apfel, Editorial Director, EdSurge

Contributors:

David Webb, International school teacher, Jakarta; creator of LibraryAid
Gabe Nitro, High school teacher, California

Is TikTok Now a Teacher Training Tool? Jun 24, 2026

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Two educators are reckoning with who is really in charge: technology or the teacher. First, a teacher notices her students are quietly forming their professional knowledge on TikTok and decides to lean in rather than fight it. Then a high school engineering teacher builds an AI grading tool so efficient that it sent feedback to students without him ever reading it, and confronts what that actually means for his role in the classroom. Together, they raise urgent questions about judgment, accountability, and what teaching is really for.

What You'll Learn

Pre-service teachers are forming their professional knowledge partly through TikTok and social media reels, including content from former teachers who left the profession, raising questions about how teacher prep programs should respond.
Evi Wusk argues that the information gleaned from social media is already shaping how future teachers think, so the more productive move is to help them engage with it critically rather than dismiss or ignore it.
Steven Swanson built a fully automated AI grading tool that sent feedback directly to students without his review, and after a student thanked him for words he never wrote, he rebuilt the tool to put himself back in the loop.
Swanson describes specific assignment types where AI grading adds value versus where it falls short, including the risk of missing opportunities to learn who students actually are as people.

Stories Mentioned in This Episode

What TikTok Is Teaching Future Teachers That We Aren't by Evi Wusk

I Built an AI Grading Tool. Then a Student Thanked Me for Words I Didn't Write. by Steven Swanson

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Host: Ira Apfel, Editorial Director, EdSurge

Guests:

Evi Wusk, Ed.D., teacher educator and author of What TikTok Is Teaching Future Teachers That We Aren't

Steven Swanson, high school engineering teacher and author of I Built an AI Grading Tool. Then a Student Thanked Me for Words I Didn't Write.

Your Kids Know More About AI Than You Do Jun 17, 2026

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Schools are racing to write AI policies, but what if the policy is not the first step? This week, we hear from Aleta Margolis, founder and president of the Center for Inspired Teaching, who argues that real progress starts with a conversation, not a rule. Then EdSurge editor-in-chief Sarah McKibben brings it home with what AI actually looks like at her kitchen table, with two middle schoolers navigating it in real time.

What You'll Learn

A new RAND American Youth Panel survey found that only about one in three students say their school has a school-wide AI policy, and Aleta Margolis of the Center for Inspired Teaching explains why co-creating guidelines with students leads to better outcomes than top-down rule-making.
A recent NPR and Ipsos poll found that 54 percent of teachers say AI is making it harder for students to learn critical thinking skills, and nearly three in four believe its impact on education will exceed that of the internet or computers.
Sarah McKibben describes the mix of productive and concerning AI use she sees with her own children, including a student using an AI humanizer app to avoid plagiarism detection when submitting AI-written essays.
Both guests converge on the idea of productive struggle: the concern is not AI itself but whether students are learning to think with it rather than bypassing the thinking entirely.

Stories Mentioned in This Episode

What to Do About AI: Begin by Talking About It by Aleta Margolis

NPR / Ipsos Poll: Teachers on AI and Critical Thinking

RAND American Youth Panel: Select Findings

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Aleta Margolis, Founder and President, Center for Inspired Teaching

Sarah McKibben, Editor-in-Chief, EdSurge

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Recess, Screens, and Absenteeism Jun 10, 2026

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Schools have been quietly chipping away at recess for nearly a decade, and a sweeping new report from the American Academy of Pediatrics says it is time to stop. Meanwhile, the federal government has issued a formal advisory on screen time and children, raising urgent questions about how schools, parents, and tech companies should respond.

This week, EdSurge reporters Lauren Coffey and Nadia Tamez-Robledo bring both stories together around a single urgent question: what does it look like when kids get less real-world experience and more pressure?

What You'll Learn

The American Academy of Pediatrics updated its recess guidelines for the first time since 2013, expanding its recommendations to include middle and high school students.
One Massachusetts high school cut chronic absenteeism from 35 percent to 23 percent in a single year after introducing movement breaks, suggesting that belonging and physical activity can drive school attendance in meaningful ways.
The screen time advisory issued by HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy calls for bell-to-bell phone bans, warning labels on apps, and the elimination of recommendation algorithms for children, but researchers caution that the evidence linking screen time to negative outcomes is correlation, not proven cause and effect.
Experts warn that broad phone and screen restrictions could inadvertently affect students with IEPs and disabilities who rely on assistive devices, a tension the advisory acknowledges but does not fully resolve.

Stories Mentioned in This Episode

Recess Took a Break in Some Schools. A Push Is On to Bring It Back by Lauren Coffey

Surgeon General Advisory Wants Kids to Live Beyond the Confines of Screens by Nadia Tamez-Robledo

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Ira Apfel, Editorial Director, EdSurge

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Lauren Coffey, Reporter, EdSurge

Nadia Tamez-Robledo, Reporter, EdSurge

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AI Is in Schools. Teachers Are Not Ready. Jun 03, 2026

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Three-quarters of school districts now have AI guidelines, up sharply from just a year ago, yet 82 percent of teachers say they have never received formal guidance on how to use AI in their work. EdSurge reporter Lauren Coffey breaks down the 2026 CoSN State of Ed Tech report and what it reveals about AI adoption, cybersecurity gaps, and edtech vetting inside K-12 districts. Then host Ira Apfel talks with Joseph South, chief innovation officer at ISTE+ASCD, about why teachers say they feel unprepared to bring AI into their classrooms and what it would take to change that.

What You'll Learn

Why AI adoption in K-12 districts jumped from 54 percent in 2025 to 75 percent this year, and why most prefer local flexibility over state or federal mandates.
Why cybersecurity remains many districts' top concern even as two-thirds lack the staff and budget to address it, and what the Canvas ransomware attack reveals about the real cost of that gap.
What the Gallup and Walton Family Foundation data actually shows about the teacher guidance crisis: 82 percent of teachers have received no formal AI guidance, 34 percent have received no guidance at all, and 69 percent have received no guidance specifically on using AI for one-on-one instruction or tutoring.
How districts in Long Beach, Gwinnett County, and Fairfax County are building transparency-first AI frameworks, and what the Lighthouse Schools model offers as a replicable path for districts that want to move without waiting for policy from above.

Stories Mentioned in This Episode

CoSN U.S. State of EdTech 2026 Report with coverage by Lauren Coffey

Teachers Say Lack of AI Guidance Is a Major Problem from Education Week featuring Joseph South, Chief Innovation Officer, ISTE+ASCD

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Ira Apfel: Editorial Director, Journalism

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Lauren Coffey: Reporter, EdSurge (public policy, early childhood education, K-12 technology)

Joseph South: Chief Innovation Officer, ISTE+ASCD

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How a Vacant School Building Became a Symbol of Loss, and Then Hope, for a Dying Small Town Jan 14, 2025

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When the only school in Donora, Pennsylvania, closed a few years ago, it hit the town’s residents hard. Now the building may be the town’s best hope, as a community college considers setting up in the former school. A University of Pittsburgh professor spent three years documenting life in this fading town for an unusual podcast series that ran late last year. Education was a key theme. On this week's EdSurge Podcast, we talk to the professor about her takeaways for the role of education in the many forgotten small towns around the U.S.

How AI Has Changed Student Cheating — And How to Respond Jan 07, 2025

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One long-time expert on preventing student cheating argues that understanding why students cheat is key to making adjustments in teaching to prevent cheating with AI. It's the argument of Tricia Bertram Gallant, a longtime expert in academic integrity who is director of the Academic Integrity Office at the University of California San Diego who co-wrote a new book, “The Opposite of Cheating: Teaching for Integrity in the Age of AI. See show notes at EdSurge.com: https://www.edsurge.com/news/2025-01-07-ai-has-changed-student-cheating-but-strategies-to-stop-it-remain-consistent

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