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03/08/2023
GUEST: ANDREW FREEMAN (LAST IN LINE)
3:30 ANDREW FREEMAN JOINS THE SHOW
5:00 DISCUSSES THE PROCESS OF THE 3RD ALBUM AND THE
DYNAMICS OF WRITING AND RECORDING
DURING A PANDEMIC NOT LIVING IN THE SAME CITIES. THE BAND PRIMARILY LIKES TO “WRITE AS A UNIT”
VS. OVER EMAILING TRACKS.
Half of the album “JERICHO” was done in 2020 and the rest in June of 2022.
6:00 ANDREW DISCUSSES CHANGING FROM FRONTIERS TO earMUSIC STATING
THAT “VIVIAN MADE THE DECISION TO CHANGE AND WOULD NOT ALLOW CHANGES TO THE
ORIGINAL CONTRACT”.
ALL NEW TEAM, LABEL, MANAGEMENT AND WILL “HOPEFULLY WILL
BE BETTER”.
6:45 RECORD RELEASE PARTY DETAILS HARD ROCK CAFÉ
LAS VEGAS STRIP, LAS VEGAS, NV APRIL 1ST, 2023 CALLING IT A “DESTINATION
SHOW”
8:00 FINDING THE BALANCE OF LAST IN LINE AND THE CONFLICTS OF
DEF LEPPARD’S (VIVIAN CAMPBELL) TOUR SCHEDULE.
ANDREW GIGS A LOT DOING LOCAL SHOWS IN VEGAS. “YOU GOTTA FIND A WAY” AS (LAST IN LINE) “IS A SIDE BAND TO DEF
LEPPARD. WAITING AROUND FOR (SCHEDULES
TO OPEN UP) CAN BE FRUSTRATING”.
10:00 WHAT ANGST COMES FROM HAVING LAST IN
LINE BEING HAVING TO PAUSE MOMENTUM DUE TO THE DEF LEPPARD SCHEDULE
“YOU’RE KIND OF A PAWN IN THEIR MASTER PLAN”.
“IT’S
FRUSTRATING”. “IT’S THE NATURE OF THE
BEAST, WHEN YOU ATTACH YOURSELF TO THEIR FAME, YOU’RE JUST A PAWN IN THEIR MASTER
PLAN”
VIVIAN WON’T STOP WHAT HES DOING FOR THIS, YOU’RE EITHER
GONNA DO IT OR NOT (IT’S BLACK OR WHITE)
“VIVIAN IS COMMITTED IN A SENSE; MANY GIGS HAVE BEEN
CANCELLED. HE *(VIV) DOESN’T EVEN KNOW THE SCHEDULE”.
12:00 “IT IS A SIDE PROJECT, IT IS A SERIOUS PROJECT, IT’LL
EXIST UNTIL VIV DOESN’T WANT TO DO IT ANYMORE”
13:00 ANDREW CLARIFIES “THIS WAS NEVER A TRIBUTE TO THE MEMORY TO ANYBODY”
THOSE GUYS “NEVER
REALLY GOT ALONG (WITH RONNIE JAMES DIO)”, THEY “WANTED TO PLAY THE MUSIC THEY
WROTE”, “EVERYTHING IS DUBBED A TRIBUTE NOW”.
14:30 REGARDING THE ALBUMS VIVIAN/VINNY/JIMMY BAIN- “THEY
WANTED TO PLAY SOME OF THEIR OWN (DIO) SONGS, BUT WE WON’T PLAY ANYTHING OFF OF
THE 3RD ALBUM” OR ANY SONGS WRITTEN PRIMARILY BY RONNIE”.
16:30 WE
TALK ABOUT ANDREW’S APPROACH FOR FILLING IN OR REPLACING AN ORIGINAL SINGER OF
OTHER BANDS
“I DON’T THINK OF IT AS A “SHOE FILLING” THING, I’M A GOOD IMITATOR”
“I WANT TO AUDIENCE TO FEEL THAT THEY’RE GETTING SOMETHING ELSE THAT’S JUST AS
GOOD, OR BETTER OR COMPARIBLE”. “I DON’T WANT TO WEAR FRILLY
OUTFITS THAT RONNIE WORE, THAT COMES OFF FAKE”
18:30 “WHEN I FILLED IN FOR CJ (SNARE OF FIREHOUSE), HE WAS NOT
SUPER HAPPY ABOUT IT, I SANG THE SONGS AS ME, THE BEST I COULD, MORE AGGRESSIVELY THAN CJ DID,
NOT SAYING IT’S BETTER, BUT I JUST DID IT MY WAY”
“I FIND A CERTAIN ELEMENT (TO THE SINGER) AND EXPLOIT THAT”
19:00 REGARDING
GREAT WHITE: “THEY’RE
LIKE A BLUES BAND, I WAS
NEVER A BIG FAN OF GREAT WHITE”.
“I LOVED THEIR FIRST ALBUM BUT I WASN’T A FAN OF CERTAIN
ELEMENTS”, “I WANTED TO BRING OUT THE BLUES ELEMENT OUT BY WHAT INSPIRED THAT
MUSIC (NAMES HUMBLE PIE).
“RONNIE
JAMES DIO WAS A BLUES SINGER” EVEN THOUGH HE’S “THE METAL GOD, THE GOD OF
METAL”.
21:30 FOLLOWING UP ON FIREHOUSE (CJ SNARE NOT BEING HAPPY)
AND HOW ANDREW HANDLES SEEING THE ORIGINAL SINGERS OUT ON THE ROAD.
“IF I SEE SOMEBODY GETTING
WEIRD, I CONFRONT IT IMMEDIATELY-I DON’T TAKE SHIT FROM PEOPLE”. “IF SOMEBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH ME (FOR FILLING
IN/REPLACING), I CONFRONT IT FIRST”.
HE RECALLED A MEETING W/ MARQ TORIEN (BULLETBOYS) WHERE HE WENT
UP TO MARQ AND STATED, “HEY MAN, YOU AND I SHOULD BE FRIENDS”, “THIS IS
ALL NONSENSE”, “EVERYBODY IS TRYING TO MAKE MONEY AND STAY OFF THE CONSTRUCTION
SITE; OR GET A REAL JOB”.
24:00 “I GET IT THOUGH”, BUT “WE’RE NOT SAVING
PEOPLES LIVES” “WHEN YOU TAKE YOURSELF TOO SERIOUSLY, YOU’RE GONNA LOSE YOUR
MARBLES”
25:00 NAME BANDS YOU TURNED
DOWN AND WHAT WOULD BE ONE OF YOUR DREAM BANDS TO JOIN? HE DISCUSSES ONE TIME WHEN HE HAD A
CHANCE TO AUDITION FOR ANTHRAX.
HE MENTIONS BANDS IN THE PAST HAVE OFFERED HIM OPPORTUNITIES TO “SCARE
THEIR SINGERS BACK INTO THE BAND”
26:30 WE GO BACK TO GREAT WHITE AND HIS DEPARTURE FROM THE BAND;
WAS IT REALLY JUST SCHEDULING CONFLICTS SINCE YOU KNEW EARLY ON THERE WOULD BE
SOME OVERLAPPING, OR WAS IT SOMETHING ELSE THAT FOUND YOU OUT OF GREAT WHITE?
“I DON’T WANT TO GET THESE
BANDS MORE PRESS FOR WHAT I’M DOING” (IN WHY HE DOESN’T LIKE
TALKING ABOUT IT)
“WHEN I START TALKING
ABOUT THESE HUGE BANDS FROM BACK IN THE DAY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN ME AND
THEM, IT JUST BRINGS MORE PRESS TO THEM”
“I DON’T WANT TO GET THEM ANY MORE PRESS” LIKE BETWEEN “JACK RUSSELL AND
THE OTHER GUY”, “I’VE GOT NO SKIN IN THAT GAME”.
“I
WAS IN THE BAND FOR 4-5 MONTHS, WHY THE FUCK DOES IT MATTER”.
“(GREAT
WHITE) WERE NOT HAPPY WITH THEIR OLD SINGER (MITCH MALLOY), WHAT IT CAME DOWN
TO, MY MANAGER AND THEIR AGENT DIDN’T TALK TO EACH OTHER BUT THEY DIDN’T TALK,
NOBODY WANTED TO BUDGE”
BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY HAD BOOKING ISSUES.
31:00 I WOULD LEAVE LAST IN LINE IN A HEARTBEAT IF
ALICE IN CHAINS, SOUNDGARDEN, LINKIN PARK NEEDED A SINGER.
“AT THE LEVEL THAT GREAT WHITE, LAST IN LINE, FIREHOUSE-
2, 3 FLY DATES PER MONTH, IT’S NOT SUSTAINING”.
“A LOT OF GUYS DO IT” (PLAY IN MULTIPLE BANDS WITH
PROPER MANAGEMENT/AGENTS THAT MAKE IT WORK).
32:30 WHEN PUSHED FURTHER ABOUT IT ANDREW
ANSWERS MORE ABOUT LEAVING GREAT WHITE: “I HAD A GIG BOOKED IN JUNE AND
I GAVE EVERYBODY ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND SOMEBODY DIDN’T WRITE IT DOWN”
(GREAT
WHITE) “THEY DON’T HAVE GREAT COMMUNICATION”, “A (GREAT WHITE) SHOW GOT MOVED
TO A DATE THAT I HAD BOOKED ALREADY, THEY KNEW AND WE TRIED TO FIGURE THAT OUT”. “I CALLED 12 SINGERS TO GET THE DATE COVERED”. “BASICALLY, THEY SCREWED UP, THEIR AGENT
SCREWED UP”.
“I
HAD 3 WEEKS BOOKED IN NOVEMBER (LAST IN LINE), THEY BOOKED (YET) A SECOND SHOW
(HOWEVER) THE LAST WEEK OF LAST IN LINE GOT CANCELLED SO IT WAS A NON-ISSUE”.
“I KIND OF FIGURE OUT THEY WERE GOING TO GET RID OF ME
BEFORE THEY KNEW” (THAT LAST IN LINE HAD CANCELED THEIR LAST WEEK AND THERE
WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A CONFLICT).
“I HAD QUIT IN SEPTEMBER BECAUSE OF THE FIRST CONFLICT AND SOMEBODY GOT MOUTHY
WITH ME OVER EMAIL AND I SAID “I DON’T REALLY NEED THIS GIG”, GET SOMEBODY ELSE”
AND THE PHONE RANG RIGHT AWAY.
“BUT LISTEN, I’M JUST AS REPLACABLE AS THE NEXT GUY”, “I’M
SURE THEY’LL BE FINE WITH THE NEW GUY, I THOUGHT MITCH WAS GREAT”
36:30 “MICHAEL
LARDIE AND I HAD A HANDSHAKE AGREEMENT, IF THIS DOESN’T WORK FOR YOU LET ME
KNOW, NO HARM NO FOUL, THE PROBLEM IS, THEY GOT SNEAKY ABOUT IT”
“ALL COMMUNICATION STOPPED” AND AS THEY FOUND THEIR NEW SINGER (Brett Carlisle).
“I TOLD THEM I WAS AVAILABLE FOR DATES” (THERE WAS ORIGINALLY A CONFLICT FOR) “AND
THEY HAD ALL OF THEIR PLANE TICKETS AND HOTELS FOR THE OTHER GUY” AND THEY DON’T
NORMALLY DO THAT.
37:30 “THEY WANTED ME TO FLY OUT TO A
GIG IN NEW YORK WITH MY SON AND THEY WANTED TO LET ME GO AFTER THE SHOW IN NEW
YORK”. “I’M NOT GONNA FLY ACROSS THE
COUNTRY TO GET FIRED IN FRONT OF MY KID”
“THEY ONLY LISTEN TO ME
WHEN I SAY THE GUYS IN THIS BAND ARE DICKS, THEN IT MAKES A BLABBERMOUTH
HEADLINE” (WHEN STATING HE WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO GIVE A PREPARED STATEMENT
BUT INSTEAD TOLD MORE OF THE STORY).
“THAT
WHOLE THING WAS JUST A LITTLE SNEAKY AND IT DIDN’T NEED TO BE”.
40:00 WE TALK
ABOUT ANDREW PLAYING GUITAR WITH GUYS LIKE COREY GLOVER (LIVING COLOUR), THE
OFFSPRING ETC AND HOW THAT MATERIAL IS HEAVIER.
“I WAS REALLY INFLUENCED BY GRUNGE MUSIC”, “I’D LOVE TO BE IN A
BAND LIKE ALICE IN CHAINS, GRUNGY, ALTERNATIVE ROCK”
42:00 WE TALK ABOUT ANDREW DOING SOME VOICEOVER WORK BACK
IN THE LATE 90’S FOR NICKELODEON (KA-BLAM).
“NOTHING THAT MADE ME A TON OF MONEY”. “THE ONE THAT WAS OF NOTE, I WAS ZAC HANSON OF
THE BAND HANSON”
43:30 WE DISCUSS HIS TIME IN “RAIDING
THE ROCK VAULT” (A 10+ YEAR SHOW IN LAS VEGAS). “I LEFT BECAUSE OF MONEY, I WASN’T GETTING
PAID, I ASKED FOR IT AND I GOT FIRED”.
45:30 WE DISCUSS OTHER PROJECTS IN TOWN- HE IS DOING “LONG
LIVE ROCK” AND SOME SESSION WORK.
PRIMARILY WORKING ON LAST IN LINE FOR GRAPHICS, VIDEOS AND THE
MARKETING.
46:30 DOES VIVIAN EVER OFFER TO PAY FOR VIDEOS AND OTHER THINGS DUE TO HIS
FINANCIAL STATUS WITH DEF LEPPARD? “I DON’T THINK HE’S INVESTED
FINANCIALLY IN THIS, WE GET BUDGETS FROM RECORD LABELS, IT’S AN EQUAL PARTNERSHIP,
BUT HE DEFINETLY GETS THE MOST ATTENTION”.
“WE’VE
BEEN ADDED TO BIG FESTIVALS AND OTHER DEF LEPPARD SHOWS, THE DEF LEPPARD
CRUISE, ETC”.
48:30 WE DISCUSS WHEN ANDREW FILLED IN FOR JOE ELLIOT ON THE DEF
LEPPARD CRUISE IN 2016.
“I KNOW A LOT OF THEIR
STUFF”, “IT WAS EASY FOR ME” “PHIL ASKED WHAT I KNEW, I ASKED PHIL “WHAT DO YOU
KNOW”!
(PHIL) “HE’S
STILL THE NEW GUY TO ME” (LAUGHS)
“USUALLY WHEN I DO THIS (FILL IN), THE (ORIGINAL) GUY ISN’T THERE”.
50:30 BACK IN 2016,
VINNY APPICE WAS ASKED IF WENDY DIO APPROVED OF LAST IN LINE AND WHAT HER REACTION
WAS. HAS IT CHANGED SINCE?
“DEFINETLY NOT, DEFINETLY
NOT APPROVED”, “I’M GOING TO HESITATE FROM ELABORATING BECAUSE I’VE LOST WORK
BECAUSE OF THIS BAND AND THEIR FUED, I’VE LOST WORK”
52:00 WE WRAP UP THE
SHOW BY ASKING “ARE THERE ANY OTHER BRIDGES WE CAN BURN BEFORE WE LET YOU GO”?
WE TALK THE LAST IN LINE RELEASE OF JERICHO AND THE APRIL 1ST
SHOW IN LAS VEGAS AT THE HARD ROCK CAFÉ.
PARTING
WORDS: “I JUST
DON’T CARE ANYMORE, IT’S NOT THAT I DON’T CARE ABOUT DOING THE RIGHT THING, I DON’T CARE IF THESE GUYS LIKE ME OR IF THEY DON’T
LIKE ME ANYMORE”, “IF THEY DON’T LIKE ME, THAT’S FINE, I DON’T CARE, STRAIGHT
UP”!
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