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This Sustainable Life

Do you care about the environment but feel “I want to act, but if no one else does, it won’t make a difference,” and “But if you don’t solve everything, it isn’t worth doing anything”?

We are the antidote! You’re not alone. Hearing role models overcome the same feelings to enjoy acting on their values creates meaning, purpose, community, and emotional reward.

Want to improve as a leader? Bestselling author, 3-time TEDx speaker, leadership speaker, coach, and professor Joshua Spodek, PhD, MBA, brings joy and inspiration to acting on the environment. You’ll learn to lead without relying on authority.

We bring you leaders from many areas — business, politics, sports, arts, education, and more — to share their expertise for you to learn from. We then ask them to share and act on their environmental values. That’s leadership without authority — so they act for their reasons, not out of guilt, blame, doom, gloom, or someone telling them what to do.

Guests include:

Dan Pink, 40+ million TED Talk views

Marshall Goldsmith, #1-ranked leadership guru and author

Frances Hesselbein, Presidential Medal of Freedom honoree, former CEO of the Girl Scouts

Elizabeth Kolbert, Pulitzer Prize-winning author

David Allen, author of Getting Things Done

Ken Blanchard, author of The One Minute Manager

Vincent Stanley, Director of Patagonia

Dorie Clark, bestselling author

Bryan Braman, Super Bowl champion, Philadelphia Eagle

John Lee Dumas, top entrepreneurial podcaster

Alisa Cohn, top 100 speaker and coach

David Biello, Science curator for TED

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280: Paul Smith, part 1: How to tell stories to lead Jan 29, 2020

Show notes

You probably know the value of stories---though it's probably bigger than you think. You probably could improve your storytelling. Even if you're improving, I bet you're focusing on less-important parts of the craft.

Paul Smith teaches storytelling, but as you'll hear, storytelling to lead people is different than just engaging or entertaining them. You'll hear tips and techniques to help you in every part of your life stories matter.

Developing yourself as a storyteller to lead others is different than to engage. Not that there isn't great value in it, but if you want to lead, you'll learn from Paul how and where to focus. I say this as someone who has worked on parts that aren't as valuable as what he talks about.

On the environment, Paul showed the pattern many do at first---they play down their knowledge and experience, but when they talk about it more, caring and passion emerge, as when he talked about China and LA.

Then the more he talked about it, the more emerged.

Paul Smith's page with links to his videos and books

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279: Role model and global leader Mechai Viravaidya Jan 25, 2020

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Here are the notes I read from for this episode

I've said we don't have many role models. Well I found one. I was wrong. I'm going to tell you about a man I briefly mentioned in one of my episodes on Alan Weisman's book Countdown.

He exposes the absolute self-pitying lie that what one person do doesn't matter. Also the lie that government has to act first, or corporations. On the contrary, the fastest, most effective way for them to act is for people to act first. Yes you, here and now can make a difference.

This guy made enormous nation-size headway in the face of government lethargy and complacency on one of the most challenging issues. Most people won't even talk about population and most people enough to realize how it underlies every other environmental issue.

Then most people can't stop their knee-jerk reactions to the same misconceptions. They associate it with

China's one child policy
Eugenics
Forced sterilization and abortions

Despite most fears and misconceptions, this man made enormous progress. He's not the only one, but I'm starting with him.

From his biography's back cover:

In Thailand, a condom is called a "Mechai". Mechai Viravaidya, Thailand's condom King, has used this most anatomically suggestive contraceptive device to turn the conventional family planning establishment on its head. First came condom-blowing contests, then T-shirts with condom shrouded anthropomorphic penises. Then condom key rings followed by a Cabbages and Condoms restaurant, When it comes to condoms, no one has been more creative than the Condom King.

To equate Mechai with condoms or family planning alone underestimates the man and fails to capture his essence. Mechai Viravaidya is engaged in a relentless pursuit to improve the well-being of the poor by giving them the tools to lead a fruitful and productive life. His achievements in family planning, AIDS prevention, and rural development are a means to an end - the alleviation of poverty in Thailand.

Mechai's journey From Condoms To Cabbages - from his roots in family planning to his goal of poverty alleviation - has spanned 34 years. Along the way, he has been labeled a visionary iconoclast and cheerful revolutionary. He is also an ordinary man from modest origins.

From Wikipedia on Mechai:

Mechai Viravaidya is a former politician and activist in Thailand who promoted condoms, family planning and AIDS awareness in Thailand. Since the 1970s, Mechai has been affectionately known as "Mr. Condom", and condoms are often referred as "mechais" in Thailand. From the time that he began his work, the average number of children in Thai families has decreased from 7 to 1.5.

in 1966 started to work in family planning, emphasizing the use of condoms. In 1973, he left the civil service and founded a non-profit service organization, the Population and Community Development Association (PDA), to continue his efforts to improve the lives of the rural poor He used such events as holding condom blowing contests for school children, encouraging taxi drivers to hand out condoms to their customers, and founding a restaurant chain called Cabbages and Condoms, where condoms are given to customers with the bill.

On PDA:

The Population and Community Development Association (PDA) is a non-governmental organization in Thailand. Its goal is to reduce poverty through both development initiatives and family planning programs. Originally called the Community-Based Family Planning Service, it was founded by Mechai Viravaidya in 1974. In the early 1970s, Viravaidya was the Minister of Industry but became frustrated with the government's inability to implement a national family planning policy. In his work with the government, he identified a direct correlation between Thailand's poverty and population growth. His immediate concern was the high population growth rate of 3.2%, which equated to approximately seven children per family.

Initially, the PDA sought to reduce population growth by focusing on efforts both to combat child mortality and to encourage family planning. Viravaidya deduced that family planning would not be widely adopted in Thailand if children did not survive. Therefore, his solution to controlling population growth, which was at 3.3%, was to target maternal and child healthcare. At the same time, the PDA made various methods of birth control accessible to rural populations. The PDA discovered that birth control pills were used by only 20% of the population because getting them required access to medical personnel. To target the remaining 80% of the country, the PDA invested in multiple initiatives - including the popularization of free condoms, increased access to birth control, incentives for women to not become pregnant, and slogans to encourage smaller families.

The Thai family planning programs met notable success. By 2015, total fertility had dropped to 1.5 children per woman. Following on the drop in unwanted fertility, the poverty rate dropped sharply; from 32.4% in 2003 10.9% in 2013.

The Population and Community Development Association has used many different strategies to promote its programs. Often the strategies are considered unique or creative. Some of these strategies include:

Efforts to make condoms more accessible & remove the stigma associated with them, like

Holding condom balloon blowing competitions
Creating a Captain Condom mascot
Making condoms available at associated Cabbages & Condoms restaurants in lieu of mints
Educating children in school
Having Buddhist monks sprinkle holy water on condoms
Overseeing a "Condom is the Girl's Best Friend" campaign
Having police officers distribute condoms in a "Cops and Rubbers" program

Encouraging vasectomies by

Making donations into a community fund for every vasectomy performed
Holding a vasectomy lunch for Americans in Thailand

Increasing the availability of birth control pills

By utilizing floating markets to provide contraceptives/birth control pill
By training of local shopkeepers to prescribe birth control pill

Educating the population about HIV/AIDS

By using of military radio stations

Encouraging development

By making micro-loans available to general villagers at relatively low interest rates, especially for villages that use contraceptives
By creating village banks operated by (mostly) women within the village community

Links:

The Mechai Viravaidya Foundation
Mechai Viravaidya's TEDx talk
His biography
His Wikipedia page
His NGO, Population and Community Development Association's Wikipedia page
The Leadership and the Environment episode that mentioned him

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278: I have an environmental dream Jan 21, 2020

Show notes

Here are the notes I read from for this episode, along with the text of the speech:

You might know I gave a series of talks at NYU that preceded this podcast

One of their themes was parallels between the US civil rights movement of the 50s and 60s and environmental action. Who would have expected it to succeed to the extent it did, however far we have to go?

One attendee, a friend who is black, told me once I talked about it, as a friend he listened, but as he put it, as a black man listening to a white man, he disengaged. He advised me to drop the analogy or I'd lose more people than I'd gain.

I took his advice but now disagree with it. However great the differences, the parallels are too great and if I lose people for how people view a white person discussing civil rights, one of us will have to learn and resolve the problem.

Today being the day the US celebrates MLK's birthday, following my recent application of Henry V's St Crispin's Day speech to environment, I want you to consider a few parts of the I Have a Dream speech.

Let's remember the context. 1963. Nearly a decade after the Montgomery Bus Boycott and many could say no progress had happened.

No one could have known the Civil Rights Act would pass the next year and that King would become the youngest honoree of the Nobel Peace Prize.

People did know that they were being jailed and lynched. People disagreed on strategy. Young men were being drafted and sent to die in Vietnam. Many had lost hope. Every step forward seemed to lead to a step or two back.

King could have talked about the situation they were in. He could have debated what would work or not. He could have dwelled in the present. In other words he could have spoken like most today speak about the environment: doom and gloom, facts and figures.

Instead he shared about a dream of a better future, which helped create it. No we're not done and plenty got worse for many people. Likewise we'll have to face environmental problems increasing for decades maybe centuries to come.

But I think we should learn from him what motivates people and replace what discourages them with it.

Today many speak and act with despair about the environment. Nothing will make a difference. Nobody cares. Too little too late. Let's pick up King's speech near the end

The text of I Have A Dream

Video of the speech:

https://youtu.be/smEqnnklfYs

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277: The joys and challenges if leaving addiction Jan 19, 2020

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Here are the notes I read from for this episode:

I recently recorded conversations with Dr. Joel Fuhrman, Eat to Live
Rewatched The End of Dieting and a part captured me
About stopping a habit, the stages one goes through
Though he talks about food and diet, the same stages and challenges appear in living by your environmental habits.
He starts by talking about how when you start -- eating in his case or avoiding packaged food, not flying, etc if you act on the environment.
He describes everything I went through, from feeling like I couldn't, like I made my way harder or worse, like others could do this, not me
All the way to how I came to love it, find the old ways disgusting
What he talks about the joys, he's speaking from experience that anyone can have, of more of what you love at less cost, more convenience, and so on.
He says taste buds change. They do. You will find packaged food disgusting and fresh fruit unbelievable.
That change will happen in other areas. You'll see buying packaged food unpleasant, same with unnecessary clothes
You'll replace those things with spending time with people you care about, building projects, connecting with people.

After the conversation. . .

I don't know how it sounded when he said you would stop loving the ribs or cheesecake a la mode, or when he mentioned how people say I want to live fully, but that the SAD made your life worse
When you identify your deep motivations and act on them, you'll go through that experience too and you'll love that you did.
I recommend trying. Nothing is motivating me to influence you except that I think you'll enjoy life more after the change
I believe you'll wish you had earlier.
Why not start now? Sit with someone to help you follow the steps in my first TEDx talk and start improving your life.

Dr. Joel Fuhrman's End of Dieting video

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276: Service. stewardship, and the huge rewards they create Jan 18, 2020

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The notes I read from for this episode:

Service and giving back using Jason McCarthy GoRuck guy on Jocko.

Friend, Dan Zehner, knows Jason
Told me about his episode on Jocko Willink's podcast
One section resonated with me because it described what I feel
He speaks as a veteran and starts by describing owing
Jason says elsewhere in the conversation that military service isn't unique in providing these results. Other kinds of service do too.
The sense of service and stewardship, and the depth and meaning of teamwork and community seem similar.
I hear how most people describe the interaction with the environment, grasping to reusing disposable cups.
They sound like they feel shameful and guilty, as if someone else and not their behavior, was causing the feelings
Listen to Jason. Wouldn't you rather sound like him?
Beyond feeling better about personal action, think of the potential to lead, to create that feeling based on effective results in others
Imagine helping transform American and global culture, or your local community, to become clean, to foster and value stewardship, community, and connection
Who wouldn't want this?
The recording starts with a question of Jocko
Hear how much Jason wants to share the meaning and purpose of this activity
By the way, speaking of Dan, we became friends over his doing the exercises in my book Initiative, which led him to create his life's dream project, meeting the top people in the field in the process, and partnering with a dream partner. I'll include a link to his blog, where he is recording his experiences doing the exercises.
If you want to do something meaningful with your life and haven't found a passion to build it on or how to bring it to life or your work, I recommend my book Initiative. Do I sound passionate about my work? This podcast resulted from what it teaches.

Post-episode

He talked about building a bridge between worlds, giving back. Maybe I'm projecting, but I see stewardship, especially environmental stewardship, overlapping with what he talked about. It's service.
We who have acted on our environmental values have to build a bridge to because judgment, guilt, shame, facts, figures, doom, and gloom aren't what we're about, or at least not what I'm about
Stewardship for me is joy, community, connection, meaning, value, importance, purpose, and passion.
The stories I know of people who have acted bring out those things.
Let's make environmental action more about these things. I consider it my responsibility.

Dan Zehner's blog on doing Initiative's exercises
GoRuck
A Forbes article on Jason McCarthy, How A Special Forces Soldier Built A Multimillion-Dollar Backpack Brand
The Jocko podcast episode featuring Jason, 208: March Forward, One Foot In Front Of The Other. With Jason McCarthy
Jocko's TED talk

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275: Go Big Jan 15, 2020

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If you are thinking of doing something to act on the environment, go big. Instead of thinking the littlest thing you can do, think of the future and go big. What's the biggest thing you can do?

Not for others. For what you think is right. For how the future will look back on us. For how we look back on slavery. Would you free your slaves if you were born into that system as a slave owner? How huge a change, but what else could you do? Don't you expect you'd feel good about it?

What can you do on that scale here, affecting billions and all future generations? Think big.

My experience suggests not flying for a year, endeavoring to buy no packaging. Don't turn on your air conditioner or heater all year. You get the idea. Not straws. Selling your car, as Dov Baron did. Not buy clothing for a year like Lorna Davis. Pledge never to eat animal products again like Tom Szaky.

You get the idea. Not straws. I predict you will love the results and, however big your commitment, you will consider it small after you do it and want to do more. Your community will admire you for it, emulate you, and make you a leader. You'll probably get hired or promoted for it.

Podcast guest episodes mentioned on this episode

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274: Applying Leadership and the Environment in corporations Jan 11, 2020

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This episode describes how I train corporate and institutional leaders in environmental leadership.

Here are the notes I read from:

Talking with more and more corporations lately, describing how I work with them
Putting it here for easy reference
You'll see among podcast guests many corporate and institutional people
Lorna Davis of Danone C-Suite
Dominic Barton 3-time Global Managing Director of McKinsey
Beth Comstock, former CMO of GE (when Fortune 5), on Board of Nike
Bob Langert, former Head of CSO at McDonalds
Vincent Stanley, Director of Patagonia, where he's worked since 1973 and professor at Yale School of Management
Tensie Whelan, Director of NYU-Stern's Center for Sustainability and Business, former President of Rainforest Alliance
Col. Everett Spain, West Point's Head of Leadership
Col. Mark Read, West Point's Head of Geologic Engineering
Marine Corp 3-star General Paul Van Riper
Michael Werner, Google's Lead for Circular Economy, formerly similar role at Apple
Gave two talks in 2019 at Google, another at Citi and other banks, IBM, Boston Consulting Group, Coca-Cola, Lululemon
John Lee Dumas, entrepreneur
Dov Baron, leadership guru
Marshall Goldsmith, Dorie Clark, Alisa Cohn, #1 coaches
Behind the scenes, developed a lot with coaching clients at McKinsey, Exxon-Mobil, Columbia Business School
Guest on MAGAmedia.org, a staunchly pro-Trump site, which talked about me supportively on 3 consecutive episodes
Very business friendly because business can benefit from this
Most common response is: I thought it would cost money or take time but it saves money and time.
Most of all for the executives I work with, it replaces not knowing what to do when you have to act but fearing being called greenwashing or hypocritical
for the company, it boosts morale and gives a competitive advantage. Think of how Patagonia can charge a premium.

Context: most companies hear demand from customers, employees, shareholders, and media to be more sustainable.

Almost necessary for top talent. Patagonia doesn't have to advertise new positions. Exxon has to pay top dollar
Just today I talked to a guy who runs a business Exxon wanted to hire. He quoted them a high price because he didn't want to work with
them.
Action usually comes from junior employees. They're younger and face more of their lives with potential catastrophe and they've invested
less in old ways
Easy to think senior decision-makers can just change, after all everything points to acting
Decision-makers are often most vulnerable
We've all heard people and organizations called greenwashing and hypocritical
However well-meaning, accusations make choice for executives easier not to act and risk losing job or company value, even if they want to
act
They think they have to be perfect, an impossibly high bar
They only have to show they are doing their best, a lower bar, but they have to show they are doing it genuinely and authentically.
I enable this, as you can hear from the conversations with the executives I mentioned
For example, Yvon Chouinard of Patagonia behaves far from perfectly, but he hides nothing. As a result, people support him for his flaws
instead of attack, because they see themselves in him
If you act without sharing yourself, people judge your actions against perfection.
If you share yourself---that's what leaders do, they allow themselves to be vulnerable---then they support you
I've refined my technique over hundreds of projects with executives and leaders in business, politics, culture, eduction, military, etc
I will describe two parts: the building block, which I describe in more depth in my first TEDx talk, which describes the environmental leadership process with one person.
One person won't change a culture, so I'll describe the second part, which uses many building blocks to transform a corporation.

The Building Block

The building block is a 4-step process to ask what people care about, have them create a way to act on it, make it manageable, and add accountability, where they report how it went
It goes well and they want to share. They know that when they share what they care about people connect with it.
If their employees just heard, we're going to use less plastic, well that might mean they're trying to save money
If they hear their CEO sharing trying to do his or her best, they see him or her doing what they want to do themselves. By supporting the CEO, they support themselves. So they don't attack, they support.

Building corporate culture with the building block

Still the CEO is one person. I do the building block with a team including several executives and a few junior people who will implement the results.
We pick an audience to hear the recordings, which could be just the team if they're private, employees if their goal is mainly morale, clients if their goal is sales, the public if PR. The point is someone has to hear for accountability and to motivate depth, but the team chooses for its goals.
I do the building block with all ten people (could be half a dozen or a dozen). Most tasks take 2 weeks or a month
I meet with them in a month, ask how it went, how it affected them emotionally, their relationships.
They always learn. Then I do the building block again, this time restricting the task to in the office.
We meet again after they finish their second task. Now they've collectively done 20 tasks, the second usually bigger and more rewarding than first
Third meeting we meet as group for a half to full day exercise
Based on experience and teamwork, this exercise leads them to create a team exercise based on experience, that the company will implement, usually led by the two junior people who have been part of this engagement from the start
I don't know the company. I don't create the project. They do. I'm like a basketball coach. I don't put the ball in the hoop. The experienced people do.
I know how to lead individuals and a team to face and overcome the unique challenges of environmental leadership -- feelings of shame, guilt, helplessness, anxiety, futility, and so on.
When they bring to company a project, they aren't saying do as I say, not as I do. They're saying: hear my humanity and struggles. I did my best, grew to learn, and am sharing joy and discover with you. Community, connection.

Conclusion

I'll leave off here for now, but I wanted to share the professional, executive work I'm doing.
If corporations and governments aren't involved, we'll get almost nowhere.
I want to engage and activate them so they love acting, get competitive advantages, boost morale, attract talent, etc for acting more sustainably.
If they don't their competitors will, so why not enjoy it and act first?

My TEDx talks

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273: We few, we happy few, we band of brothers Jan 10, 2020

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I understand why historical reasons lead us to look to scientists, journalists, educators, and legislators for leadership, but they don't know how to lead. They may excel at their crafts, but sharing research however accurate, or stirring controversy, spreading facts and figures, and chasing votes rarely inspire people to change their behavior.

I've long looked to Mandela, King, and Gandhi as role models. I'm increasingly looking at leaders who inspire people to act against challenges when they would otherwise feel hopeless, futile, defeated, and complacent.

Henry V's speech to the outnumbered British in Agincourt, as Shakespeare recounted, stands the test of time. Now that the science is overwhelming---look at nearly any beach in the world to see we're losing to plastic as just one example---we need motivation and inspiration to act more than more science.

I draw on Henry V's sentiment and apply it to our situation. Here's the text:

KING HENRY V

What's he that wishes so?

My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin:

If we are mark'd to die, we are enough

To do our country loss; and if to live,

The fewer men, the greater share of honour.

God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.

By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,

Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;

It yearns me not if men my garments wear;

Such outward things dwell not in my desires:

But if it be a sin to covet honour,

I am the most offending soul alive.

No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England:

God's peace! I would not lose so great an honour

As one man more, methinks, would share from me

For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!

Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,

That he which hath no stomach to this fight,

Let him depart; his passport shall be made

And crowns for convoy put into his purse:

We would not die in that man's company

That fears his fellowship to die with us.

This day is called the feast of Crispian:

He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,

Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,

And rouse him at the name of Crispian.

He that shall live this day, and see old age,

Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,

And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'

Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.

And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'

Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,

But he'll remember with advantages

What feats he did that day: then shall our names,

Familiar in his mouth as household words,

Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,

Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,

Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.

This story shall the good man teach his son;

And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,

From this day to the ending of the world,

But we in it shall be remember'd;

We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;

For he to-day that sheds his blood with me

Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,

This day shall gentle his condition:

And gentlemen in England now a-bed

Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,

And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks

That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

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272: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, pumping iron, and the environment Jan 06, 2020

Show notes

Ruth Bader Ginsburg knows about lifting weights and exercising because she does it. No amount of reading, watching TED videos, debating, or analysis can match experience.

People who only read, research, and academically learn about performance-based activities don't know what they're talking about.

Any parents out there? I don't have kids. Am I qualified to advise you on how to raise your kids? I bet you learned more in the first ten seconds of parenthood than I have in decades of life.

People who have only learned academically about the environment don't know what they're talking about. Sadly, their ignorance of what causes our environmental problems doesn't stop them from advising people. That ignorant group includes everyone who hasn't acted significantly---that is, nearly all Americans. Likely nearly everyone alive.

Anyone regular exerciser will tell you the benefits beyond what a book can. Ginsburg doesn't exercise because if she doesn't people will die. She does it because it improves her life, contributing to her mental and physical sharpness.

Likewise, anyone who seriously acts environmentally may have started to overcome shame, guilt, or averting some negative, but they keep doing it for the benefit to their lives.

Act.

Get experience.

Find the joy.

Live the joy of environmental stewardship.

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271: Vanessa Hering, part 1: Champion body builder, vegan, Ivy MBA Jan 06, 2020

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Vanessa's original post said she

Wanted to be a better advocate for veganism: so I trained 1.5 years and won the UPENN body building competition.

When asked why, she wrote

For the animals, for health, for the environment.

Never thought I would have the amazing privilege to be educated at an Ivy League school like University of Pennsylvania, but being there I had to use the opportunity to showcase the possibilities of a plant based diet: and how you can thrive with this lifestyle!

My peers will go on to be doctors, lawyers, politicians, ceos, and I wanted them to see me on stage winning this as a vegan.

My classmates come to the show with signs that said #plantprotein because that is what I always hashtag on my Venn Hering Instagram

I also wrote my masters thesis on plant based diets and the link between toxic masculinity and meat consumption. It was selected by a panel of academics as the best in the class!

Progress is happening and I wanted to be a part of the movement :)

So I asked her about these things, the back story, the results, the hopes, and the dreams.

Her food pictures in Instagram are incredible, by the way, different but similar to my famous no-packaging vegetable stews, so I loved them.

The before and after picture she posted came up in conversation, so I put it here.

Also watch her videos.

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