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    This Sustainable Life

    Do you care about the environment but feel “I want to act, but if no one else does, it won’t make a difference,” and “But if you don’t solve everything, it isn’t worth doing anything”?

    We are the antidote! You’re not alone. Hearing role models overcome the same feelings to enjoy acting on their values creates meaning, purpose, community, and emotional reward.

    Want to improve as a leader? Bestselling author, 3-time TEDx speaker, leadership speaker, coach, and professor Joshua Spodek, PhD, MBA, brings joy and inspiration to acting on the environment. You’ll learn to lead without relying on authority.

    We bring you leaders from many areas — business, politics, sports, arts, education, and more — to share their expertise for you to learn from. We then ask them to share and act on their environmental values. That’s leadership without authority — so they act for their reasons, not out of guilt, blame, doom, gloom, or someone telling them what to do.

    Guests include:

    • Dan Pink, 40+ million TED Talk views
    • Marshall Goldsmith, #1-ranked leadership guru and author
    • Frances Hesselbein, Presidential Medal of Freedom honoree, former CEO of the Girl Scouts
    • Elizabeth Kolbert, Pulitzer Prize-winning author
    • David Allen, author of Getting Things Done
    • Ken Blanchard, author of The One Minute Manager
    • Vincent Stanley, Director of Patagonia
    • Dorie Clark, bestselling author
    • Bryan Braman, Super Bowl champion, Philadelphia Eagle
    • John Lee Dumas, top entrepreneurial podcaster
    • Alisa Cohn, top 100 speaker and coach
    • David Biello, Science curator for TED

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    640: Mark Mills, part 2: Low cost, high availability energy creates wealth Nov 02, 2022
    Show notes

    Mark and I share more highly researched, thoughtful conversation on human welfare and the environment. We see things differently, but I consider our conversations the type we should have more of.

    This session we cover

    • The book Limits to Growth as well as the concepts underlying limits to growth
    • Earth's carrying capacity
    • How much wealth is consumed by food and fuel, now and historically, and how much it's dropped
    • How the low cost and high availability of energy has allowed us to devote more money for other things, inventions, and life improvements
    • What is pollution?

    and plenty more.

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    639: Bruce Robertson and Milad Mousavian: Carbon Capture and Storage Is Not a Climate Solution Oct 26, 2022
    Show notes

    I learned of Bruce and Milad's Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis (IEEFA) report, The Carbon Capture Crux – Lessons Learned, with fascination since I held out for carbon capture to be one of the major potential solutions to climate change. Though climate is only one of the many environmental problems risking civilization, it's one of the big ones.

    I contacted them to learn what could work or not. Many projections take for granted that today's unproven technologies will work in time to help, but our wanting them to work doesn't mean they will.

    In our conversation, we talked about their findings and what they meant. Sadly, the results aren't pretty. As they said “as a solution to tackling catastrophic rising emissions in its current framework however, CCS is not a climate solution.”


    Some highlights from the report:

    They studied 13 flagship large-scale carbon capture and storage (CCS)/carbon capture utilisation and storage (CCUS) projects in the natural gas, industrial and power sectors in terms of their history, economics and performance. These projects account for around 55% of the total current operational capacity worldwide.

    They found seven of the thirteen projects underperformed, two failed, and one was mothballed.

    "CCS technology has been going for 50 years and many projects have failed and continued to fail, with only a handful working. Many international bodies and national governments are relying on carbon capture in the fossil fuel sector to get to Net Zero, and it simply won’t work. Although some indication it might have a role to play in hard-to-abate sectors such as cement, fertilisers and steel, overall results indicate a financial, technical and emissions-reduction framework that continues to overstate and underperform.”

    The study found that Shute Creek in the U.S. underperformed its carbon capture capacity by around 36% over its lifetime, Boundary Dam in Canada by about 50%, and the Gorgon project off the coast of Western Australia by about 50% over its first five-year period.

    “The two most successful projects are in the gas processing sector – Sleipner and Snøhvit in Norway. This is mostly due to the country’s unique regulatory environment for oil and gas companies,” said Robertson. “Governments globally are looking for quick solutions to the current energy and ongoing climate crisis, but unwittingly latching onto CCS as a fix is problematic.”

    Last week the Australian government approved two new massive offshore greenhouse gas storage areas, saying CCS “has a vital role to play to help Australia meet its net zero targets. Australia is ideally placed to become a world leader in this emerging industry”.

    However, Robertson says, carbon capture technology is not new and is not a climate solution. “As our report shows, CCS has been around for decades, mostly serving the oil industry through enhanced oil recovery (EOR). Around 80–90% of all captured carbon in the gas sector is used for EOR, which itself leads to more CO2 emissions.”

    Robertson says more research could be done on CCS applications in industries where emissions are hard to abate such as, cement, as an interim partial solution to meeting net zero targets. “As a solution to tackling catastrophic rising emissions in its current framework however, CCS is not a climate solution.”

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    638: Mat Johnson: Exploring and Expressing Identity Oct 24, 2022
    Show notes

    Longtime listeners know I spent some formative years in some rough neighborhoods in Philadelphia. In researching them for my upcoming book, I discovered the many-award-winning book Loving Day by Mat Johnson took place largely a block from where I lived. His Wikipedia page showed he went to grade school with my stepbrother and stepsister.

    I read and loved Loving Day, which not only described my neighborhood, it explored it through race, which I was looking to understand, and it was raw and vulnerable, which I struggle to create in my writing. It opens: "In the ghetto there is a mansion, and it is my father's house." That house was a block from my home.

    Loving Day led me to read his books Pym, Incognegro, and Incognegro Renaissance, all of which I enjoyed, comprising most of the fiction I've read lately. I invited him to this podcast to explore all these topics. Since he teaches writing at the graduate level and has written so much, he shared more than I had hoped for, to my pleasant surprise.

    I think of this episode as less about the environment and more personal to me and my history, but his experience in creative expression and teaching will make it valuable to all.

    • Mat's home page

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    637: Holly Whitaker: Overcoming Addiction, Embracing Freedom Oct 21, 2022
    Show notes

    I read Holly's book because I see us as a society and individuals addicted to what pollution brings. What can we learn from someone who overcame a different addiction?

    Holly's book is the opposite of a downer. It's spirited, researched, personal, and engaging. She reveals with infectious anger how society profited at wrecking her life, telling her poison was normal and good. Most of all, she shares how before stopping her addiction she thought sobriety looked impossible to achieve and boring if she did, but after sobriety, she loved life beyond what she could have imagined and beyond what an addiction-based society conditioned her to expect.

    We live in a society built on addiction. We created it. Almost every sentence in her book applies directly to our addictions to what pollution brings: flying, social media, fashion, and so on, all lowering our quality of life, controlling us, hiding from us reality and how joyful life can be.

    In our conversation we talk about the forces around us hell-bent on addicting us, creating craving and emotion to lock us in and keep us coming back. She agrees on how her experience applies to pollution.


    • Holly's home page
    • Her New York Times bestseller: Quit Like a Woman: The Radical Choice to Not Drink in a Culture Obsessed with Alcohol

    From Holly's page, how to follow and connect:

    The best way to follow my work is to sign up for my weekly Newsletter. I have a new podcast called Quitted. You can buy my book here.
    You can find some of my old writings on my Substack; some on Hip Sobriety (this is currently archived), and old podcast episodes of Home on iTunes.
    I have a forty day email course available for purchase to aid with recovery, you can find that here.

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    636: Mark P. Mills, part 1: "Renewables" aren't renewable Oct 19, 2022
    Show notes

    Mark is a physicist who went into business around the environment. There aren't many of us, so I think you'll hear a rapport we enjoyed that I think you'll enjoy too. We indulge in physicist talk.

    I contacted him because I found his reports on what solar and wind---what I don't see how we can call renewable, green, or clean energy sources---require in their manufacture, transportation, installation, decommissioning, and more. Many fans of such technologies gloss over their problems, which seems to me irresponsible. If we are not honest about them we will make mistakes. Partisanship is a problem when there are testable answers to how much a particular solar installation or strategy to lower emissions works.

    Mark looks at possible futures but also returns to what's happening today, what works now, not just in the future. He looks at what's going on behind the scenes that can be measured. I recommend reading his work I link to below.

    We talk about the book Limits to Growth, I welcome his views though, for the record, don't find it as wrong as he does. I consider its systemic approach essential and didn't view its simulations as predictions so much as learning what patterns our global environmental and economic system could show.

    I use solar, but don't consider it a long-term solution. I also don't think things like nuclear and fusion work long-term either, but we didn't get to that topic. We'll continue our conversations, though, which I look forward to.

    • Mark's book: The Cloud Revolution: How the Convergence of New Technologies Will Unleash the Next Economic Boom and A Roaring 2020s

    Some of my favorite of Mark's posts and videos

    • Mines, Minerals, and “Green” Energy: A Reality Check
    • The “New Energy Economy”: An Exercise in Magical Thinking
    • The Hard Math of Minerals
    • 41 Inconvenient Truths on the “New Energy Economy”
    • What’s Wrong with Wind and Solar?
    • How Much Energy Will the World Need?

    Mark's podcast

    • The Last Optimist

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    635: John Biewen, part 2: Turning off screens at 8pm Oct 09, 2022
    Show notes

    Do you keep your screens by your bed? Do you find yourself running in circles like: Twitter to email to latest news to Facebook to Instagram to Twitter and repeating the cycle forever?

    John shares his results committing to turning off his screens no matter what at 8pm a couple nights a week. Do you imagine it would affects his relationship with his wife, with whom he watched shows and movies? Would he get more anxious or less? Read more or sleep earlier? What do you think you would do?

    He shared what worked, what challenged things he needed to do for work, feelings of addiction.

    Toward the end he generalized to patriarchy, hierarchy, race, and leadership. Before recording we planned to keep the conversation short, but kept feeling engaged so kept it going. I think you'll find it engaging too.

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    634: Donald Robertson, part 1: Thinking in Systems (a third listener episode) Oct 08, 2022
    Show notes

    Don regularly reads my blog. We've emailed for years so after inviting to record episodes with other listeners, I invited him.

    We both find a systems perspective the most effective way to understand and act on our environmental problems. I enjoyed talking to him about systems. Many people see them as technical, to the extent they get the view at all, but you don't have to work with them that long to see they are how to understand the environment and how we can act on it effectively.

    The alternative is to keep proposing solutions that sound nice but exacerbate our problems, things like trying to reduce carbon emissions alone, carbon offsets, recycling, chasing efficiency, and plans that accelerate the system and its polluting results. What works is changing our values, goals, images, beliefs, and things leaders work on. Changing the system, not being more efficient.

    If you get and like systems, you'll find our conversation refreshing. If you don't get systems, you'll appreciate learning from our conversation.

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    633: Alan Ereira, part 1: Meeting the Kogi of Colombia's Sierra Nevada mountains Oct 03, 2022
    Show notes

    I learned of Alan soon after learning of the Kogi (see below). He lived with and made films of them, among many other documentaries and films. He also works to help preserve their culture and spread their message to help us stop wrecking our environment and selves through the Tairona Heritage Trust, which you can support.

    His films about them---From the Heart of the World - The Elder Brother's Warning (1990) and Aluna - An Ecological Warning by the Kogi People (2012)---tell stories and show a culture I consider tremendously valuable. As I live more sustainably, I learn more about cultures that live without polluting and are happy and healthy, contrary to what our culture predicts. They look at us and see we could use help seeing how much we hurt others, ourselves, and our future.

    In our conversation, Alan shares his experiences with them, working with them to record their messages, and stories behind the stories that made part of their (and his) message more meaningful.


    About the Kogi:

    The Kogi descended from Tairona culture, an advanced civilization that flourished before the Spanish conquest. The Carib invasion around 1000 CE forced them to move into the highlands. They moved farther up when the Spanish entered in the fifteenth century. Missionaries tried to influence their culture, building chapels and churches to convert them. The Kogi have remained in their home in the mountains, avoiding the effects of colonization, living traditionally.

    The Kogi have no written language yet they practise a philosophy and form of thought that has been pretty effectively destroyed everywhere else by the advance of the modern world. They consider themselves to be the guardians of the Earth and are worried by our attempts to destroy it. They refer to us as Younger brother. Their communities are governed by Mamas, who are always male and their female equivalents, Sagas. They are much more than just leaders. Kogi culture centres on a belief that the material world is the physical trace of a thought-world sustained in "Aluna". Aluna is not just a spirit world but the thinking and acting life force. The role of the Mamas is to mediate between the physical world and "Aluna" to ensure that dangerous and destructive forces are held in check. Maintaining their culture and way of life is essential if life on Earth is to continue for all of us. The Kogi are trying to preserve a world of ideas that was once shared by all humanity but which is now all but lost.


    • Alan's first documentary on the Kogi (1990): From the Heart of the World - The Elder Brother's Warning
    • His second (2012): Aluna - An Ecological Warning by the Kogi People
    • Alan's home page
    • The Tairona Heritage Trust, where you can learn about and donate to help the Kogi help us

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    632: Mitzi Perdue, part 1: Sex Trafficking in Ukraine Sep 28, 2022
    Show notes

    Mitzi just returned from the Ukraine War, invited by General Andriy Nebytov from the Kyiv Regional Police. He invited her after reading her piece Human Trafficking on Ukraine’s Border to see this trafficking in person. She saw abductions happening, powerless to act, as traffickers controlled the region.

    She describes what she saw. This episode isn't graphic, but sober. We'd prefer to live in a world without what she described, but I believe if it exists, better to know about it than not.

    She also shares what we can do to help and how, in particular helping the charity she created.

    • Mitzi's home page
    • Mitzi's Ukraine charity, ULET Group

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    631: Stephen M. R. Covey, part 1.5: To Arrive Where We Started and to Know the Place for the First Time Sep 25, 2022
    Show notes

    Continuing a long trend of guests sharing partially doing their commitments but not stopping, Stephen comes back for an episode 1.5, not yet his episode 2.

    Stephen committed to sharing his childhood family experiences hiking on a path near a family cabin (my description doesn't do justice to his description, so listen to his first episode, 622, to hear his description drawing on his life experiences). As happens sometimes when a commitment depends on other people, their being unavailable meant he couldn't complete the whole things.

    He did his part, as he describes in this episode, and he could have declared he consider it enough. Instead, he shares what happened this time, and that he doesn't consider his commitment finished.

    He shares what worked, what didn't, the experience of walking solo (and biking there instead of driving).

    Genuine, authentic leaders know one's measure of personal success depends not on things outside of your control. You succeed if you perform to your potential.

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