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We’ve been taught that success means pushing harder, doing more, and staying productive at all costs. But what if the real secret to sustainable success isn’t grinding harder — it’s learning how to pace yourself?
In this episode, Nicole sits down with award-winning journalist and author Elizabeth Svoboda to unpack the science, psychology, and strategy behind pacing. From elite athletes to ambitious women juggling careers, relationships, and impossible expectations, this conversation explores why burnout isn’t proof of dedication — it’s often proof that something needs to change.
Elizabeth shares how elite performers actually use rest, recovery, flexibility, and energy management to stay at the top of their game for the long haul. Together, Nicole and Elizabeth challenge hustle culture, perfectionism, and the toxic belief that women should operate at 110% all the time.
They discuss:
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Why ambitious women tend to swing between overworking and complete exhaustion
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The surprising pacing lessons we can learn from Olympic athletes
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How burnout impacts confidence, relationships, health, and creativity
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The concept of “rigid flexibility” and why structure alone doesn’t work
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Why rest should match effort — not just be treated as a reward
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How to recognize your personal energy rhythms and work with them instead of against them
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The connection between pacing, longevity, and sustainable success
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Why slowing down can actually make you more effective, focused, and fulfilled
Because constantly running yourself into the ground isn’t strength — it’s just a socially rewarded form of self-destruction.
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Connect with Elizabeth:
Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Art-of-Pacing/Elizabeth-Svoboda/9781668022412
Website: https://www.elizabethsvoboda.com
IG: https://www.instagram.com/svobodster/
LI: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabethsvoboda/
Newsletter: https://elizabeth-svoboda.beehiiv.com
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