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Latest Episodes:

How to Pray When Work Hurts with Keisha Fowler & Darrel Harvey Sep 21, 2026

Learn three practical ways to pray when your job is hurting you, and why God isn't offended by angry, confused, or desperate prayers.

Hosts Keisha Fowler and Darrell Harvey get honest about what it feels like to be broken by work, whether it's a toxic workplace, burnout from emotionally heavy work, or a job that looked perfect on paper but wasn't.

They share personal stories of prayer for problems at work, offer real strategies for prayer when overwhelmed, and walk through three prayer frameworks you can use the next time work hurts.

⏱️CHAPTERS

[00:00] Intro

[01:03] Welcome to the episode: how to pray when work hurts

[01:33] When work breaks us

[03:42] Darrell's story: the job that should have been perfect

[04:10] Where do you even start praying in the pain?

[05:00] Petition prayers: "Get me out of here, God"

[08:14] The long road to healing

[10:19] You're not alone: the power of community

[13:18] Prayers that soothe you while you're still in it

[14:13] The wall between two prisoners: pain as connection to God

[16:19] Slowing down and bringing your body into prayer

[21:51] Three frameworks for prayer

[22:14] Framework 1: Praying through liturgy

[23:47] Framework 2: Writing your own liturgy

[25:05] Framework 3: Reminding God who He is

[26:36] The Prayer of Unknowing (Thomas Merton)

[27:44] Closing: Work Matters Institute

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This episode is sponsored by Schuber Mitchell - https://www.schubermitchell.com/

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Does My Work Matter to God? with the Workmatters Team Sep 14, 2026

We’re back with Season 3 of the Workmatters Podcast!

In this first episode the Workmatter’s team answers the question every believer eventually asks about their job, purpose, and place in God's story.

Whether you're behind a desk, on a job site, or between jobs right now, this conversation tackles the doubt that creeps in when work feels menial or disconnected from faith.

Darrell, Brandon, and Keisha dig into what the Bible actually says about faith and work, why most of us start the story of work in the wrong chapter (curse, not calling), and how finding purpose at work starts with seeing your skill set as something God is genuinely proud of.

⏱️CHAPTERS
[00:00] Intro
[01:09] Does My Work Matter to God?
[06:58] Why We Doubt Our Work Matters
[08:46] The Real Story of Work (Genesis 1 vs. Genesis 3)
[14:12] Exodus 31: God's Bragging Rights Over Your Skillset
[19:20] Why Unemployment Wounds Our Humanity
[24:49] Learning to Receive When You're Used to Giving
[29:33] 3 Practical Ways to Remember Your Work Matters
[33:16] Closing & Work Matters Institute

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Ready to connect your Sunday faith to your Monday work? Join the Work Matters Institute - a transformational 10-session course covering practical teaching, spiritual formation, leadership development, and workplace discipleship.

👉 Learn more: https://workmatters.org

🔔 Subscribe for more conversations on faith, leadership, and finding purpose in your work.

#WorkMattersPodcast #FaithAndWork #ChristianLeadership #WorkplaceCulture #ChristianEntrepreneur #PurposeDrivenWork

How to Live Out Your Faith at Work (Without Making It Weird) with Julia Oltmanns Aug 17, 2026

Faith and Work - How to live out your faith at work with wisdom, legal clarity, and courage, without making it weird.

HR and employment law expert Julia Oltmanns (Coca-Cola Consolidated, Zurich, Strategic People Partners) joins the Workmatters team to unpack what it actually means to be a disciple of Jesus at work - legally, practically, and relationally.

From starting a Christian employee resource group to praying before your day even begins, Julia shares hard-won wisdom on discernment, workplace boundaries, and building trust-based relationships that naturally open the door to faith conversations at work.

⏱️ CHAPTERS
[00:00] Intro
[01:07] Meet Julia Oltmanns: HR, employment law & faith
[03:31] Staying "neutral" vs. living out faith at work
[04:54] Julia's awakening: what God really wanted from her at work
[06:55] Starting a Christian employee resource group at Zurich
[09:13] Whole-life discipleship and the faith-work gap
[10:54] Practicing your faith at work — legally
[12:18] Sharing your story without making it weird
[14:01] Discernment: knowing when and how to engage
[16:16] Demanding your rights vs. showing love
[19:03] When your faith request gets denied
[21:26] Persecution, blessing, and being a disciple at work
[22:20] Case study: how Coca-Cola Consolidated shows up for employees
[24:47] Living out love as a workplace pillar
[25:58] How love opens doors to faith conversations
[29:21] One thing to try tomorrow: start with prayer
[31:14] Where to find Julia Oltmanns

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🔗 CONNECT WITH JULIA

LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/julia-oltmanns/

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Finding Purpose at Work: Stop Building Your Own Kingdom with Jennifer Cristofaro Aug 03, 2026

Finding Purpose at Work - Realtor and nonprofit founder Jennifer Cristofaro shares how a near-fatal heart attack rewired the way she saw success, calling, and business as a mission field.

Jennifer, co-founder of Mission House Real Estate and the food-truck ministry For the Love, unpacks what it looks like when your vocation and your mission stop competing and start working together.

Darrell and Brandon dig into faith and work integration, Christian leadership in business, and what it actually costs to build a company around generosity instead of gain.

⏱️ CHAPTERS
[00:59] Meet Jennifer Cristofaro
[02:52] "I stopped dreaming for myself and started dreaming for others"
[04:00] Her favorite quote on committed, thoughtful action
[06:37] The origin story of the For the Love food truck
[07:51] Living on "the edge of yikes"
[09:11] What Neighbor Night is really about
[10:14] Lives changed around the table
[13:09] Growing to 4 locations, 1,400 people fed weekly
[14:18] Why real estate is kingdom work
[16:41] Navigating hard ethical moments in business
[17:27] "People are the purpose. Work is the mission field."
[18:11] Discerning the Holy Spirit's voice in daily decisions
[19:51] Building a Christ-centered team culture
[20:34] The heart attack that changed everything
[23:11] 3 things you can do right now to rethink your work
[26:19] Where to find Mission House Real Estate & For the Love

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🔗 CONNECT WITH JENNIFER
Mission House: https://missionhouserealestate.com/
For the Love: https://www.forthelovenwa.com/

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🎓 TAKE THE NEXT STEP
Ready to connect your Sunday faith to your Monday work? Join the Work Matters Institute — a transformational 10-session course covering practical teaching, spiritual formation, leadership development, and workplace discipleship.
👉 Learn more: https://workmatters.org

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#WorkMattersPodcast #FaithAndWork #ChristianLeadership #WorkplaceCulture #ChristianEntrepreneur #PurposeDrivenWork

What AI Reveals About How You Really See Your Team with Matt Randerson Jul 20, 2026

Faith and work integration means wrestling honestly with how fast the world is changing, including AI, without losing sight of who we are.

In this episode, you'll learn why every leader is headed toward a defining moment: will you treat people as a cost to manage, or as true image bearers of Christ entrusted to your stewardship?

Darrell sits down with Matt Randerson, Founder & CEO of Human Culture, to explore christian leadership in business through the lens of AI adoption. Matt shares why efficiency isn't the whole story, how leaders can redeploy human capital instead of cutting it, and why using AI doesn't make you "less human" it can actually reconnect you with your calling to create as an image bearer of God.

⏱️ CHAPTERS

0:23 – Welcome to the Workmatters Podcast

1:00 – Meet Matt Randerson, Founder & CEO of Human Culture
2:28 – Family update: baby #2 on the way
3:20 – Matt's faith story and how he landed in business, not ministry
4:49 – Why Matt started Human Culture: protecting the human element
6:19 – What Human Culture actually does for organizations
7:41 – How leaders and companies are really responding to AI
8:54 – Why AI's rapid rise triggers identity questions
10:06 – The moment every leader will face: commodity or image bearer?
12:09 – Jensen Huang's quote on imagination vs. layoffs
13:56 – Redeploying human capital instead of cutting it
17:16 – AI, distraction, and our relationship with God
17:55 – Rewiring the narratives we tell ourselves about AI
20:39 – Is using AI "cheating"? Wrestling with integrity
22:50 – Reintroducing friction: Matt's practice for staying human
26:03 – Two practical steps: engage your narrative, go create
28:39 – Rapid-fire: unplugging, stargazing, and country music
30:15 – How to connect with Matt and Human Culture

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🔗 CONNECT WITH MATT

Human Culture: https://www.humanculture.ai/

Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-randerson/

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🎓 TAKE THE NEXT STEP

Ready to connect your Sunday faith to your Monday work? Join the Work Matters Institute — a transformational 10-session course covering practical teaching, spiritual formation, leadership development, and workplace discipleship.

👉 Learn more: https://workmatters.org

🔔 Subscribe for more conversations on faith, leadership, and finding purpose in your work.

#WorkMattersPodcast #FaithAndWork #ChristianLeadership #BlueCollar #FamilyBusiness #EdgertonGear #CraftsmanWithCharacter #WorkplaceCulture #ChristianEntrepreneur #PurposeDrivenWork

From Prison to Purpose: How Faith Transformed a Family Business with Dave Hataj and sons Jul 06, 2026

He swore he'd never come back to the family business. 34 years later, Dave Hataj — along with his sons Jason and Caleb — is running Edgerton Gear as a place where faith and work aren't separate at all.

In this episode of the Work Matters Podcast, Dave, Jason, and Caleb Hataj open up about generational dysfunction, burnout, a father-son surrender in the middle of the night, and what it actually looks like to bring God into a blue-collar machine shop every single day.

🔑 In this episode:
- Why Dave initially refused to return to the family business
- The 20-year wrestling match that finally broke in a moment of surrender
- How burnout and health struggles reshaped Dave's leadership
- Caleb and Jason's honest take on growing up in the shop
- Breaking generational cycles of dysfunction
- What "embracing the suck" really means
- Three practical ways to bring your faith into your workday

⏱️ TIMESTAMPS
00:41 – Meet Dave, Jason & Caleb Hataj
01:24 – Introducing Edgerton Gear & Craftsman with Character
02:23 – When faith and work first clicked for Dave
03:08 – Regent College and the calling he tried to run from
03:45 – The vocational test that sent him home
04:29 – Wrestling with God for 20 years
05:33 – The bedroom surrender that changed everything
06:54 – From "prison" to "happy place"
07:31 – Burnout, health issues & changing the culture
08:37 – Losing employees who wanted "the old Dave" back
10:34 – Caleb's winding path back to Edgerton Gear
12:23 – Jason's story & Dave's dinner-table faith lessons
13:56 – The Isle Royale trip and healing as a family
15:56 – Discipleship of work & breaking generational cycles
17:52 – "Embrace the suck": what stress reveals in us
19:46 – What it's really like working together as family
21:07 – Advice for young people starting their careers
22:11 – Why work itself is good — not just a means to an end
23:40 – Jason's honest struggle to keep God in focus daily
25:45 – Encouragement for every listener
26:17 – 3 practical ways to practice your faith at work
29:12 – Recap: awareness, brokenness, influence
29:46 – Where to find Edgerton Gear & Craftsman with Character
30:29 – Closing thoughts & final encouragement

🔗 CONNECT WITH DAVE, JASON & CALEB
Edgerton Gear: https://edgertongear.com
Craftsman with Character: https://www.cwcharacter.org/
Dave's book: "Good Work: How Blue Collar Business Can Change Lives, Communities, and the World"

🔔 Subscribe for more conversations on faith, leadership, and finding purpose in your work.

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Why I Quit Chasing Success: The Surprising Secret to Authentic Faith at Work with Idalia LeJune Jun 22, 2026

Finding purpose at work — Idalia LeJune shares how a career plateau and season of burnout led her from a "check-the-box" faith to a genuine relationship with God that transformed how she shows up in the workplace every day.

A first-generation Mexican-American and senior relationship manager in the financial industry, Idalia spent over 25 years chasing achievement before discovering that true purpose at work isn't about the next title or paycheck. In this episode, she opens up about choosing obedience over optics when she stepped back in her career, the workplace conflict that cracked her open to a new way of leading, and how integrating faith at work became her personal mission field — no overseas trip required.

⏱️Chapters

[00:00] Intro
[00:45] Meet Idalia: Senior Relationship Manager & 2025 Rising Star
[02:09] Her Dad's Work Ethic and What Drove Her Early Career
[04:59] When Faith Was Just a "Check the Box"
[05:55] The 2023 Breaking Point — Career Plateau, Unbalanced Life
[07:03] The Trifecta: How She Reset Her Spirit, Body, and Mind
[07:37] The Biggest Career Decision She Ever Made
[09:36] How She Found Work Matters and Said Yes to the Conference
[13:34] What Happened in the Parking Lot After the Conference
[15:37] A Workplace Conflict That Changed Everything
[17:16]Faith at Work Without Leaving Your Job
[20:41] What God Is Doing in Her This Year: Obedience and Listening
[22:07] The Airplane Story — When God Nudged Her Toward a Stranger
[29:09] Advice for Anyone Feeling the Stirring Right Now

🔗Resources & Links

https://www.workmatters.org/

https://www.corebridgefinancial.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandonswoboda/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/darrel-harvey-80703a60/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/idalia-salazar-lejune-98352321/

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Pastoring for Monday: Discipling Your Church for the Workplace with Matt Rusten Jun 08, 2026

What happens between Sunday morning and Monday morning? For most Christians, there's a significant gap, and it's costing them in the workplace.

In this episode, we sit down with Matt Rusten, President of Made to Flourish and author of the new book Pastoring for Monday, to talk about one of the most overlooked areas of discipleship in the local church: work.

In this episode, you'll learn:

The current state of faith and work discipleship in local churches — and the three most common gaps
Why most pastors resist adding "one more thing" — and how to reframe the conversation
How Made to Flourish comes alongside churches through ideas, training, and multiplying leaders
And more!

⏱️Chapters

00:00 — The Sunday-to-Monday Gap: Why Most Christians Feel Alone at Work

01:02 — Introducing Matt Rusten & Pastoring for Monday

03:08 — The Current State of Faith & Work in the Local Church

05:28 — Why Pastors Resist (And How to Change the Conversation)

09:24 — What Is Made to Flourish? Ideas, Training & Multiplying Leaders

14:20 — What Happens When a Church Says Yes to Workplace Discipleship

18:29 — The "Missionary Elevation" Problem & How It Hurts Workers in the Pew

20:10 — How Work Spiritually Forms Us (Including Through Struggle)

22:16 — Matt's Five S's: A Simple Commute Practice to Meet God at Work

26:19 — How YOU Can Help Your Church Disciple People for the Workplace

🔗Resources & Links

Pastoring for Monday by Matt Rusten — available on Amazon and major book retailers
Made to Flourish: madetoflourish.org
Common Good Magazine — subscribe at madetoflourish.org
Connect with Matt - https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-rusten-95000940/

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How Faith Shaped Nike Shoes with Wilson W. Smith III May 11, 2026

Summary

What happens when creativity, faith, and purpose collide in a lifelong career? In this episode of The Workmatters podcast, listeners are invited into the rich, heartfelt journey of renowned designer Wilson W. Smith III, a man whose forty-one-year career at Nike was defined by more than just legendary footwear.

Guided by hosts Brandon Swoboda and Darrel Harvey, the conversation dives into the real stories behind Wilson’s path from aspiring architect to design director at Nike, his unexpected entry into footwear, and the early days of collaborating with icons like Michael Jordan and Serena Williams. But what truly sets this episode apart is how Wilson intertwines his creative challenges and breakthroughs with his evolving faith, sharing candidly about moments where doubt turned into inspiration through prayer, mentorship, and the belief of others.

Listeners will be inspired by the “Spark” acronym Wilson developed for encouraging students at Liberty University—story, passion, art, reflection, and knowledge that leads to action—all centered around living out one’s unique calling. Personal anecdotes, like his influential design of the Jordan 17 and the powerful impact of community projects such as the Doernbecher Freestyle Program, offer insights not just into the world of design, but into what it means to integrate faith, creativity, and work.

For anyone longing to see their professional life as a place of purpose and calling, this episode is a blueprint for letting creativity and faith work together in shaping not just products, but lives.

Listen today!

Show Notes

00:00 Wilson’s Career and Achievements

03:17 Growing Up with Faith and Religion

12:11 Wilson’s Early Career at Nike

14:06 Designing for Michael Jordan

17:00 Facing Self-Reflection and Identity Challenges

21:40 Creating Music for Michael Jordan Sneakers

27:12 How Design Philosophy and Ministry Intersect

32:29 Serena Williams’ Design Crew

40:14 Closing Thoughts

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Redemptive Business: Putting People Before Profit with Erin Kiefer May 04, 2026

Summary

Welcome to The Workmatters Podcast! In today’s episode, hosts Brandon Swoboda and Darrel Harvey sit down with Erin Kiefer, the chairman and owner of the Arkansas-based manufacturing company Kiefer Sage. Erin shares her journey of integrating faith and leadership in a family business, from her earliest memories growing up in a company that puts people first, to stepping into the CEO role during challenging times.

You’ll hear Erin open up about the redemptive side of business, where putting people over profit isn’t just a philosophy, but a lived value that shapes every decision. She discusses the legacy of innovation and care seeded by her father, the unique challenges of working with family, and the powerful lessons in humility, rest, and reliance on God during seasons of crisis and growth.

Whether you’re a business leader, a family employee, or someone looking to bring more meaning to your work, Erin’s insights on leading with heart, loving your team, and trusting God with your calling are sure to inspire. Ready to dive in? Let’s get started!

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

04:56 Family Relocation and New Beginnings

11:56 Balancing Career Growth and Family

19:57 Faithful Leadership Through Struggles

24:26 Supporting Employees with Compassion

27:54 Closing Thoughts

Links

*Jotto Desk has been rebranded to Tenhold.

Faith Unleashed: How Bold Moves Can Turn Workplace Culture Upside Down with Steve Blair Apr 27, 2026

Summary

Welcome to another episode of The Workmatters Podcast, where we explore the intersection of faith and work through the real-life stories of everyday leaders. This week, hosts Brandon Swoboda and Darrel Harvey are joined by Steve Blair, the Chief People Officer at Fulcrum Collective, whose extensive background in leadership spans more than twenty-five years across renowned companies such as Procter & Gamble, Ghirardelli Chocolate, and Harvest Group. Not only is Steve a champion for creating work cultures people can love, but he is also a longtime chairman of the Workmatters board and the much-loved emcee of the organization’s annual conference.

In this conversation, Steve takes us on a journey from his early faith experience to his discovery of what it really means to be authentic—not compartmentalizing his faith, but weaving it into every aspect of his professional life. He tells candid stories of what it was like to navigate workplace culture shifts, and how leaders and managers can empower teams by living out company values in practical, meaningful ways.

Listeners will hear about the transformative power of values-based leadership, practical advice for influencing workplace culture at any level, and a simple yet profound framework for managers and teams: to see, know, meet, challenge, and celebrate the people around them.

Whether you’re an executive or just starting, Steve offers encouragement and tangible steps to make your work matter and to live out your calling every day. Join us as we dive into how you can bring renewal to your workplace, partner with others in faith, and let your life and leadership become a visible testimony of what you believe!

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

03:42 Balancing Faith and Career

14:10 Authentic Leadership Rooted in Faith

18:52 The Journey to Meaningful Work Connections

22:58 Aligning Personal and Company Values

24:30 Making Decisions Prioritizing Company Values

32:17 Understanding Company Values in Roles

44:43 Closing Thoughts

Links

She Prays with Customers: How Faith Can Transform Business with Jessica Uranga Apr 20, 2026

Summary

Welcome to another episode of The Workmatters Podcast! Today, Brandon Swoboda and Keisha Fowler are joined by Jessica Uranga, founder and CEO of Purpose Brands 414, a missional nonprofit serving as a strategic parent organization for purpose-driven family brands and ministries, including the impactful Beautiful Lives Thrift Boutique.

Raised as a missionary kid, Jessica watched her parents give up the American dream for a life of service in Mexico, an experience that deeply shaped her view of what it means to serve God both inside and outside the church. Jessica recounts pivotal childhood memories, from helping in her family’s peanut mill to cleaning houses as a teenager, where she first learned to see every job as an act of worship. She explains how her upbringing and entrepreneurial spirit propelled her to create dignified, hope-filled environments in the workplace—a journey that now blesses women, families, and whole communities through Beautiful Lives Thrift Boutique.

Additionally, you’ll hear Jessica’s insights on leadership, the power of praying with and for customers, and the ways community and coaching help her teams thrive together. She offers practical steps for anyone wanting to infuse their everyday work with hope, prayer, and purpose, and reminds us that ministry isn’t confined to the walls of a church.

Join us for a conversation filled with authenticity, actionable wisdom, and encouragement for your own faith-at-work journey. Don’t miss this episode as we discover what it really looks like to know God and make Him known in the marketplace, at home, and everywhere in between!

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

04:10 How Jessica’s Father Modeled Faith in Business

09:25 Jessica’s Entrepreneurial Mindset

16:18 Creating a Welcoming Thrift Experience

19:58 The Impact of Prayer and Testimonies

21:08 Balancing Innovation with Faith

30:37 Closing Thoughts

Links

How One Bible Habit Changed Everything with John Rausch Apr 13, 2026

Summary

Welcome to The Workmatters Podcast! In this episode, we dive into the story of John Rausch, native Arkansan, founder, chairman, and CEO of Rausch Companies. Raised in Fort Smith, John’s journey began under the deep mentorship of his grandfather, with hands-on lessons in construction and leadership that shaped both his faith and his business outlook. Together, Brandon Swoboda, Darrel Harvey, and John explore how John has integrated Biblical principles and values into building one of the region's most successful homebuilding companies and how the workplace can serve as a vital mission field.

You’ll hear how mentorship, daily disciplines, and intentional company culture laid the foundation for Rausch Coleman Homes’ remarkable expansion into seven states, and why faith remains at the center of every decision, from daily routines to major business transactions. John also shares insights into the recent sale of his company, the discernment process behind it, and what’s next on his journey—continuing to influence the marketplace, invest in new ventures, and lead with purpose.

Whether you’re wrestling with leadership, considering big career decisions, or seeking to integrate your faith into your work, this episode offers both inspiration and practical wisdom straight from a leader passionate about eternal impact!

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

03:26 Memorable Trips and Life Lessons

06:43 Founding Rausch Coleman Homes

12:51 Building a Strong and Supportive Team

17:08 Faith-Driven Business Philosophy

23:06 Focusing on Kingdom Impact

26:20 Understanding Faith and Discernment

31:34 Empowering Growth Across Generations

33:41 Closing Thoughts

Links

Connecting Faith and Work in Unexpected Ways with Ben Kirksey Apr 06, 2026

Summary

Welcome to The Workmatters Podcast! In this episode, we’re joined by Ben Kirksey, co-founder of the Workmatters Institute, long-time leader at Workmatters, and now general manager at the Wesche Company. Ben brings a wealth of experience, having shaped Workmatters initiatives and worked across ministry, education, market research, and commercial construction.

Together with our hosts, Ben unpacks his journey from a moral upbringing in Arkansas, through pivotal moments of faith during high school and college, to wrestling with life's toughest challenges. He shares how convictions about justice and proximity to those on the margins shaped his career, including his time with Teach For America and his pursuit of purposeful work.

Listeners will hear Ben’s reflections on the false divide between faith and vocation, his role in creating the Workmatters Institute to help others unite their calling and walk with Jesus, and practical wisdom for connecting belief to everyday work. Ben also tackles real challenges in diverse industries, offering actionable steps for anyone starting to integrate faith at work.

This episode is packed with honesty, practical guidance, and encouragement for those seeking to honor God wherever they work. Tune in for a compelling conversation with Ben that will challenge and inspire you to bring your best, care deeply for others, and experience communion with God through your daily work!

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

08:43 How Ben Found Purpose Through Justice Work

13:38 Starting a Program for Students

17:31 Explaining the Workmatters Institute Mission

25:42 Balancing Time, Needs, and Priorities

29:02 Bringing Your Best to Work

34:02 Closing Thoughts

Links

Transform Your Career and Faith Using This Mentoring Strategy with Henry Ho Mar 30, 2026

Summary

Welcome back to The Workmatters Podcast! In this episode, co-hosts Brandon Swoboda and Darrel Harvey sit down once again with Henry Ho, co-founder and chief strategy officer of Storesight. Building off their previous conversation about redemptive work and entrepreneurship, this episode dives deep into the heart of mentorship and discipleship, two principles that Henry lives and breathes both in the workplace and beyond.

You’ll hear real stories and practical wisdom as Henry unpacks his journey from being mentored himself to becoming a “chronic mentor” to others. He shares his thoughtful approach to the difference between mentoring and discipleship, memorable moments from mentoring young entrepreneurs in Africa, and the essential qualities he looks for in those he invests in — faithfulness, availability, and teachability (FAT).

The conversation also explores how mentorship plays out in different spheres of life, the messy but meaningful realities of life-on-life discipleship, and the importance of being vulnerable and accessible as a leader and friend. Whether it’s prayer-walking with peers, wrestling with the non-glamorous moments of discipleship, or learning to prioritize availability in a busy world, this episode is packed with encouragement for anyone seeking to integrate their faith with everyday work, leadership, and community.

Tune in for an honest, relatable, and hope-filled conversation that will challenge and inspire you to seek out meaningful relationships and step into the calling of mentorship and discipleship, wherever you work and live!

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

03:59 Mentorship vs. Discipleship

10:15 Prioritizing Faithful Discipleship

18:35 Authentic Life-on-Life Interaction

24:47 How Mentoring Leads to Discipleship

30:05 Closing Thoughts

Links

Christians Are Missing This at Work with Dr. Joy Dahl Mar 23, 2026

Summary

Welcome to this episode of The Workmatters Podcast, where we dive deep into the incredible intersection of faith and work. Our guest, Dr. Joy Dahl, shares her inspiring journey from corporate success to becoming a passionate advocate for integrating faith in the workplace. With over thirty years of experience as a business strategist and fractional CFO, Dr. Dahl reveals how God is already at work in our offices and invites us to respond and shine his light wherever we’re placed.

Dr. Dahl, along with hosts Brandon Swoboda and Keisha Fowler, explores practical ways to embrace your calling as Christ’s ambassador—no matter your role or industry. Together, they unpack common challenges like fear and the secular-sacred divide, discuss the importance of spiritual boundaries and rhythms, and share real stories about living out faith authentically at work. Whether you’re seeking to thrive professionally, grow spiritually, or are simply curious about what it means to make your work matter to God, this conversation offers encouragement, actionable insights, and genuine wisdom for your everyday workplace.

Tune in to discover how you can start seeing your job as a place where God shapes you, uses your unique gifts, and calls you to make a meaningful impact right where you are!

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

08:49 Christ’s Presence in Work

11:06 Living Out Faith in Daily Work

14:15 Sharing Your Story Fearlessly

18:24 The Faith and Work Connection

22:00 Seeking God’s Direction Daily

25:23 Creating Healthy Rhythms

27:36 Leadership Through Faith Practices

30:07 Pause, Prepare, and Invite God

34:55 Closing Thoughts

Links

You’re Wasting Your Gifts at Work: The Truth About Stewardship with Steve Graves Mar 16, 2026

Summary
Welcome to The Workmatters Podcast! In today’s episode, hosts Brandon Swoboda and Keisha Fowler welcome back Steve Graves, author, business owner, and veteran leader who has invested decades in helping others navigate the challenges and rewards of integrating faith into everyday work life.

This episode centers around Steve’s newest book, Radical Stewardship: Partnering with the Master in Everyday Life, and dives into what stewardship really means, not just from a financial perspective, but as a holistic approach to life. You’ll hear the story of how his previous work, The Gospel Goes to Work, made a global impact all the way to Africa, and how the principles of stewardship continue to resonate across cultures and generations.

Additionally, Steve shares thought-provoking insights about the Parable of the Talents, the dangers of practical atheism, and the four key steps to faithful stewardship: recognizing our gifts, transferring ownership back to God, multiplying what’s been given, and being accountable for its use. The discussion also touches on the pitfalls and traps that keep many of us in a “third steward” mentality—clinging tightly out of fear or mindlessly wasting the opportunities we’ve been given.

For parents, leaders, and anyone wrestling with comparison or calling, Steve offers advice on how to help the next generation celebrate their unique gifts and trust the thoughtful allocation of those gifts from God. He also opens up about his own spiritual formation, revealing how writing the book challenged and shaped him in this legacy season of his career.

Whether you’re new to the concept of stewardship or looking for fresh encouragement to live out your faith in the workplace, this episode is packed with wisdom, vulnerability, and practical encouragement. Join us and discover how “partnering with the Master” can transform not only your work, but your whole life!
Show Notes
00:00 Introduction
04:29 Misunderstanding Stewardship and Parables
10:58 Transferring and Multiplying Ownership
21:06 Embracing Gifts with Purpose
24:01 Season of Legacy and Stewardship
27:18 Discovering God’s Gifts
28:54 Closing Thoughts

Links
Brandon Swoboda

Darrel Harvey

Workmatters

Steve Graves

Radical Stewardship Book

Steve’s Website

Cornerstone Coaching

Is Vulnerability the Secret to Success at Work? with Sarah Schafer Mar 09, 2026

Summary

Welcome to The Workmatters Podcast! In today’s episode, hosts Brandon Swoboda and Darrel Harvey are honored to welcome Sarah Schafer, a licensed professional counselor and consultant whose life and work are rooted deeply in faith, compassion, and an honest embrace of humanity’s messiness.

Sarah opens up about her own journey, describing how early exposure to the gospel, personal struggles with an eating disorder, and the challenges of raising a child with chronic health issues led her to a place of deep dependence on Jesus. Furthermore, Sarah explores how she integrates her faith into her counseling practice, guiding clients through trauma, relationships, and career transitions. Plus, she shares how trauma therapy requires a willingness to sit in the messy and trust God to lead the healing process.

Lastly, Sarah addresses the challenge many face of masking vulnerability at work and the importance of appropriate vulnerability, both with God and in trusted relationships. This episode is full of wisdom and encouragement for anyone wrestling with the intersection of faith, work, and mental well-being. If you’ve ever felt the tension between achievement and authenticity, or wondered how to invite God into the real-life challenges of your work, you’ll find Sarah’s story both relatable and inspiring!

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

05:07 Sarah’s Path to Counseling and Faith

07:00 EMDR and Trauma Therapy Insights

12:17 Navigating Retirement and Finding Purpose

16:52 Vulnerability While Facing Pressure

25:56 Grace in Understanding Human Behavior

31:27 Closing Thoughts

Links

Brandon Swoboda

Darrel Harvey

Workmatters

Fellowship Counseling and Care Center

He Risked Everything and Won—A Journey of Faith, Service, and Redemption with Nick Morgan Mar 02, 2026

Summary

Welcome to The Workmatters Podcast! In this episode, hosts Brandon Swoboda and Keisha Fowler sit down with Nick Morgan, a dynamic leader, entrepreneur, and combat veteran whose journey is marked by resilience, faith, and a deep commitment to serving others. From humble beginnings and financial struggles in his childhood to serving in Operation Iraqi Freedom, Nick shares how early life challenges sparked his heart for compassion and advocacy.

Listeners will be inspired by Nick’s transition from military life to the corporate world, and then into business ownership as the operator of multiple Jersey Mike’s Subs locations. Discover how he integrates his faith in practical, tangible ways—mentoring employees, offering innovative benefits like paid maternity leave, and even helping a former military translator and his family find a new life in America. Throughout the conversation, Nick highlights the power of community, risk-taking, and the transformative impact of leading with generosity and vision.

Whether you’re seeking encouragement to live out your faith at work or looking for real-life examples of redemptive business practices, this episode is full of practical wisdom, uplifting stories, and reminders that every role, no matter the industry, has the potential to make a difference. Join us as we explore how work can become a place of purpose, dignity, and hope!

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

03:32 Childhood Struggles and Practicing Gratefulness

11:45 Nick’s Military Experience Overseas

17:58 How Risk-Taking Shaped Nick’s Path

24:10 Perseverance Amid Rejection

27:54 Encouraging Paid Maternity Policies

30:43 Developing Leaders Through Organizational Initiatives

35:53 Empowering Through Redemptive Work

37:39 Closing Thoughts

Links

Unlocking Hidden Potential: Transform Your Work Into a Place of Healing Feb 23, 2026

Summary

Welcome to the first episode of Season 2 of The Workmatters Podcast! In this episode, hosts Brandon Swoboda, Keisha Fowler, and Darrel Harvey kick off Season 2 with an honest, timely conversation about the realities facing today’s workforce. Drawing from their own experiences and recent insights from Brené Brown, the team opens up about the struggles so many employees and leaders are carrying with them to work every day.

Additionally, the conversation goes deeper than just identifying challenges. Keisha suggests that workplaces have the potential to become sanctuaries where people can truly bring their whole selves, imagining a shift where work serves as a space for connection, healing, and being seen as fully human. Darrel highlights the importance of lament as a neglected but powerful practice in Christian life and work, providing a step-by-step guide to naming pain, affirming trust in God, and rooting ourselves in gratitude.

The trio tackles questions such as: How can leaders regulate themselves before caring for their teams? How do we invite vulnerability and hope into the workplace? And what does it look like to create community, even in high-pressure environments?

If you’ve ever felt alone, overwhelmed, or unsure how to integrate your faith with your daily work, this episode is packed with wisdom, empathy, and practical ideas. Discover how to see work as more than just a job, it’s a space where God meets you, shapes you, and empowers you to make a difference!

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

03:15 Work as a Healing Sanctuary

10:16 Being Christian at Work

15:02 Rediscovering the Art of Lament

23:04 Practical Steps for Emotional Regulation

26:17 Daily Reflection with Examen

27:32 Exploring Work as Spiritual Formation

31:39 Closing Thoughts

Links

The Workmatters Podcast Season 1 Recap Dec 18, 2025

Thank you for listening to Season One of The Workmatters Podcast! We are incredibly thankful for each of our guests who faithfully shared their stories, wisdom, and testimonies, and for every listener who joined us along the way. It has been a true privilege to serve you.

Throughout this season, we’ve explored the biblical truth that your work matters to God. From the very beginning of Scripture, we see that God is a worker, and He invites us to join Him in His work in the world. Whether your work takes place in an office, a classroom, a home, a church, or the community, it is not insignificant. When offered to God, our work becomes an act of worship and a way to love and serve others.

Our conversations were designed to equip and encourage you with Christ-centered tools, Scripture-shaped perspectives, and real-life stories that affirm the sacredness of everyday work. We hope these episodes helped you see your vocation as a calling, reminded you that God is present in the ordinary rhythms of your workday, and strengthened your faith as you seek to glorify Him in all that you do.

As we close Season One, we invite you to continue reflecting on these conversations, revisit past episodes, and share them with others who may need encouragement. Thank you for being part of this community!

Partnering with Chaplains and Care Coaches to Build a Strong Culture Dec 11, 2025

Summary

Welcome to The Workmatters Podcast! In this episode, hosts Brandon Swoboda and Darrel Harvey sit down with Larry Griffith, CEO of Corporate Chaplains of America, to explore how holistic care can transform workplace culture and fuel both individual and team resilience. With over three decades of leadership experience spanning the US Navy, Fortune 250 corporations, and the nonprofit sector, Larry shares his journey from command-and-control leadership to a focus on being fully present for others.

Brandon, Darrel, and Larry discuss the challenges of leading people who are hurting, the value of meeting employees where they are, regardless of faith background, and the impact of Corporate Chaplains of America's work across thousands of business locations. Through heartfelt stories, Larry reveals why investing in people’s well-being pays dividends for both workplace performance and eternal purpose.

Hear practical insights on what holistic care really looks like, how companies can partner with Corporate Chaplains of America, and what it takes to become a workplace chaplain. Whether you're a business owner, leader, or simply passionate about creating a healthy workplace culture, this conversation offers encouragement, real-world wisdom, and a glimpse into the power of compassionate leadership!

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

06:01 A Journey of Leadership and Compassion

09:42 Building Relationships Through Thoughtful Care

12:41 Servant Leadership and Brotherhood

18:49 Valuing Employees Beyond Work

25:57 The Impact of Frequent Turnover

33:17 Living Fully Through the Spirit

39:25 LEET Care: Personalized Support Coaches

41:04 Closing Thoughts

Links

Corporate Chaplains Of America

Work Hard, Trust God, and Invest in People with Dr. Crystal Steen Dec 04, 2025

Brandon Swoboda and Keisha Fowler are joined by industry leader Dr. Crystal Steen, Senior Vice President of Culture and Learning at Simmons Foods. In this compelling conversation, Crystal takes us on a journey spanning her upbringing on a Missouri family farm, her academic achievements, and her path through different industries, including agriculture, manufacturing, and leadership development.

Together, they explore how faith and hard work have been central themes throughout Crystal’s life and career as she shares candid stories of navigating unexpected changes, trusting in God’s plans even when the next step isn’t clear, and witnessing the impact of living out faith in the workplace. You’ll hear how she avoided tying her identity to job titles and instead focused on being open to where God was leading her.

This episode also provides an insider’s look at the culture at Simmons Foods, where putting people first and supporting holistic well-being are top priorities. Additionally, Crystal and Keisha discuss how workplace culture is shaped not just by leadership, but by everyone who shows up and cares for their teammates.

Whether you’re a leader, team member, or just someone striving to integrate faith and purpose into your daily work, this conversation is packed with wisdom, encouragement, and practical advice for creating positive change within any organization. Tune in to hear honest reflections on resilience, leadership, and the purpose of work in our lives!

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

02:04 Crystal’s Background and Journey

09:36 Building Leadership Through Connection

16:36 Putting People First Holistically

21:31 Simmons Foods’ Culture of Caring

28:26 Closing Thoughts

Links

How Work Can Be Worship with Manuel Barrantes Nov 20, 2025

This week on The Workmatters Podcast we are joined by Manuel Barrantes, director of Spark Shopper Experience at Walmart, a United Nations Resolution Fellow, and a dedicated storyteller for the Workmatters Institute.

Growing up in Nicaragua, he was shaped by hardship and the belief that education and hard work could unlock a better future. Winning the Walton Family Scholarship changed everything, bringing him to the U.S. with zero English and opening the door to new opportunities and a transformative way of seeing faith. For Manuel, faith wasn’t just a set of rules; it evolved into a relationship, influencing how he leads at work and supports his family.

In this episode, Manuel talks about overcoming language barriers, adapting to new cultures, and the immense challenge of bringing his extended family to the States. He shares how launching multiple family businesses helped his loved ones find dignity and purpose in their new home, and how his experiences at Harding University helped re-frame his view of spirituality.

Moreover, you’ll hear candid discussions on balancing ambition with authenticity, learning from adversity, and stewarding resources to be a blessing to others. Whether you’re an aspiring leader, an established professional, or simply seeking inspiration, Manuel’s story is a testament to resilience, generosity, and transforming work into worship!

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

05:42 Growing Up in Church of Christ

07:22 Finding Faith in New Perspectives

13:40 Supporting His Sister with a Food Truck

17:22 Growth Through Trusted Leadership

22:53 Why Energy Matters in Relationships

Links

Workmatters Institute

Walmart

Work is the Proving Ground of Faith, Make the Most of it! With Donnie Smith Nov 13, 2025

Welcome to The Workmatters Podcast! Our host Brandon Swoboda is joined by Donnie Smith, a longtime friend, mentor, and the former CEO of Tyson Foods, now leading impactful work as the chairman of the African Sustainable Agricultural Project. Donnie’s story is one of authentic faith in action, from his early career days on chicken farms to leading one of America’s largest food companies, and now empowering communities in Rwanda.

In this conversation, Donnie opens up about how faith became real in his work life, learning to lead with integrity and compassion, and the deeply practical ways he lived out his beliefs, like having a Bible on his desk and taking time to know and care for the people he worked with. Together, Brandon and Donnie talk about what it’s really like for your faith to be tested, not just in church, but in the rough and tumble of daily work, business setbacks, and high-stakes leadership.

Donnie also shares his passion for Africa, where he’s building sustainable food systems that bring hope and dignity to those living on less than a dollar a day. Whether you’re new to your career or a seasoned leader wondering how your faith can shape your work, Donnie’s insights into honoring God with excellence, building up others, and blooming where you’re planted are sure to inspire and challenge you!

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

04:57 Leadership and Responsibility in the Workplace

11:56 Faith Challenges in Leadership Transitions

16:55 Experiencing Faith Being Challenged at Church

20:22 God’s New Assignment for You

26:59 Building Food Systems and Leaders

31:16 Closing Thoughts

Links

Brandon Swoboda

Workmatters

Donnie Smith

African Sustainable Agriculture Project

The Power of Joining God Where He is at Work with Cheryl Bachelder Nov 06, 2025

Welcome to another episode of The Workmatters Podcast! This week, hosts Darrel Harvey and Brandon Swoboda sit down with Cheryl Bachelder, former CEO of Popeyes Louisiana Kitchen and a leader with a remarkable track record across several iconic brands, including Chick-fil-A and Domino’s Pizza. Cheryl shares her journey from passionate leadership to discovering how deeply work matters to God, and how faith can fully integrate with professional life, no matter what industry you’re in.

She brings powerful insights on servant leadership, the importance of listening and caring, and the simple yet profound practice of joining God in the work right where you are. Whether you’re a seasoned executive, a mentor, or just starting your career, Cheryl’s wisdom on purpose, calling, and creating a kingdom impact through everyday work will leave you inspired.

Plus, she touches on mentoring younger generations, the role of courage and humility, and why, no matter the cultural moment, our hope rests in God’s continuing work. Get ready for an uplifting and practical conversation about finding meaning, serving well, and flourishing at work!

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

04:27 Exploring Work as a Divine Trust

08:36 Transforming Leadership Through Listening

11:12 Life’s Purpose: It’s Not About You

15:07 Faithful Action in Familiar Places

18:35 Mentoring Leaders Across Generations

21:36 Soul Health in Modern Times

28:25 Closing Thoughts

Links

US Foods, Chick fil A Corporate

Exploring Work as an Opportunity for Discipleship and Worship with Dr. Libin Abraham Oct 30, 2025

Hosts Keisha Fowler and Brandon Swoboda sit down with Dr. Libin Abraham, lead pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, for an inspiring conversation about how faith comes alive in the workplace. Drawing on his own journey from Kerala, India, to Texas and his deep experience in pastoral ministry, Dr. Abraham shares powerful insights into why our jobs are more than just places of employment; they are mission fields where faith is truly activated.

Together, they explore the shift from viewing work as simply a means to an end to understanding it as an opportunity for discipleship and worship. Dr. Abraham discusses the biblical foundation for marketplace ministry, the importance of seeing ourselves as sacred carriers of God’s presence at work, and the practical ways anyone can live out faith—even in places that feel more like Athens than Jerusalem. Whether you’re in an office, on a job site, or working from home, this episode is filled with real encouragement and practical wisdom for making every space sacred.

Tune in to discover how embracing holy discontent, listening well, and showing genuine care to those around you can transform your daily work into meaningful ministry!

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

04:48 Representing Church Beyond Sundays

07:47 How Discipleship Includes Mission

11:27 Analyzing Workplace Brokenness and Hope

14:04 An Athens vs. Jerusalem Mentality

19:15 Embracing an Exilic Identity

26:11 Viewing the Workplace as a Mission Field

30:36 Closing Thoughts

Links

Bent Tree Bible Fellowship

The Why and How of Bringing Your Whole Self to Work with Alex Fittin Oct 23, 2025

Welcome to another episode of The Workmatters Podcast! In this episode, Brandon Swoboda and Darrel Harvey sit down with Alex Fittin, an Enneagram coach and trainer whose passion is helping individuals, teams, and organizations thrive by understanding the core motivations that drive us. Drawing from her trauma-informed practice, Alex shares how the Enneagram goes below the surface of what we do to uncover why we do it, and how this deeper self-awareness can foster more effective, resilient, and faith-anchored workplaces.

Alex opens up about her journey from being a people person to becoming an expert in interpersonal communication, adoption advocacy, and trauma support. She unpacks the holistic approach of the Enneagram, how it differs from other personality systems, and why understanding your true self is essential for both personal growth and organizational health.

Whether you’re new to the Enneagram or a seasoned enthusiast, Alex offers practical insights on integrating faith and work, embracing your unique God-given design, and building sustainable, purpose-driven teams. Tune in to discover how the Enneagram can transform the way you see yourself and those around you—at work, at home, and in your community!

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

04:36 Enneagram Coaching for Healing Trauma

06:26 Embracing Unique Strength with the Enneagram

12:43 A Holistic Approach to Personal Growth

22:27 Embracing the Peacemaker’s Journey

29:53 Closing Thoughts

Links

Why Work Was Never Meant to Be This Hard Oct 16, 2025

Welcome to another episode of The Workmatters Podcast! In this episode, our hosts Keisha Fowler, Darrel Harvey, and Brandon Swoboda sit down for an honest conversation about one of the most influential forces in our lives: the stories we tell ourselves about work. Starting from ancient narratives in Genesis, they dive into how our work stories shape our attitudes, relationships, and sense of purpose in the workplace, often without us even realizing it.

Together, they explore common half-truths we believe about work, like “I’ll sleep when I’m dead” or “work is something to get through before life starts,” and wrestle with how these narratives affect not just our own well-being but also our interactions with coworkers and teams. Drawing from faith, personal experience, and thought-provoking quotes, the hosts challenge us to rethink where our stories about work begin, moving from a lens of brokenness and competition to one of creation, redemption, and renewal.

You’ll hear practical ideas on how to recognize unhealthy narratives, connect with mentors who model joy and purpose, and build reminders into your daily life that help you see work as a meaningful, eternal collaboration with God. Plus, the hosts share their favorite books, coffee habits, and local activities, giving listeners a glimpse into their lives beyond the office.

Whether you’re in business, education, tech, or any field, this episode helps you reflect on your own work story and offers a fresh perspective to find fulfillment, impact, and faith in the work you do every day!

Love, Trust, Obedience: Sheeba Philip’s Approach to Faith-Driven Leadership Oct 09, 2025

In this episode of The Workmatters Podcast we talk with Sheeba Philip, a dynamic leader whose passion for purpose-driven work is both inspiring and practical. Joined by hosts Brandon Swoboda and Darrel Harvey, the discussion delves deep into what it means to build organizations and lives centered around authenticity and impact.

Sheeba shares her journey, highlighting pivotal moments that shaped her philosophy on leadership and purpose. Drawing from personal experience, she offers valuable insights on how aligning business strategies with core values not only drives growth but also fosters long-term loyalty among both employees and customers. The conversation underscores that purpose is more than a buzzword; it’s a powerful catalyst for innovation and resilience in today’s ever-changing landscape.

Brandon, Darrel, and Sheeba explore the challenges organizations face when striving for authentic engagement and how transparent communication can bridge the gap between lofty mission statements and everyday operations. What stands out most in this episode is the emphasis on integrating purpose into every aspect of work. Whether you’re an aspiring entrepreneur or a seasoned executive, Sheeba’s insights resonate, reminding us of the importance of staying true to our values even when the path isn’t always clear!

The Sacredness of Secular Work with Jordan Raynor Oct 02, 2025

In this episode, host Brandon Swoboda sits down with Jordan Raynor, a bestselling author, speaker, and major voice in the faith and work movement. Jordan has inspired millions of Christians worldwide with books like The Sacredness of Secular Work, Redeeming Your Time, and The Creator in You, challenging believers to see their daily labor as integral to God’s greater story.

During their conversation, Jordan unpacks his own journey from successful tech entrepreneur and CEO to full-time writer and advocate for integrating faith with work. He recounts the pivotal moment when a mentor pushed him to rethink the division between secular and sacred, urging him to see entrepreneurship and business as a vital ministry. Together, Brandon and Jordan reflect on how scripture lays the foundation for embracing all kinds of work as sacred, not just traditional ministry roles.

Jordan shares practical stories from leading a tech company, wrestling with ethical versus redemptive business decisions, and becoming a parent who is intentional about discussing faith and work at home. If you’ve ever wondered what it looks like to turn your Monday-to-Friday grind into a God-honoring calling, or how you can model this mindset for your family, this episode offers encouragement and actionable insights. Get ready to challenge the idea of secular work, ignite a renewed sense of purpose in your career, and hear why showing up and being present in your workplace might be the most spiritual act of all!

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

04:17 The Divine Purpose of Creation

07:57 Transforming Contractors to Employees

11:49 Choosing a Unique Path

17:26 Promoting Positivity About Work

23:37 Christian Approach to Goal Setting

26:02 Jesus: The Carpenter’s Purpose

27:23 Closing Thoughts

Links

Brandon Swoboda

Workmatters

Jordan Raynor

The Role of Work in Healing, Hope, and Growth with Becky Shaffer Sep 25, 2025

Hosts Darrel Harvey and Brandon Swoboda are joined by Becky Shaffer, founder and executive director of Saving Grace NWA, a nonprofit dedicated to empowering young women who, like her, have faced unimaginable hardships.

In this heartfelt conversation, Becky shares her deeply personal story of growing up in the foster care system, navigating a difficult childhood marked by abuse, and ultimately finding healing through forgiveness and faith. Drawing from her own experiences, Becky reveals how her journey shaped the vision behind Saving Grace. Through safe relationships, coaching, and hands-on opportunities on a beautiful farm, Saving Grace offers its participants a path toward generational transformation and renewed hope.

Throughout the episode, Becky expands on how nature and simple rhythms, like time with animals or swinging beneath an old oak tree, play a role in healing. She discusses the dignity and purpose found in meaningful work, the importance of instilling grit and curiosity, and the need for both self-care and soul care for those on the front lines of ministry. Becky also reflects on her evolution as a leader, highlighting the value of humility, a teachable heart, and relying on a team whose strengths complement her own.

Whether you're seeking encouragement for your faith journey, inspiration to lead with compassion, or insight into the transformative work happening at Saving Grace, this conversation offers wisdom and hope. Stick around as we dive deep into stories of redemption, the power of mentorship, and what it truly means to trust God with the outcomes of our work!

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

05:49 Becky’s Forgiveness Journey

07:18 How Nature Heals Through Positive Experiences

12:37 Faith’s Growth and Challenges

14:46 Balancing Self-Care and Soul Care

16:33 The Unseen Strength of Homeless Women

21:32 From Naive Leader to Learner

24:16 Lifesaving Mentorship Bonds

26:31 Closing Thoughts

Links

Moving from Ethical Business to Redemptive Business with Henry Ho Sep 18, 2025

Welcome to another episode of The Workmatters Podcast! Today, hosts Brandon Swoboda and Darrel Harvey are joined by a truly inspiring guest: Henry Ho, the co-founder and Chief Strategy Officer of Storesight, which combines field-scale and artificial intelligence to deliver always-on visibility, real-time insights, and fast retail action for top consumer brands. Known for his innovative spirit, deep faith, and yes, his signature thumbs-up in every photo, Henry brings a wealth of wisdom from decades spent bridging business, purpose, and people across the globe.

In this conversation, Henry unpacks the idea of "redemptive entrepreneurship": doing business with God’s heart by building redemptive elements into your company from the very start. Drawing on his experiences in the corporate world, international ventures in Hong Kong and India, and even some humbling failures along the way, Henry offers real-world insight into what separates exploitive, ethical, and truly redemptive business practices.

You’ll hear stories of sacrifice, resilience, and the importance of finding what’s broken in the world—and daring to be a part of its redemption. Whether you’re an aspiring entrepreneur or "just a business person” finding your place at the intersection of faith and work, Henry’s practical advice and contagious enthusiasm will give you both courage and a fresh perspective.

So grab your coffee and get ready for a conversation that dives deep into the why and how of integrating faith, sacrifice, and innovation at work.

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

04:01 Ethical Leadership and Sacrifice Principles

11:10 Starting Redemptive Businesses in India

14:48 Unexpected Outreach During Factory Closure

18:38 Turning Failure Into Growth and Success

20:58 AI-Enhanced Retail Insight Platform

25:15 Affordable Loan Access Program

29:16 Closing Thoughts

Links

Spiritual Formation and Kingdom Renewal in the Modern Workplace with Dr. Tammy Dunahoo Sep 12, 2025

Summary

Welcome to this week's episode of The Workmatters Podcast! Today, we’re thrilled to be joined by Dr. Tammy Dunahoo, Executive Dean at Portland Seminary of George Fox University, whose decades of leadership experience as a pastor and educator offer deep insight into the intersection of faith and work. Hosts Brandon Swoboda and Darrel Harvey sit down with Tammy to explore how our everyday work, whether in a corporate boardroom, behind a coffee counter, or landscaping in the heat, is profoundly sacred and an essential piece of God’s renewal in the world.

Tammy shares how her passion for spiritual formation shapes her vision for both church leaders and everyday professionals, breaking down the false divide between sacred and secular work. She discusses why growing as a person of faith in your workplace is not just possible, but crucial for living out the Gospel’s “fullness." Additionally, Tammy dives into thought-provoking topics like co-vocational ministry, leadership as salt and light, and the powerful impact we can make on organizations and cultures.

Whether you’re leading a team, fixing broken systems, or simply showing up to do your job each day, this conversation is all about seeing the sacredness in your work and the opportunity to participate in God’s ongoing story of renewal. Tune in for an inspiring, practical episode that will help you rediscover the purpose woven into your work, wherever you find yourself Monday morning!

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction

06:02 Reevaluating Church Growth and Discipleship

09:58 Ephesians 4: Redefining Church’s Equipping Role

11:42 Exploring Leadership: Definitions and Impact

18:10 A Generational Hunger for Deeper Faith

23:15 Theology and Practice in Podcasting

26:50 Closing Thoughts

Links

Reflections on Purpose and Identity in the Workplace with Steve Graves Sep 12, 2025

Summary

Welcome to The Workmatters Podcast! In this episode, hosts Brandon Swoboda and Keisha Fowler sit down with Steve Graves, a pioneering leader, business owner, advisor, and author, who’s been shaping the intersection of faith and work for over three decades. Steve shares his journey from early days of wondering how to bring his faith into the Monday-to-Friday grind, through founding a company dedicated to blending biblical wisdom with business excellence, to launching the influential Life at Work magazine.

You’ll hear Steve’s candid stories about the challenges and joys of being a trailblazer in this space, the lifelong process of integrating faith with career, and why your work is both a calling and a tool God uses to shape your character.

Whether you’re just beginning to ask what it means to bring faith into your job or you’re looking for practical wisdom on maintaining your identity beyond your work, this conversation is packed with encouragement, insight, and a few laughs along the way. Join us as we explore what it really means to make work matter, no matter your role, industry, or phase of life!

Chapters

00:00 Introduction

04:17 A Faith and Business Integration Journey

11:19 Pioneering Vision and Alignment Challenges

14:20 Navigating Rapid-Fire Scriptural Insights

19:34 Faith and Business: Finding Balance

21:03 Adapting Biblical Principles in Business Leadership

25:55 Generational Differences in Work Perspectives

30:12 Finding Self-Worth Amidst Life’s Trials

35:33 Closing Thoughts

Links

Radical Stewardship Book

Steve’s Website

Cornerstone Coaching

Integrating Faith and Vocation with Darrel Harvey & Keisha Fowler Sep 12, 2025

Summary

Welcome to the very first episode of The Workmatters Podcast! In this kickoff conversation, hosts Darrel Harvey, Keisha Fowler, and Brandon Swoboda gather to set the stage for a season filled with authentic discussions about what it really means to integrate faith with work. You’ll hear personal stories and journeys marked by twists, turns, and plenty of “aha” moments as each guest shares how navigating career changes, big dreams, and unexpected detours revealed new ways to partner with God in the workplace.

The hosts delve into why the purpose and practice of work matter so deeply, and reflect on the challenges, joys, and questions that come with balancing vocation, faith, and everyday life. Whether you’re working your dream job, feeling lost, or somewhere in between, this episode promises to remind you that you’re not alone and to invite you into a community where meaningful work is worth wrestling with.

Tune in for encouragement, practical takeaways, insightful book recommendations, and a behind-the-scenes look at why these conversations, and your own journey, matter more than ever!

Chapters

00:00 Introduction

06:57 Exploring Faith and Purpose at Work

11:12 Analyzing Faith’s Role in Work

15:52 Workplace Challenges: Balancing Presence and Tasks

19:46 Heart-Centered Leadership

23:07 Leadership Obstacles and Navigating Difficult Conversations

25:15 God’s Involvement in Everyday Work

30:15 Integrating Faith into Everyday Work

35:35 Balancing Career, Family, and Faith Hardships

43:01 Closing Thoughts

Links

Trailer Sep 10, 2025

The WorkMatters Podcast invites you to discover the sacred, formative nature of work through thoughtful, faith-centered conversations. Each week, we explore how integrating theology and practical action can transform your daily labor into a meaningful part of your spiritual formation in Christ.

Designed for driven and curious Christian professionals, this podcast offers fresh perspectives, practical steps, and encouraging insights to help you live out your faith in the workplace. Whether you’re leading a team, serving customers, or pursuing your craft, The WorkMatters Podcast helps you embrace work as more than a job—it’s a holy calling shaping you into the image of Christ.

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