The Table Audio w/ Evan Rosa

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Oliver Crisp and the Theology of Christmas (Bonus Episode) Dec 24, 2018

Show notes

A Christmas Podcast: Evan Rosa interviews analytic theologian Oliver Crisp on the Incarnation of Christ, and how we can learn from the Incarnation about what it is to be human.

Credits

Hosted by Evan Rosa
Produced by the Biola University Center for Christian Thought
Sponsored by generous grants from the John Templeton Foundation, Templeton Religion Trust, and the Blankemeyer Foundation
Theme music by The Brilliance
Additional scoring by Evan Rosa
Podcast artwork by Steven Reynolds
Thanks to Oliver Crisp and Fuller Theological Seminary
Special thanks to Dasher and Dancer and Prancer and Vixen; oh, ah, Comet and Cupid and Donner and Blitzen)—oh yeah, Rudolph too
Twitter: @EvanSubRosa / @BiolaCCT
Web: cct.biola.edu

Rejoicing in Lament: J. Todd Billings on Life with Christ and Terminal Cancer Dec 10, 2018

Show notes

"My first theological thought was: 'God does not owe me a long life.'" Our guest today is a theologian living with terminal cancer. Dr. J. Todd Billings is the Gordon H. Girod research professor of reformed theology at Western Theological Seminary and an ordained minister in the Reformed Church in America. In 2012, Billings was diagnosed with an incurable blood cancer. Billings and his wife had young children, just three years old and one year old. He was working hard on a book, he was on sabbatical. Things were going well and then they weren't. In this podcast episode, Billings speaks frankly and vulnerably about his diagnosis and illness, his thoughts and feeling about death, and the broader theological and cultural implications about dying.

Show Notes

0:00—Begin interview
2:25—J. Todd Billings’s story and cancer diagnosis
7:40—Praying for healing and praying the Psalms
8:42—"An abundant life in Christ is not measured in years."
12:07—A reading from Psalm 102
13:00—Theological thoughts on facing death
16:42—Prayer as complaint
25:48—Intermission
27:52—San Francisco's prohibition of burials and removal of cemeteries
29:19—How contemporary society talks about death
33:32—Ars moriendi, the art of dying well
34:00—Reference to Martin Luther: "You should think of death
frequently."
37:40—Reflecting on beauty in facing death
48:50—Denying our creaturely limitations
51:28—Grace vs. loss
53:28—What is hope?
54:45—End interview, credits

Quotes From J. Todd Billings

"My first theological thought was God does not owe me a long life.”
"In many ways, the prayer of lament is one of the most faithful
prayers that we can give in witness to Jesus Christ, because not only
Christians but non‑Christians realize that the world around us is a
mess in so many ways."
"If we're followers of the crucified and risen Lord I think we have to believe in that strength that comes, not in spite of weakness but in weakness."
"A part of me did not want to take risks. I kind of wanted to huddle
up. I've had enough pain. I don't want to take risks. That
self‑protective sensibility can become our master. That is not
compatible with Jesus Christ as our master."
"Ultimately, even though it's hard to say, my ultimate hope is not that I can see my kids graduate from high school. My hope is that Jesus Christ, who is Lord, will make all things right and will renew the whole creation on the last day. The hope that I taste by the Spirit is the joy that I have is a foretaste as one who belongs to Christ."
"An abundant life in Christ is not measured in years."

Credits

The Table is sponsored by generous grants from the John Templeton Foundation, Templeton Religion Trust, and The Blankemeyer Foundation
Theme music by The Brilliance
Production and engineering by The Narrativo Group
Production Assistance by Laura Crane
Edited and mixed by TJ Hester
Special thanks to J. Todd Billings
Evan Rosa on Twitter
CCT on Twitter

Os Guinness on Covenantal Love, Unspeakable Evil, and Being American Now Dec 03, 2018

Show notes

"I do not know the answer to the problem of evil, but I do know love. That's the key thing. In Jesus, we cannot doubt the love of God for us if we look at the lengths to which He went." Os Guinness is a social critic, author of more than 30 books and counting and yes, as the name suggests, great‑great‑great grandson to the famous Irish brewer of beverages, Arthur Guinness. An Englishman born to medical missionaries in 1940s China, Os was exposed to dire circumstances from a young age. His early experiences formed in him an appreciation for human purpose, and calling the value of freedom for a flourishing society, a response to evil and suffering, and the meaningfulness of the Christian Gospel in contemporary life. In this episode, we discuss his latest thoughts on American public life today, the meaning of love, the human response to unspeakable suffering and evil around the world, and legacy.

Show Notes

See Os’ Website for more information and content
3:04—Begin interview
3:50—Are we too aware of suffering in the digital age? How should we
deal with it?
7:32—Christians’ distinctive response to suffering
9:00—A selection of Elie Wiesel's Night
12:10—Interlude #1
13:20—Should we try to explain evil?
14:46—Central questions pertaining to the problem of suffering
15:20—The God that suffers with us
16:50—"'I do not know the answer to the problem of evil, but I do know love.' That's the key thing. In Jesus, we cannot doubt the love of God for us if we look at the lengths to which He went."
17:12—"The Second Coming," by W.B. Yeats
18:35—How do you explain the centrality of love in Christian theology
20:00—Covenantal Love
20:45—“Evangelicals today have lost their covenant love loyalty”
21:00—The three elements of the Sinai Covenant
23:00—The state of covenant loyalty in contemporary America and the
church
25:40—What hope is there in the midst of the chaos of public life?
27:55—The failure of the religious right
28:20—What policies or philosophies emerge from the Christian love
commands?
28:55—Os mentions his most recent book on freedom: Last Call for Liberty
30:29—Is there hope for civility in public life?
33:09—Interlude #2
34:30—Interview resumes
35:00—The crisis of accountability
37:00—Legacy, the end of life and end of work
38:55—How do we contemplate our own deaths?
40:48—End interview, credits

Quotes from Os Guinness

"'I do not know the answer to the problem of evil, but I do know love.' That's the key thing. In Jesus, we cannot doubt the love of God for us if we look at the lengths to which He went."
"In suffering, there are two big questions — God's existence and God's character. Is He there? Is He absolutely good? Obviously, for followers of Christ, both those are answered not by a theistic proof. I don't personally put much weight on those...At the end of the day, they're answered in Jesus. If God is the Father of Jesus, and I've come to put my trust in Him, I can trust for His existence and His goodness, although I've never seen the Father."
"The suffering servant is Jesus. When we see Him on the cross, truly, our God hanging there, we can never go so low in life our Lord has not gone lower to express His love and to save us. That's wonderful."
"That's Christian realism. If you say, 'Is there anything wrong with the world?' Absolutely. We Christians are realistic. We know there's something deeply wrong with the world. As GK Chesterton said, 'It's me.' We all say the same."
"Legacy is when the Lord says, 'Well done.'"

Credits

The Table is sponsored by generous grants from the John Templeton Foundation, Templeton Religion Trust, and The Blankemeyer Foundation
Theme music is by The Brilliance
Production and engineering by The Narrativo Group
Edited and mixed by TJ Hester
Production Assistance by Laura Crane
Special thanks to Os Guinness
Evan Rosa on Twitter
CCT on Twitter

You're So Vain: Rebecca Konyndyk DeYoung on Vainglory and Glittering Vices Nov 26, 2018

Show notes

Yes, vanity of vanities. You probably think this show is about you. Well, it is about you; and me; and all of us. But, as our guest today, explains: "This is not a sin and guilt, beat‑yourself‑up exercise. I'm not in the shaming and blaming game at all. What I'm trying to do is move people forward toward liberation and freedom." In this episode, "Queen of the Vices" Philosopher Rebecca Konyndyk DeYoung talks about vainglory, pride, hypocrisy, authenticity, and the human longing for recognition and being known. Her emphasis on grace motivates us toward a life of healing and freedom, and calls us to live up to the dignity and respect that we already have.

Show Notes

0:00 — Podcast intro
3:22 — Begin interview, the role of philosophers in contemporary culture and diagnosing ailments of the soul
4:40 — Vice as a “mirror” or “diagnosis” so that we can move to life and healing
6:19 — The historical role of self-knowledge in flourishing
6:59 — Problems from the desire for and pursuit of self-understanding
10:00 — Today’s culture of authenticity
12:04 — The self-defeating cycle of humility and vainglory
14:15 — John Cassian's story of the preaching monk in the wilderness
15:06 — Vainglory in celebrity and social media culture
19:47 — Intermission
20:57 — “Gift language” that keeps us from being preoccupied with performance
25:44 — Faking it and hypocrisy: reference to Jennifer Herdt's book Putting on Virtue: The Legacy of the Splendid Vices
29:42 — Wanting to be loved vs. wanting applause: vainglory and the need to be loved
34:34 — Reference to Stephen Darwall's view of recognition self-respect and appraisal self-respect
26:13 — The roots of vainglory
42:00 — Habits, practices, and spiritual disciplines that fight against vainglory
48:13 — End interview, credits

Quotes from Rebecca Konyndyk DeYoung

"Evil is a great mystery. Goodness is a great mystery, and they're all sort of tangled up in our hearts. I would caution people about being both too cavalier about not needing to do that deep excavation, but also being too confident that they're able to do it fully and finally in one go."
"When it comes to healthy self‑love, in some respects, the truth that many of us can't hear, or can't register, or can't take in is the fact that we're already unconditionally beloved by God. In some respects, grace is just too good a news for us."
"The great thing about the spiritual disciplines, or maybe the not‑so‑great thing, is that God will do whatever work needs to get done to bring you into a more virtuous state."
"This culture tends to like to just put itself on display. In some respects, it's a way of being authentic. 'See, here I am. No holds barred. I'm filming it live. There's no editing,' that kind of stuff. That's a shallower version of authenticity than the Christian tradition calls for."
"This is not a sin and guilt, beat‑yourself‑up exercise. I'm not in the shaming and blaming game at all. What I'm trying to do is move people forward toward liberation and freedom."

Credits

The Table is sponsored by generous grants from the John Templeton Foundation, Templeton Religion Trust, and The Blankemeyer Foundation
Theme music by The Brilliance
Production and engineering by The Narrativo Group
Production Assistance by Laura Crane
Edited and mixed by TJ Hester
Special thanks to Rebecca Konyndyk DeYoung
Evan Rosa on Twitter
CCT on Twitter

The Psychology of Gratitude: How Saying Thanks Makes You Happier Nov 19, 2018

Show notes

Gratitude is deeply woven into the Christian way. Believers and non-believers alike, representing many wisdom traditions, have all long practiced the act of giving thanks. Our station in life is one of utter dependence, gift, and grace. So thankfulness is fitting and right. But gratitude has deep and often instantaneous impact. Just look at the celebrity stars Fred Rogers has weeping after 10 seconds of grateful silence. It's easy to forget the utter simplicity of being from the perspective of gratitude, especially with all those irresistible Black Friday deals in your inbox (thanks for clicking this email instead). May you live in the lightness of God's grace this week, and enjoy this little reflection on the impact gratitude has on well-being, struggle, meaning, and the human good. This Season 2 bonus episode features UC Davis psychologist Robert Emmons, one of the world’s leading researchers of Gratitude, on the power of saying thanks. From our Table to yours, Happy Thanksgiving from those of us at CCT.

Show Notes

0:00—Podcast introduction
4:42—Begin interview: Robert Emmon's work and research on studying happy people and gratitude
11:30—Intermission
12:50—Resume interview: The role of empirical evidence and giving advice in our self-help and productivity driven culture
16:22—Gratitude in the context of suffering
22:14—How gratitude shapes our identity and makes meaning in life
25:45—End interview, credits

Credits

Produced by the Biola University Center for Christian Thought
Sponsored by generous grants from the John Templeton Foundation, Templeton Religion Trust, and the Blankemeyer Foundation
Hosted by Evan Rosa
Production Assistance by Laura Crane
Theme music by The Brilliance
Edited by a Turkey named Stewart
Sound FX by Mashed Potatoes
Additional scoring provided by a Bowl of Gravy
Production assistance by Stuffing, with some additional tape edits by Cranberry Sauce
Follow Evan Rosa on Twitter @EvanSubRosa
Follow the Center for Christian Thought on Twitter @BiolaCCT
Visit our website cct.biola.edu

What is Love? Thomas J. Oord on the Mystery and Definition of Love Nov 12, 2018

Show notes

What is love? For something so familiar to the human experience, love is notoriously difficult to define, explain, and articulate, and even harder to embody. Our guest Thomas J. Oord has spent the last two decades thinking about the theology, science, and philosophy of love. In this episode, we cover a variety of themes and questions related to the theology of love, including: love's definition and expression, the nature of divine love, the connection between love and fear, and Christian understanding of the science and psychology of love. Oh, and a few pop-culture love song references, too. Enjoy.

Show Notes

0:00—Podcast intro
2:50—Begin interview, a man in the business of big ideas
7:24—For the love of wisdom and the wisdom of love
8:19—The problem with defining love
11:38—Dr. Oord’s three-part definition of love: intentionality, relationship, promotion of overall well-being
13:07—Reference to The Four Loves by C.S. Lewis, Wolterstorff's work on love
13:25—Is there only one love, or different kinds with different definitions?
13:39—Types of love: Agape, Philia, Eros
16:34—Love in pop culture and music
17:38—Different natures of love: loving an enemy vs. loving a child
20:28—Anxiety over the mysterious nature of love
23:00—Connecting love to shalom
24:24—Real examples of shalom in communities
27:10—Love in manners and habits of kindness
29:15—Intermission
31:07—The science of love
38:42—Does the lover receive benefit from his/her own loving?
41:24—"As you wish..." means "I love you"; how The Princess Bride explains the relationship between obedience is love
42:44—Loving God; does God benefit from our love and obedience?
44:28—Loving through suffering and the relationship between fear and love
52:20—End interview, credits

Quotes from Thomas J. Oord

"We may not think alike, but we can love alike."
"For me, this in spite of love, because of love, alongside of love, is a way to think about general ways in which love, as an overarching word, is expressed in our lives day‑to‑day."
"Love is the kind of word that has many aspects and dimensions that a person can describe rightfully or truthfully and yet not capture everything they want to say about love."
"Love has one definition but many forms. If an activity is truly loving, it must fit the general definition, but there are lots of different ways in which we can love."
"We oftentimes want to judge others based upon what we think is the right thing and what we're capable of and what the 'normal' person is capable of. We need to open ourselves up to the possibility that what some people are capable of is different than others because of their bodies, because of their histories, because of the communities they're a part of."

Credits

The Table is sponsored by generous grants from the John Templeton Foundation, Templeton Religion Trust, and The Blankemeyer Foundation
Theme music by The Brilliance
Production and engineering by The Narrativo Group
Production Assistance by Laura Crane
Edited and mixed by TJ Hester
Special thanks to Thomas J. Oord
Evan Rosa on Twitter
CCT on Twitter

No Man's Land: Diane Glancy on Identity, Voicelessness, and Living in the In-Between Nov 05, 2018

Show notes

On living and finding meaning in the "in-between"—featuring Diane Glancy, an American poet, author, and playwright of Cherokee descent on embracing liminality.

What would it feel like to live constantly in the "in-between"—to feel caught in the margins, to be stuck on the causeway, at the threshold, held in the foyer, neither here nor there? There is ambiguity and disorientation in the liminal space, and it's a more common experience than you might think.

Diane Glancy, an American poet, author, and playwright of Cherokee descent has come to embrace this experience of liminality. She gathers voices in her novels and poems, sometimes completely nameless, forgotten or silenced by history. Her embrace reveals a commitment to finding meaning in holiness, even in the vague, unnoticed margins, in the negative space. Join us as we explore with Diane the meaning that lies in the in-between.

Show Notes

3:35—Diane’s shares her “Origin story”
4:20—Diane introduces her experience of adjacency throughout her journey
5:15—Diane shares an early Cherokee creation story
7:45—Evan asks Diane about the spiritual and cultural background of her upbringing
9:15—Diane elaborates on adjacency as a Christian and a Native American woman and an academic
11:50—Evan asks Diane about how she fills in the spaces of her own adjancency
12:22—Diane mentions her book, In-Between Places
12:30—Evan asks Diane what she means by “liminality” and “adjancency”
14:25—Diane shares her experience of liminality in her own divorce
15:35—Evan asks Diane about her perception of space, but figurative and physical
17:40—Diane elaborates on her experience of “land”
17:58—Location of pull quote from beginning
18:45—Evan invites listeners to check out other Table content at https://cct.biola.edu/the-table/
19:54—Diane introduces us to Ada Blackjack
21:40—Evan draws connections between poetry, liminality, and the life of faith
22:45—Diane picks up Ada’s story again
24:56—Evan brings up poet Scott Cairns as a helpful conversation partner, and speaks about Diane’s openness to empty space.
25:52—Diane reads her poem "Asylum in the Grasslands"
27:35—Diane reflects on "Asylum in the Grasslands" and introduces her study on Job
28:40—Diane addresses the loveliness of suffering
30:00—Evan introduces the book of Job and its themes
30:27—Diane expands on her new work on Job
32:10—Evan introduces the further story of Job’s wife and Glancy’s recent interest in her

Credits

The Table is sponsored by generous grants from the John Templeton Foundation, Templeton Religion Trust, and The Blankemeyer Foundation
Theme music is by The Brilliance
Production and engineering by The Narrativo Group
Edited and mixed by TJ Hester
Production Assistance by Laura Crane
Special thanks to Diane Glancy
Evan Rosa on Twitter
CCT on Twitter

Quotes from Diane Glancy

"The liminal and the multivalent and the adjacency is always where I have found my being. Through writing, I have made it substance. There's one word. Then you put down another word. Then you put down another word. Pretty soon, it's solid ground."
"It just comes. It's like a muscle or something that you use. You have a certain calling. Mine was to suffering and to the importance of the past, and to give historical voices to those that did not have a chance to speak."

Jesus, Stab Me in the Heart!: Jessica Hooten Wilson on the Gospel According to Flannery O'Connor Oct 29, 2018

Show notes

"This is where O'Connor scandalizes people. God redeems the moment, so violence doesn't become nihilism the way it would maybe in a Tarantino film. In her world, God is there."

Flannery O'Connor is an American novelist, essayist, and short-story writer known for her sardonic Southern Gothic style with grotesque characters and violent scenes. Our guest today, Jessica Hooten Wilson, is a Flannery O'Connor expert and is currently preparing O'Connor's unfinished novel Why Do the Heathen Rage? for publication. Dr. Hooten Wilson shares her intimate knowledge of O'Connor, her writing, and the Gospel message that emerges from the pages of her dark and twisted stories.

Show Notes

0:00—Podcast intro
2:34—Excerpt from Jessica Hooten Wilson on "A Temple of the Holy Ghost" (from her lecture at The Table Conference, September 2017, "Resilience: Growing Stronger Through Struggle")—"Dear Lord, I want to be a saint, because that is the vocation in which you know everything... but I will never be a saint, because I'm a born liar, and I'm slothful, and sass my mother and I'm ugly to almost everybody. Now I can't be a saint, but I might be a martyr if they kill me quick."
5:14—Introduction: Jessica Hooten Wilson
6:14—Begin interview, Flannery O'Connor's writing
9:12—Jessica Hooten Wilson's biography in terms of Flannery O'Connor
11:07—Flannery O'Connor's focus on the "dark" realities in the world
15:00—How Flannery O'Connor portrays the Gospel
16:24—Literary use of violence and suffering
20:00—Redemptive suffering
22:50—Intermission
24:05—Jessica Hooten Wilson's favorite Flannery O'Connor character, Mrs. Greenleaf
26:41—Discussion of Mrs. Greenleaf's "prayer healings" and her famous line, "Jesus, Jesus! Stab me in the heart!"
34:45—What it means to be "Christ-haunted"
35:33—Audio recording of Flannery O'Connor on the South being "Christ-haunted" (from "Flannery O'Connor Reads 'Some Aspects of the Grotesque in Southern Fiction' (c. 1960)"
43:47—Flannery O'Connor's battle with Lupus: "I'm sick of being sick." and "I can with one eye squinted, take it as a blessing." "If suffering is a grace, then perhaps it could be prayed for."
45:09—Further discussion on O'Connor's own suffering and how it shaped her writing and thinking
49:58—End interview
50:20—Audio recording of Flannery O'Connor reading excerpt from "A Good Man is Hard to Find", credits

Quotes from Jessica Hooten Wilson

"This is where O'Connor scandalizes people. God redeems the moment, so violence doesn't become nihilism the way it would maybe in a Tarantino film. In her world God is there. You're able to then accept grace instead and allow God to redeem violence for another purpose. That scandalizes people because violence in itself is awful, ugly, and disturbing."
"She's not praying to withstand cauldrons of boiling pitch or arenas of lion. It's a different kind of suffering that she's praying about, one that would actually be a conduit for grace."
"For O’Connor, if you’re a Christian, you should be suffering in some way. If you’re not suffering in some way, then maybe you’re not following Christ as closely as you wish you were."

Credits

The Table is sponsored by generous grants from the John Templeton Foundation, Templeton Religion Trust, and The Blankemeyer Foundation
Theme music by The Brilliance
Production and engineering by The Narrativo Group
Edited and mixed by TJ Hester
Production Assistance by Laura Crane
Visit Jessica Hooten Wilson's website
Evan Rosa on Twitter
CCT on Twitter

For God and Country: Russell Moore on Love and Humility in American Politics Oct 22, 2018

Show notes

In October 2016 just prior to the Presidential Election, we interviewed Dr. Russell Moore—an Evangelical ethicist, theologian and preacher who has been named one of the top 50 influence-makers in Washington. Dr. Moore was dubbed by then-Presidential candidate Donald Trump on Twitter as "truly a terrible representative of American Evangelicals and all of the good they stand for. A nasty guy with no heart!" Well, we disagree. Listen as Dr. Moore shares his thoughts on love, humility, and power in American political life.

Show Notes

0:00—Show introduction and all about Russell Moore (including a shout out from @realDonaldTrump)
3:22—Russell Moore on his vocation
4:00—The 2016 presidential election and beyond
6:45—Nicholas Carr, Utopia is Creepy
7:00—The 2016 election and other elections—what’s different?
8:25—Humility and the presidential office
11:35—What’s the role of the church in public life?
11:46—Reference to Dr. Moore's book Onward: Engaging the Culture Without Losing the Gospel
13:00—Mentions Pope Francis’ culture of disposable people (his first major statement as pope)
15:25—The current state of Christianity in America
15:40—Christians and the Moral Majority
17:04—“A genuinely authentic Christian witness is always going to be counter to the way of the flesh and the way of the world.”
18:00—Christian hypocrisy
19:00—Jesus’ definition of power and ours
19:33—Intermission
20:50—Christian "engaged alienation": What is it? How does civic friendship fit in?
21:55—Proper ordering of love
23:25—Original pull quote at intro
24:00—Why does religious liberty matter?
28:10—How should the church interact and cooperate with the state?
29:06—Christians and the major issues: homosexuality, family
31:17—Loving those we disagree with
36:04—End interview, start credits

Quotes by Russell Moore

"We can be Americans best when we're not Americans first.
"We've seen 'we' as being the United States of America first, rather than seeing 'we' first as the global body of Christ, as a member of the church of Jesus Christ.' That changes the way that we see people on the outside. It changes the priorities that we have."
"Our love has to be defined primarily in terms of who we are as the kingdom of God."
"If we have an unbounded patriotism, then we end up with an alternative religion and we end up with an idol. If we have the patriotism that is bounded, the patriotism that is a subordinate love, then it's something that is deeply powerful and quite right."

Credits

The Table is sponsored by generous grants from the John Templeton Foundation, Templeton Religion Trust, and The Blankemeyer Foundation
Theme music by The Brilliance
Production and engineering by The Narrativo Group
Edited and mixed by TJ Hester
Production Assistance by Laura Pelser
Special thanks to Russell Moore
Follow: @drmoore @BiolaCCT @Evan_Rosa

The Joyous Dance of Humility and Magnanimity: Jennifer Herdt on Virtue and Joy Oct 15, 2018

Show notes

How shall we think about the apparent conflict between the call to humility and the call to greatness and honor? Is it demeaning to be humble given that we are made in the image of God? Or is humility it the ultimate regard for humanity? How can we put on Christ without being guilty of "acting" or "faking it"? How can we be magnanimous, or have greatness of soul, without pride interfering? Professor of Christian Ethics Jennifer Herdt responds to these questions and helps us navigate the balancing act between humility and magnanimity.

Show Notes

0:00—Podcast intro
3:49—Begin interview, Jennifer's intellectual conversion story
4:44—Herdt's Putting on Virtue: The Legacy of the Splendid Vices book and putting on Christ vs. "faking it"
7:53—17th century interest in virtue
9:52—The court and virtue vs. performance to influence
10:43—Reference to Socrates' concern for reality vs. appearance
11:54—Reference to Rousseau
12:24—Unpacking Augustinian phrase "splendid" or "glittering" vices
16:42—Humility as a virtue or as a vice?
20:00—Modern critiques of humility as a virtue
23:04—Friedrich Nietzsche's perspective on humility
25:24—Interlude 1
26:42—Historical and philosophical views of magnanimity
31:55—Balancing magnanimity and humility; Jesus as the exemplar
35:14—The "great things" that we are called to
36:05—Interlude 2
38:25—Infused vs. acquired virtues
42:30—Goodness by imitation or hypocrisy?
44:36—Jesuit theatrical tradition, reference to book Silence and feature film Silence
47:33—Humility and joy
51:30—End interview, credits

Quotes from Jennifer Herdt

"We are called to befriend the sinner and the outcast. We're called to relationship with one another. We're called to connection. Pride separates us from that connection. Insecurity separates us from that connection."
"If humility enhances friendship because it takes down those barriers that separate us from one another in our tendency to always compete with and compare ourselves to one another, then humility is a path to friendship."

Credits

The Table is sponsored by generous grants from the John Templeton Foundation, Templeton Religion Trust, and The Blankemeyer Foundation
Theme music is by The Brilliance
Production and engineering by The Narrativo Group
Edited and mixed by TJ Hester
Production Assistance by Laura Pelser
Special thanks to Jennifer Herdt
Evan Rosa on Twitter
CCT on Twitter

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