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    The Road to Wisdom Podcast

    Fanning the flame of conversation around motherhood, health & being human, The Road to Wisdom Podcast creates the environment to have meaningful discussions with thought provoking leaders around the world. With the intention to further educate and deep dive into both curious and contentious subject matter, your hosts, Chloe & Keshia, ask the tough questions in order to reveal the truth at its core. No subject is off limits exploring relationships, intimacy, parenting, health, industrialised systems, ethics, political ideologies & much more.

    Join Chloe and Keshia on their journey

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    Maternity Nurse on Reclaiming Her Power: Work & Birth With Yaz Salera Apr 29, 2025
    Show notes

    In episode 95 of The Road to Wisdom Podcast we chat to Yaz Salera—a perinatal nurse turned new mother, blogger, and host of The Birth Unboxed Podcast. With years of experience inside the hospital system, Yaz opens up about the internal conflicts she faced while working in a maternity ward and how witnessing the rigid, protocol-driven care shaped her own birth intentions.

    We talk about the quiet heartbreak of knowing better but being unable to do more within a system that prioritizes ticking boxes over truly supporting women. Yaz shares how her professional experiences propelled her to seek alternative paths for her own birth and postpartum journey—ones rooted in autonomy, intuition, and trust in her body.

    She opens up vulnerably about her personal birth experience, the judgment she faced for making empowered choices, and what it's like to stand in your truth when the system pushes back.

    This conversation is a powerful reminder of the importance of informed choices, the courage it takes to go against the grain, and the healing that happens when we share our stories.

    In this episode, we explore:

    • Yaz’s experience as a maternity nurse and the emotional toll of working within hospital policy

    • What she witnessed that made her determined to birth differently

    • The nuanced grief of knowing better but not being able to do better within the system

    • Her personal birth and postpartum story, including the resistance she faced

    • The value of slow living, intentional motherhood, and reclaiming birth as sacred

    Whether you’re a mama, a birth worker, or someone simply curious about what really happens behind the scenes in maternity care—this episode will move you, challenge you, and inspire you.

    Connect with Yaz:

    • Website: yazsalera.com

    • Instagram: @yaz_salera

    • Podcast: The Birth Unboxed Podcast

    Loved what you heard in this episode? Your support means the world. Make sure to hit that subscribe button, spread the word with your pals, and drop us a review. By doing so, you're not just tuning in – you're fueling our community's growth and paving the way for more incredible guests to grace our show. As the week rolls by, we're already cooking up more tantalizing content for your hungry ears. Keen to stay in the loop with the latest episode releases? Follow our journey on Instagram at @theroadtowisdom.podcast and catch behind-the-scenes action on our YouTube channel @theroadtowisdompodcast. Don't miss out on a thing – also, snag the freshest updates straight to your inbox by subscribing to our newsletter over at ⁠⁠https://www.theroadtowisdompodcast.com/⁠⁠. It's your VIP ticket to all things The Road To Wisdom


    Maternity Nurse on Reclaiming Her Power: Work & Birth With Yaz Salera Apr 29, 2025
    Show notes

    In episode 95 of The Road to Wisdom Podcast we chat to Yaz Salera—a perinatal nurse turned new mother, blogger, and host of The Birth Unboxed Podcast. With years of experience inside the hospital system, Yaz opens up about the internal conflicts she faced while working in a maternity ward and how witnessing the rigid, protocol-driven care shaped her own birth intentions.

    We talk about the quiet heartbreak of knowing better but being unable to do more within a system that prioritizes ticking boxes over truly supporting women. Yaz shares how her professional experiences propelled her to seek alternative paths for her own birth and postpartum journey—ones rooted in autonomy, intuition, and trust in her body.

    She opens up vulnerably about her personal birth experience, the judgment she faced for making empowered choices, and what it's like to stand in your truth when the system pushes back.

    This conversation is a powerful reminder of the importance of informed choices, the courage it takes to go against the grain, and the healing that happens when we share our stories.

    In this episode, we explore:

    • Yaz’s experience as a maternity nurse and the emotional toll of working within hospital policy

    • What she witnessed that made her determined to birth differently

    • The nuanced grief of knowing better but not being able to do better within the system

    • Her personal birth and postpartum story, including the resistance she faced

    • The value of slow living, intentional motherhood, and reclaiming birth as sacred

    Whether you’re a mama, a birth worker, or someone simply curious about what really happens behind the scenes in maternity care—this episode will move you, challenge you, and inspire you.

    Connect with Yaz:

    • Website: yazsalera.com

    • Instagram: @yaz_salera

    • Podcast: The Birth Unboxed Podcast

    Loved what you heard in this episode? Your support means the world. Make sure to hit that subscribe button, spread the word with your pals, and drop us a review. By doing so, you're not just tuning in – you're fueling our community's growth and paving the way for more incredible guests to grace our show. As the week rolls by, we're already cooking up more tantalizing content for your hungry ears. Keen to stay in the loop with the latest episode releases? Follow our journey on Instagram at @theroadtowisdom.podcast and catch behind-the-scenes action on our YouTube channel @theroadtowisdompodcast. Don't miss out on a thing – also, snag the freshest updates straight to your inbox by subscribing to our newsletter over at ⁠⁠https://www.theroadtowisdompodcast.com/⁠⁠. It's your VIP ticket to all things The Road To Wisdom


    If You Don’t Laugh You’ll Cry: Why Comedy For Contentious Topics Is A Must With Lisa Spencer Apr 22, 2025
    Show notes

    In episode 94 of The Road to Wisdom Podcast Chloe and Keshia chat with comedy gal Lisa Spencer. We have a lively and thought-provoking conversation about the power of comedy to tackle controversial and complex issues. We explore how humor helps us cope with difficult topics, challenge societal norms, and spark meaningful conversations.

    This discussion dives into the process of creating parodies and how research plays a key role in making comedy both clever and relatable. This conversation also turns to the rise of platforms like OnlyFans, looking at the reality behind its business model. We break down the financial pressures creators face, the escalating nature of explicit content, and the long-term impact of sharing personal material online. Reflecting on how social media shapes choices, the importance of accountability, and how society responds to offense and criticism.

    Another highlight of the episode is the recent wombat controversy, which opens up a broader discussion about animal rights, cultural awareness, and the way comedy can be used to approach serious topics. Lisa shares her personal journey into stand-up comedy, and the hosts talk about how performing and even failing on stage offers a space for growth and exploration. Through it all, our conversation weaves together themes of humor, media influence, public outrage, and the divide between urban and rural perspectives.

    At its core, this episode is about the importance of laughter, the courage to speak honestly, and the power of comedy to open up hard conversations in a world full of noise.

    Please do yourself a favour and follow Lisa for comedy gold @lisajanespencer

    Loved what you heard in this episode? Your support means the world. Make sure to hit that subscribe button, spread the word with your pals, and drop us a review. By doing so, you're not just tuning in – you're fueling our community's growth and paving the way for more incredible guests to grace our show. As the week rolls by, we're already cooking up more tantalizing content for your hungry ears. Keen to stay in the loop with the latest episode releases? Follow our journey on Instagram at @theroadtowisdom.podcast and catch behind-the-scenes action on our YouTube channel @theroadtowisdompodcast. Don't miss out on a thing – also, snag the freshest updates straight to your inbox by subscribing to our newsletter over at ⁠⁠https://www.theroadtowisdompodcast.com/⁠⁠. It's your VIP ticket to all things The Road To Wisdom


    If You Don’t Laugh You’ll Cry: Why Comedy For Contentious Topics Is A Must With Lisa Spencer Apr 22, 2025
    Show notes

    In episode 94 of The Road to Wisdom Podcast Chloe and Keshia chat with comedy gal Lisa Spencer. We have a lively and thought-provoking conversation about the power of comedy to tackle controversial and complex issues. We explore how humor helps us cope with difficult topics, challenge societal norms, and spark meaningful conversations.

    This discussion dives into the process of creating parodies and how research plays a key role in making comedy both clever and relatable. This conversation also turns to the rise of platforms like OnlyFans, looking at the reality behind its business model. We break down the financial pressures creators face, the escalating nature of explicit content, and the long-term impact of sharing personal material online. Reflecting on how social media shapes choices, the importance of accountability, and how society responds to offense and criticism.

    Another highlight of the episode is the recent wombat controversy, which opens up a broader discussion about animal rights, cultural awareness, and the way comedy can be used to approach serious topics. Lisa shares her personal journey into stand-up comedy, and the hosts talk about how performing and even failing on stage offers a space for growth and exploration. Through it all, our conversation weaves together themes of humor, media influence, public outrage, and the divide between urban and rural perspectives.

    At its core, this episode is about the importance of laughter, the courage to speak honestly, and the power of comedy to open up hard conversations in a world full of noise.

    Please do yourself a favour and follow Lisa for comedy gold @lisajanespencer

    Loved what you heard in this episode? Your support means the world. Make sure to hit that subscribe button, spread the word with your pals, and drop us a review. By doing so, you're not just tuning in – you're fueling our community's growth and paving the way for more incredible guests to grace our show. As the week rolls by, we're already cooking up more tantalizing content for your hungry ears. Keen to stay in the loop with the latest episode releases? Follow our journey on Instagram at @theroadtowisdom.podcast and catch behind-the-scenes action on our YouTube channel @theroadtowisdompodcast. Don't miss out on a thing – also, snag the freshest updates straight to your inbox by subscribing to our newsletter over at ⁠⁠https://www.theroadtowisdompodcast.com/⁠⁠. It's your VIP ticket to all things The Road To Wisdom


    Breaking the Silence: The Realities of Abortion with Dr Stu Fischbein Apr 15, 2025
    Show notes

    In episode 93 of The Road to Wisdom Podcast Chloe and Keshia speak with Stuart James Fischbein, MD. Board Certified in 1989 by the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology and became a Fellow of the American College of Obstetrics & Gynecology.

    In this episode, we open up a raw and deeply layered conversation about abortion—one that goes beyond headlines and politics, and into the personal, emotional, and medical realities that so many women face. We explore what actually happens during abortion procedures, the resilience of the female body (especially the uterus), and how hormonal shifts post-abortion can affect women both physically and emotionally.

    This is a space where we unpack the many myths and misunderstandings that surround abortion, from questions about fertility and medical necessity to the often-overlooked emotional aftermath. We talk about the importance of truly informed consent, the variability in procedure quality depending on the provider, and why so many women walk away from these experiences feeling blindsided.

    The conversation also touches on contraception—what works, what doesn’t, and why education around it still has such a long way to go. We dive into the ethical grey zones, especially in life-threatening scenarios, and even explore the unique dilemmas that come up in cases involving surrogacy.

    There’s no denying that abortion is a deeply personal and often polarizing topic. But here, we try to approach it with honesty and compassion, creating space for complexity rather than soundbites. We also consider the role of healthcare providers, the pressures they face under certain laws, and the broader societal responsibilities when it comes to preventing unwanted pregnancies.

    Whether you’re looking to better understand reproductive health or just want to hear a thoughtful, nuanced take on a topic that touches so many lives, this conversation is an open-hearted place to begin.

    Stu can be found via http://www.birthinginstincts.com/drstu

    Loved what you heard in this episode? Your support means the world. Make sure to hit that subscribe button, spread the word with your pals, and drop us a review. By doing so, you're not just tuning in – you're fueling our community's growth and paving the way for more incredible guests to grace our show. As the week rolls by, we're already cooking up more tantalizing content for your hungry ears. Keen to stay in the loop with the latest episode releases? Follow our journey on Instagram at @theroadtowisdom.podcast and catch behind-the-scenes action on our YouTube channel @theroadtowisdompodcast. Don't miss out on a thing – also, snag the freshest updates straight to your inbox by subscribing to our newsletter over at ⁠⁠https://www.theroadtowisdompodcast.com/⁠⁠. It's your VIP ticket to all things The Road To Wisdom


    Breaking the Silence: The Realities of Abortion with Dr Stu Fischbein Apr 15, 2025
    Show notes

    In episode 93 of The Road to Wisdom Podcast Chloe and Keshia speak with Stuart James Fischbein, MD was Board Certified in 1989 by the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology and became a Fellow of the American College of Obstetrics & Gynecology.

    In this episode, we open up a raw and deeply layered conversation about abortion—one that goes beyond headlines and politics, and into the personal, emotional, and medical realities that so many women face. We explore what actually happens during abortion procedures, the resilience of the female body (especially the uterus), and how hormonal shifts post-abortion can affect women both physically and emotionally.

    This is a space where we unpack the many myths and misunderstandings that surround abortion, from questions about fertility and medical necessity to the often-overlooked emotional aftermath. We talk about the importance of truly informed consent, the variability in procedure quality depending on the provider, and why so many women walk away from these experiences feeling blindsided.

    The conversation also touches on contraception—what works, what doesn’t, and why education around it still has such a long way to go. We dive into the ethical grey zones, especially in life-threatening scenarios, and even explore the unique dilemmas that come up in cases involving surrogacy.

    There’s no denying that abortion is a deeply personal and often polarizing topic. But here, we try to approach it with honesty and compassion, creating space for complexity rather than soundbites. We also consider the role of healthcare providers, the pressures they face under certain laws, and the broader societal responsibilities when it comes to preventing unwanted pregnancies.

    Whether you’re looking to better understand reproductive health or just want to hear a thoughtful, nuanced take on a topic that touches so many lives, this conversation is an open-hearted place to begin.

    Stu can be found via http://www.birthinginstincts.com/drstu

    Loved what you heard in this episode? Your support means the world. Make sure to hit that subscribe button, spread the word with your pals, and drop us a review. By doing so, you're not just tuning in – you're fueling our community's growth and paving the way for more incredible guests to grace our show. As the week rolls by, we're already cooking up more tantalizing content for your hungry ears. Keen to stay in the loop with the latest episode releases? Follow our journey on Instagram at @theroadtowisdom.podcast and catch behind-the-scenes action on our YouTube channel @theroadtowisdompodcast. Don't miss out on a thing – also, snag the freshest updates straight to your inbox by subscribing to our newsletter over at ⁠⁠https://www.theroadtowisdompodcast.com/⁠⁠. It's your VIP ticket to all things The Road To Wisdom


    Modern Feminism, Having Lots Of Babies & Do We Cause Our Own Problems? With Chloe & Keshia Apr 08, 2025
    Show notes

    In episode 92 of The Road to Wisdom podcast, Chloe & Keshia solo record to catch up and debrief on a few previously recorded episodes. Touching on women who can stay at home and raise children, what makes it possible to have more children, why we are sometimes the one causing problems in our relationships and more!

    Loved what you heard in this episode? Your support means the world. Make sure to hit that subscribe button, spread the word with your pals, and drop us a review. By doing so, you're not just tuning in – you're fueling our community's growth and paving the way for more incredible guests to grace our show. As the week rolls by, we're already cooking up more tantalizing content for your hungry ears. Keen to stay in the loop with the latest episode releases? Follow our journey on Instagram at @theroadtowisdom.podcast and catch behind-the-scenes action on our YouTube channel @theroadtowisdompodcast. Don't miss out on a thing – also, snag the freshest updates straight to your inbox by subscribing to our newsletter over at ⁠⁠https://www.theroadtowisdompodcast.com/⁠⁠. It's your VIP ticket to all things The Road To Wisdom


    Modern Feminism, Having Lots Of Babies & Do We Cause Our Own Problems? With Chloe & Keshia Apr 08, 2025
    Show notes

    In episode 92 of The Road to Wisdom podcast, Chloe & Keshia solo record to catch up and debrief on a few previously recorded episodes. Touching on women who can stay at home and raise children, what makes it possible to have more children, why we are sometimes the one causing problems in our relationships and more!

    Loved what you heard in this episode? Your support means the world. Make sure to hit that subscribe button, spread the word with your pals, and drop us a review. By doing so, you're not just tuning in – you're fueling our community's growth and paving the way for more incredible guests to grace our show. As the week rolls by, we're already cooking up more tantalizing content for your hungry ears. Keen to stay in the loop with the latest episode releases? Follow our journey on Instagram at @theroadtowisdom.podcast and catch behind-the-scenes action on our YouTube channel @theroadtowisdompodcast. Don't miss out on a thing – also, snag the freshest updates straight to your inbox by subscribing to our newsletter over at ⁠⁠https://www.theroadtowisdompodcast.com/⁠⁠. It's your VIP ticket to all things The Road To Wisdom


    Navigating Relationships: Communication, Intimacy, and Emotional Needs Part 2 With John Gray Apr 01, 2025
    Show notes

    In episode 91 of The Road to Wisdom podcast, Chloe & Keshia speak with "Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus" Author, John Gray. This is a 2 part series , please go back to part one if you haven't already! We invited John on for a second time to discuss what it takes to deepen our connection in partnership. Relationships are complex, shaped by communication, emotional needs, and cultural expectations. In this episode, we explore why relationships break down, the impact of unresolved complaints, and how emotional availability—or the lack of it—affects connection.

    We discuss how cultural influences and evolving gender roles shape modern relationships, often creating tension between tradition and personal fulfillment. Safety, both emotional and physical, is essential for trust and intimacy, while community support can make or break a partnership.

    The conversation shifts to monogamy, emotional fulfillment, and the role of intimacy in long-term commitment. Communication styles often differ between men and women, leading to misunderstandings that fuel conflict. We break down how to navigate disagreements effectively and whether silence is a tool for healing or a sign of disconnection.

    Loved what you heard in this episode? Your support means the world. Make sure to hit that subscribe button, spread the word with your pals, and drop us a review. By doing so, you're not just tuning in – you're fueling our community's growth and paving the way for more incredible guests to grace our show. As the week rolls by, we're already cooking up more tantalizing content for your hungry ears. Keen to stay in the loop with the latest episode releases? Follow our journey on Instagram at @theroadtowisdom.podcast and catch behind-the-scenes action on our YouTube channel @theroadtowisdompodcast. Don't miss out on a thing – also, snag the freshest updates straight to your inbox by subscribing to our newsletter over at ⁠⁠https://www.theroadtowisdompodcast.com/⁠⁠. It's your VIP ticket to all things The Road To Wisdom


    Navigating Relationships: Communication, Intimacy, and Emotional Needs Part 2 With John Gray Apr 01, 2025
    Show notes

    In episode 91 of The Road to Wisdom podcast, Chloe & Keshia speak with "Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus" Author, John Gray. This is a 2 part series, please go back to part one if you haven't already! We invited John on for a second time to discuss what it takes to deepen our connection in partnership. Relationships are complex, shaped by communication, emotional needs, and cultural expectations. In this episode, we explore why relationships break down, the impact of unresolved complaints, and how emotional availability—or the lack of it—affects connection.

    We discuss how cultural influences and evolving gender roles shape modern relationships, often creating tension between tradition and personal fulfillment. Safety, both emotional and physical, is essential for trust and intimacy, while community support can make or break a partnership.

    The conversation shifts to monogamy, emotional fulfillment, and the role of intimacy in long-term commitment. Communication styles often differ between men and women, leading to misunderstandings that fuel conflict. We break down how to navigate disagreements effectively and whether silence is a tool for healing or a sign of disconnection.

    Loved what you heard in this episode? Your support means the world. Make sure to hit that subscribe button, spread the word with your pals, and drop us a review. By doing so, you're not just tuning in – you're fueling our community's growth and paving the way for more incredible guests to grace our show. As the week rolls by, we're already cooking up more tantalizing content for your hungry ears. Keen to stay in the loop with the latest episode releases? Follow our journey on Instagram at @theroadtowisdom.podcast and catch behind-the-scenes action on our YouTube channel @theroadtowisdompodcast. Don't miss out on a thing – also, snag the freshest updates straight to your inbox by subscribing to our newsletter over at ⁠⁠https://www.theroadtowisdompodcast.com/⁠⁠. It's your VIP ticket to all things The Road To Wisdom


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