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    Human Potential Lab

    For eleven years and 478 episodes, Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman hosted The Psychology Podcast, one of the most listened-to psychology shows in the world, with more than 30 million downloads. Human Potential Lab is what that show has become.

    The questions have moved. What is a mind? What makes something conscious? What happens to being human when the things we build start to look like minds themselves? Too much of the work is happening out of public view. In this new show, Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman sits down with the scientists, philosophers and technologists working at the frontier — the people whose work is actively deciding what we could become as a species.

    Scott Barry Kaufman is a cognitive scientist and the founder of the Center for Human Potential. He holds a Ph.D. from Yale and an M.Phil. from Cambridge, has taught at Columbia, NYU and the University of Pennsylvania, and is the author or editor of twelve books, including Transcend, Ungifted, Wired to Create and Rise Above. New episodes every other week from October 28, 2026.

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    The Psychology of Humor || Bob Mankoff Oct 12, 2023
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    Today we welcome Bob Mankoff to the podcast. For over 40 years, Bob Mankoff has been the driving force of comedy and satire at some of the most honored publications in America, including The New Yorker and Esquire. He is the founder of Cartoon Collections, parent company to CartoonStock.com, the world’s most successful cartoon licensing platform. For twenty years as Cartoon Editor for The New Yorker, Bob pored over thousands of submissions each week, analyzing, critiquing, and selecting each cartoon. In 2005, he helped start the “New Yorker Cartoon Caption Contest.” Bob is the author of numerous books, including his New York Times bestselling memoir, How About Never – Is Never Good For You?: My Life In Cartoons.

    In this episode, I talk to Bob Mankoff about the psychology of humor. Looking back at his illustrious career as a cartoonist, Bob talks about his early beginnings and the people he's mentored in the field. He explains the anatomy of a joke and reveals his all-time favorite cartoons. While humans are creative creatures, Bob believes that using AI and technology can further augment our intelligence and humor by opening up worlds of possibilities.

    Website: www.bobmankoff.com/

    Twitter: @BobMankoff

    Topics

    02:14 Bob’s childhood & upbringing

    10:42 Personality of cartoonists and comedians

    19:54 Types of humor

    23:44 The grand scheme of time

    26:28 Augmenting intelligence and creativity

    38:30 Cartoon Bank

    44:24 All-time favorite cartoons

    52:17 Theory of humor

    57:49 Censorship & cancel culture

    01:01:24 Bob Mankoff’s legacy

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    Buddhism and the Impermanence of Life || Joseph Goldstein Oct 09, 2023
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    Today we welcome Joseph Goldstein to the podcast. Joseph is a co-founder and the guiding teacher of the Insight Meditation Society (IMS) along with Jack Kornfield and Sharon Salzberg. He is one of the first American vipassana teachers and has been teaching Buddhist meditation worldwide since 1974. A contemporary author of numerous popular books on Buddhism, his publications include Mindfulness: A Practical Guide to Awakening, One Dharma, Insight Meditation and others.

    In this episode, I talk to Joseph Goldstein about Buddhism and the impermanence of life. Being too attached to the self can bring suffering. However, this doesn’t mean that we need to forego our identities or self-care. Joseph explains that enlightenment can be achieved when the mind is free from clinging. He talks about the different states that can help us realize the insight of impermanence and selflessness. We also touch on the topics of mindfulness, compassion, creativity, and wisdom.

    Website: www.dharma.org/

    Twitter: @onedharma

    Topics

    03:01 Joseph’s background and expertise

    09:31 Enlightenment

    15:11 Balance of mind

    24:15 Noticing per minute

    31:02 Mindfulness and flow

    35:38 Wisdom is insight

    38:00 Creativity

    41:20 Different mind states

    49:51 The tales of Sisyphus and Icarus

    55:29 Skillful means

    58:53 Flow of being

    1:02:04 Unprompted mindfulness

    1:04:42 Equanimity

    1:09:24 Compassion and connection

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    Expand Your Self || Dan Siegel Oct 05, 2023
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    Today we welcome Dan Siegel to the podcast. Dr. Siegel is a clinical professor of psychiatry at the UCLA School of Medicine and the founding co-director of the Mindful Awareness Research Center at UCLA. Dr. Siegel is also the Executive Director of the Mindsight Institute. He’s authored numerous articles, chapters, and books including the New York Times bestsellers Mind: A Journey to the Heart of Being Human and Aware: The Science and Practice of Presence. His latest book is called IntraConnected: MWe (Me + We) as the Integration of Self, Identity, and Belonging.

    In this episode, I talk to Dr. Dan Siegel about expanding the notion of the self. Modern culture has taught us that the self is all about individual identity and personal experiences. But Dr. Siegel posits that who we are is not limited to the brain or body. He argues that the self is not isolated, it’s composed of our relationships to other living beings and to the natural world. This expanded view of the self has important implications for the trajectory of humanity. We also touch on the topics of consciousness, neuroscience, quantum physics, and the flow state.

    Website: drdansiegel.com

    Instagram: @DrDanSiegel

    Topics

    02:20 Me + We

    06:08 Expand your self

    12:58 The self, the mind, and consciousness

    42:15 Integrating all brain networks

    59:43 Different styles of daydreaming

    1:02:08 Wheel of awareness

    1:08:38 We’re IntraConnected

    1:11:21 Widening the window of tolerance

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    Human Flourishing in Education || Nick Holton Sep 28, 2023
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    Today we welcome Nick Holton to the podcast. Nick is an international speaker, consultant, trainer, and coach. His work focuses on helping individuals become better versions of themselves through the application of the cutting-edge science of human flourishing, a synergistic development of both peak performance and overall well-being and fulfillment. He works with individuals, teams, businesses, and organizations ranging from professional athletes, NCAA programs, educational institutions, first responders and Fortune 100 executives. He is co-founder of The Antifragile Academy and he also co-hosts the podcast, FlourishFM which is sponsored by the Human Flourishing Program at Harvard and the Department of Education at Oxford. Nick has worked with clients, given talks, and delivered training across the U.S., Europe, India, Australia, Uganda, Singapore, Mexico, and South America.

    In this episode, I talk to Nick Holton about human flourishing. Our current education system is primarily concerned with teaching academic subjects. While building knowledge is essential, this is not enough to allow students to self-actualize. Nick points out that young people’s need to matter should be addressed as well. To facilitate human flourishing, we need to embed the different principles of positive psychology both inside and outside of the classroom. Nick and I believe that education can transform society for the better, and we exchange ideas on how we can build an ecosystem that fosters holistic development.

    Website: www.nickholton.com

    Twitter: @dr_nickholton

    Topics

    02:23 Nick’s background and expertise

    11:16 Coaching each individual

    13:35 The need for mattering

    21:49 What is human flourishing?

    25:21 Education can transform society

    29:56 Positive education

    38:59 The Shipley School

    42:40 Holistic development

    51:38 FlourishFM

    55:41 Flourishing outside the classroom

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    The New Landscape of Leadership || Jeffrey Hull Sep 21, 2023
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    Today we welcome Jeffrey Hull to the podcast. Jeffrey is a highly sought-after facilitator, keynote speaker and executive coach to both nonprofit and for-profit global organizations.

    He is the Executive Director of the Institute of Coaching, based at McLean Hospital. Jeffrey is also a clinical instructor in psychology at Harvard Medical School and an adjunct professor of leadership at New York University. His latest book is called Flex: The Art and Science of Leadership in a Changing World.

    In this episode, I talk to Jeffrey Hull about the new landscape of leadership. The world is changing, and alpha leadership is not the only way to manage a team. Jeffrey highlights the importance of beta leadership, a style that values emotion and collaboration. According to him, the most effective leaders know which style to lead with, depending on the situation. In addition to learning other ways of being, Jeffrey believes we need to leverage perspectives from the indigenous and neurodiverse communities. We also touch on the topics of emotional intelligence, coaching, creativity, and authenticity.

    Website: www.jeffreyhull.com

    Twitter: @JeffreyHullPhD


    Topics

    02:18 The beta boss

    09:07 Inclusivity in all ways

    12:50 Flexible communication

    18:29 Emotional intelligence and vulnerability

    25:48 Physical energy of being

    28:27 Engagement: productivity or creativity

    30:35 Collaboration occurs in safe spaces

    33:01 Self-coaching

    37:49 The future of coaching

    43:46 We all have unique gifts

    46:40 Dialogue, not disagreement

    49:08 Age of convergence

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    Build the Life You Want || Arthur Brooks Sep 14, 2023
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    Today we welcome back Arthur Brooks to the podcast. ​​Arthur is the Parker Gilbert Montgomery Professor of the Practice of Public and Nonprofit Leadership at the Harvard Kennedy School, and Professor of Management Practice at the Harvard Business School. He is also a columnist at The Atlantic, where he writes the popular weekly “How to Build a Life” column. A world-renowned speaker, he talks about human happiness, and works to raise well-being within private companies, universities, public agencies, and community organizations. His latest book, which he co-authored with Oprah Winfrey, is called Build the Life You Want: The Art and Science of Getting Happier.

    In this episode, I talk to Arthur Brooks about building the life you want. People often think that happiness is a static end goal. But in reality, life will always have its ups and downs. According to Arthur, we can make choices that can improve our well-being despite the presence of challenges. He talks about how to find satisfaction through family, friends, meaningful work, and faith. Arthur also shares actionable steps around managing emotions and habits that can help us create a better life. We also touch on the topics of neuroscience, transcendence, evolutionary psychology, and love.

    Website: arthurbrooks.com

    Twitter: @arthurbrooks

    Topics

    02:50 Build the Life You Want

    03:55 Writing the book with Oprah

    10:14 Extremes are unhealthy

    15:35 Unhappiness is not your enemy

    17:38 Faith and transcendental experiences

    21:22 Look for real friends, not deal friends

    25:09 Work is love made visible

    27:27 Love your enemies

    37:28 Conflict is not hatred

    39:59 Patterns of happiness vs individual variation

    44:04 Family as a source of growth

    47:36 The Positive and Negative Affect Schedule (PANAS)

    49:07 Emotional substitution

    51:13 Overcoming the negativity bias

    55:40 Keep it simple

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    Spotting Creative Potential || Troy Carter Sep 07, 2023
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    Today we welcome Troy Carter to the podcast. Troy is the co-founder and CEO of Venice Music, a technology and media company focused on powering the business of music via distribution, services, and data analytics. Formerly, Troy was the founder and CEO of Atom Factory, where he rose to prominence, nurturing the careers of global superstars including Lady Gaga and John Legend. He most recently served at Spotify as its Global Head of Creator Services, overseeing the company's growth strategy for artists and record labels.

    In this episode, I talk to Troy Carter about spotting creative potential. Working in the entertainment industry has given Troy an eye for talent, but that’s not all it takes to become successful. Hard work, determination, and letting your personality shine through are also key components. Troy and I talk about musical geniuses and the future of the music industry with the advent of sophisticated AI tools.

    Website: www.venicemusic.co/

    Twitter: @justcallmetroy

    Topics

    02:21 The golden age of hip hop

    06:50 Spotting creative potential

    13:26 East coast VS West coast hip hop

    19:16 Discovering Lady Gaga

    26:35 Be willing to bet on yourself

    29:50 Musical geniuses

    36:00 The creative process

    41:59 How AI is changing music

    49:36 Discovering new artists

    53:19 Helping independent labels

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    Find the Potential in Change || Maya Shankar Aug 31, 2023
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    Today we welcome Maya Shankar to the podcast. Maya is a cognitive scientist and the creator and host of the podcast, “A Slight Change of Plans”. It was awarded as the Best Show of 2021 by Apple and received an Ambie award from the Podcast Academy in 2022. Maya has a postdoctoral fellowship in cognitive neuroscience from Stanford and a Ph.D. in cognitive psychology from Oxford. She's a graduate of the Juilliard School of Music's pre-college program, where she was a private violin student of Itzhak Perlman.

    In this episode, I talk to Maya Shankar about change. Humans have a desire to attach roles to identities. But when events disrupt that, we may feel unsure of who we are. Having gone through huge shifts herself, Maya shares with us ways in which we can reconfigure our identities and pivot to pursue our goals in different ways. Change can be disorienting, but it affords us a deeper understanding of ourselves. Maya also believes it’s also an opportunity to re-examine our long held beliefs and values. We also touch on the topics of cognitive science, mindfulness, awe, and hope.

    Website: mayashankar.com

    Twitter: @MayaUmaShankar

    Topics

    02:43 Maya as a violinist

    06:00 Identity paralysis

    13:02 Reconfiguring identity

    18:08 A blind cook becomes a master chef

    21:10 Post ecstatic growth

    24:07 It’s okay to change values

    28:38 Mindfulness and awe

    34:15 Re-examining our values

    38:29 Embracing a flexible mindset

    40:49 Cognitive closure

    44:51 Maya’s Slight Change of Plans

    48:31 Pivot your goals

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    Finding Spiritual Peace through Mindful CBT || Seth Gillihan Aug 24, 2023
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    Today we welcome Seth Gillihan to the podcast. Seth is a licensed psychologist who specializes in mindful cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT). He received his doctorate in psychology from the University of Pennsylvania. Seth is also a therapy advisor with the self-therapy app Bloom, a medical reviewer for Everyday Health, and host of the Think Act Be podcast. Over the years, he’s authored multiple books on mindfulness and CBT. His latest book is called Mindful Cognitive Behavioral Therapy: A Simple Path to Healing, Hope, and Peace.

    In this episode, I talk to Seth Gillihan about mindful CBT. Cognitive behavioral therapy is often used to address mental health issues. Although proven to be helpful, Seth Gillihan believes that adding the component of mindfulness will not only improve our well-being, but can also help us find meaning, purpose, and peace. He shares with us the Think Act Be paradigm and ways we can be more in tune with ourselves. We also touch on the topics of alignment, spirituality, suffering, and openness to experience.

    Website: https://sethgillihan.com/

    Instagram: @sethjgillihan

    Topics

    02:30 Mindful Cognitive Behavioral Therapy

    11:11 Finding spiritual peace

    17:17 Think Act Be paradigm

    21:56 Connect with yourself

    28:06 Saying yes to life

    34:59 Work in alignment

    40:53 Alignment practice

    44:50 Coming home to yourself

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    Find Freedom from Regret || Roberty Leahy Aug 17, 2023
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    Today we welcome Dr. Robert L. Leahy, the Director of The American Institute for Cognitive Therapy NYC and clinical professor of psychology in psychiatry at Weill-Cornell University Medical School. Dr. Leahy serves on a number of scientific committees for international conferences on cognitive behavioral therapy and is a frequent keynote speaker throughout the world. He has authored 27 books about CBT, depression, worry, anxiety, and emotion regulation, which have been translated in 20 languages. His latest book is called If Only...: Finding Freedom from Regret.

    In this episode, I talked to Dr. Robert Leahy about finding freedom from regret. Regret is an unpleasant emotion that can motivate us to learn and grow, but there are times when it can keep us frozen in place. According to Dr. Leahy, this is why it’s important to make a distinction between productive and unproductive rumination. He shares the cognitive biases we have about loss and opportunity as well as strategies on how to let go of regret when it no longer serves us.

    Website: cognitivetherapynyc.com

    LinkedIn: Robert Leahy

    Topics

    02:12 Why do we feel regret?

    07:30 Regret is tied to expectations

    12:57 Affective forecasting, coping, resilience

    18:31 Existential perfectionism

    20:45 The free lunch myth

    24:19 Inaction inertia

    26:58 Hindsight bias

    28:32 Adaptive humility

    32:39 Letting go of regret

    36:36 The boredom technique

    40:01 Productive guilt

    43:45 The 8 habits of highly regretful people

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