The Presumption

#039 –Chris Cuomo EXCLUSIVE (Part 2): Serial Killers, Menendez Bros., Natalie Holloway & More! Jun 14, 2024

In this continued conversation, Sara and Jim are up close and personal with Chris Cuomo who shares about his vast coverage of the Natalie Holloway murder and Van her Sloot; serial killers including Rifkin; and the Menendez Brothers: did Chris change his mind about their defense or have the times changed? Chris dives deep into how the media chooses headline stories and the coverage of minority vs majority problems: why does Chris focus on a story about addiction that involves white vs black subjects? The hosts and Chris talk about Chris’ departure from CNN and his decision to join News Nation. And as it turns out Sara has a crush on Matt Lauer and doesn’t make the cut “bougie” fishing with Chris or Jim. Fun facts and good times with the Mo Man on this episode.
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#038–Chris Cuomo EXCLUSIVE (Part 1): Headline Crime, Mental Illness, & Literally Everything! Jun 05, 2024

Sara and Jim sit with veteran journalist, Chris Cuomo. Chris shares his vast experience covering crime stories over decades. He explains the fascination with crime, including with Murdaugh and the Gilgo killer, the need for transparency, the presumption in the court of law and public opinion, and so much more. Sara presses Chris on whether he really looks at the accused from the lens of presumption vs guilt, and Chris of course returns the favor. Sara and Chris talk about their friendship, personal struggles and mental illness, and Chris' dog, Eliza who deserves forgiveness. The conversation gets interesting! More with the Mo Man next week!
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#037-Bakari Sellers on Police Brutality and Use of Force, Mica Miller & O.J. Simpson May 27, 2024

This week Sara and Jim chat with lawyer, author, and political analyst Bakari Sellers. They dive into Bakari's high profile police brutality case, the case of Ricky Cobb, a Minnesota man who was unjustifiably shot to death by a state trooper. The hosts and Sellers take a close look at what the O.J. Simpson case would look like it if it was tried today, and overall how race plays in justice. The episode wraps with a discussion of the Mica Miller case in S. Carolina where Sellers and Jim practice law: was it really suicide?This week Sara and Jim chat with lawyer, author, and political analyst Bakari Sellers. They dive into Bakari's high profile police brutality case, the case of Ricky Cobb, a Minnesota man who was unjustifiably shot to death by a state trooper. The hosts and Sellers take a close look at what the O.J. Simpson case would look like it if it was tried today, and overall how race plays in justice. The episode wraps with a discussion of the Mica Miller case in S. Carolina where Sellers and Jim practice law: was it really suicide?

#036-Dean Masserman on the State of Life, Choice, & IVF in America May 09, 2024

Sara and Jim sit with reproductive law guru Dean Masserman this week. Dean unpacks the latest IVF decision by the Alabama Supreme Court. The decision comes with a price which the hosts discuss at length with Dean. Should the rest of the country be worried? How do we balance unnecessary destruction of genetic tissue with the need for efficacy in a field that has helped millions of Americans have children? Decisions to restrict availability of IVF will impact traditional families, modern families, and all Americans irrespective of gender, race or age. Sara, Jim and Dean then take a deep dive into the state of abortion post overturning of Roe v. Wade. Should abortion rights be federalized? Jim then shares his experience representing doctors and hospitals in connection with legal exposure for performing abortions in his state. The episode ends with an interesting discussion about the role pro-life, pro-choice, and IVF issues will play in the upcoming elections.

#035 – Will Folks on All the Things, Including Murdaugh Mar 26, 2024

On this week's show Sara and Jim sit with Will Folks. The irreverant founder and editor of Fits News shares about how the news operation started, his one too many kids, and his journey of sobriety. Up close and personal, talks openly about his relationship with newsmaker and politician Nikki Haley. Will also shares about his coverage of corruption S. Carolina, the Murdaugh case, and life after Murdaugh. Sara, Jim and Will then take a deep dive into the case against Susan Smith and whether she deserves early parole. Does the woman Sara refers to as “Horny Susan” and a “sex machine” deserve freedom? What says Will? The hosts and Will then examine the Michigan cases against the Crumbley parents leading to guilty verdicts for the actions of their son who shot up his high school after a history of mental health struggles that went neglected by the Crumbleys. Jim shares an interesting story about S. Carolina prisons for women, and Sara wraps the show by asking Will who he’d hire if he got into trouble.
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#034 Pat Harris EXCLUSIVE: New Evidence May Lead to New Trial for Scott Peterson Mar 13, 2024

Pat Harris, Scott Peterson’s attorney, sits down with Sara for an exclusive interview about shocking new evidence regarding the disappearance and murder of his wife Laci Peterson and son Connor, as well as Scott Peterson’s road to a possible new trial. Sara and Pat talk at length about the extensive defense investigation over the past two decades, and the Los Angeles Innocence Project’s recent motion dump. They also discuss the media firestorm that seems to follow the Scott Peterson case, prosecutorial misconduct, and the blatant and intentional withholding of evidence from the defense. Later, Pat shares about the case of Will Lynch, a vigilante who nearly killed a priest he accused of child abuse, as well as his experience defending Chris Brown. Before the conversation wraps, Sara grills Pat on his relationship with Susan McDougal: sex with a client, or was it a pre-existing relationship?
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#033 – Elizabeth Kelley on Representing People with Mental Illness and Disabilities, & Addiction Feb 27, 2024

Elizabeth Kelley joins the show this week sharing her expertise representing people struggling with mental illnesses or mental disabilities. Elizabeth, Sara and Jim begin the show by discussing the difference between these two, “illness” and “disability”, and how those afflicted are treated in the criminal justice system. They also discuss more specifically about individuals on the autism spectrum and the misunderstandings of this diagnosis that are prevalent throughout the country and justice systems state by state. Later they talk about dementia, not guilty by reason of insanity defense, and how to best persuade judges and prosecutors that drug addiction is a symptom of mental illness and self-medication, and neither an excuse nor voluntary. Before wrapping, Sara and Jim ask Elizabeth about cases involving brain injuries, lack of suitable treatment and conditions in jails and prisons for the mentally ill, and how courts across the nation are educating themselves on this forgotten disease within the criminal justice system.
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#032 – Theories, Conspiracies, and Mysterious Circumstances Surrounding James Brown’s Death Feb 06, 2024

This week, criminal trial attorneys Sara Azari and Jim Griffin break down the conspiracy theories surrounding the death of legend and godfather of soul, James Brown. They also discuss the mysterious death of Brown’s son-in-law, and whether or not the two deaths are linked. Jim shares his experience representing two of Brown’s biological daughters in the ongoing litigation surrounding his estate. For more on this fascinating story, tune into the latest episode of Sara’s show ‘Death By Fame’, premiering February 12th on Investigation Discovery.
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#031 - Savannah Chrisley (Part 2): Advocacy for Prison Conditions, and the Pursuit of Criminal Justice Jan 30, 2024

Jim and Sara continue their conversation with justice warrior, Savannah Chrisley. This week, the conversation is focused on the deplorable prison conditions that are impacting prisoners and families all across the nation, including Savannah’s father, Todd. They challenge prison policies that muzzle inmates and violate the 1st amendment. They also discuss the many double standards that are in place when it comes to defending a person accused of a crime, and how to fight against the perceived notion of ‘white privilege’. In closing, Sara asks Savannah about the role of faith in her new reality, the meaning of ‘pro-life’, and her thoughts on a possible pardon from former President Trump, should he get re-elected.
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#030 - Savannah Chrisley (Part 1): The Fraud Case Against Todd and Julie Chrisley Jan 24, 2024

Savannah Chrisley has been advocating for criminal justice after her parents, Todd and Julie Chrisley, were convicted of multiple counts of fraud in 2022. Today she joins Sara and Jim for a conversation about the way her family was treated in both the media and at trial, and how it led to a violation of not only their presumption of innocence, but multiple other constitutional rights. She says they were the target of celebrity injustice. Savannah makes her case about her parent’s wrongful conviction, the unfair punishment they both received as a result, and their pending appeal. Savannah will return next week to continue the conversation!
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#029 – The Constitutionality of Forensic Genetic Genealogy with Professor Natalie Ram Jan 18, 2024

Today’s guest Prof. Natalie Ram specializes in examining the intersection between the advancements in forensic genealogy, and its role in the criminal justice system. For 15 years, Prof. Ram has made a case that forensic genetic genealogy raises constitutional and ethical concerns, including 4th amendment violations, based on the lack of voluntariness in genetic relatedness. More specifically, Sara and Jim ask about the protocols (and oversights) that are involved with determining the perpetrator of a crime based on their genetic relationships. They take a deep dive into how the courts and law enforcement are defining the word ‘voluntary’, and also question what aspects of the 4th Amendment are regularly being violated. Later in the podcast they break down two significant cases that Prof. Ram relies on: Carpenter vs US, and State of Maryland vs Andrews. The show wraps with a focus on a burdensome benefit: the role of IGG in exonerating the wrongfully convicted.
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#028 – Jan 6th Trump Mock Trial, Crisis Management, and Defending Gov. Cuomo + Sen. Franken, w/ Lanny Davis Jan 09, 2024

Sara and Jim are excited to release their first new podcast of 2024. The hosts welcome lawyer, crisis manager, and political consultant Lanny Davis to the show, and discuss the recent mock trial that Sara and Lanny participated in. They also highlight the importance of the presumption of innocence, and how innuendos in journalism and media create a presumption of guilt instead. The hosts ask Lanny about his recommended come-back strategy for Gov. Andrew Cuomo, as well as his adversarial relationship with ‘cancelled’ Senator Al Franken.
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#027 – Hip Hop’s 50th Birthday, plus the Murders of Tupac & Jam Master Jay with Naima Cochrane Dec 19, 2023

In honor of Hip Hop’s 50th birthday, Sara and Jim are joined by music industry veteran and leading voice in Black music and culture, Naima Cochrane. Naima, Sara and Jim discuss the recent headline-making developments in two unsolved murder cases that have shaken the Hip Hop world for decades: Tupac Shakur and Jam Master Jay. As always, the hosts present an insider’s look at some of the evidence that may be considered, and the unreliability of anticipated eyewitness testimony regarding events that happened many years in the past. Along the way, they also break down the origins of the East Coast vs. West Coast rap feud of the 90s, the impact of MTV, and the state of Hip Hop music in 2023. The Presumption will return in January 2024, have a safe and happy holiday season!
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#026 – The Truth About Lie Detectors, with Polygraph Expert Johnny Hartley Dec 12, 2023

This week Sara and Jim sit down with polygraph examiner Johnny Hartley to learn everything you could possibly ever want to know about the science of lie detection. Johnny speaks at length about just how different the reality of being testing via polygraph is to how the process seems on TV and in movies. He also answers questions about admissibility in court, the history and advancements of the technology, and dispelling the myth that you can somehow cheat the system. As the show wraps up, Johnny talks about going through life as a human lie detector.
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#025 – Jim Griffin Episode w/ Hope Griffin. Plus Treasure Hunters, a Sting Operation, & Cat Justice Dec 05, 2023

Jim is in the guest seat this week to discuss some of the wildest cases he’s defended over the years. Helping to share some behind the scenes stories is surprise co-host, and Jim’s daughter, Hope Griffin. The group dives into the controversies surrounding a drug detection device called the ‘Quadro Tracker’, and why bringing home a present for your daughter can help you win the case. They also discuss Jim’s early appearances on Court TV, relating to a bizarre case involving the death of a cat killer. Later they break down a reverse sting operation involving sex workers and blackmailers. And in the final part of the show, Hope recalls her favorite summer working at her dad’s office, answering prank phone calls from Dick Harpootlian, and more!
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#024 – Bryan Kohberger’s Phone 'Off'? Plus Digital Forensics, and Kirby Smith Trial w/ Jim Persinger Nov 21, 2023

First up- some important announcements, and an expression of our gratitude! Sara and Jimmy G. then welcome forensic cell data expert, Jim Persinger to the podcast to discuss his extensive training and background in the constantly changing field of digital and cell phone technology. They talk with him about phone and cell tower analysis software, as well as some of the common misconceptions and mistakes that can be made in the collection and preservation of cell phones and digital data during an investigation. As the conversation wraps up, the trio dig into the Bryan Kohberger and Alex Murdaugh cases in terms of the investigative flaws and plausible explanations related to cell and digital data in each. They close the interview with Jim’s work as an expert in the 2004 Kirby Smith murder case.
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#023 – Dick Harpootlian on the Murdaugh Jury, The Clintons, and Convicted Killer Pee Wee Gaskins Nov 14, 2023

South Carolina State Senator, and Jim’s co-counsel on many cases, Dick Harpootlian makes his debut appearance on the podcast. Sara chats with Dick and Jim about the history of their working relationship as well as their decades long friendship. Jim and Dick share some BTS moments that may have landed one of them in a hot tub! They share the latest in the Alex Murdaugh cases, and the overall twists and turns in the high profile case with Sara. Dick also explains how he got under President Clinton’s skin during the Obama Clinton primary in SC, and how this may have changed the trajectory of the race. The episode closes with Dick’s deep dive into the twisted story of Pee Wee Gaskins, and how the convicted killer threatened his family.
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#022 – Jerome Buting on Steven Avery, Jail and Bail, and Prosecutorial Misconduct Nov 07, 2023

Sara and Jim welcome high profile trial attorney Jerome Buting to talk about defending a case with pre-trial publicity. They discuss Jerome’s defense of Steven Avery, the flaws in the criminal justice system, as well as the lasting impact of the docuseries ‘Making a Murderer’. Later, Sara and Jim offer a couple of parallels to what Jim has experienced during and after the Alex Murdaugh murder trial. The episode ends with Jerome’s thoughts on our ‘jail and bail’ system.
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#021 – DNA in Exonerations, Brian Banks’ Freedom, & What’s Up with IGG with Justin Brooks Oct 31, 2023

Justin Brooks is a professor, attorney, and former Founding Director of the California Innocence Project. Sara and Jim speak with him about his incredible work handling wrongful convictions and freeing innocent people from prison. Justin also discusses his new book, ‘Why You Might Go To Prison Even Though You’re Innocent’, as well as what lead him to take on these very important cases post-conviction. Sara and Jim also ask Justin about his work on the case of the wrongfully convicted football player, Brian Banks, and how Brian ultimately regained his well-deserved freedom. The conversation wraps with stories of Justin’s time teaching criminal justice in Latin America.
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#020 – Thomas Mesereau on Defending Michael Jackson and Bill Cosby, plus Defendants Taking the Stand Oct 24, 2023

Trial guru Thomas Mesereau joins Sara and Jim at the top of the show. The trio of trial lawyers discuss his incredible accomplishments in the courtroom, as well as his relationship with media. They also discuss his defense of Michael Jackson, Bill Cosby, and more. As the show wraps up, Thomas discusses his life-changing pro bono work in the deep south, and why he thinks all defense lawyers should assume at jump that their client is going to take the stand and testify.
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#019 – Joe McCulloch on Prosecutorial Misconduct, DUI 101, and the Murdaugh Case Oct 17, 2023

Sara and Jim open today’s show with a conversation about a Murdaugh juror who was excused because of a non-existent Facebook post. They are later joined by attorney and friend Joe McCulloch, who was noticeably front and center throughout the Murdaugh trial. They discuss the intersection of a Defendant’s right to a fair trial and the press’ 1st Amendment rights in the context of a disturbing South Carolina case where a prosecutor and investigators secretly recorded a defendant’s privileged conversation with his attorney after allegedly failing a polygraph. The recording was later leaked to the media. Joe obtained a ruling from the SC Supreme Court prohibiting the media from publishing the recording. Joe also provides valuable tips on DUI stops and their defense. In the last part of the podcast, Sara and Jim discuss with Joe his representation of jurors in the Murdaugh case, as well as his in-the-works screenplay about that trial.
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#018 – Live from CrimeCon: “Did He Do It? Can They Prove It?” Defending Bryan Kohberger Oct 10, 2023

Recorded before a live audience at CrimeCon 2023 in Orlando, Sara and Jim discuss the top issues surrounding the defense of alleged murderer Bryan Kohberger, ranging from the biggest holes in the case, to the realities of DNA evidence, Kohberger’s bushy eyebrows, and beyond. They are also joined by a different Brian… Brian Entin, Senior National Correspondent and crime expert at News Nation. Brian engages the hosts with an audience-based Q&A, sprinkling in a few of his own questions.
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#017 – Becky Hill's Ethics + Federal Fentanyl Prosecution w/ DOJ Chief of Criminal Div. Mack Jenkins Oct 03, 2023

To begin this week’s podcast, Jim and Sara review the letter that the South Carolina Ethics Commission sent to Clerk Becky Hill in response to her request for ethics guidance on writing a book about the trial process. Sara then welcomes Chief of Criminal Division for the U.S. Attorney’s Office (Central District of California), Mack Jenkins to discuss the DOJ’s ‘War on Fentanyl’. They also chat about their friendly rivalry as the prosecution vs. the defense, and go on to talk about why federal law treats both addicts and drug dealers in the same manner. Later, Sara and Mack discuss how task forces work, drug distribution vs. transaction, and how the government is dealing with the country’s—and perhaps global—fentanyl crisis.
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#016 – Behind the Scenes of Criminal Defense, and Dick Harpootlian’s Advice to Murdaugh Jurors Sep 26, 2023

Sara and Jim continue their conversation about the state’s response to alleged jury tampering by Clerk Becky Hill during the recent trial of Alex Murdaugh. They react to Dick Harpootlian’s advice for jurors to seek legal representation, focusing on the importance of having legal representation even for a potential witness. Later in the show, producer Matt Fondiler takes the reigns for a Q&A to Sara and Jim about what goes on behind the scenes of criminal defense. They tackle a wide range of topics including client management, dealing with the media, and the truth about polygraphs.
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#015 – AG’s Response to Murdaugh Jury Tampering Motion, plus Fentanyl Prosecutions with Dave Aronberg Sep 19, 2023

Sara and Jim start off by discussing the AG’s response to the defense’s recent motion for a new trial for Alex Murdaugh based on allegations of jury tampering by Clerk Becky Hill. They analyze the state’s technical argument, and also discuss the laws being used to support their position. Really? Murdaugh has to submit a declaration? Following the break, ‘The Presumption’ continues its look into the country’s fentanyl epidemic by chatting with Dave Aronberg, State Attorney for Palm Beach County who tells Sara and Jim about how Florida prosecutes fentanyl related crimes on a local level, his efforts to legalize fentanyl test strips, as well as the corruption and greed hiding within the system of rehabilitation.
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#014 – The ACLU’s Peter Eliasberg on Deplorable Prison Conditions and Re-Thinking the American Jail System Sep 12, 2023

Sara and Jim sit down with Peter Eliasberg of the ACLU. The conversation begins with a discussion about the nefarious conditions within the Los Angeles County jail system. They expose the flaws of running prisons for profits, and explore alleviating some of the burden by diverting detainees with mental illness into community facilities for care. Jim also asks Peter about how the ACLU is helping to reform our broken system, Sara breaks down the differences between ‘prison’ and ‘jail’, and Peter talks about the misconceptions of ‘bail’. As the conversation wraps, Peter talks about how differently things would be run if we could redo the entire American jail system.
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#013 – The Tampering of the Alex Murdaugh Jury Sep 05, 2023

Immediately following today’s press conference regarding the trial of Alex Murdaugh, Sara and Jim unpack the bombshell revelations that Clerk of the Court Becky Hill allegedly influenced multiple jurors. They get to the heart of why the media is once again to blame for perverting justice, and why it’s so important for jurors to remain impartial. Before signing off, Jim thanks his co-counsel Dick Harpootlian, and he tells Sara about what’s expected in the case following these jaw-dropping revelations.
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#012 – Mo’Kelly on Britney Spears and Celebrity Justice; plus more #Kohberger Updates Aug 29, 2023

This week, Sara and Jim break down the latest #BryanKohberger hearing and discuss why it’s so important for the defense to have access to, and challenge, the actual investigation. They are then joined by radio host and media analyst Mo’Kelly. The conversation kicks off with an analysis of Britney Spears’ ongoing legal woes and claims. They also talk about the concept of ‘Celebrity Justice’ vs ‘Injustice’ in cases ranging from Bill Cosby to Robert Kraft to Dana White. Mo explains with great clarity on how the worlds of politics, pop culture, entertainment have collided, and why it’s bad news for everyone. Art – Simon & Associates
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#011 – Author Sam Quinones on Fentanyl and America’s Opioid Crisis, plus Bryan Kohberger IGG Updates Aug 22, 2023

Sara and Jim begin today’s podcast with a breakdown of the latest developments in the Bryan Kohberger case, including the prosecution continuing to keep their latest IGG findings a secret and Kohberger’s alibi. From there, The Presumption begins its first exploration of the country’s current opioid crisis by sitting down with author and journalist Sam Quinones. Sam dives into the issues surrounding the global proliferation of Fentanyl; whether it’s coming illegally from across the border, or being overlooked by the greedy pharmaceutical industry. Together, they analyze the impact this dangerous drug is having on both habitual drug abusers, as well as ordinary citizens unaware of what drugs they’re really consuming. Art – Simon & Associates Music – Caleb Fletcher

#010 – Actor Edward Furlong on Addiction, Sobriety, and his Iconic Filmography Aug 15, 2023

Actor Edward Furlong joins Sara, Jim, and Matt right at the top of the show. They talk about Eddie’s incredible debut performance as a child actor opposite Arnold Schwarzenegger in Terminator 2, as well as some of the other legendary talents he’s worked with. They also chat about his spiral into addiction, his last run-in with the law, how Sara diverted away from a prison sentence and into treatment, and cleaning up the wreckage of his past. Eddie talks openly about overcoming some of his personal struggles, and the podcast wraps with a conversation about the country’s current fentanyl crisis.
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#009 – BTK Killer’s Daughter Kerri Rawson. Plus- Lori Vallow Sentenced to LWOP Aug 08, 2023

Sara and Jim break down the sentencing of Doomsday Cult Mom Lori Vallow. Later they’re joined by Kerri Rawson, daughter of the BTK Killer, to discuss how she’s come to terms with her father’s horrifying crime spree, learning how to forgive, and advocacy for other crime family victims. As the show wraps up, they all share their thoughts on the perceived similarities between the BTK Killer, Bryan Kohberger, and the Long Island Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann. Art – Simon & Associates
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#008 – Hunter Biden’s Plea & Sementilli Murder. Plus- Dr. Jeff Whiting on Mental Illness & Addiction Aug 01, 2023

Today’s show begins with a breakdown of why Hunter Biden’s plea deal fell apart. Sara and Jim also react to the high-profile murder of Wella mogul Fabio Sementilli, whose killer pled guilty to LWOP instead of going to trial. Later- Sara and Jim are joined by Dr. Jeff Whiting for an in-depth discussion about mental illness and addiction in the criminal justice system. Art – Simon & Associates
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#007 – Bryan Kohberger is NOT Rex Heuermann. Plus, a ‘Look Back’ at #MeToo with Jennifer Bonjean Jul 25, 2023

This week, Sara and Jim give a Crime Time update on the latest in the #BryanKohberger case, including hyperbolic claims of ‘planted’ DNA evidence, whether he has an alibi, and the exercise of his speedy trial right. They also dismantle the notion that Kohberger is in any way comparable to the LISK Rex Heuermann case. Later, the hosts welcome attorney Jennifer Bonjean to talk about the latest claims against Bill Cosby under recently passed ‘look back window’ laws. They also discuss the #MeToo racket, and the ridiculousness of claims that Bryan Kohberger’s public defender and defense is costing too much in taxpayer money. Art – Simon & Associates
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#006 – Murdaugh Phone Calls LEAKED! Plus Bryan Kohberger Jury Selection Tactics with Richard Gabriel Jul 18, 2023

Hello? A prison call between Buster and Alex Murdaugh is leaked and mischaracterized by media. Sara and Jim have the inside scoop and share some breaking news. Sara shares about a DA who had spied on her call with a client. Later, high profile trial and jury consultant Richard Gabriel joins the show to share his thoughts on jury selection in the #BryanKohberger case. He shares his experience on the Casey Anthony and O.J. Simpson cases. And Jim and Matt avail themselves of a free consultation. Art – Simon & Associates
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#005 – Idaho4 Galore: The Latest in the #BryanKohberger case; and Death Penalty 101 with Mark O’Mara Jul 11, 2023

Today’s episode focuses entirely on the case against #BryanKohberger. Sara and Jim unpack a wide range of legal issues from unreliability of certain types of evidence, and the defense’s game plan as it appears from the filings. Following the hosts’ shout out to our nation’s most hard-working lawyers, public defenders, George Zimmerman attorney Mark O’Mara sits down with Sara and Jim to talk about the death penalty and what it means in the Kohberger case. O’Mara has tried a dozen death penalty cases with nobody on the row! We kept him on long enough to answer the age-old question we’re asked daily: how can you sleep at night defending a criminal?!
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#004 - United States v. Donald J. Trump: Spy or Why, with National Security Attorney Mark Zaid Jul 04, 2023

In honor of America’s birthday, this week we’re diving into legal woes on both sides of the aisle. First, Sara and Jim discuss Hunter Biden’s plea to misdemeanor tax charges and diversion for a gun charge. Is he receiving special treatment as the president’s son? Later, National Security Attorney Mark Zaid joins Sara and Jim to unpack US v. Donald J Trump, charges against the former president for mishandling classified documents. Real crime or nothing burger? What is Trump’s sentencing exposure? Art – Simon & Associates
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#003 - The Genealogy of Bryan Kohberger, with CeCe Moore Jun 27, 2023

It’s the case everyone is talking about: Idaho v. Bryan Kohberger, in which the defendant is accused of the stabbing murder of four Idaho students. While the defense has been silenced, Sara and Jim take a deep dive into the world of Investigative Genetic Genealogy (IGG), and its admissibility in court. Specifically, the hosts unpack the prosecution’s motion for a protective order seeking to suppress discovery of the materials related to IGG, the lynchpin to the case, and what generated the tip that identified Kohberger as the sole suspect. Later they are joined by IGG expert, a.k.a. ‘The Genetic Detective’ CeCe Moore, for an even more detailed discussion about this new science and investigative tool, as well as the alarming methods being used to collect genetic information. Art – Simon & Associates
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#002 - Vallow, Masterson, and the Impact of Faith & Religion on the Presumption, with Father Edward Beck Jun 20, 2023

Sara and Jim begin this week's episode discussing the Kouri Richins detention hearing in a brand new segment called 'Crime Time'. Later, they welcome Father Edward Beck to the podcast to dive into the role of religion in the recent trials of Lori Vallow and Danny Masterson. Father Beck, Sara and Jim discuss how a jury can be impacted by religious beliefs, as well as how the Catholic Church responds to criminal accusations. Father Beck also discusses the priest privilege and shares a bombshell confession. Art – Simon & Associates Music – Caleb Fletcher

#001 - Welcome to The Presumption Jun 13, 2023

Veteran criminal defense attorneys Sara Azari and Jim Griffin chat one-on-one about their background and experience. The hosts highlight how 'the presumption of innocence' has become 'the assumption of guilt' in media and the court of public opinion. Diving into the 'forgotten disease', Sara and Jim also take a close look at addiction and mental illness in mitigation of culpability. They also break down critical moments from the Alex Murdaugh trial, and discuss how the media coverage impacted the verdict. Art – Simon & Associates
Music – Caleb Fletcher

The Presumption Trailer Jun 01, 2023

Finally, a crime podcast unlike any other! High profile criminal defense attorney and media personality Sara Azari, and acclaimed criminal trial lawyer Jim Griffin, present 'The Presumption'. Subscribe now, and get ready for episodes beginning June 13th. Art – Simon & Associates
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