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Ritual, Renewal, and the Spirit: The Transforming Power of the Sacraments with Derek Vreeland (Part 2) S6E52 Feb 17, 2025

What happens when the sacramental, the charismatic, and the evangelical converge?

In this episode, Tara and Mark continue their conversation with Derek Vreeland, diving into how these seemingly distinct streams of faith are coming together in a new movement of worship and discipleship.

Derek shares why weekly communion, historic prayers, and Spirit-led worship are forming his church in deep and lasting ways. Plus, they explore how the sacraments can tether us to faith in seasons of doubt, and why pastors need to embrace both mystery and tradition in leading their people.

🎙️ In This Episode:

The rise of sacramental-charismatic worship—and why it matters.
How weekly communion can shape both individuals and entire congregations.
The power of liturgical prayers to sustain faith in dark seasons.
How pastors can lead through doubt, weariness, and the dark night of the soul.

📌 Highlights:

[00:07:00] The convergence of sacrament, scripture, and Spirit in today’s church.
[00:12:00] Why taking communion weekly never becomes “rote” or routine.
[00:18:00] How the Eucharist and liturgy sustain believers in crisis.
[00:25:00] When you can’t pray—let the church pray for you.
[00:27:00] Why memorized prayers (like the Jesus Prayer) are lifelines in spiritual deserts.

💡 Takeaway:

Derek reminds us that faith is communal, not just personal. Whether through communion, liturgy, or intercessory prayer, the body of Christ carries us in seasons of doubt and darkness—so we don’t have to walk alone.

📖 Next Week:

How do pastors lead when they are the ones going through the dark night of the soul? We’ll explore that and more in our next episode.

Embracing Mystery and Sacramental Transformation with Derek Vreeland (Part 1) Feb 10, 2025

What if following Jesus meant rethinking everything you were taught—without ever walking away?

In this episode, Rev. Tara Beth Leach and Dr. Mark Quanstrom sit down with Derek Vreeland, discipleship pastor at Word of Life Church in St. Joseph, Missouri. Derek shares his journey from a Southern Baptist upbringing to the charismatic movement and, eventually, a sacramental, ecumenical faith—all while remaining deeply rooted in the Church.

🎙️ In This Episode:

The pivotal moment as a teenager when Derek first encountered Jesus.
How studying scripture led him away from rigid formulas and into the mystery of faith.
Why he never felt the need to "deconstruct"—but still experienced profound transformation.
How pastors can lead faithfully through personal seasons of doubt and transition.

📌 Highlights:

[00:03:00] A Friday night youth group event that changed everything.
[00:07:00] From Baptist to charismatic—how scripture challenged his assumptions.
[00:13:00] "Don’t do what I did—but it worked!" The unexpected ways God speaks.
[00:19:00] Does every Christian need a “deconstruction” story? Or is there another way?
[00:26:00] Navigating the dark night of the soul without losing your faith.

💡 Takeaway:

Not every faith journey requires tearing everything down. Derek’s story reminds us that spiritual growth can be a slow, steady process of transformation, where God leads us deeper into trust, mystery, and love for the Church.

📖 Next Week:

How do pastors lead through the dark night of the soul—for themselves and their congregations? Join us next week as we dive into this question with Derek.

From Donuts to Discipleship: Laura Tarro on Church Planting and Trusting God (Part 2) Feb 03, 2025

What if success in ministry isn’t about speed, numbers, or strategy—but about trusting God’s timing?

In this episode, Rev. Tara Beth Leach and Dr. Mark Quanstrom continue their conversation with pastor and church planter Laura Tarro, exploring how patience, trust, and a few unconventional worship spaces (yes, a donut shop and a brewery) have shaped her ministry.

🎙️ In This Episode:

The unexpected church visit that finally affirmed Laura’s pastoral call.
Why embracing the title of “pastor” was harder than expected.
How planting a church in a donut shop (and later, a brewery) became a story of God’s provision.
The tension of wanting measurable success but trusting God to grow the church in His way.

📌 Highlights:

[00:05:00] “We’re going to call you pastor”—the moment that changed everything.
[00:12:00] Church planting without striving: “God builds His church, not us.”
[00:16:00] From donuts to drafts: How a donut shop and a brewery became places of worship.
[00:23:00] Wrestling with the need for progress while trusting God’s pace.

💡 Takeaway:

Laura’s story reminds us that faithfulness matters more than metrics. When we surrender our expectations and trust in God’s provision, we find freedom from the pressure to perform and space to let the Spirit lead.

Patient Obedience: Laura Tarro’s Journey to Church Planting (Part 1) Jan 28, 2025

What does it look like to follow God’s call when the journey feels unclear or even obstructed?

In this compelling episode, Rev. Tara Beth Leach and Dr. Mark Quanstrom welcome church planter, pastor, and theologian Laura Tarro to share her inspiring story of waiting, persistence, and faithfulness.

Laura opens up about her unconventional call to ministry, the barriers she faced, and how God led her to steward her gifts for the church.

🎙️ In This Episode:

Laurra’s early sense of calling and how it clashed with her conservative upbringing.
Navigating spaces that questioned women’s leadership in ministry.
Hearing God’s call to “something more” and the surprising ways it unfolded.
The tension of loving the church while waiting for it to make space for her gifts.

📌 Highlights:

[01:15] Meet Laura Tarro: Pastor, Scholar, and Church Planter
[02:10] Laura's Unconventional Journey to Ministry
[04:18] Challenges and Barriers in Ministry
[12:40] A Turning Point: Embracing the Call
[16:35] Starting a New Chapter: Church Planting
[21:58] Navigating Church Dynamics and Finding a New Path
[30:26] Theological Convictions and Final Thoughts

💡 Takeaway:

Laura’s story reminds us that God’s timing is often slower than ours, but His faithfulness is steadfast. Even when the road to ministry seems blocked, God prepares the way for those He calls.

📖 Next Week:

Join us for Part 2 as Laura dives deeper into her journey, sharing the theological convictions that have shaped her ministry and how they continue to guide her today.

Redeemed Succession: Trusting God’s Plan with Greg Wenhold (Part 3) Jan 20, 2025

How does God redeem a church's past while preparing it for a flourishing future?

In the final part of this compelling conversation, Rev. Tara Beth Leach and Dr. Mark Quanstrom sit down with Pastor Greg Wenhold to discuss the unique dynamics of pastoral succession, the power of trust in leadership, and the ongoing work of transformation at Good Shepherd Church.

🎙️ In This Episode:

How a “redeemed succession plan” brought Greg and Tara Beth together in ministry.
The delicate balance of leadership and humility in a thriving church community.
Lessons on honoring a church’s past while calling it forward into God’s future.
Practical insights on co-leading, mutual respect, and modeling healthy transitions.

📌 Highlights:

01:26 Pastoral Challenges and Anxieties
02:15 The Journey Back to Good Shepherd
03:46 The Fear of Failure
08:49 The Decision to Return
10:13 Navigating Leadership Dynamics
12:18 Reflections on Pastoral Leadership
14:30 Navigating Funeral Requests
15:30 Mutual Respect and Trust in Leadership
17:07 Honoring Past Leadership
20:26 Practical Roles and Responsibilities
24:56 Challenges and Anomalies in Church Leadership
29:55 Calling the Church Forward

💡 Takeaway:

This episode is a testament to God’s ability to work through unconventional paths, weaving redemption into every stage of ministry. Whether you’re stepping into a new role, supporting a leader, or transitioning out, trust that God’s plans are always for the good of His church.

📖 Additional Reflection:

How can your leadership amplify the mission of others and build trust in your community? Share your thoughts with us!

Finding Home: Navigating Transitions with Greg Wenhold (Part 2) Jan 13, 2025

The journey of ministry often includes twists, turns, and unexpected moments of grace.

In this second part of their conversation with Pastor Greg Wenhold, Rev. Tara Beth Leach and Dr. Mark Quanstrom explore the challenges and growth that come with navigating transitions, including stepping away from—and returning to—a beloved church community.

🎙️ In This Episode:

Lessons from an unconventional call to ministry.
The hard conversations and deep growth during seasons of leadership change.
Embracing God’s timing in moments of uncertainty and transition.
A pastor’s wisdom on leading with humility and trusting God’s sovereignty.

📌 Highlights:

00:32 Unconventional Paths in Ministry
02:16 Challenges and Growth at Good Shepherd
03:50 Embezzlement Revelation
05:21 Leadership Transitions and Reflections
10:17 Retirement and New Beginnings
14:34 Navigating Church Leadership During COVID
18:03 Mass Exodus and Church Challenges
20:25 The Glass Cliff Dilemma
21:49 A Divine Calling and Guest Preaching
24:43 Holy Mischief and Acceptance
27:31 Facing Congregational Expectations
31:34 Concluding Thoughts and Future Plans

💡 Takeaway:

Greg’s story serves as a reminder that God’s plans often unfold in ways we don’t expect. Trusting His timing, staying humble, and keeping Christ as the center of ministry allow us to navigate even the hardest transitions with grace and hope.

The Winding Journey of Ministry with Greg Wenhold (Part 1) Jan 06, 2025

What happens when the path God calls you to takes unexpected turns?

In this episode, Tara Beth Leach and Mark Quanstrom sit down with Pastor Greg Wenhold to explore his unconventional and inspiring pastoral story. From being "gently led" into ministry to navigating unexpected transitions, Greg’s journey is filled with honesty, resilience, and grace.

🎙️ In This Episode:

How Greg’s unique call to ministry unfolded over time.
The role of faithful mentors and unexpected opportunities in shaping a pastor.
Navigating transitions—including leaving and returning to the same church.
Wisdom for young pastors feeling the weight of uncertainty in their calling.

📌 Highlights:

01:09 Introducing Special Guest: Pastor Greg Wenhold
02:08 Pastor Greg's Journey and Mentorship
04:38 The Unique Path to Ministry
05:36 Early Ministry Experiences
08:05 Finding a Calling in Seminary
14:46 Innovative Worship in the Lutheran Church
18:03 A Call to Sioux Falls
19:08 The Unexpected Envelope
21:25 A New Beginning at Good Shepherd
21:55 Challenges and Burnout
24:23 A Mentor's Call
25:15 Returning Home
26:23 The Struggle for Leadership
27:48 Missionary Journey
28:44 Co-Senior Leadership
34:06 Final Reflections and Advice

💡 Takeaway:

Your pastoral journey doesn’t need to fit a template. Greg’s story is a reminder that God works through every twist and turn, equipping us for the work He calls us to do.

The Sacred and Ordinary Rhythms of Pastoral Life | Mark & Tara Beth (Part 2) Dec 30, 2024

How do pastors navigate the complexities of ministry without losing themselves—or their families?

In this heartfelt continuation, Tara Beth and Mark share honest reflections on their daily rhythms, the grace required for pastoral work, and the joy found in staying grounded amidst the demands.

🎙️ In This Episode:

Living within the boundaries of God’s grace for the calling.
The quiet work of sermon preparation: listening for the Spirit and discerning the needs of the congregation.
Balancing ministry and family life through intentional rhythms and heartfelt priorities.
Moments of levity—from pre-writing jitters to creative hideouts for getting the work done.

💡 Takeaway:

In the midst of long hours and deep responsibility, the work of pastoring is filled with grace. This episode invites you into the heart of the pastoral vocation, reminding us all of the beauty and challenge of answering God’s call.

📌 Highlights:

00:32 Balancing Pastoral Duties and Personal Life
04:58 The Concept of Sabbath for Pastors
07:56 Sermon Preparation Strategies
14:27 The Importance of Research in Sermon Writing
17:50 A Young Pastor's Early Challenges
18:50 Weekly Sermon Struggles
22:14 The Importance of Staff Connection
26:18 Balancing Ministry and Family
31:16 Reflecting on Pastoral Work
32:17 Looking Ahead to 2025

A Day in the Life of a Pastor | Mark & Tara Beth (Part 1) Dec 23, 2024

What does a week in the life of a pastor really look like?

In this candid and lighthearted episode, Tara Beth and Mark pull back the curtain on their daily routines, juggling ministry, family, and their own spiritual practices.

🎙️ In This Episode:

The unique rhythms of pastoral life: from Sunday sermons to late-night small groups.
Hilarious and humbling moments, including DoorDash mishaps and the reality of managing schedules.
Insight into the pressures of ministry, including the differences in expectations for male and female pastors.
How these two leaders balance preaching, leadership, and their personal lives.

📌 Highlights:

00:59 Reflecting on Past Guests and Personal Pastoring Experiences
02:11 Managing Pastoral Schedules
04:25 The Challenges of Calendar Management
07:04 Embarrassing Stories and DoorDash Adventures
11:06 Sunday Morning Routines
14:08 Early Morning Routine and Church Preparation
14:30 Support from Jeff: Breakfast and Sermon Prep
17:37 Sunday Services: The Pastor Scramble
20:35 Balancing Church Duties and Family Time
21:36 Monday Meetings and Small Group Fellowship
22:56 Teaching and Administrative Responsibilities
24:07 Weekly Prayer and Staff Meetings
29:42 Reflecting on Pastoral Life and Future Topics

Leading from Weakness in Ministry with Mandy Smith Dec 16, 2024

What if embracing our limitations could actually make us better leaders?

In this heartfelt conversation, Reverend Tara Beth Leach and Dr. Mark Quanstrom sit down with Mandy Smith to uncover the transformative power of vulnerability in ministry. Instead of feeling pressured to have every answer or maintain a polished facade, discover how owning our weaknesses allows God’s strength to shine through.

Mandy shares her personal journey—moments of crisis, the temptation of the “perfect leader” lie, and the profound relief in letting go. Together, they explore how gender dynamics influence leadership, the importance of truthful self-reflection, and why authentic shepherding resonates more deeply than scripted competence.

If you’ve ever felt the weight of needing to appear flawless in pastoral work, this episode offers encouragement to lead boldly from a place of honesty and trust.

Timestamps:

00:46 Continuing the Conversation on Vulnerability

02:37 Mandy’s Crisis and Revelation

04:24 The Lie of the Perfect Leader

07:46 The Role of Gender in Ministry

09:16 The Burden of Leadership

10:46 God’s Strength in Our Weakness

14:12 The Call to Authentic Leadership

28:31 The Journey of Redemption

31:51 Closing Thoughts and Book Recommendations

The Vulnerable Pastor with Mandy Smith Dec 09, 2024

Often as pastors we feel like we need to project strength and competency in order to minister effectively. That's why we go to conferences and emulate the latest superstars. But we know we can never live up to those images. Deep down, we know our own limitations, our weaknesses, our faults.

We fear that if people knew who we really are, we'd be disqualified from ministry.Not so. Mandy Smith unpacks the biblical paradox that God's strength is revealed through our human weakness.

Transparently describing her pastoral journey, Smith shows how vulnerability shapes ministry, through our spiritual practices and relationships, influencing our preaching, teaching and even the nuts and bolts of the daily schedule. Understanding our human constraints makes our ministry more sustainable and guards us against disillusionment and burnout.

Timestamp:

00:36 Celebrating Milestones and Special Guests

01:40 Mandy Smith's Journey to Pastorship

03:44 Challenges and Triumphs in Ministry

21:21 Leading with Vulnerability and Faith

32:24 Concluding Thoughts and Encouragement

Personal Loss in Ministry with Vicki Copp Dec 02, 2024

Vicki journeyed into full-time ministry later in her life.

In this episode, Pastor Vicki Kopp discusses her journey into ministry later in life, her challenges following her husband's death from pancreatic cancer, and the unwavering strength provided by her faith and congregation.

Personal suffering informs and often deepens pastoral care for others.

Timestamp:

00:47 Vicki's Call to Ministry

01:34 Challenges and Triumphs in Ministry

02:42 Dan's Illness and Community Support

05:40 Life After Dan's Passing

12:17 The Healing Power of Ministry

18:14 Empathy Through Shared Suffering

26:15 Closing Thoughts and Future Conversations

How Vicki Found Her Voice as a Pastor with Vicki Copp Nov 25, 2024

Vicki had been called to ministry when she was a teenager. It wasn’t till years later that she took the role of a vocational minister.

They explore the dynamics of church leadership, gender challenges, and her personal experiences, including the profound loss of her husband and the ongoing mission to serve her congregation.

Timestamps:

00:35 Meet Reverend Vicki Kopp

02:36 Vicki's Journey to Ministry

05:43 Challenges and Triumphs in Ministry

09:40 Becoming a Pastor in Cameron, Missouri

12:51 Navigating Pastoral Roles and Responsibilities

18:15 Personal and Professional Struggles

25:41 Conclusion and Reflections

Justifying the Church's Existence with David Bunce Nov 18, 2024

If your church closed its doors would your community notice?

Join Reverend Tara Beth Leach, Dr. Mark Quanstrom, and guest David Bunce from Bad Ishel, Austria, as they explore the theological and existential challenges of justifying a church's existence in modern society. Dive into deep conversations about community, cultural pressures, and the essence of the church's mission while understanding diverse perspectives from both the U.S. and Austria.

Timestamps

01:25 The Mission and Justification of the Church

02:21 Theological Reflections on Church Identity

03:32 Challenges of Small Church Communities

04:10 The Role of the Church in the Community

07:39 Understanding Church Through the Lens of Dementia

11:05 Practical Church Leadership and Community

12:40 Cultural and Contextual Dynamics in Church Life

19:53 Church Weekend Retreat Insights

22:09 Global Church Challenges and Solutions

28:15 Final Thoughts and Farewell

Navigating Faith in Austria with Pastor David Bunce Nov 11, 2024

What does it mean to be faithful to God as a church?

David Bunce shares his experience leading a church community in Bad Ischl, Austria.

Tara Beth and Mark delve into the unique challenges and experiences of David. Discover the complexities of pastoring in a culturally Catholic and secularizing Europe, and explore the evolving mission of the church in this context.

Timestamps:

00:34 Meet Pastor David Bunce from Austria

01:57 David's Spiritual Journey

03:34 Understanding European Baptist Theology

04:47 Life and Ministry in Austria

09:16 Challenges and Cultural Context

15:26 Mission and Community Engagement

25:32 Reflections and Future Conversations

Pastoral Vulnerability and Navigating Suffering with Kyle Fever Nov 04, 2024

Discovering Strength in Weakness with Kyle Fever Oct 28, 2024

Kyle didn’t plan to serve in vocational ministry.

Yet after a season of serving in academia, he found himself in a community that would prove to be tremendously supportive. On December 9th, 2022 Kyle’s daughter Jaya experienced a traumatic brain injury. Kyle shares about his experience of ministering through weakness and the way his church carried his burdens.

Despite all the pain of this moment, Kyle found strength in weakness.

Read more about Kyle processing his daughter’s accident on Jaya Fever’s Caring Bridge - https://www.caringbridge.org/site/public/1e79b5f2-c4c3-3e3b-9ff3-e0107e40a7fc

You Can reach Kyle on email at kfever@miseminary.com

Timestamps

01:17 Kyle Feaver's Background and Ministry

04:21 Transition to Pastoral Ministry

11:31 Challenges and Reflections in Ministry

16:06 Embracing Vulnerability and Community Support

17:23 A Life-Altering Accident

19:22 The Struggles of Recovery

22:56 Seeking Help and Taking a Leave

26:09 Returning to the Community

27:54 The Power of Showing Up

32:38 Conclusion and Looking Ahead

Faithful Leadership Amid Political and Theological Tensions | Politics & The Kingdom (Part 8) Oct 21, 2024

In this episode of 'The Pastor's Table,' Rev. Tara Beth Leach and Dr. Mark Quanstrom conclude the series on the intricate relationship between church leadership, political engagement, and theology.

Over the past six weeks, their conversations with local pastors have illuminated the pressing need for consistent Christian values in the political arena beyond election seasons. The dialogue emphasizes addressing privilege, especially white privilege, in political contexts and voting behaviors. The hosts discuss the balance required between secular and divine responsibilities, stressing authenticity and vulnerability in leadership. They invite listeners to reflect on personal and theological values, examine the compromises in voting, and engage with strategies to empower congregations to address community needs.

Through shared pastoral experiences, the episode aims to offer refreshing insights and encourages unpretentious, authentic leadership.

Timestamps:

00:34 Reflecting on Past Conversations

02:44 Navigating Political Seasons in the Church

03:52 Creating a Political Podcast Series

07:30 Balancing Theological Convictions and Political Engagement

09:04 Addressing Privilege and Political Responsibility

15:45 The Apocalyptic Nature of Elections

17:26 Is the Constitution Enough?

18:16 Political Creatures and Their Convictions

19:16 The Dilemma of Voting

20:26 Two Kingdom Theology

21:21 The Flaws of Each Candidate

23:41 Local Politics and Shepherding

24:47 Pastoring in Challenging Times

26:01 Leading with Vulnerability

28:10 Upcoming Topics and Guests

31:32 Gratitude and Farewell

Navigating Faith and Politics: Empowering Church Communities with Kaitlyn Schiess | Politics & The Kingdom (Part 7) Oct 14, 2024

Pastors face unavoidable challenges and responsibilities in a politically divided world.

The discussion addresses how Christians can navigate political ideologies, empowering local congregations to enact meaningful change and avoid isolating themselves. Caitlin emphasizes understanding scripture holistically to inform both private spiritual and public political life, advocating for regular integration of faith and political discourse beyond just election seasons.

The conversation highlights the importance of prayer, community engagement, and long-term spiritual formation over quick fixes. The episode encourages pastors to be non-partisan, responsive to their specific context, and to guide their congregations with wisdom and compassion.

Timestamps

00:34 Reflecting on Kaitlyn Schiess' Insights

02:07 Empowering Local Churches

04:15 The Intersection of Faith and Politics

05:51 Scripture and Political Relevance

07:59 Balancing Political Engagement and Faith

14:14 Challenges of Discussing Politics in Church

17:44 Practical Advice for Pastors

25:47 Concluding Thoughts and Blessings

Michael Bird on How Politics Shapes Faith: An Aussie Lens on America | Politics & The Kingdom (Part 4) Oct 10, 2024

How does the rest of the world see American politics?

Dr. Michael Bird offers a fresh and candid perspective on the current American political landscape, drawing compelling comparisons between the U.S. and Australia. Michael, Tara, and Mark explore the challenges pastors face as they strive to maintain theological integrity in a politically polarized environment.

From the influence of social media to societal shifts, Dr. Bird breaks down the complex dynamics shaping faith and politics today. He emphasizes the critical need for unity within the church, even as divisive political forces continue to grow. Whether you're a pastor, church leader, or simply seeking clarity on how faith intersects with politics, this episode delivers profound insights on navigating these turbulent times.

Episode Timestamps:

01:33 Dr. Bird's Early Life and Background

04:35 Journey to Faith and Academic Pursuits

07:49 Observations on American Politics

14:51 Challenges for Pastors in Political Times

21:01 The Role of Secularism and Religious Freedom

24:41 Next Week Preview

Ballot and the Bible with Kaitlyn Schiess | Politics & The Kingdom (Part 6) Oct 07, 2024

Scripture has been used and abused in so many political ways.

How do Bible passages written thousands of years ago apply to politics today? What can we learn from America's history of using the Bible in politics? How can we converse with people whose views differ from our own?

Kaitlyn Schiess explores these questions and more in The Ballot and the Bible. She unpacks examples of how Americans have connected the Bible to politics in the past, highlighting times it was applied well and times it was egregiously misused.

In this episode, Kaitlyn shares her journey from studying history at Liberty University to authoring 'The Ballot and the Bible,' discussing the challenges pastors face in addressing political issues within their congregations.

Timestamps:

00:33 Navigating Politics in the Church

01:03 Introducing Caitlin Schuss

02:55 Caitlin's Journey and Insights

04:42 The Impact of Politics on Faith

06:18 The Liturgy of Politics

09:36 Challenges and Costs of Speaking Out

19:43 Historical Context and Modern Challenges

24:39 The Role of the Church in Political Discourse

29:48 Conclusion and Next Steps

From Anabaptist to Anglican: Finding a Middle Ground in Faith and Governance with Dr. Michael Bird | Politics & The Kingdom (Part 5) Sep 30, 2024

Dr. Michael Bird returns to The Pastor’s Table and tries to persuade Mark & Tara Beth to be Anglican.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident.” This beloved phrase from the Declaration of Independence isn’t “self-evident” for everyone in the world. Dr. Bird gives a helpful perspective to understand the pervasive impact of the Christian Gospel on society.

Dr. Bird discusses the strengths and weaknesses of the Anabaptist tradition, the role of Christians in politics, and the historical roots of democratic systems in Christian thought. This dialogue explores how Christians can navigate participation in government while maintaining theological integrity and offers practical insights into balancing prophetic witness with political engagement.

Timestamps:

02:05 Anabaptist vs. Anglican Debate

05:06 Christian Involvement in Politics

13:00 The Christian Foundation of Western Politics

22:01 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections

Pastoring in the Face of Political Influences with Scot McKnight | Politics & The Kingdom Series (Part 3) Sep 16, 2024

Politicians use extreme language to try to get elected.

This pervasive apocalyptic language is forming the people in our rows.

Scot McKnight delves into the intricate topic of how current political climates and social media influence church congregations. The discussion explores the challenge of counteracting this pervasive influence without being overtly political from the pulpit. McKnight emphasizes the power of creating an alternative theopolitical narrative and encourages a stronger ecclesiology that prioritizes the teachings of Jesus and the Kingdom of God over partisan politics.

It is possible to transform church culture to align with biblical principles of justice and equity, steering away from political partisanship. This thought-provoking episode offers pastors perspectives and language to help guide their congregations through these turbulent times.

Timestamps:

00:34 Discussing Politics in the Pulpit

02:22 The Power of Apocalyptic Language

05:56 Creating an Alternative Theopolitics

10:32 The Role of the Church in Society

23:06 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections

Scot McKnight on Pastors Addressing Politics | Politics & The Kingdom Series (Part 2) Sep 09, 2024

The intersection of politics and pastoral responsibilities is a complicated space.

Should pastors ignore the political issues of the day? Does timing matter when it comes to talking about cultural and political issues? Dr. Scot McKnight discusses these questions and more with Mark & Tara Beth. They delve into the challenges pastors face when addressing political topics from the pulpit and explore the importance of maintaining theological integrity while navigating diverse political perspectives within their congregations.

McKnight shares his experiences, insights, and advice on how pastors can speak truthfully yet carefully, ensuring they remain pastoral leaders for all sides. The conversation focuses on the broader implications of political discourse in the church and the necessity of prioritizing the gospel message over political allegiances.

Timestamps

03:36 - Navigating Politics in the Church

06:17 - Challenges of Political Discussions

10:19 - Balancing Pastoral Responsibilities

15:52 - The Role of Pastors in a Politically Charged Environment

29:03 - Concluding Thoughts and Next Episode Preview

Pastoring in an Election Year | Politics & The Kingdom Series (Part 1) Sep 02, 2024

Political elections bring unique challenges to pastors.

Tara Beth & Mark discuss their personal experience of pastoring through previous election seasons. They share personal anecdotes and strategies for addressing divisive political climates within congregations, emphasizing the importance of humility, gentleness, and theological integrity.

Nurturing a congregation to be more like Jesus is always challenging. Gain wisdom from Mark & Tara Beth’s experiences navigating these seasons. The call to pastor well is critical in these seasons!

Pastors, you are not alone in your struggles to shepherd your communities through complex political landscapes. It’s possible to have a balanced approach to navigating these tumultuous times.

Timestamps:

00:34 Fall Season and Church Activities

03:05 Election Season and Pastoral Challenges

05:41 Navigating Political Sermons

11:56 Cultural and Political Tensions in Church

14:14 Fear and Emergency Plans Post-Election

15:30 A Polarized Congregation Reacts

17:20 Communion Sunday Controversy

19:31 Backlash and Accusations

23:51 Navigating Racial Tensions in Church

26:08 Preaching Political Messages

29:19 Humility and Political Perspectives

33:39 Conclusion and Call to Unity

Navigating Professional Mentorship & Gender Roles in Christian Marriage | Empowering Women in Ministry (Part 3) | Seminary Now Course Preview Aug 26, 2024

When women support other women in their leadership they can embolden each other in unique ways.

In this episode of The Pastor's Table Podcast, the focus is on Tara Beth's course highlights the empowerment of women in ministry through mentorship. Tara Beth shares her personal experiences, including her transformative encounters with female leaders. She offers practical advice on fostering supportive relationships among women, mentoring, and navigating the cultural and biblical contexts surrounding gender roles in ministry.

Tara Beth also explores gender roles in Christian marriages. The importance of partnership is so profound and to have a supportive spouse in ministry is paramount. There is so much important insight about what ways husbands can be supportive of their spouses in ministry.

Timestamps:

00:29 Meeting Carla Sundberg: A Personal Story

01:42 Challenges and Importance of Female Mentorship

03:37 Concrete Actions for Empowering Women in Ministry

06:17 The Lie of Tokenism and Embracing Sisterhood

07:13 Biblical Examples of Female Support: Mary and Elizabeth

11:12 Personal Reflections on Non-Traditional Christian Marriage

13:24 Biblical Foundations of Gender Equality

22:38 Paul's Teachings on Marriage and Mutual Submission

Overcoming Stereotypes and Challenges | Empowering Women in Ministry (Part 2) | Seminary Now Course Preview Aug 19, 2024

Gender models have often held women back from leading in the church.

Tara shares personal stories and biblical references to discuss the challenges women face in ministry, including stereotypes and opposition. She emphasizes the importance of embracing one's unique, God-given traits—whether nurturing or assertive—and offers practical advice on dealing with opposition while staying true to one's calling.

Through scripture and personal experiences, Tara highlights the diverse ways women can lead and serve effectively in ministry.

Timestamps:

00:29 Facing Gender Bias

01:15 The Struggle with Leadership Perceptions

03:32 Biblical Examples of Nurturing Leadership

05:18 Breaking Gender Stereotypes in Ministry

09:23 Facing Opposition in Ministry

14:01 Dealing with Bitterness and Anger

15:51 Practical Tips for Handling Opposition

19:21 A Story of Forgiveness and Healing

Empowering Women in Ministry (Part 1) | Seminary Now Course Preview Aug 12, 2024

Throughout Scripture and church history, women have been central to the mission of God. But all too often women have lacked opportunities to minister fully. Many churches lack visible examples of women in ministry and leadership.

In this Seminary Now course, Pastor Tara Beth Leach issues a stirring call for a new generation of women in ministry: to teach, to preach, to shepherd, and to lead. God not only permits women to minister—he emboldens, empowers, and unleashes women to lead out of the fullness of who they are. The church cannot reach its full potential without women using their God-given gifts. Leach provides practical expertise for how women can find their place at the table, escape impostor syndrome, face opposition, mentor others, and much more.

Learn more about Seminary Now at https://seminarynow.com/

How to Address Sin Beyond Personal Misdeeds: A Theological Perspective with Dr. Matthew Croasmun Aug 05, 2024

Humans are shaped by community.

Tara Beth & Mark explore with Matt Croasmun the implications of understanding sin beyond an individualistic framework. America has a set of unique cultural norms that make it challenging to understand all that Paul has to say about the impact of sin on the community.

Dr. Croasmun discusses the vital role of community in understanding sin, the influence of social systems, and the importance of fostering healthy communities that embody the teachings of Christ. The conversation also touches on the challenges pastors face in maintaining personal integrity and creating cultures that reflect the Kingdom of God. Listeners are invited to reflect on the formation of their own identities and the potential of the church to serve as a powerful witness to the broader society.

Timestamps:

00:55 Understanding Sin Beyond Individualism

02:07 The Social Nature of Sin and Personhood

06:33 Implications for Pastoral Leadership

09:22 The Role of Community in Spiritual Formation

16:40 The Power of Imitation in Christian Life

21:13 The Church as a Model for Society

29:53 Concluding Thoughts and Future Conversations

Exploring the Personal, Social & Cosmic Emergence of Sin with Dr. Matthew Croasmun Jul 29, 2024

Sin is a big deal.

In this episode of The Pastor's Table, hosts Tara Beth Leach and Dr. Mark Quanstrom engage in a compelling conversation with Dr. Matthew Croasmun about the multifaceted nature of sin. Drawing from his book, "The Emergence of Sin," Dr. Croasmun discusses sin from personal, social, and cosmic perspectives, challenging the conventional view that sin is merely individual misdeeds or social ills. He shares his journey from the Midwest to Yale, his accidental church planting experience, and the significance of embracing a comprehensive understanding of sin as a cosmic force that constrains our moral freedom and opposes our efforts to do right.

Dr. Croasmun's perspective re-mythologizes the world through scientific and theological lenses, presenting sin as an emergent feature of a vast human network of transgression. Yet, this power is real and personal, necessitating our resistance. The discussion emphasizes the importance of viewing Paul's ancient text as a relevant field manual for modern living. This episode invites pastors and church leaders to adopt a robust understanding of sin, promising to delve deeper into its practical implications in future episodes.

Timestamps:

01:57 Journey from Midwest to Yale

05:17 Accidental Church Planting

17:59 Theological Insights on Sin

32:23 Implications for Pastoral Ministry

34:31 Closing Blessings and Reflections

Unpacking the Expectation Gap: Exploring the Distance Between Our Beliefs and Experience of God with Steve Cuss Jul 22, 2024

Do you truly experience the promises Jesus gave to those who follow him—the benefits of peace, freedom, and love?

The fact is that many of us struggle with a gap between what we believe about God and how we encounter him in our everyday lives. We don't want our faith to be merely conceptual—we want to experience it viscerally—and yet we often come up against one or more of these major gaps:

I believe God loves me, but I don't feel it.
I believe God is with me, but I don't see him.
I thought I'd be further along in my spiritual progress by now.

In The Expectation Gap, Steve Cuss—pastor and founder of the leadership organization Capable Life—offers tangible tools for engaging with God in a deeper, more soul-satisfying way. You'll unveil harmful expectations and patterns that keep you spiritually stuck so that you can replace them with habits and practices that will lead to a more vibrant faith life.

Timestamps:

01:01 Understanding the Expectation Gap

01:46 Exploring Core Gaps in Faith

02:31 The Struggle with God's Love and Presence

02:57 Reactivity and Awareness of God's Presence

03:39 The Challenge of Measuring Faith

08:02 Misinterpretations of Biblical Stories

17:51 Personal Reflections and Vulnerability

18:11 Struggling with Guilt on Vacation

18:40 Letting God Carry the Relationship

19:15 Relaxing into God's Presence

20:33 The Challenge of Following Jesus Today

21:59 The Complexity of Modern Faith

24:33 Ordinary Lives, Extraordinary Faith

33:15 Embracing Your Unique Calling

34:57 Final Thoughts and Encouragement

Managing Leadership Anxiety: Navigating Pastoral Challenges with Steve Cuss Jul 15, 2024

Steve Cuss suggests, “Until you've gotten to the end of yourself, you're kind of a dangerous person.”

In this episode of The Pastor's Table, Steve discusses his journey of finding the end of himself. From being unchurched to becoming a pastor, his transformative experiences as a hospital chaplain, and the challenges of pastoral leadership. Highlighting the importance of vulnerability, self-awareness, and managing anxiety, Steve shares valuable lessons for pastors and church leaders.

There are ways in which we can recognize and manage what is going on in our leadership anxiety. Steve discusses all this and more about how we can be human size in our pastoring.

Learn more about Steve’s work at stevecusswords.com

Timestamps

00:33 Meet Steve Cuss: Journey into Ministry

06:58 The Impact of Chaplaincy

22:29 Managing Leadership Anxiety

25:02 Navigating Pastoral Challenges

28:58 Resources and Conclusion

Finding Sacredness in Everyday Life: Insights from Mark & Tara Beth | S6E21 Jul 08, 2024

The ordinary moments of life contain some of the most holy moments.

In this episode of The Pastor's Table, Tara Beth and Mark discuss the challenges and joys of pastoral life beyond the pulpit. They share personal anecdotes, including Mark's weekly routine and the guilty pleasure of watching 'Survivor,' and Tara Beth's heartfelt journey of caring for her mother with dementia.

Play & rest are essential to tending to personal and familial responsibilities, arguing for a holistic approach to ministry that integrates both sacred duties and everyday life. Pastors are at their best when they embrace their humanity and find balance in their lives.

Timestamps:

01:31 The Confession: Midweek Struggles

02:53 Finding Joy in Simple Pleasures

04:40 The Importance of Play and Rest

10:05 Caring for Aging Parents

13:01 The Holiness of Everyday Life

24:14 Final Thoughts and Encouragement

Balancing Life and Ministry: Ordinary Rhythms with Tara Beth & Mark | S6E20 Jul 01, 2024

Having a “balanced” life is challenging when serving in ministry.

In this episode of the Pastor's Table, hosts Reverend Tara Beth Leach and Dr. Mark Quanstrom candidly discuss the challenges pastors face in balancing their professional and personal lives. They share personal anecdotes about their own struggles and strategies for maintaining well-being, such as embracing hobbies and setting boundaries.

Tara Beth highlights her therapeutic connection with horses, while Mark reflects on the sanctity of family time and his passion for sailing. Together, they offer an encouraging message for pastors to embrace the everyday gifts and rhythms that bring balance and joy into their lives.

Timestamps:

01:56 Balancing Pastoral Duties and Family Life

03:44 Personal Stories and Reflections

07:14 Establishing Healthy Rhythms

12:18 Family Time and Personal Hobbies

19:06 Rediscovering a Passion for Horses

19:28 Balancing Work and Competitive Riding

21:11 The Therapeutic Bond with Horses

23:20 Encouraging Hobbies for Pastors

24:18 Sailing: A Personal Journey

29:52 Embracing Life's Gifts

30:30 Final Thoughts and Encouragement

Pastoring from Contemplation & Following the Narrow Way | Rich Villodas | S6E19 Jun 24, 2024

Those who don’t “behold” and contemplate a life in God never experience God’s fullness.

When we behold God there is a transformative power that flows. In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus subverts so many ways in which we view spirituality. Life with God transcends moralism, successism, and individualism. In this conversation, Mark & Tara Beth have a profound discussion with Pastor Rich Villodas.

Pre-Order The Narrow Way: https://www.richvillodas.com/the-narrow-path

Timestamps:

01:08 Leading as a Contemplative Pastor

02:16 The Importance of Beholding God

08:52 Incorporating Silence in Worship

13:25 Introducing 'The Narrow Path'

20:37 Responsibilities of a Pastor

24:28 Final Thoughts and Farewell

Rich’s Introduction to a “Narrow Way” of Ministry | Rich Villodas | S6E18 Jun 17, 2024

Rich didn’t grow up as a Christian.

Following Jesus means following Him along Jesus’ narrow way. Spiritual practices aren’t just an add-on to the way of Jesus. Rich Villodas presents a compelling theological vision for a church that focuses deeply on the formation of Jesus’ disciples.

Rich also highlights the unique membership process at New Life Church, which emphasizes relational and spiritual formation over rapid growth. This episode is a heartfelt exploration of what it means to shepherd a weary world while maintaining theological integrity.

Pre-Order The Narrow Way: https://www.richvillodas.com/the-narrow-path

Timestamps:

01:58 Rich's Journey to Faith

05:16 Early Ministry and Family Influence

14:20 Monastic Influences and Leadership

17:49 Contemplative Practices in Church Leadership

24:57 Challenges and Reflections on Church Growth

26:50 Conclusion and Encouragement for Pastors

Navigating Conflict, Antagonism & Power as Pastors | The Pastor’s Table | Rev. Tara Beth Leach & Mark Quanstrom | S6E17 Jun 10, 2024

Listen to Theology on Mission Podcast on your favorite platform: https://pod.link/999549544

Pastors face unexpected challenges all the time.

Tara Beth and Mark talk with David Fitch and Mark Quanstrom from Theology on Mission Podcast about the many active struggles of ministry. Antagonism and all sorts of sources have created a polarized world. Often this blows up in the church. Mark and Tara Beth share their insights from mediating conflicts, understanding underlying issues, and knowing when it might be time to move on from a pastoral role.

Pastors foster a reconciling presence as Christ was a reconciling force through his ministry.

Outline:

00:00 Introduction and Banter

01:58 Special Guests Introduction

04:23 Challenges of Ministry

10:01 Antagonism in the Church

18:09 Historical Context of Marriage

18:49 Modern Affluence and Marriage Dynamics

19:56 Pastoral Leadership in Conflict

21:56 Understanding Congregational Antagonisms

23:18 Modeling Reconciliation in Church

29:53 Social Media's Impact on Pastors

38:12 Differentiation and Pastoral Identity

39:28 When It's Time to Leave

41:03 Final Thoughts and Podcast Wrap-Up

Reckoning with Power in Leadership | Theology On Mission Podcast Crossover | Hamartiology | S6E16 Jun 03, 2024

In a world where we can see the abuses of power everywhere.

David Fitch & Mike Moore from The Theology on Mission Podcast join Mark and Tara Beth to discuss power dynamics in the church's life. Church leaders must discern power and avoid its abuses and traumas. By learning from the church's historical pitfalls, Christians can be empowered to relinquish worldly power and make space for God to disrupt and transform our culture for his kingdom.

In this episode they explore the appropriate exercise of power within the church, distinguishing between God's and worldly power, and the importance of mutual submission and humility. The conversation addresses how pastors can discern when they are misusing power and the need for a community and friends to hold them accountable.

🎧 Listen to The Theology On Mission Podcast: https://pod.link/999549544

Timestamps:

01:08 Meet the Guests: Dr. Mike Moore and Dr. David Fitch

03:35 The Challenge of Power in Pastoral Leadership

05:00 Distinguishing God's Power from Worldly Power

07:33 Recognizing and Managing Misuse of Power

10:45 Spiritual Authority and Mutual Submission

26:40 Practical Applications and Organizational Structures

33:34 Concluding Thoughts

Seeking Peace Among Protest with Amanda Oicle | Hamartiology | S6E15 May 27, 2024

Amanda and their team eventually decided to close the coffee shop.

Amanda opens up about the challenges they faced, the emotional and spiritual toll, and the eventual decision to close the shop. Her story is one of resilience, empathy, and unwavering faith. Throughout the episode, Amanda reflects on Jesus’ vision to seek peace and leave if necessary.

In the end, Amanda and her team were struck by the truth that God’s justice will be delivered. Holding that space is what brought them peace and guidance during the turbulent waters they’ve navigated.

Timestamps:

01:57 Navigating Opposition and Seeking Peace

04:14 Empathy, Reconciliation, and the Decision to Leave

09:46 Theological Reflections on Justice, Peace, and Letting Go

11:18 Moving Forward: New Beginnings and Lessons Learned

17:30 Embracing Suffering and Finding Peace in Christ

31:26 Concluding Thoughts and Encouragement for Pastors

Coffee, Controversy, and Calling: A Story of Faith and Resilience with Amanda Oicle | Hamartiology | S6E14 May 21, 2024

Jesus promises, “In this world, you will have trouble.”

Backlash is a common experience for those trying to live out the faithful call of Jesus.

Tara Beth, and Mark have an engaging conversation with Pastor Amanda Oichel. Coming from a non-religious background in Canada, Amanda's journey to becoming an ordained Wesleyan pastor and church planter in Boston unfolds.

Amanda and their church had a vision to have a coffee shop that would be a common third place to serve their community. The dream of this compelling vision was not the reality for Amanda and her team. What ensued was a tumultuous series of events that included protests and painful lies spread about their work.

In this episode, Amanda, Mark, and Tara Beth explore the pain of this whole experience and the perspective it takes to scatter the goodness of the gospel faithfully!

Timestamps:

01:29 Amanda's Journey: From Non-Believer to Ordained Pastor

04:21 Planting Seeds in Boston: The Vision of Micro Churches and Coffee Ministry

13:25 Facing Opposition: Navigating Challenges in Ministry

32:26 Reflections on Faithfulness and the Future

Navigating Church Mergers with Jacob Gregory | Hamartiology | S6E13 May 13, 2024

Any church merger has a multitude of moving pieces.

To pursue unity and community impact amidst institutional challenges is no small effort. From the logistics of merging congregations to the theological and practical implications of such moves, "Navigating Church Mergers" offers rich insights into the transformative power of faith-led union.

In This Episode, You'll Discover:

- The inspiring journey of Reverend Jake Gregory and his experience merging two distinct church communities in the small town of St. Louis, Michigan.

- Challenges faced during the merger process, including denominational hurdles, property disputes, and navigating congregational expectations.

- The significant impact of community dynamics on church activities, especially concerning the city's largest employers being prisons.

- How external circumstances, such as leadership changes and the COVID-19 pandemic, influenced the course and outcome of the merger.

- The power of resilience and adaptive leadership in face of unforeseen challenges, and the critical role of support systems in enduring the process.

- Heartwarming testimonials of strengthened faith and community connection through the merger, highlighting the shelter program's touching role in redefining church outreach.

- A candid reflection on the spiritual and emotional toll of navigating denominational disputes and how it reshaped their vision for ministry.

**Episode Highlights:**

00:34 The Unique Challenges of Pastoring in St. Louis, Michigan

02:00 Exploring a Church Merger: The Journey Begins

03:01 Navigating Denominational Dynamics and the Merger Process

10:33 The Impact of COVID-19 and Legal Battles on Church Merger

23:49 The Emotional Toll and Finding Hope Again

30:00 The Power of Community and the Kingdom of God in Action

34:08 Reflecting on the Journey and the Power of Narrative

Recreating Church and Finding Jesus in the Margins with Jacob Gregory | Hamartiology | S6E12 May 06, 2024

The people of Jacob Gregory’s church didn’t just want to be “revived” they wanted to be “recreated.”

God led their church community to create a much-needed homeless shelter as an expression of their church. This change over time had the romance wear off eventually. Mark and Tara Beth talk with Jacob about the challenges of adapting to modern community needs while staying true to deep theological convictions.

Not everything with the church was an easy transition. Jacob Gregory discusses his church's journey from desiring revival to embracing a vision of being 'recreated' to serve their economically depressed community better. They may have lost a lot of their congregation but Jacob talks about the significance of finding Jesus in the margins.

Timestamps:

00:42 The Journey of Becoming a Pastor & Embracing Change and Community Impact

06:56 A Bold Move: Starting a Homeless Shelter and Redefining Ministry

12:51 Facing Challenges and Reimagining Church Identity

16:37 Navigating Loss, Criticism, and Finding Redemption

22:03 The Merger: Uniting Congregations for a Greater Cause

27:37 Reflections on Leadership, Change, and Faithfulness

The Uncharted Waters of Ministry with Dr. Dan Meyers | Hamartiology | S6E11 Apr 29, 2024

Every pastor at some point will have to navigate uncharted waters.

Dr. Dan Meyers shares about some of his unexpected ministry situations. The conversation delves into the challenges of pastoral leadership, the burden of power, and the importance of humility in guiding a church community. Dan recounts a significant turning point in his ministry when he had to make a difficult decision that ultimately led to a profound shift in perspective.

The episode also explores the concept of leadership through the lens of wisdom and mentoring, as Dan shares his experiences of navigating the complexities of pastoral care and decision-making. The discussion touches on the value of long-term relationships in ministry and the significance of knowing when to transition to a new chapter.

As Dan prepares to pass the baton to the next generation of leaders, he opens up about his upcoming transition to a chaplain role in South Florida, reflecting on the call to serve in new ways and the importance of staying true to one's sense of vocation.

Timestamps:

00:00 Welcome to The Pastor's Table: Navigating Leadership and Faith

00:32 Continuing the Conversation: Leadership Lessons with Dan Meyer

02:26 A Shift in Leadership: Embracing Humility and Community

07:59 Navigating Crisis: The Church's Role in Tragedy and Healing

15:23 Reflecting on Longevity in Ministry: The Journey of Staying Put

24:37 Embracing New Seasons: The Call to Transition and New Opportunities

31:47 The Importance of Ministry to the Affluent: A Future Conversation

Staying The Course in Pastoral Ministry with Dr. Dan Meyers | Hamartiology | S6E10 Apr 23, 2024

How important is unity in the Body of Christ?

Dan Meyers has a compelling vision of the importance of a unified Church. Tara Beth and Mark dig into everything from Dan’s call to ministry and the early years of ministry he navigated. Dr. Meyer shares his transformative experiences, including facing internal and congregational conflict, learning from failure, and recognizing the importance of faithfulness over success. The conversation underscores the significance of non-anxious leadership, listening, and remaining open to God's guidance.

Timestamps:

00:00 Welcome to The Pastor's Table: Introductions and Updates

01:36 Special Guest Introduction: Reverend Dr. Dan Meyer's Journey

03:38 From Affluence to Faith: Dan Meyer's Transformative Story

10:39 A Call to Ministry: Dan Meyer's Path to Pastoral Leadership

15:34 Leading Christ Church: Challenges and Growth

20:14 Overcoming Conflict and Embracing Humility

35:15 Reflections on Leadership and Looking Ahead

When Restoration Comes with Tim Doyle | Hamartiology | S6E9 Apr 08, 2024

Restoration is always possible.

Tim Doyle told God that he would go anywhere and do anything. God’s call brought Tim back to his hometown of St. Joseph, MO. Last week we covered the beginning of Tim’s surprising thrust into ministry.

Despite losing millions in property and facing personal attacks, Pastor Tim's story highlights themes of resilience, hope, and community impact. From starting over in a disadvantaged part of town to engaging in meaningful city restoration projects and ministering to marginalized groups, the conversation emphasizes the importance of enduring in ministry, relying on the Holy Spirit, and prioritizing family and mental health. The narrative illustrates the transformative power of faith and commitment to serve despite daunting obstacles.

Timestamps:

00:00 Welcome to the Pastor's Table: A Journey of Faith and Leadership

00:39 Pastor Tim's Story: Leading a Dying Church to New Beginnings

02:49 The Birth of Restoration: A Church Planted from Sacrifice

02:54 From Broadcaster to Pastor: An Unlikely Journey

06:18 Restoration Church: Reviving a City's Spirit and Heritage

14:12 The Restoration Project: Beyond Church Walls

16:10 A Pastor's Heart for Home: Embracing St. Joseph

18:16 Reaching the Marginalized: A Church for All

20:15 A Surprising Shift in Congregation Culture

20:30 The Harsh Reality of Drug Addiction and Recovery

21:45 Personal Connection to Addiction and Ministry Approach

22:32 The Power of Collaboration in Ministry

28:13 Expanding Ministry into the Prison System

30:56 Encouragement and Wisdom for Pastors

34:56 The Importance of Community and Endurance in Ministry

Thrust into Pastoring with Tim Doyle | Hamartiology | S6E8 Apr 01, 2024

It’s a unique situation to Pastor in your hometown. It’s even more unique when the opportunity unexpectedly presents itself.

Tim Doyle shares with Mark and Tara Beth about the challenge of leading a tumultuous and declining church. Ultimately their church made the difficult decision to leave their current denomination and work through a grueling lawsuit. Tim's journey is a testament to the resilience and faith required to navigate unforeseen challenges in ministry. As the episode unfolds, listeners gain insight into Tim's unwavering commitment to love and shepherd his congregation through adversity, highlighting the transformative power of steadfast leadership in the face of uncertainty.

Nurturing a Call to Ordination with Sherry Mitchell | Hamartiology | S6E7 Mar 25, 2024

Living a life filled with the values of God’s Kingdom requires imagination.

Much of the Church is plagued with a deficit of imagination about how God could use them in their lives. The role of women in particular faces a significant anemic imagination. Sherry shares her story of being faithful to a call that is leading her through the process of ordination and preaching more regularly at College Church.

Through deep reflection on theological convictions, challenges, and blessings encountered along the way, Pastor Sherry's narrative serves as a beacon of hope and encouragement for listeners navigating their own spiritual journeys. Join us as we explore the profound impact of humility, holiness, and surrender in ministry, celebrating Pastor Sherry's unwavering commitment to honoring her call and faithfully serving the Church.

Watch Sherry’s Message from College Church: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-qnN-UFipU

Resilience Amid Ministry Adversity with Sherry Mitchell | Hamartiology | S6E6 Mar 18, 2024

Hard things happen all the time in ministry.

What Sherry had to endure was more than hard. It was abusive and unacceptable. Despite all this adversity Sherry shares how she navigated all this pain and still could say that she still loves the church.

In the face of unimaginable challenges and profound pain, Sherry Mitchell's unwavering faith and commitment to her calling shine through. Her story serves as a beacon of resilience and strength, showcasing the transformative power of forgiveness and love in the midst of darkness. Through her unwavering dedication to the church, Sherry's journey inspires us to reexamine our own paths and find the courage to embrace hope and healing in the face of adversity.

The Power of a Confessing Church with Wayne Gordon | Hamartiology | S6E5 Mar 11, 2024

How can we keep ourselves from becoming cynical about the Church?

Coach Wayne Gordon continues the conversation with Tara Beth and Mark. They talk honestly about the many ways churches can be painful and fall short of the ideal set by Jesus. The process of confessing these faults is a powerful opportunity to be transformed to become more like Jesus!

Embracing humility is a courageous and bold step. Coach Wayne Gordon challenges the church to live and lead with this kind of humility. God always has worked through imperfect individuals and communities to bring about holy change. All sorts of sins from individual to institutional can be dealt with through Christ in the church.

Sin, Society, and Salvation: Navigating the Lawndale Church Journey with Wayne Gordon | Hamartiology | S6E4 Mar 04, 2024

What happens when a vision for God’s Kingdom gets taken seriously?

Filled with the Holy Spirit Coach Wayne Gordon retells the dynamic way God led a group of people that founded Lawndale Community Church.

Discover the transformative impact that has shaped the Lawndale community and understand why the Church, as God's change agent, holds a pivotal role in the contemporary world. Unravel the profound connection between the Church's foundation on the great commandment and its continued influence today.

Wayne Gordon points out that the Church in America was started on sinful grounds! Yet, despite all the presence of sin, God has been faithful to his promises and people to bring peace through God’s Kingdom!

How Much Sin Can The Church Accommodate? | Hamartiology | S6E3 Feb 26, 2024

Life in the church is a complex reality.

The Church is what it will become, yet it also has a here and not yet reality.

Acknowledging the tensions within, Beth, Mark & Tara Beth explore the coexistence of brokenness and Christ's presence in the Church. The discussion delves into the impact of sin, addressing the significant pain experienced, especially by church leaders. Despite the struggles, the hosts emphasize the transformative power of holiness manifesting in ordinary acts of goodness.

Discussion Questions:

How does the tension between the brokenness of humanity and Christ's presence in the Church challenge our understanding of holiness?
What role do individuals, especially those with influence, play in stewarding the authority bestowed upon them in the Church?
Reflecting on the analogy of the Church as the bride of Christ, how can we navigate the tensions between acknowledging the Church's flaws and recognizing its inherent beauty?

Is The Church Holy? | Hamartiology | S6E2 Feb 20, 2024

The Church is filled with tension. How does the brokenness of humanity found in the Church co-exist with being Christ’s presence in the world?

Sin has ravaged the church. The pain and fallout have been significant, especially among church leaders. Yet, the church will always be the place where messy people interact and work out their salvation from sin. Holiness often looks less spectacular and more ordinary acts of goodness.

Discussion Questions:

Beth, Mark & Tara Beth wrestle through some lofty discussions about sin and the holiness of church. How do you wrestle through these discussions that they bring up in this episode?
Beth brings up that capitalism is often brought up and at times negatively intertwined into the church as a “product.” What ways can this be unhelpful to live in the Kingdom as God described?
In the context of the Church's inherent tension and brokenness due to the impact of sin, how can the community navigate the challenge of being Christ's presence in the world while acknowledging and addressing the significant pain and fallout among church leaders?

What is Sin? | Hamartiology | S6E1 Feb 12, 2024

How does sin manifest itself in the world?

The inescapable nature of sin is felt in so many ways including the church. Whether it’s the pervasive brokenness in systems or grave offensives, God’s people are constantly bumping up against sin. Tara Beth & Mark talk with Beth Felker Jones about the way God intersects with the reality of sin in the world.

Discussion Questions:

The steadfast love of God remains constant even when we fail. How can we remind ourselves and others of God's steadfast love, even when we fail?
We’ve all experienced the abundance and pain of sin. What is the most obvious way you’re experiencing sin right now in your congregation?
Mark and Tara Beth suggest fostering transformation by modeling vulnerability, nurturing the imagination of the church's culture, and emphasizing confession and the need for Christ's grace. What are some ways we can model vulnerability, nurture the church's culture, and emphasize confession and the need for Christ's grace?

The Toll of Pastoring | Life in The Church | S5E4 Feb 05, 2024

Pastoring can be a pure gift and extremely challenging at the same time.

Dr. Mark Quanstrom has been the Sr. Pastor for just over 10 years. There have been a tremendous number of really good things that have happened but despite all the good, Mark shares how he also has never mourned as much over the challenges of pastoring in 2023.

Discussion Questions:

Mark shares how the best of times and hardest of times are happening simultaneously in the life of College Church. Describe a time when things have been both good and challenging.
Tara Beth and Mark talk about the toll pastoring has on a person. Things like doing a funeral for a friend who you are simultaneously mourning is a lot to process. How do you handle the emotions that come from situations like this?
“The only way I’m going to do this is to go all in relationships. Even if that means getting hurt and being uncomfortable.” How do you approach this dynamic with the relationships that Mark and Tara Beth discussed?

Never Lower Expectations | Life in The Church | S5E3 Jan 29, 2024

Is it possible for a honeymoon season never to end?

Mark & Tara Beth continue to discuss all the ups and downs of ministry. There has been no hiding the tumultuous season that Northern Seminary has navigated. In this episode shares about the leadership transitions, systemic challenges, and a commitment to redemption still present at Northern.

Sin has a destructive and pervasive presence in the life of every organization. Northern Seminary has been no exception and yet a vision to embrace an unwavering commitment to God’s Kingdom still persists.

Discussion Questions:

How would you answer the question of whether it is possible for a honeymoon season never to end?
What lessons do you pull from the experience Dr. Quanstrom shared about how Northern Seminary walked through its challenging systemic issues?
There is a lot of hurt and pain that is discussed in the events highlighted in this episode. What guides you when you engage with people who have been deeply hurt by institutions?

Leading Through a Denominational Change | Life in The Church Part 2 | S5E2 Jan 22, 2024

The honeymoon season at Tara Beth’s church ended with having to navigate leaving a denomination with her congregation.

This necessary change was hard for everyone but honesty and transparency helped guide them all into making it go as well as possible. In this episode, Tara Beth shares her experience and the internal challenges she faced during this transition. Mark and Tara Beth emphasize the importance of pastors being honest about their emotions while remaining brave. She organized a "Shepherd's Heart Live" event to address her congregation's concerns, and she highlighted the significance of unity and remaining faithful to one another, even amid tumultuous times.

Discussion Questions:

Fostering authenticity and allowing differing opinions can lead to a healthier church community. Why is creating an atmosphere of authenticity and allowing differing opinions in a church community important?
Moses and the Israelites faced lots of change. What can we learn from the example of Moses and the Israelites experiencing grumbling and challenges during times of constant change?
Mark and Tara Beth reflected on the importance of unity not being contingent on agreement but on fidelity to one another. What role does unity play in the face of disagreement within a church community?

Leaving a Denomination | Life in The Church | S5E1 Jan 16, 2024

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Tara Beth and Mark talk through the arduous process of Good Shepherd leaving their previous denomination. This monumental decision was fueled by denominational hierarchy and cultural differences, unfolded over a decade, with the climax occurring under Tara Beth’s young tenure.

Despite the initial hesitations and overwhelming negative voices, Tara Beth shared how she pastored the church through the process and followed the congregation's support. Both Mark & Tara Beth underscored the importance of focusing on supportive voices amidst a sea of doubt, while also acknowledging their commitment to being transparent about their experiences.

Discussion Questions:

Tara Beth explained that through town hall meetings and discussions, the church council navigated the tension between the congregation and denomination, leading to their decision to disaffiliate. How can open, honest communication help a congregation work through difficult decisions such as changing denominations?
It is so easy to let the loudest and most negative voices get the majority of your attention as a pastor. Why is it crucial for pastors to also focus on the positive feedback and support from their congregation?
Mark and Tara Beth discuss her role in leading the church through a complex and prolonged process. In challenging times, what principles of pastoral leadership do you find crucial? How can a pastor effectively guide a congregation through significant transitions while maintaining transparency and seeking support?

Reflections on the Grace of Ministry | 2023 Episodes in Review (Part 2) | S3E23 Dec 18, 2023

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Ministry is a gift. So many pastors are faithfully living out a call to follow Jesus in ministry.

In the final episode of 2023, Tara Beth, Mark, and Chaz reflect on the conversations that we were able to have that were designed to foster and lift the many pastors in located ministry. From being challenged in how we spend time with God to honoring the beautiful differences present in Christ’s bride, this episode highlights some of the highlights and reflections had from this year.

Thank you so much for you willingness to join us at the Pastor’s table this year! Looking forward to sitting with you around the table again in 2024!

Discussion Questions:

Reflecting on Your Ministry Journey: In the episode, we looked at the struggles and triumphs of pastoral ministry. Take a moment to share a personal experience from your ministry journey in 2023. What were the challenges, and where did you find moments of triumph?
The Power of Love in Ministry: Love is highlighted as a significant aspect of pastoral ministry. How has the role of love shaped your interactions and decisions in ministry this year? Can you recall a specific instance where the power of love made a notable impact?
Community and Pastoral Well-being: How has your sense of community contributed to your well-being as a pastor? Share examples of how being part of a supportive community has influenced your approach to ministry and personal resilience.

Timestamps:

00:33 Reflecting on the First Year of the Pastor's Table

02:34 The Importance of Reflection in Pastoral Ministry

04:00 The Power of a Great Morning Routine

04:16 The Struggles and Triumphs of Pastoral Ministry

07:44 The Role of Love in Pastoral Ministry

15:06 The Importance of Community in Pastoral Ministry

17:07 Looking Forward: The Future of the Pastor's Table

20:15 Closing Thoughts and Blessings

Lived Experience of Ministry | 2023 Episodes in Review (Part 1) | S3E22 Dec 11, 2023

God’s faithfulness and goodness are abundant in the call of ministry.

This whole year on the Pastor’s table has been inviting those in ministry to embrace the fullness of the call. Vanity metrics and comparison traps have robbed so many pastors the joy and blessings of ministry.

This year has been such a blessing getting to be with you on this journey! Thank you for joining us at the table!

Discussion Questions:

Vanity Metrics and the Joy of Ministry:
How have vanity metrics and comparison traps affected your perspective on ministry, and what steps can pastors take to rediscover the joy and blessings inherent in their calling?
Theoretical vs. Existential Challenges:
Reflecting on the discussion about theoretical and existential challenges in ministry, how can pastors navigate the tension between theological ideals and the day-to-day realities of leading a church? Share specific examples from your experiences.
The Role of Theology in Identity and Decision-Making:
How has your theological framework shaped your identity as a pastor, and in what ways has it influenced significant decisions in your pastoral leadership journey?

The Joy of Long-term Pastoring | Michael Burchfield (Part 2 of 2) | S3E21 Dec 04, 2023

With 36 years of experience as a lead pastor, Michael shares the highs and lows of his journey, including periods of growth, decline, and important decision-making for the community.

Through their conversation, they explore the significance of staying faithful to a congregation, even in the face of challenges and transitions. Mike's story serves as a powerful testament to the value of fostering deep relationships and practicing fidelity as a pastor.

They also delve into the benefits of long-term ministry, including the impact on family, the nurturing of multiple generations in the church, and the establishment of credibility in the community.

As the discussion unfolds, Tara Beth and Mark reflect on the importance of faithfulness, both to a local congregation and to the vocation of pastoring itself.

Whether you're a pastor seeking encouragement and wisdom or simply curious about the realities and rewards of long-term ministry, this episode of "The Pastor's Table" is sure to inspire and nourish your spirit. Tune in and be blessed by the insights and experiences shared on this engaging podcast.

Discussion Questions:

Michael's journey as a lead pastor spans 36 years, covering periods of growth, decline, and crucial decision-making. Reflect on the challenges and rewards of long-term ministry in your own context. How do you see the value of fidelity and commitment in sustaining a congregation through various seasons?
The episode emphasizes the significance of staying faithful to a congregation, even amid challenges and transitions. Share personal experiences or observations of how deep relationships and fidelity have impacted your local church community. In what ways have these elements contributed to the spiritual growth and resilience of the congregation?
Tara Beth and Mark discuss the benefits of long-term ministry, such as the impact on family, nurturing multiple generations, and establishing credibility in the community. Consider the role of family and generational connections in your church context. How does a long-term pastoral presence contribute to the overall health and credibility of a church within its community?

Timestamps:

01:20 The Impact of Changing Church Services

03:59 The Cost of Pastoral Decisions

04:58 The Challenges and Triumphs of the Next Decade

05:01 The Consistency of Pastoral Ministry

12:38 The Role of Relationships in Pastoral Ministry

14:30 The Importance of Faithfulness in Pastoral Ministry

16:47 The Call to Pastoral Ministry

21:17 Pastoring is Pastoring

23:52 Ending Well

The Rollercoaster of Ministry | Michael Burchfield (Part 1 of 2) | S3E20 Nov 27, 2023

It doesn’t take long serving in ministry to realize that there will be ups and downs in ministry.

Michael Burchfield takes Tara Beth & Mark through his journey, starting from his call to mission work in the Philippines to his struggles serving in an upper-middle-class community church in Silicon Valley. Against the backdrop of church growth, loss of members, personal burnout, and challenging pastoral realities, Burchfield admits to resigning from his position, before ultimately deciding to stay and continue his call in the very same congregation.

Discussion Questions:

Michael Burchfield's journey involves significant challenges, including personal burnout and a decision to resign from his pastoral position. Reflecting on your own experiences, how do you navigate challenges and burnout in ministry? What factors contribute to the decision to persevere or consider a change in direction?
Michael ultimately decided to stay and continue his call in the same congregation despite difficulties. How can the church community play a role in supporting and revitalizing ministers facing burnout or considering resignation? Share examples of how you've seen or experienced congregations effectively support their pastoral leaders during challenging times.
Michael's journey includes a transition from mission work to serving in an upper-middle-class community church in Silicon Valley. In your context, how does the cultural and socioeconomic setting impact the challenges and opportunities in ministry? Discuss practical ways to navigate and address the unique dynamics of diverse ministry settings, considering both mission work and congregational ministry.

Timestamps:

00:30 Michael’s Journey to Becoming a Pastor

01:57 Transition to Lead Pastor

13:42 Experience in Different Communities

14:39 Reflecting on Serving in an Upper Middle-Class Area

15:02 The Journey of 36 Years in Church

16:13 Challenges and Growth of the Church

17:10 Dealing with Pastoral Transition

17:34 The Church's Struggle and Recovery

20:41 Decisions that Affected Church Growth

23:00 The Impact of Transiency in the Community

23:33 Navigating the COVID Years

23:58 Facing Doubts and Questioning the Calling

27:29 The Resignation and Return to Ministry

33:44 Closing Remarks and Preview of Next Episode

Choosing Abiding Over Flawed Systems | Josh & Melissa Dees (Part 2 of 2) | S3E19 Nov 20, 2023

Flawed systems of ministry wreak havoc on everyone involved.

Any system involving people will always be filled with imperfections. That doesn’t mean it’s okay for systemic problems to be allowed to persist. Josh, Melissa, Tara Beth, and Mark discuss how these flawed systems that lack theological integrity contribute to burnout and fuel the pressure to perform.

Despite these challenges, Josh & Melissa share why they remain committed to their calling and seek to find healing, transformation, and a new way of approaching ministry that focuses on being rather than doing. A way of ministry that flows out of the rhythms of abiding in the love, grace, and sacrifice of Jesus.

Discussion Questions:

The discussion highlights the impact of flawed systems in ministry and how they contribute to burnout and the pressure to perform. In your own experience, how have flawed systems affected your perception of ministry, and what strategies or changes can be implemented to address systemic issues while maintaining theological integrity?
Josh and Melissa emphasize a commitment to healing, transformation, and a new approach to ministry that focuses on being rather than doing. How can the concept of "being" in ministry be practically applied in your context? What changes or adjustments might need to be made to prioritize the well-being of ministers and congregants over performance-driven expectations?
Ministry at its best is designed to flow out of the rhythms of abiding in the love, grace, and sacrifice of Jesus. How can leaders cultivate an environment where the rhythms of abiding are prioritized in ministry? Share practical ideas and examples from your own experiences that align with this vision of ministry.

Seeking Ministry Lifelines | Josh & Melissa Dees (Part 1 of 2) | S3E18 Nov 13, 2023

Serving in ministry is always filled with ups and downs.

Josh & Melissa share the many tumultuous times they faced in their short stint in ministry. Trying to faithfully serve the church has been filled with all sorts of challenges and difficult situations they weren’t ready to face. Josh & Melissa bravely share how these difficult moments provided a certain kind of grace for them to deal with some of their own personal wounds and seek lifelines.

Discussion Questions:

Josh and Melissa recount facing a variety of challenges and difficult situations they weren't prepared for. How can these challenging moments in ministry serve as opportunities for personal growth and healing for both ministers and congregants? Are there specific examples from your own experiences in ministry that reflect this idea?
Josh and Melissa discuss seeking lifelines during their ministry journey. What does seeking lifelines mean to you in the context of ministry, and how can pastors and church leaders support one another in finding the necessary support systems during challenging times?
The difficult moments Josh and Melissa faced in ministry provided a certain kind of grace for them. How do you understand the concept of grace in the midst of ministry challenges? Can you share instances where you've witnessed or experienced grace during challenging times in your own ministry or church community?

Staying Alive to God | Mindy Caliguire (Part 4 of 4) | S3E17 Nov 06, 2023

Pastors have a tremendous blessing and opportunity to help their congregations stay alive to God.

If this opportunity is to be fully realized it requires pastors to know their people. God has invited pastors to be the guides on a journey of where God is taking the community. Forming the life of God in your church starts with the leaders to be formed.

Everyone has the opportunity to experience God’s grace that brings inner peace. Mindy, Mark, and Tara Beth give leaders practical examples and reasons to hope that they can experience God’s grace in their calling.

Discussion Questions:

How do you see the role of a pastor in helping their congregation "stay alive to God"? What specific actions, practices, or approaches can pastors implement to better know their people and guide them on the journey of spiritual formation within the church community?
Mindy emphasizes the idea that forming the life of God within the church starts with the formation of its leaders. What steps can pastors take to prioritize their own spiritual formation and growth as leaders? How might their personal transformation influence the spiritual life of the congregation?
The podcast episode highlights the potential for everyone to experience God's grace and inner peace in their calling. In what ways can church leaders provide practical examples and reasons to inspire hope for their congregation? Have you personally witnessed or experienced God's grace and inner peace in your ministry, and how has it impacted your calling?

Pathways of Formation for a Community | Mindy Caliguire (Part 3 of 4) | S3E16 Oct 30, 2023

The people in your church are being formed by all sorts of sources.

Cultural Idols

Social Media

News Media

Work Demands and the list could go on …

Mindy Caliguire gives clarity on how pastors can enhance the vision of a formed life after Jesus. The people who are suffering from a poverty of imagination can be given guidance and tools on the journey of formation Jesus offers.

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Discussion Questions:

In a world where people are being influenced by a multitude of sources, how can pastors and church leaders effectively guide their congregations toward a vision of a formed life after Jesus? What specific challenges do you see in addressing the impact of cultural idols, social media, news media, and work demands on spiritual formation within your church community?
Mindy Caliguire emphasizes the importance of addressing the "poverty of imagination" in people's faith journeys. How can churches actively engage and equip individuals to develop a richer and more imaginative spiritual life in the context of today's distractions and influences? What practical strategies or tools can be implemented to facilitate this transformation?
Considering the diverse array of influences mentioned, what steps can pastors take to foster an environment where spiritual formation becomes a central focus for their congregation? How do you see your church community addressing these challenges and helping members embark on the journey of formation that Jesus offers?

From Self-Reflection to Formation | Mindy Caliguire (Part 2) | S3E15 Oct 23, 2023

Pastor’s leadership is capped at our self-reflection.

It is imperative for pastors to tend to our own souls. Mindy Caliguire provides 4 different practices of page, person, plan & place to tend well to our souls as leaders. Page is the invitation to reflection. Person to be ruthlessly honest. Plan is a rule of life to create intentional space for growth. Place is honoring the location God has placed us.

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Discussion Questions:

How does the concept of a "capped" leadership tied to self-reflection resonate with your understanding of effective pastoral leadership? In what ways can implementing the four practices of page, person, plan, and place, as outlined by Mindy Caliguire, help pastors overcome this limitation and enhance their leadership abilities?
The four practices mentioned—page, person, plan, and place—each play a distinct role in tending to the souls of leaders. Which of these practices do you find most challenging to integrate into your own life as a pastor or church leader, and why? Conversely, which one resonates with you the most, and how do you envision it positively influencing your leadership style?
Reflect on the significance of "honoring the location God has placed us" as one of the practices for tending to our souls as leaders. How can this practice be applied in your specific ministry context? What changes or adaptations might be needed to ensure that you are faithfully honoring your role and location as a pastor or leader in your church community?

A Foundation for Formation | Mindy Caliguire (Part 1) | S3E14 Oct 16, 2023

Loss is plaguing the church.

Congregants are leaving. Pastors are burning out. Loss of all kinds is painfully present in the church.

Many times people feel tending to a surrendered life of Christ is hard. Mindy Caliguire suggests that what is really hard is facing the pain of staying the same. There are so many pressures facing the church, but a community that tends to souls is possible.

Make sure to come back for the other episodes with Mindy to learn more!

Discussion Questions:

How does Mindy Caliguire's perspective on loss and the challenges within the church encourage us to reevaluate our approach to spiritual growth and transformation? What might be some of the obstacles that prevent congregants and pastors from engaging in this process effectively?
In what ways can we build and nurture a church community that focuses on tending to souls amid the various pressures of ministry? What practical steps and principles did you draw from this discussion to help address the present challenges within your congregation?
Reflecting on the idea that facing the pain of staying the same can be more challenging than the work of tending to a surrendered life of Christ, how can we cultivate a mindset and environment that embrace growth, change, and healing within our churches? What role can individual members and leaders play in making this transformation possible?

Outlasting Your Brilliance | Chris DeMott (Part 2) | S3E13 Oct 09, 2023

Pastors can easily be drawn to new opportunities.

Making a change and going with that opportunity might be full of wisdom or it could be a shortcut we take from a more faithful path serving in God’s Kingdom. No matter the decisions we make there is always a redemptive journey that God has for us.

God invites us to be good and faithful, not always successful in our pursuit of him.

Discussion Questions:

Reflecting on Chris DeMott's journey of two decades in the same rural church, have you ever faced a significant opportunity or change in your own life or ministry? How did you discern whether it aligned with God's plan, and what were the outcomes of your decision?
The podcast highlights the concept of "incremental steps of obedience." Can you share an experience where you witnessed the redemptive power of perseverance and faithfulness in your own life or within your faith community? What lessons did you learn from this journey?
In the pursuit of God's calling, it's emphasized that we're invited to be good and faithful, not always successful. How does this perspective shift our understanding of success in ministry and life? How can we better cultivate a faithful and obedient spirit in our daily walk with God?

Incremental Steps of Obedience | Chris DeMott (Part 1) | S3E12 Oct 02, 2023

Join us for an inspiring conversation with Chris DeMott, a devoted pastor who has dedicated two decades of his life to a small rural church in the heart of Michigan. Through "Incremental Steps of Obedience," Chris shares the remarkable journey of his ministry, unveiling the profound impact that patient, persistent obedience can have on a faith community.

Discover the powerful insights and invaluable lessons Chris has gathered along the way, as he reflects on the challenges and triumphs of shepherding a small congregation in a changing world. Gain a deeper understanding of the transformative power of faithfulness, even in the face of adversity.

Discussion Questions:

Chris said, "I’ve outstayed my expertise and brilliance." How did that phrase impact you? Where have you seen growth from saying past your expertise?
The conversation returned to the reality of the pastor’s call being salvific. After walking through a difficult season, Chris confessed that he needed the transformation more than anything. What are ways you’ve experienced transformation after walking through difficult seasons?
What do incremental steps of obedience look like in your ministry?

Communal Salvation of the Oppressed | Marshall Hatch (Part 2) | S3E11 Sep 25, 2023

What does salvation mean for those outside a cultural power structure?

The New Mount Pilgrim Missionary Baptist Church has been a community of salvation and liberation for decades. The Rev. Dr. Marshall Hatch discusses the theological convictions that have driven how transformation and liberation happen in the midst of their community. The transformation the New Mount Pilgrim Missionary Baptist Church is experiencing despite generations of atrocities is a beautiful testimony to the faithfulness and goodness of God.

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Discussion Questions:

Rev. Dr. Marshall Hatch shared many insightful moments from Black Church History. What was something you learned from this episode?
New Mount Pilgrim Missionary Baptist Church primarily ministers to those outside the cultural power structures of the day. How do cultural power structures impact your ministry?
How do you nurture a community of transformation and salvation in your congregation?

They’re not MY people … They’re God’s People | Marshall Hatch (Part 1) | S3E10 Sep 18, 2023

Rev. Dr. Marshall Hatch says he refuses to let the world turn him into a “marketer” and rejects the responsibility to get people to come to church.

They dive deeper into a conversation that explores how dangerous it is for pastors to make themselves too central to the church. If you have to believe what people say about you, you’re in trouble. There is a way to experience the waves of ministry that lets God remain in control of what only God can do and renews your strength in ministry.

Discussion Questions:

The episode started with a note from a pastor who has experienced the ups and downs of ministry. How would you describe some of the ups and downs of ministry you’ve experienced?
Marshall says that he rejects the responsibility to be a “marketer” for the church. How did his description talking about this hit you? Do you reject this kind of thinking?
Central to this conversation is the idea that a pastor can’t think too highly of themselves. How do you explain the impact of viewing your congregation as God’s people and not your people as helpful to this idea?

Called to Martyrdom | Seminary Now Course (Part 4) | S4E8 Sep 11, 2023

“Take up your cross and follow me.”

- Jesus (Matthew 16:24)

Ministry would be a lot easier if it wasn’t for this invitation by Jesus. If this invitation does anything, it shows that Jesus was only interested in followers who were all in.

Those who minister in the Western world live in a culture that urges people to believe that our comfort is God’s primary concern. Our churches are often formed more by entertainment and business management than formed by the cross.

Could it be that God calls those into the ministry through the way of the cross precisely because that is what is salvific?

Discussion Questions:

Most in ministry would agree with the idea that pastoring is challenging work. In your own words, describe why you find it to be difficult.
Mark talked about how churches are often more influenced by entertainment than formed by the cross. Where do you see this played out in the church? Anywhere in your church, you see this to be present?
If the cross is salvific then living the way of the cross in pastoral ministry is what makes the call salvific. How did this idea sit with you? How does it impact your view of ministry?

The Calling Into Ministry | Seminary Now Course (Part 3) | S4E7 Sep 04, 2023

Ministry is more than a job. Ministry is a calling.

Mark goes through the many Biblical examples of calling throughout the Old Testament and New Testament scriptures. The call often comes with great cost. Reluctancy is a common and understandable response to the many people called in the Bible. Even Jesus had reluctancy to do what He was called by the Father to do.

In this episode, Mark claims, “The only reason I’m a pastor is because God won’t let me go.”

Discussion Questions:

Mark highlights many examples of callings from the Bible. Which Biblical example of call do you most resonate with?
We can see that the call of God is a costly call. What would you describe in your terms as the cost of your call into ministry?
Mark claimed, “The only reason I’m a pastor is because God won’t let me go.” What do you think about this statement? How do you see God holding you in your calling?

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The Most Difficult Job in the World | Seminary Now Course (Part 1&2) | S4E6 Aug 28, 2023

Pastoral ministry is a difficult, demanding, and overwhelming vocation. Attrition rates for pastors are at an all-time high, and the cultural and interpersonal strain is only increasing. At the same time, the moral failings and hypocrisy of high profile Christian leaders cause many pastors to question their callings.

Can anything be done to alleviate the pressures of pastoral ministry?

This episode contains the 1st two parts of Dr. Mark Quanstrom’s Seminary Now course. It explores what it might look like for pastors in the American church to replace the faulty models of CEOs and celebrities and return to the path of Jesus as the example for pastoral ministry.

Discussion Questions:

There is no doubt that pastoring is a difficult challenge. What do you find to be the most challenging aspect of being a pastor?
Mark highlighted the many challenges pastors face. Which challenges do you find most pronounced?
Character matters when it comes to being a pastor. How does this reality impact you as you serve in ministry?

Cultural Pressures for Female Leaders | S4E5 Aug 22, 2023

A common thread found in our series exploring women in ministry is how easy it is to disqualify themselves from ministry opportunities. Many times this is because of cultural pressures.

Tara Beth & Mark, explore many cultural pressures that impact women in ministry. Processing the experience of women in ministry is a powerful and important practice to live out our calling to the full. Women possess the image of God and cultural pressures that discourage women from taking up their full call can and must be disentangled.

Discussion Question:

Women are often forced to code-switch in leadership situations. Where have you seen women have to code-switch?
Think about cultural pressures you may have been unaware of before listening to this episode. What cultural pressures can you now see in your church?
Mark and Tara Beth shared powerful stories of women being encouraged by other leaders to become a pastor. Tell of a time you’ve seen a woman encouraged in her call into ministry.

Embracing Women in Ministry | Melissa Pillman (Part 2) | S4E4 Aug 14, 2023

The representation of women in ministry is important to have a fully fledge imagination of what God wants to do through his people.

Explore the concept of incarnation ministry, where one's context and location play a vital role in fulfilling their calling. Discover the beauty of collaboration between men and women, reflecting the essence of Christ's vision for the church. Throughout the discussions, gain insights into the importance of slow discernment, active listening, and fostering supportive communities. As you listen, you'll be encouraged to embrace and amplify women's voices within the local church, creating a culture of inclusion and empowerment.

Join us on this transformative journey as we explore the impact of women in ministry and envision a church that celebrates diverse leadership.

Discussion Questions:

How can churches foster a culture that encourages women to explore their callings and gifts within the context of ministry? What steps can be taken to ensure that women are included and empowered in various leadership roles?
Melissa emphasized the importance of creative imagination when it comes to envisioning women in pastoral roles. How might we cultivate this imaginative perspective within our churches and communities? How can diverse representation positively impact our understanding of leadership?
The concept of incarnation ministry was highlighted, emphasizing the significance of engaging in ministry within one's context. How might this idea reshape our approach to calling and leadership, both for men and women? What are the benefits of being rooted in a specific community?
The pastors discussed the value of having both men and women collaborate in leadership roles, creating a "blessed alliance." How can churches actively promote and support this collaboration? What potential impact can this have on fostering a holistic understanding of God's mission?

Pioneering Female Leadership | Melissa Pillman | S4E3 Aug 07, 2023

Melissa Pillman broke new ground as a pastor within a complementarian church that turned egalitarian. In a world where traditional gender roles have often been emphasized, Melissa shares her experience of reshaping perceptions and expanding opportunities.

By embracing their calling and pioneering a path, they're not only demonstrating the richness of women's leadership but also cultivating a more inclusive and diverse church community.

Gain insights into the unique dynamics at play when women take on pastoral roles in complementarian churches. Discover how these pastors are fostering collaboration, fostering dialogue, and fostering positive change within their congregations. Whether you're a church leader, aspiring pastor, or simply curious about the evolving landscape of gender roles in faith communities, this episode offers valuable perspectives on charting a new course for female leadership.

Discussion Question:

Melissa said she had a mother’s heart for the church but all she was allowed to be was a nanny. Share about a time you were not able to do something in ministry you had a heart for.
The speakers in the episode discussed the transformative impact of women's leadership on congregations. Can you think of specific ways in which diverse leadership enriches a church community? Share examples of how you've seen this principle in action or ways you'd like to see it implemented.
Reflect on the balance between maintaining a respectful dialogue about differing theological perspectives and advocating for change within a complementarian church setting. How can individuals contribute to healthy conversations that lead to positive shifts in understanding and practice?

Motherhood in Ministry | Maria LeCrone | Women in Ministry (Part 1) | S4E2 Jul 31, 2023

‘How do you handle being a mom and being in ministry?’

This is one of the most common questions for women with kids who are serving in ministry. Maria was called into serving as a pastor while she had little children at home. Not only is it possible to merge motherhood with ministry. Motherhood can be an asset for your ministry.

Leading in any sort of capacity will have praise and criticism. It has been said, “If you live by their praise, you will die by their criticism.” Maria, Tara Beth, and Bethany discuss how making a strong community of peers is essential to being propelled into thriving in ministry.

Discussion Questions:

Who is a mother that you know who you deeply respect how they live out following Jesus?
In the podcast, they discussed how the nuclear family is designed to function as a part of God’s larger family. How do you foster this reality in your church?
It can be tempting for women to fight for the only leadership seat available for a woman at their church. What do you think can be done to expand the table to make room for more women?

Seeing Women as Pastors | Bethany Hammer | Women in Ministry (Part 1) | S4E1 Jul 24, 2023

Bethany Hammer and Tara Beth start the first part of a bonus series on women in ministry.

Many women have not explored what God might call them to do because they’ve never been given a vision. Mariane Elliott says, “If you can see it, you can be it.” Bethany shares her story of navigating having few examples of other women in ministry, yet finding her way to the call God had on her life.

Expand your imagination of women as pastors and learn more about what it looks like to nurture that imagination in other women. Women have always served in critical roles throughout God’s story. Today is no different and women deserve every opportunity to live fully into the call God has for them.

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Discussion Questions:

Bethany shared her background understanding of women in ministry. Describe the background narrative of women in ministry that has filled out your imagination.
What is your perception of the biggest challenge women face in living out the call that God has for their lives?
What does the church gain when women are supported to serve at their full capacity?

Why Stay? |S3E9 Jul 19, 2023

Pastoring a church is filled with many ups and downs.

There are moments of difficulty and moments of deep meaning and significance. In this episode, Mark and Tara Beth explore the question of why stay in ministry. Pastors face all sorts of challenges from disgruntled staff to people leaving over surprising reasons. Being sustained in ministry can be challenging but there is always hope when we take courage from the deep and rich theology of God’s Kingdom.

Mark mentions several recent conversations he has had with those who have faced challenging ministry situations. What loss have you experienced in ministry?
Tara Beth mentions how intentional pastors must be to not let ministry success be overly influenced by Key Performance Indicators that are antithetical to the gospel. How do you balance this tension?
How do you answer the question of why you stay in ministry?

Practices that Foster a Salvation Community | Brian Zahnd (Part 2) | S3E8 Jul 10, 2023

Word of Life experienced a significant transition while Brian Zahnd grew deeper in his theology was significant. Brian shares what his anchors were through this long period of transition. Tara Beth and Mark also unpack with Brian some of the practices their church is intentional about to foster a salvation community.

By prioritizing community, discipleship, and meaningful engagement, Tara Beth, Mark, and Brian discuss the essential ingredients for creating an environment where individuals can experience the transformative power of God's love and actively participate in the collective journey of faith.

Together, they unveil the significance of theology, practices, and intentional community-building in shaping and sustaining a vibrant and nurturing salvation community, emphasizing the profound role they play in guiding individuals through transitions and fostering spiritual growth within the context of a faith community.

Discussion Questions:

What season of transition in a church you’ve led comes to mind when you hear Brian talking about the transition they walked through? Reflect on that time now.
Brian mentioned having good friends as a key grace that helped provide stability while pastoring through change. Who are the peer friendships you’ve found to help be your support?
It is important to have practices true to one’s theological convictions. What practices are most important to your church and the formation of your church?

Transition to an Alternative Society | Brian Zahnd (Part 1) | S3E7 Jul 03, 2023

Why would the pastor of a large and thriving church risk everything in a quest to find a richer, deeper, fuller Christianity?

Tara Beth and Mark chat with Brian Zahnd about his journey of discovering deeper theology and leading Word of Life Church into greater theological integrity. He has been the pastor of World of Life for 41 years. There have been ups and downs on their journey but through their journey, they’ve been able to find a richer, deeper, fuller Christianity.

Discussion Questions:

Brian shares some major transitions through different theological convictions he held. What are times you’ve shifted theological perspectives while leading a church?
Brain faced opposition when he started questioning aspects of Christian nationalism. When is a hard time in ministry that congregation members reacted harshly to what you were preaching about?
Reading is an important practice to continue to consume rich theological ideas. What is the best theological resource you’ve read lately?

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Church Participation in Salvation | Glenn Packiam (Part 2) | S3E6 Jun 26, 2023

Encouter. Formation. Mission.

These 3 paradigms are how Rock Harbor church intentionally participates in salvation. It’s not a one-time event or transaction. Salvation is a culture that nurtures people into a relationship with God. Encountering God in this kind of relationship moves to formation and then outward to mission.

Glenn also talks with Mark and Tara Beth about programs like Alpha that they’ve utilized to foster evangelism and ways to create environments that nurture questions that lead people to God. The cultural moment churches are serving today requires sensitivity and mindfulness to be a place where people can be gently nudged toward the goodness of God.

Discussion Questions:

How does the paradigm of "Encounter-Formation-Mission" challenge traditional notions of salvation as a one-time event or transaction?
In what ways does this paradigm emphasize the ongoing nature of salvation as a transformative relationship with God? Between encounter, formation, and mission which does your church do best and where would you like more emphasis?
The podcast mentions the use of programs like Alpha to foster evangelism and create environments that nurture questions leading people to God. How can churches strike a balance between creating spaces for genuine inquiry and maintaining theological integrity?
How can churches cultivate a culture of openness and hospitality that encourages individuals to explore their questions and doubts about faith? Share examples of successful strategies or initiatives that have fostered an environment where people feel safe to ask questions and seek God.

Learn more about resilient pastor groups led by Glenn Packiam in partnership with Barna: https://www.barna.com/resilient-pastor-cohort/

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Resilience is more than Grit | Glenn Packiam (Part 1) | S3E5 Jun 19, 2023

How can pastors become resilient in a rapidly changing world? Is it possible to love well and lead faithfully? In the wake of crises that have exposed and accelerated massive cultural shifts, we see more clearly the seismic shifts of post-Christendom, the surging storms of a new paganism and pluralism, and the scattered debris of the cultural aftermath.

Glenn talks with Mark and Tara Beth about a vision for pastors rooting the source of their resilience in the resurrection of Jesus. Times are hard for pastors and it may get more challenging. There is a transformative grace available to church leaders. Without that grace, it’s impossible to be resilient.

Discussion Questions:

Glenn termed the phrase ‘fractional ecclesiology’ to describe how people often pick different elements or services of various churches. In what ways do you see this working out?
We experience salvation in community. It is a key way that makes a transactional soteriology fall apart. Where do you see a salvation that is formational be experienced in community?
Two hallmarks of pastors who keep their focus on the long game of ministry are having peer relationships and intentional counseling or spiritual direction. How are you doing in these areas?
Resilience is more than grit. It’s about the power of the resurrection made available to us through God’s grace. In what ways do you keep this front and center in your ministry?

Learn more about resilient pastor groups led by Glenn Packiam in partnership with Barna: https://www.barna.com/resilient-pastor-cohort/

Salvation & Worship | S3E4 Jun 12, 2023

The institutional pressures for growth and the emphasis on vanity metrics like attendance and finances can lead pastors to adopt a transactional view of salvation.

Tara Beth, Mark, and Beth explore the need for confession and the importance of incorporating it into worship services as a reminder of our continual need for God's grace. The episode highlights the challenge of cultivating a worship experience that focuses on relational formation rather than transactional salvation.

There is a way to cultivate worship services that reflect a view of salvation centered on relational formation rather than a transactional approach. This episode encourages churches to align their worship practices with their theological beliefs and resist the pressure to conform to a predetermined script. Being clear on what is salvation is essential because it will inevitably impact worship.

Discussion Questions:

How do institutional pressures for growth, such as measuring success through attendance, building, and cash, contribute to the temptation of reducing salvation to a transactional model? In what ways have you seen this play out in your own church or ministry context?
The hosts discuss the importance of confession as a foundational formation practice in Christian worship. However, they note that confession is often overlooked or considered a downer in many evangelical churches today. How does the omission of confession impact our understanding of salvation and our relationship with God? How might incorporating confession into our worship services help cultivate a more holistic view of salvation as relational formation?
The episode raises the question of how churches can resist the pressure to conform to a transactional model of salvation and instead foster worship experiences that align with their theological convictions. How can churches strike a balance between meeting the needs and expectations of their congregation while remaining faithful to a more holistic understanding of salvation? Share examples of practices or liturgies that you believe can help cultivate a worship environment that emphasizes relational formation rather than transactional metrics.

Transactional vs. Relational Salvation | S3E3 Jun 05, 2023

Relationships are messy. They have demands and are never linear experiences.

Salvation as a purely transactional experience is easy for Christians to latch onto. Christians from individualistic and capitalistic societies are more susceptible to this kind of thinking. The problem is that many theological problems arise in viewing salvation as only a transactional experience.

Tara Beth & Mark talk with Beth Felker Jones about the importance of viewing salvation as relational and transformational.

Discussion Questions:

An understanding of salvation is central to the understanding and practice of any church. How would you describe how your church understands salvation?
Salvation that is understood in the context of a relationship can’t help but be transformational. How have you seen transformation play out from a relational view of salvation?
In what ways does a transactional view of salvation limit our understanding of God's love and the depth of our relationship with Him?

Faithful to Salvation | S3E2 May 29, 2023

Pastors are at their best when they are true to their theological convictions.

All sorts of influences can lead pastors to sacrifice their theological integrity. When a pastor does church from a place incongruous with their deeply formed theological beliefs it never ends well. The result is often burnout in ministry.

God has called pastors to be more than cogs in a machine. God has called you to a particular theological tradition. Enjoy the gift of the calling God has given you.

Discussion Questions:

Mark shares about being drawn to the seeker-friendly model and tried implementing it. He finally felt this model was “wearing someone else’s shoes.” Have you ever had a similar feeling? What was that like for you?
Describe your theological convictions around salvation. In what ways do you see practices in your church come from these convictions?
Tara Beth talked about the power of authenticity and the ensuing spiritual authority. Where have you witnessed this spiritual authority Tara Beth described?

What if the Pastoral Call is Salvific? | S3E1 May 22, 2023

Pastoral ministry is challenging.

Mark and Tara Beth explore how times of challenge can often form pastors into greater Christ Likeness. God uses the tasks of pastoral ministry to develop his followers in the most powerful ways. The idea of salvation is so much more than a ticket to go to heaven. This whole season is about Soteriology and in this episode, we set the table.

Discussion Questions:

Mark asked the question that “What if the Pastoral Call is Salvific?” How does that resonate with or challenge you?
Oswald Chambers says, "God is at perfect liberty to waste you.” Do you agree or struggle with this quote? Do you think God cares more about the tasks you do or the person you are?
How do you find the work of pastoral ministry to be formative?

Faithfulness in Transitions | Pastoral Transitions (Part 2) | S2E19 May 15, 2023

In the middle of the worst ministry moments, maybe God has a story of redemption.

Tara Beth and Mark both talked about how they experienced God’s faithfulness in the midst of challenging transitions. Despite the uncertainty and hardship they encountered, they both found hope and redemption in unexpected ways. Through their experiences, they gained a deeper understanding of God's faithfulness and discovered the power of perseverance in the face of adversity. Join us as we explore the transformative power of faith in the midst of life's toughest moments.

Discussion Questions:

Tara Beth mentioned having a lot of maternal love for the congregation where she is Sr. Pastor. She described how she pastors through the lens of mothering. What did you learn from her perspective about Pastoring?
There were a lot of moving pieces that God put together for Tara Beth to now become the Pastor at Good Shepherd. How has God shown up and put pieces together in your stories of ministry transition?
Mark mentioned how he experienced God in museums. Where do you seek to experience God in painful moments?
Where are you experiencing God’s faithfulness right now?

Check out Mark’s course on Seminary Now: Pastoral Ministry: Calling and Resilience.

SeminaryNow.com is a streaming video platform with short courses from leading authors and professors. The Pastor’s Table listeners can get 25% off full access to the courses by using the code TPT.

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Discerning When to Stay and When to Go | (Pastoral Transitions - Part 1) | S2E18 May 08, 2023

Pastors need to transition in ministry all the time.

Tara Beth and Mark discuss the tough reality that many pastors face in the midst of transition. Often time seasons of transition are forced upon pastors in a less-than-ideal situations. Loneliness, anger, mistreatment, and many other things are all experiences pastors often have in seasons of transition.

Pastors aren’t destined to be treated as doormats. Get guidance on discerning when to stay and when to go in ministry.

Discussion Questions:

A listener left a message on thepastorstable.com about experiencing a dark season in ministry. What do you do when you feel alone or mistreated in ministry?
Mark and Tara Beth describe times when they’ve preached while angry. Have you ever realized you were preaching with anger or other emotions that could have been better proceed elsewhere? What did you do?
Think of a transition you’ve experienced in ministry. What helped guide you in your process of discernment and transition?

Check out Mark’s course on Seminary Now: Pastoral Ministry: Calling and Resilience.

SeminaryNow.com is a streaming video platform with short courses from leading authors and professors. The Pastor’s Table listeners can get 25% off full access to the courses by using the code TPT.

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Navigating Ministry Changes | Michael Palmer (Part 2) | S2E17 May 01, 2023

Weathering difficult storms in ministry is something most pastors have to navigate.

The journey of navigating ministry change is not easy work. Michael shared the ups and downs of all that he experienced in his ministry transition. No matter how challenging the situation, God is always faithfully present and working.

Discussion Questions:

Pastors are often the ones congregation members go to for their discernment. Who do you go to for spiritual discernment?
Michael shared about having a spiritual director to navigate these experiences. He shared how he is learning to trust his feelings more. How do you experience and make sense of the emotions you experience in ministry?
What is something difficult you’re facing right now in ministry? How can you let another person tend to your needs?

Check out Mark’s course on Seminary Now: Pastoral Ministry: Calling and Resilience.

SeminaryNow.com is a streaming video platform with short courses from leading authors and professors. The Pastor’s Table listeners can get 25% off full access to the courses by using the code TPT.

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Incarnation & Rejection in Prophetic Moments | Michael Palmer (Part 1) | S2E16 Apr 24, 2023

Michael felt called to speak about some really complex cultural issues of the day.

What happened became a painful journey with denominational conflict, the slow burn of very contentious communication, and the experience of grief from fractured relationships. The situation came to a point when he was even threatened to be suspended from his work.

Join us next week for the rest of Michael’s story.

Discussion Questions:

Mark observed how Michael’s church helped tend to him as their pastor. How have you experienced your congregation tending or not tending to your needs?
Michael talked about his idea of what ministry was going to be like and contrasted how what he experienced was much different. What are ways you’ve experienced similar differences?
Michael spoke prophetically into some very difficult topics of the day. What has been your experience trying to be loving and prophetic in the way God is calling you to be in your church?

Check out Mark’s new course on Seminary Now: Pastoral Ministry: Calling and Resilience.

SeminaryNow.com is a streaming video platform with short courses from leading authors and professors. The Pastor’s Table listeners can get 25% off full access to the courses by using the code TPT.

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The Good After Unmet Expectations | Sean Isaac Palmer (Part 2) | S2E15 Apr 17, 2023

Expectations of pastors by congregations can create situations where it’s painful and counterproductive to live like Jesus.

Even in moments when it feels like a failure, God is at work always inviting pastors into faithfulness. God’s redemption is often unexpected and surprising. Sean, Tara Beth, and Mark discuss how one can process what faithfulness in ministry looks like.

Discussion Questions:

Sean discusses a tumultuous time in a ministry that wasn’t a good fit. Have there ever been a time in your life when you’ve felt you’ve attempted to do ministry with a bad fit?
Doing the next right thing is often all that Jesus is asking of pastors. What are you processing as the next right thing to do now?
“Playing the game” is a temptation to all in ministry. How are you tempted to play the game in your ministry?
Faithfulness was discussed a lot in this episode. Describe how you understand faithfulness in ministry.

Check out Mark’s new course on Seminary Now: Pastoral Ministry: Calling and Resilience.

SeminaryNow.com is a streaming video platform with short courses from leading authors and professors. The Pastor’s Table listeners can get 25% off full access to the courses by using the code TPT.

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The Perception of “Failure” in Ministry | Sean Palmer (Part 1) | S2E14 Apr 10, 2023

Ministry can often have pressure to be successful in a way that may be counter to the way Jesus chose to minister.

Sean Issac Palmer speaks very openly about a situation where he experienced a painful release from a church. The perception of failure as Sean discussed can be an enormous burden for pastors. Hope is possible when we honor our limitations and fill our lives with pastoral friendships that help provide the safe place all people need.

Discussion Questions:

Sean talked about how Pastors can be a convenient receptacle for people’s pain. How do you see that play out in your ministry?
A youth pastor had a major influence on him when he was younger. Who were the greatest influences in your developmental years?
Sean talked about the pain of being let go from a church. Many times this is so painful because the pastor has few people she or he could turn to. Where do you find yourself going to navigate the most difficult aspects of ministry?

Check out Mark’s new course on Seminary Now: Pastoral Ministry: Calling and Resilience.

SeminaryNow.com is a streaming video platform with short courses from leading authors and professors. The Pastor’s Table listeners can get 25% off full access to the courses by using the code TPT.

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The Impact of Institutionalized Sin | *Special Series* Northern Seminary & Systemic Sin (Part 3) | S2E13 Apr 03, 2023

All creation is groaning under the burden of sin.

Sin is much more than an individual's bad behavior. The insidious nature of sin has impacted every element of creation. That destructive nature of sin is found in all institutions and has harmed many.

Many times institutions have found to be more interested in protecting and advancing “the mission” than actually caring for people. What if people actually were “the mission”?

Discussion Questions:

How would you describe the burden of sin on the structures found in the world?
Where do see systems at work that create unintended but harmful results for those in the system?
Beth, Tara Beth, & Mark talked about how people can be wounded at the expense of propelling an institution’s mission. How have you seen this at play from your experience?

Check out Mark’s new course on Seminary Now: Pastoral Ministry: Calling and Resilience.

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Personal Sin & Confession | *Special Series* Northern Seminary & Systemic Sin (Part 2) | S2E12 Mar 27, 2023

Sin is ubiquitous. There is no escaping the impact of sin in the world we live in.

It is not IF Christian leaders sin but WHEN. That is why the practice of confession is so important.Confession is essential to living as a follower of Jesus. Even though the world propels us to live with a posture that we have it all together, sin is inevitable.

There is no way to live and shepherd like Jesus without regularly confessing sin.

Discussion Question:

The world propels us to live with the posture that we have everything together. How do you feel this at work in your life?
How much are we able to not sin? Mark, Tara Beth, & Beth explore this question. What does your theology about sin help inform this question?
It is important to create safe spaces of confession to deal with sin. Why do you think confession is so important in the role of sanctification?
We all have a longing to justify ourselves. How have you experienced relaxing into the justification of Christ?

Check out Mark’s new course on Seminary Now: Pastoral Ministry: Calling and Resilience.

SeminaryNow.com is a streaming video platform with short courses from leading authors and professors. The Pastor’s Table listeners can get 25% off full access to the courses by using the code TPT.

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*Special Series* | Moment to Lament | Northern Seminary & Systemic Sin (Part 1) | S2E11 Mar 20, 2023

Northern Seminary is journeying through a distressing time.

Mark & Tara Beth interrupt the normal broadcast to address the issues facing Northern. Northern Seminary is an organization that has drawn many students & faculty to study because of its goodness.

For many Northern represented being an island of goodness in a world surrounded by misery. Mark and Tara Beth discuss how an organization that trains women and men for service in God’s Kingdom can be so impacted by the problem of systemic sin.

Incarnational Care | Rob Prince (Part 2) | S2E10 Mar 13, 2023

The holiest work of God’s Kingdom often happens in unseen spaces.

Rob Prince shared with Mark and Tara Beth about the way Rob and his wife Carla have been caring for one of their congregation members with terminal cancer.* There is little benefit that Rob & Carla’s friend with terminal cancer can give back to them but it is obvious that their care is a true example of the incarnation.

*Rob and Carla's dear friend Lisa passed on 3/13/23. Our thoughts and condolences are with them and their congregation in Flint Michigan.

Discussion Questions:

How does the incarnation inform the way you care for your congregation?
Rob shared how he and his wife Carla brought Lisa into their home. They helped provide palliative care as Lisa lived with terminal cancer. Rob mentioned Lisa’s joy in the face of her pain. In what ways do you see your congregation experience joy in the face of pain?
Rob, Mark, & Tara Beth, shares what care looks like for someone who might be considered “the least of these.” What do you notice that happens in your heart when you care for people who have no way to give back?
Rob & Carla cared for their friend Lisa in “unseen spaces.” How have you seen God work through your church in unseen spaces?

Pastoring with Pain | Rob Prince (Part 1) | S2E9 Mar 06, 2023

Rob Prince has pastored for over 30 years with chronic migraines.

His migraines have been a limitation on his life and ministry. Rob, Mark, and Tara Beth explore how Jesus willingly embraced limitations in the incarnation. The reality of the incarnation provides a profound vision of the way all pastors can serve through their own pain. Even though God has not taken away Rob’s migraines, Rob’s testimony is one of God’s continued grace and faithfulness in the midst of challenging circumstances.

Discussion Questions:

Mark and Tara Beth start out the conversation by talking about how the incarnation means Jesus subjected himself to work and live with limitations. Do you feel liberated by the idea that Jesus worked out of limitations?
Rob shared about the pain from migraines that he has while pastoring. How do you make sense of the pain you face while leading in a church?
Rob has prayed for the migraines to end but they continue to persist. How do you navigate walking through seasons of asking for God to bring relief but the pain continues to persist?
Ash Wednesday can bring a challenging reminder that one day we will die. In what ways does this reminder of your mortality impact how you pastor?

Check out Mark’s new course on Seminary Now: Pastoral Ministry: Calling and Resilience.

SeminaryNow.com is a streaming video platform with short courses from leading authors and professors. The Pastor’s Table listeners can get 25% off full access to the courses by using the code TPT.

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How Human Was Jesus? | Dr. Beth Felker Jones | S2E8 Feb 27, 2023

The mystery of the incarnation can be disorienting but it also holds tremendous blessings.

Dr. Beth Feker Jones dives deep into the question of how human was Jesus. Did he get sick? Was he able to sin?

Jesus unquestionably loves our bodies because he lived life on earth with a body. Understanding the depths of the incarnation helps us understand the impact it can have on our daily lives. Jesus is holding space for your physical body and he wants you to live well the life He has for you.

Discussion Questions:

The conversation today was all about the question of how human was Jesus. How would you answer that question?
Mark asks Beth all sorts of questions about the humanity that Jesus experienced. What does the human experience of Jesus mean to you as a follower of Jesus?
You’ve probably heard many different interpretations of John 10:10 about “live to the full.” How does Jesus’ experience of a human life help you understand this passage more profoundly?
Jesus holds us in our physical space. Where is Jesus holding space for what is going on in your body right now?

Check out Mark’s new course on Seminary Now: Pastoral Ministry: Calling and Resilience.

SeminaryNow.com is a streaming video platform with short courses from leading authors and professors. The Pastor’s Table listeners can get 25% off full access to the courses by using the code TPT.

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Practicing Christian Doctrine | Dr. Beth Felker Jones | S2E7 Feb 20, 2023

Good practice is good for good theology, and good theology is good for good Christian practice.

Dr. Beth Felker Jones rejoins the conversation and explores the interaction between Christian theology and Christian practice. Discover how they’re not isolated components of faith. Rather, there is a deep and significant interplay between the two.

Questions:

It was discussed that good practice is good for good theology. How do you see practice impacting what you believe?
Beth Felker Jones suggests that the Spirit works in each individual and fully interacts with our full body. How did that encourage your relationship with God?
What did you learn about combing the corporate with the individual reality of God’s desire to be present?
The practice of prayer was discussed as a critical rhythm to sustaining and forming good theology. In what ways did that part of the discussion help you think about prayer?

Check out Mark’s new course on Seminary Now: Pastoral Ministry: Calling and Resilience.

SeminaryNow.com is a streaming video platform with short courses from leading authors and professors. The Pastor’s Table listeners can get 25% off full access to the courses by using the code TPT.

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What Does The Incarnation Mean For Pastors? | S2E6 Feb 13, 2023

We don’t need to forsake our humanity to be Pastors.

There are so many sources pastors use to help establish their identity. Tara Beth and Mark explore the depths of what it means to truly consider the incarnation of Christ to form our identities as Pastors.

We have a right to be confused. We have a right to have a crisis of faith, even as pastors.

Discussion Questions:

After listening to this episode, what does the incarnation mean for you as a pastor?
Tara Beth and Mark shared how Pastors often struggle with the feeling to have it all together. Can you identify what drives that for you in your life?
Is being honest with your congregation something you’ve been able to do with your congregation? If so, what was your experience like sharing honestly with your church?
Mark confessed he wakes up despondent on many mornings. What do you do when you experience the weight of humanity?

Check out Mark’s new course on Seminary Now: Pastoral Ministry: Calling and Resilience.

SeminaryNow.com is a streaming video platform with short courses from leading authors and professors. The Pastor’s Table listeners can get 25% off full access to the courses by using the code TPT.

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The Inefficiency of Incarnation | Jay Y. Kim (Part 2) | S2E5 Feb 06, 2023

Fruit takes time to produce. You can’t microwave the experience.

Jay Y. Kim talks with Mark & Tara Beth about the realization that incarnational ministry like Jesus can often feel “inefficient” and slow. However, it’s in that approach to ministry that God does His most profound work. Could it be that in our efforts to stay relevant in our digital age, we've begun to give away the very thing that our age most desperately needs: transcendence? Could it be that the best way to reach new generations is in fact found in a more timeless path? Could it be that at its heart, the church has really been analog all along?

Jay, Mark, and Tara Beth talk about all these questions and more on this episode of The Pastor’s Table.

Discussion Questions:

Jay talks about how they create “lingering spaces” around their services. What are the lingering spaces present in your church?
Jay, Mark, and Tara Beth talk about how the church is not to be a content generator. Rather, the church is an embodied faith where a community of people are formed. How do you feel about the church being called away from being a content generator and suggesting it should be focused on fostering a community of faith?
Jesus participated in “inefficient” ministry work. Do you feel in your ministry context you can participate in ministry like Jesus?

Check out Mark’s new course on Seminary Now: Pastoral Ministry: Calling and Resilience.

SeminaryNow.com is a streaming video platform with short courses from leading authors and professors. The Pastor’s Table listeners can get 25% off full access to the courses by using the code TPT.

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Analog Church | Jay Y. Kim (Part 1) | S2E4 Jan 30, 2023

Technology has led us to be more disembodied.

Jay Y. Kim has observed all these trends and more from his time living and pastoring in Silicon Valley. He also talks about his journey of deconstruction and how his community of faith helped nurture him along on his journey to experience Jesus more fully. Incarnation means physical presence matters.

Discussion Questions:

What are your initial thoughts on comparing and contrasting analogy vs. digital church?
Jay talks about a process of deconstruction and reconstruction of his faith. Have you gone through any experience like this? If so what helped guide you through the experience?
We are deeply impacted by the stimulus around us. What would you say are most influencing the people in your church?
They talked about Dallas Willard’s famous quote that says, “Grace is not opposed to effort, it is opposed to earning.” How do you see this reality of grace play out in the life of your church?

Check out Mark’s new course on Seminary Now: Pastoral Ministry: Calling and Resilience.

SeminaryNow.com is a streaming video platform with short courses from leading authors and professors. The Pastor’s Table listeners can get 25% off full access to the courses by using the code TPT.

Our theme song for The Pastor’s Table is Radiant by eleven eleven worship. LISTEN NOW on Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you get your music.

Sanctified Differences | Jenni Wong Clayville (Part 2) | S2E3 Jan 23, 2023

Jesus’ vision for the church was never for it to be a group of people who look and think exactly alike.

Jenni unpacks with Mark and Tara Beth about her unique experience of pastoring as an Asian American Woman. What she helps us see is that the Incarnation of Christ suggests that Christ sanctifies our differences. Serving as the person God has created you to be will give others the confidence to serve fully in the Kingdom.

Discussion Questions:

Who have you seen in the Kingdom of God that helped you feel like you could belong and serve in God’s Kingdom?
Mark suggests that Jesus may look more like Danny Devito than the image of Jesus in our mind. Describe Jesus’ physical description in your own words.
Jenni talked about serving and disciplining one on one. How do you view being present to the people in front of you in your local congregation?
The ministry challenges Jenni described from serving in Washington D.C. were unique to her location but also probably had similarities to yours. What were the similarities and differences you noticed?

Check out Mark’s new course on Seminary Now: Pastoral Ministry: Calling and Resilience.

SeminaryNow.com is a streaming video platform with short courses from leading authors and professors. The Pastor’s Table listeners can get 25% off full access to the courses by using the code TPT.

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Incarnation Means Embracing the Mess | Jenni Wong Clayville (Part 1) | S2E2 Jan 16, 2023

The call to follow and serve Christ is a call to the Church.

Jenni Wong Clayville reminds us that we bring what is both wrong and beautiful into the church. Anyone who has served in ministry knows ministry can be messy. Jenni invites those in ministry to embrace this mess with humility and serve God faithfully.

She helps give pastors a vision to serve in a way where we love God. Love each other and figure life out with our church communities.

Discussion Questions:

Jenni and Mark talk about how we can easily have a romanticized view of 1st-century churches. How would you describe your view of the early Christian communities seen in the New Testament?
Embracing the mess of real life was a theme that kept coming up in the conversation. What do you do to embrace the mess in your ministry?
Jenni shared with great honesty how she had to code-switch to the dominant culture as an Asian American. What did you learn about code-switching from her experience?
Tara Beth shared about embodying Jesus’ Kingdom means being willing to expand the table. Where could you expand who is around your table?

Check out Mark’s new course on Seminary Now: Pastoral Ministry: Calling and Resilience.

SeminaryNow.com is a streaming video platform with short courses from leading authors and professors. The Pastor’s Table listeners can get 25% off full access to the courses by using the code TPT.

Our theme song for The Pastor’s Table is Radiant by eleven eleven worship. LISTEN NOW on Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you get your music.

Incarnation | Setting the Table with Dr. Beth Felker Jones | S2E1 Jan 09, 2023

Why does the incarnation matter in the life of the church?

The American church has been overwhelming gnostic. Beth Felker Jones talks with Tara Beth & Mark about why the incarnation matters and how the implications of God in flesh can be lived out in communities who follow Jesus.

Discussion Questions:

When you hear the word “incarnation” what first comes to mind?
Jesus came to a “particular” location in His incarnation and that means your location matters. How does that make you feel about your ministry context?
Every human bears the image of God. How does the incarnation help you better see the image of God in your congregation?
What does it mean to you that the incarnation enables you to know God as a person?

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The Danger of Ignoring Theological Integrity | S1E3 Dec 23, 2022

Countless pastors have flamed out, burned out, or behaved in such a way that has disqualified them from ministry.

In this episode of the Pastor's Table Mark & Tara Beth talk more about what is theological integrity and why it is crucial for the life of pastors. The deception is subtle and dangerous when pastors are pulled from being faithful to a theological vision.

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Discussion Questions:

How would you describe the importance of theological integrity in your own words?
Where do you wish your church had more of a theological vision?
Tara Beth mentioned the sharp decline in trust in the clergy. Do you agree that the decline is in connection to the lack of theological integrity? Why or why not?
Where could you allow certain theological convictions to have a great impact on your church’s practices?

Check out Mark’s new course on Seminary Now: Pastoral Ministry: Calling and Resilience.

SeminaryNow.com is a streaming video platform with short courses from leading authors and professors. The Pastor’s Table listeners can get 25% off full access to the courses by using the code TPT.

Our theme song for The Pastor’s Table is Radiant by eleven eleven worship. LISTEN NOW on Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you get your music.

Ministry From a Theological Vision | S1E2 Dec 23, 2022

Pastors are often thrust into a system that prioritizes pragmatic results over faithfulness to a theological vision.

Paying attention to theological integrity has a tremendous opportunity to bring healing and vitality to the life and ministry of pastors. In this episode, Mark and Tara Beth explore how The Pastor’s Table Podcast will explore this vision and equip pastors to serve faithfully.

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Discussion Questions -

Do you ever feel pressured to prioritize pragmatic results in ministry? If so, where is this pressure felt the most?
Tara beth and mark talked about giving pastors permission to lead as themselves. How does that make you feel?
How would you describe the interaction between theology and practice in your church?
What would you say are the most formative forces in your church?

Check out Mark’s new course on Seminary Now: Pastoral Ministry: Calling and Resilience.

SeminaryNow.com is a streaming video platform with short courses from leading authors and professors. The Pastor’s Table listeners can get 25% off full access to the courses by using the code TPT.

Our theme song for The Pastor’s Table is Radiant by eleven eleven worship. LISTEN NOW on Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you get your music.

Welcome To The Pastor's Table | S1E1 Dec 23, 2022

Can ministry really be a gift?

Even though ministry is riddled with challenges and filled with difficulty, Mark and Tara Beth share their stories of finding hope in ministry. The Pastor's Table helps you embrace your ministry as a gift!

In the 1st episode, Mark and Tara Beth talk about their journies in ministry and why pastors need to gather and discuss the importance of theological integrity!

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Discussion Questions -

Mark & Tara Beth share their stories of being called into ministry. What is your story of being called to ministry?
What have been your most meaningful moments in ministry?
When has ministry been the most difficult for you?
What do you hope to get out of this podcast?

Check out Mark’s new course on Seminary Now: Pastoral Ministry: Calling and Resilience.

SeminaryNow.com is a streaming video platform with short courses from leading authors and professors. The Pastor’s Table listeners can get 25% off full access to the courses by using the code TPT.

Our theme song for The Pastor’s Table is Radiant by eleven eleven worship. LISTEN NOW on Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you get your music.

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