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    The Other 22 Hours

    An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between.

    A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world.

    Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From navigating doubt to finding stillness, this is the reality of the work. Unfiltered.

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    Malin Pettersen on cultural duality, impermanence, and privilege. Nov 12, 2025
    Show notes

    Malin Pettersen is a Norwegian singer-songwriter and Spellemannprisen winner (Norwegian Grammy), who has released multiple solo records as well as records with her band, Lucky Lips, has toured extensively throughout Europe and America, and has been acclaimed by Rolling Stone, Forbes, No Depression, Paste and even Iris Dement is a fan. We talk with Malin about the illusion of success, cultural duality between Norway and America, the Norwegian government's support for artists, embracing uncertainty, doubt, and struggle, and so much more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Malin Petterson
    • Ep 123 - Dave Haus
    • Darling West
    • Ep 69 - Lilly Hiatt
    • Jansen Records
    • Ep 128 - Flyte
    • Ezra Klein x Ta-Nehisi Coates conversation
    • “Just Kids” - Patti Smith

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Jillian Jacqueline on identity, motherhood, and creative renewal. Nov 05, 2025
    Show notes

    Jillian Jacqueline has released 4+ records/EPs on both major and independent labels, she started performing at 8 years old, had a charting song at 12 (with Billy Dean and Suzie Bogguss), has worked with Vince Gill, Suzy Bogguss, Richard Marx, Keith Urban, and Shane McAnally, played the Grand Ole Opry, and toured all over the world. We talk to Jillian about redefining success, industry expectations, motherhood and artistry, maintaining integrity, building community, challenging your identity, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    • Jillian Jacqueline
    • Ep 77 - Madi Diaz
    • Ep 66 - Sean and Sara Watkins
    • Laura Marling
    • Ep 3 - Milk Carton Kids
    • Ep 11 - Lucius

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Flyte on commodification, British repression, and conveyer belts. Oct 29, 2025
    Show notes

    Flyte are the British duo of songwriters Will Taylor and Nicolas Hill, who started creating together in grade school before signing to a major label (Island Records), leaving that for indie labels (Nettwerk), working with producers such as Ethan Johns, and collaborating with the likes of The Staves, Laura Marling, and Madison Cunningham. We talk with them about a lot of the inner workings of their songwriting practice and approach to record making, classic British emotional repression, coping, creative confusion, commodification, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Flyte
    • Blackaby
    • Nick Lowe
    • Yep Roc
    • Eleanor Moss
    • Real World Studios
    • Ethan Johns
    • Glyn Johns
    • Sigrid
    • Ep 119 - Dan Reeder
    • BBC Radio One

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Lera Lynn on identity, sexism, and finding creative power. Oct 22, 2025
    Show notes

    Lera Lynn has released 8+ records, written and recorded songs for True Detective (HBO) with T-Bone Burnett and Rosanne Cash (as well as being cast as a character), played Late Night with David Letterman, toured extensively nationally and internationally, and has been praised by NPR, Rolling Stone, Nylon, and other outlets. We go deep with Lera on learning and setting your own boundaries with yourself and with the industry, lived experiences with the impact and bias against women and mothers by the music industry, losing your sense of purpose and finding it again, enjoying yourself, and more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Lera Lynn
    • True Detective
    • Korby Lenker
    • Daniel Tashian
    • Ep 126 - Yancey Strickler
    • Ep 27 - Mary Gauthier
    • Jillian Jacqueline
    • Ep 107 - Caitlyn Smith

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Revolutionizing the Creative Economy with Yancey Strickler. Oct 15, 2025
    Show notes

    Yancey Strickler is a writer and entrepreneur that co-founded Kickstarter (and was CEO for 3 years), Metalabel, The Creative Independent, and A-Corp (Artist Corporations). Essentially, each of these ventures exist to equip creative people with capabilities, knowledge, and tools that make them more powerful. We cover the different facets of this at length, especially his concept of, and push to create Artist Corporations, the systemic exploitation of artists, how DSPs trade convenience for meaning and depth, platform boycotts, "winning" in it's purest sense, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Yancey Strickler
    • A-Corps
    • MetaLabel
    • The Creative Independent
    • Hipgnosis
    • Nirvana
    • The Royal Alberta Advantage
    • Ep 68 - Evan Honer
    • “All The King’s Men”
    • Virgil Abloh
    • Bentoism
    • CS Lewis - “The Inner Ring”

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Josh Radnor on first drafts, internal weather, and artistic generosity. Oct 08, 2025
    Show notes

    Josh Radnor is an actor, director, writer, singer/songwriter best known as Ted Mosby from the TV show 'How I Met Your Mother'. In addition to 9 seasons of the hit show, he has written and directed multiple films, appeared on Broadway, released multiple solo records of original music, and has a duo with Australian singer/songwriter Ben Lee. We talk to Josh about giving yourself permission to believe in yourself, checking your internal weather and seasons, ayahuasca, the complications and complexities of fame, undervaluing ease, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Josh Radnor
    • Radnor and Lee
    • Jeremiah Dunlap
    • “Liberal Arts”
    • “John and Paul: A Love Story”
    • Robert Bly
    • Ep 56 Guster (Ryan Miller)
    • Kyle Cox
    • Jeff Tweedy - “Let’s Go (So We Can Get Back)”
    • Stephen Pressfield - “The War of Art”
    • Al Hirschfeld
    • Ex Machina
    • Judith Light
    • Gay Hendrix - “The Big Leap”

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    AJR on laughing at yourself, failing quickly, and reading the comments. Oct 01, 2025
    Show notes

    AJR are a multi-platinum trio of brothers who started busking in NYC in 2005, and have gone on to release 10 records/EPs (mostly independently, with only 1 major label release), rack up 8+ platinum singles (some multi) and 1 platinum record, nominations for Billboard, iHeartRadio, and American Music Awards, and tours selling out places such as Madison Square Garden and the Hollywood Bowl. We talk with Jack and Ryan about vulnerability as strength, being able to laugh at yourself, failing quickly and moving on, staying fresh and agile creatively, connecting on a human granular level, surviving the comment section, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • AJR
    • Ep46 - Mary Chapin Carpenter
    • Chris Martin

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    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Dave Hause on blue collar, anticipation, and minor tweaks. Sep 24, 2025
    Show notes

    Dave Hause's spans 30+ years, from Philly-based punk and hardcore bands (like Paint it Black and The Loved Ones) to his solo career, dozens of records and world-wide touring, and starting his own label with his brother called Blood Harmony Records. We talk with Dave about the blue collar work of a creative career, showing up and doing the work, the role and power of anticipation in a creative career, breathing, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Dave Hause
    • Blood Harmony Records
    • Chuck Raegan
    • Will Hoge
    • Jared Hart

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Hayes Carll on journaling, divesting from outcomes, and self solidity. Sep 17, 2025
    Show notes

    Hayes Carll is a Grammy nominated songwriter from Texas, who has appeared on everything from The Tonight Show to Austin City Limits, is championed by The New York Times, Pitchfork and NPR, and has had his songs covered by Kenny Chesney, Lee Ann Womack, Brothers Osborne, Kelly Willis, and the Hard Working Americans. We talk with Hayes about morning routines and self-care on the road, breaking your audience's stereotypes of a former you, journaling, and divesting from outcomes.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Hayes Carll
    • Ep 7 - BJ Barham (American Aquarium)

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Tami Neilson on fake rules, expiry dates, and champions. Sep 10, 2025
    Show notes

    Tami Neilson is a New Zealand-based artist who grew up in a family band, before releasing her own music independently - which has garnered acclaimed by Rolling Stone, No Depression, Mojo, and the Guardian, featured duets with Willie Nelson (and tours with him and Dylan), as well as a New Zealand Music Award for Producer of the Year (one of just 3 women to ever win the award, in any category). We have a wide-ranging, and deeply vulnerable conversation about brain injuries and health scares, the astounding resilience of artists, finding your champions, gate keepers, bucking stereotypes, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Tami Nielson
    • Branson Belle Showboat
    • Ep 113 - Johnnyswim
    • Hardly Strictly Bluegrass Festival
    • American Music Festival
    • Outside Music
    • Wynonna Judd

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


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