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    Religion & Spirituality

    The Numinous Podcast

    The Numinous Podcast is a show about intuition, spirituality and the mystery of life. The host, Carmen Spagnola, is an intersectional witch and clinical hypnotherapist who has smart, soulful conversations with interesting people. The lineup is diverse, the topics are eclectic, and the people are down-to-earth (mostly).

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    TNP321 Mothers of Magic with Perdita Finn Jun 08, 2026
    Show notes

    I'm so honoured to welcome back to the podcast, one of my favourite conversations partners ever, Perdita Finn!

    Perdita is the author of Take Back the Magic: Conversations with the Unseen World, Mothers of Magic: Summoning the Wisdom of Our Ancestors, and with her husband Clark Strand The Way of the Rose: The Radical Path of the Divine Feminine Hidden in the Rosary. She teaches popular workshops on connecting and collaborating with both the dead and the animate everything. She lives with her family in the moss-filled shadows of the Catskill Mountains.

    She is on Facebook and Instagram and writes a popular Substack, Take Back the Magic. Her website is takebackthemagic.com

    Buy Mothers of Magic: Summoning the Wisdom of our Ancestors from your favourite bookseller now!

    Referenced in this episode:

    Bitch: On the Female of the Species, by Lucy Cooke

    ✨

    Join us for more like this in The Numinous Network


    TNP320 {Dispatch: June 7, 2026} Common Sense for Collapse Times: 10 Rules to Live By Jun 07, 2026
    Show notes

    10 Rules to Live By (for Collapse or Any Other Time)

    This episode features the best bangers of cowboy logic, farm wisdom, and collapse tips that are getting us through some tough months here on Faulder Farm on Syilx Territory.

    Pre-order my book: How to Connect: Build Strong Bonds and Deep Connections Through Contact Nutrition (No Matter Your attachment Style, Trauma History or Neurotype)

    🙏🏻 Thanks in advance! 🙏🏻

    Join us for collapse support in The Numinous Network


    TNP319 Moss, Molt, Murmur with Nadine Nakagawa May 27, 2026
    Show notes

    Today's guest, Nadine Nakagawa, is an organizer, activist, intersectional feminist, clinical counsellor, and two-term city councillor. She is also the co-founder of Feminist Campaign School which supports underrepresented people to run for and serve in elected office.

    She is also the author of the forthcoming book, Moss, Molt, Murmur: Contemplations on Nature, which is now available for pre-order from 9th House Press!

    This conversation was recorded over a month ago and we were still using the working title "Imaginal Discs” which is just one of the essays in this little book. I say “essays” but they’re not exactly essays…

    It’s more like a compendium of prose poems and musings and tiny immersions into an animist, anticapitalist, interconnected world.

    I know this book will resonate with activists, environmentalists, animists, artists, pagans, witches, people developing secure attachment with beings and places of the natural world.

    It’s a book for people trying to find their way out of the narrative of a white capitalist imperialist patriarchal overculture. It's for those people who are looking for the exit by entering into communion with the natural world.

    And when you hear more from Nadine today, I think you’ll see why I think this book is going to be wildly popular when it arrives.

    Referenced in this episode:

    Kai Cheng Thom

    Indiginews

    Eden Fineday

    Follow Nadine on Instagram

    Pre-order now from 9th House Press

    ⭐️ Check out the Power Reader Bundle ⭐️

    Join us in The Numinous Network



    TNP318 Farm Stand News with Marianne Unger May 22, 2026
    Show notes

    If you are in the mood for something soothing, cozy, wholesome, and heartwarming, this episode is for you. If you are craving some quality time with a neighbour who is grounded, good-hearted, generous and genuinely curious about you and life in general, this episode is for you. If you need a comfort listen, this episode is for you.

    And so is the forthcoming book from today's guest, Marianne Unger. It's called Farm Stand News: Letters to the Neighbourhood and it's now available for pre-order from 9th House Press.

    It's about neighbourliness, baking, gardening, place-making, heritage and chosen family, the gift economy, and turning capitalist colonialism on its head. And most of all, it's about love.

    ***

    Check out the Power Reader Bundle!

    Join us in The Numinous Network to participate in more conversations like this.


    TNP317 Literature, Hip Hop and Healing with Dionne Grayman May 15, 2026
    Show notes

    Author and educator, Dionne Grayman, is here to talk about her new book, I Call My Own Name: A Homegirl's Lyrical Memoir of Hip-Hop, Healing and Holy Reclamation, now available for pre-order from 9th House Press.

    In the 90s, Dionne was just 20 years old and pregnant when her baby's father was killed. Now in her late 50s, Dionne recounts how literature and music helped her "remember herself whole", her whole story, with herself as lead not victim. With a warm voice and engaging storytelling, Dionne rewrites the story of how this MC saved her own life.

    Pre-order I Call My Own Name from 9th House Press

    Best Savings: the Power Reader Bundle

    More show notes with links to all of Dionne's references and recommendations coming soon!

    Check out my next book, How to Connect: Build Strong Bonds and Deep Connections Through Contact Nutrition (No Matter Your Attachment Style, Trauma History or Neurotype)

    Join us in The Numinous Network


    TNP316 Matrescence in a Time of Ecological Crisis with Dr.Allie Davis May 09, 2026
    Show notes

    New from 9th House Press: Mother Juniper: On Matrescence in Ecological Crisis, by Dr.Allison Claire Davis, explores the question, What happens when a woman becomes a mother during the slow emergency of our ecological crisis?

    Matrescence is the developmental transition of becoming a mother. As far as I can find, this is the first book published that focuses exclusively on the unique psychoemotional context of becoming a mother during a time of climate crisis.

    Dr.Allie Davis is a licensed therapist, researcher, and educator who coined the term maternal ecodistress. Her research has been published in journals including Ecopsychology and Women’s Studies International. She teaches at Pacifica Graduate Institute, directs the Maternal Ecopsychology Certification program for clinicians and birth workers, serves as associate editor of the Journal of Mental Health and Climate Change, and runs Southwest Perinatal Counseling.

    Mother Juniper draws on the juniper’s pioneer species carework as a developmental framework for supporting the Earth-Self that awakens in matrescence. It is grounded in attachment theory, ecopsychology, feminist theory, and depth psychology. Throughout the book, Davis holds Indigenous ways of knowing and Western science in relationship with each other and reframes maternal climate distress as accurate perception rather than pathology.

    Along with a developmental framework for moving through ecological crisis, Mother Juniper supports mothers in building earned secure attachment to Earth during matrescence. Therapists and healthcare providers will also benefit from this book as gives clinicians language and a framework for the ecological dimensions of maternal care.

    ⭐️ Buy the book ⭐️

    www.dralliedavis.com

    Follow Allie on Instagram

    TikTok

    Learn more about 9th House Press

    Come join us in The Numinous Network


    TNP315 Strategies to Address Caregiver Burnout with Carmen Spagnola May 08, 2026
    Show notes

    Production Note: I used a different recording program than usual without any background noise dampening so you get to hear the summer storm roll in, my dog, Mona slurping her water, my movements as I shuffle stuff on my desk, etc...So real! So high def! So intimate and interactive!

    Trigger warning: Discussion of suicide and brief non-specific mention of sexual assault, overall a bummer of a topic but I try to keep it moving along fairly briskly and we end with some good coping strategies.

    On this Mother's Day weekend, I'm taking about some grief-y things and some tough things, and also some funny things and some empowering things. If you're a caregiver nearing the end of her rope, this is for you.

    International Crisis Lines

    Quality of Life assessment: https://qli.uic.edu/

    Professional Quality of Life Scale (Satisfaction, Compassion Fatigue and Burnout):

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vzvQVeakBzCbjDCaypwZ_dEy3vHs-37K/view?usp=drive_link

    https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/suicide

    https://sprc.org/about-suicide/suicide-data/suicide-by-age/

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3603326/

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2791161

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7292717/

    https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/bmjopen/9/12/e032391.full.pdf

    https://www.explorationpub.com/Journals/ei/Article/1003241

    Come join us in The Numinous Network for some structured social interaction! 💖


    TNP314 The 14 Grandmothers and The Friendship Bench with Dr.Dixon Chibanda May 07, 2026
    Show notes

    If you've enjoyed discourse on this podcast about the barefoot doctor approach, community-based and culturally-relevant mental health initiatives and disability justice, as well as how ritual and spiritual literacy helps weave a stronger collective nervous system and increases community resilience, then you need to read, The Friendship Bench: How Fourteen Grandmothers Inspired a Mental Health Revolution by Dr.Dixon Chibanda. It's about a mental health program of elder lay counsellors who deliver mental health support from neighbourhood park benches, and the 100+ published studies on its efficacy in measurable improvements to individual patients and public health.

    Dr.Dixon Chibanda is a medical doctor, a practicing psychiatrist, and a professor at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, as well as at the University of Zimbabwe. He is also director of the African Mental Health Research Initiative (AMARI). His TEDx Talk about the Friendship Bench has over 3 million views.

    Referenced in this episode

    The Friendship Bench: How Fourteen Grandmothers Inspired a Mental Health Revolution

    FriendshipBench.org

    Friendship Bench-in-a-Box

    Dixon's socials and podcasts:

    Instagram and FriendshipBenchGlobal Insta
    Facebook
    Twitter
    YouTube/Podcast
    TikTok
    LinkedIn

    Join us in The Numinous Network for some Contact Nutrition

    Sign up for my newsletter to be notified when pre-orders open for my next book:

    How to Connect: Build Deep Connection and a Strong Bond Through Contact Nutrition (No Matter Your Attachment Style, Trauma History or Neurotype)


    TNP313 POTS and Ehlers-Danlos Care with Dr.Diana Driscoll May 05, 2026
    Show notes

    Welcome to your new hyper-niche comfort listen, my fellow disability nerds! Today we're talking with Dr.Diana Driscoll about some of the recent research on Inflammatory POTS as well as promising treatment approaches.

    Diana Driscoll, OD, FAAO received her Doctoral degree from The University of Houston College of Optometry, and began studying idiopathic autonomic dysfunction through the ophthalmic examination of affected patients. Her work extended into abnormal vagus nerve function, vascular endothelial health, Idiopathic Intracranial Hypertension, premature aging associated with connective tissue disorders, the genetic traits involved, and the reversal of symptoms.

    She has published in The Journal of Vitreoretinal Disease and is a peer-reviewer for retinal journals. Dr. Driscoll created Genetic Disease Investigators, LLC in 2011 to conduct formalized research into autonomic dysfunction. She is the recipient of five patents to date concerning the enigmatic autonomic nervous system, including dry eye disease. She is the author of The Driscoll Theory which details the role of intracranial pressure, vagus nerve function, fibrosis, and inflammation in connective tissue patients.

    She also authored Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome: Your Eyes and EDS – the only publication of its type.

    Dr. Driscoll is the Clinical Director of POTS Care, the owner of TJ Nutrition, and the President of Genetic Disease Investigators.

    Referenced in this Episode:

    Download The Driscoll Theory: The cause of POTS in Ehlers-Danlos and how to reverse the process

    Learn more about Dr.Driscoll's work and offerings:

    POTS Rebels on Patreon
    POTS Care Clinic
    More on Inflammatory POTS
    Vagus nerve support supplement
    www.drdianadriscoll.com


    Related Past Episodes of The Numinous Podcast:

    TNP169 Sophie Macklin on Antifascist Folklore and Ungovernable Bodies

    TNP205 Sophie Strand on Mary Magdalene + Miracles

    TNP210 RCCX Theory of Complex Illness with Carmen Spagnola

    TNP215 Before Capitalism (from a European Perspective) with Sophie Macklin

    TNP267 The Body Is A Doorway with Sophie Strand

    Past episodes featuring Numinous Network Members and Guides
    who live with disability, chronic/temporary/dynamic or episodic disability:

    TNP281 23 Dates with My Dead Dad with Corey MacAuliffe

    TNP275 Community Building in Tough Times with Asteria Elzea

    TNP270 Art, Pleasure and Consent with Marisa Sullivan

    Join us in The Numinous Network – sliding scale rate of $50, $75 or $100USD per month for 50+ live support calls, including weekly sessions for people with Sensitive Systems & Long Covid. (Camera optional, verbal or non-verbal participation a-ok, no forced sharing, slow pacing and lots of mini breaks to reset, calibrate, and discern the goldilocks amount of connection in the moment).

    Notes

    Apologies: I misspoke in the intro of this episode and said "RCCX syndrome" which is definitely not a thing. I meant "RCCX Theory", the work of Dr.Sharon Meglathery.

    I also misspoke in the outro when I said that pre-orders are now available for my book, How to Connect: Build Deep Connection and a Strong Bond Through Contact Nutrition (No Matter Your Attachment Style, Trauma History or Neurotype) – PRE-ORDERS AVAILABLE MAY 8! ✨🎉 Sign up for my newsletter for the announcement.


    TNP312: Assembly: A Call for Liberatory Words for Revolutionary Times with Taraneh Erfan Apr 21, 2026
    Show notes

    Today's episode is part announcement, part request, part inspiration, part call to action – I am delighted to welcome back my dear friend and colleague, Taraneh Erfan, in her role as Editorial Director for 9th House Press. Regular listeners will know that 9th House Press is a worker co-op founded by Taraneh, myself and our colleague, Thérèse Cator, and we are bringing you world-building books that are a response to the question, How then shall we live?

    We are pleased to officially announce that our debut catalogue arrives May 8, 2026!

    Check out our Submissions Guidelines and send us your work to be considered for our upcoming anthology of poetry and prose by marginalized and equity-denied voices, Assembly: Liberatory Words for Revolutionary Times. On November 4, 2026, our title will be on bookstore shelves, and your words could be within the pages!

    Sign up for accessible group or self-paced expressive arts therapy with Taraneh Erfan

    Become an Associate Member of the 9th House Press Co-operative today! (Entries prior to 5pm PDT on May 8, 2026 are automatically entered into our Grand Prize Giveaway.)

    Get a 30-day free trial of The Numinous Network when you use promo code FREE30 before April 30, 2026.


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