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    The Midlife Chrysalis

    The Midlife Chrysalis is a one-hour podcast hosted by Chip Conley, bestselling author of Learning to Love Midlife and founder of MEA (Modern Elder Academy). Chip and his high-profile guests – including Maria Shriver, Hoda Kotb, Elizabeth Gilbert, Michael Franti, and more – dive into raw, vulnerable conversations about the profound transitions they’ve experienced in midlife.

    Listeners get a rare look at how even the most successful individuals have to navigate life’s pivotal changes – and gain practical wisdom they can apply in their own lives for a more fulfilling and purposeful next chapter.

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    Latest Episodes:
    From Experience to Wisdom: A Midlife Conversation That Matters Nov 19, 2025
    Show notes

    In the very first episode of Wisdom Wednesdays, Chip Conley and Derek Gehl sit down for a thoughtful, honest conversation about what wisdom really means in midlife. Chip shares the down-to-earth definition that guides his life and talks about the small, consistent practices that help him turn everyday experiences into something meaningful.


    If you’re ready for conversations that spark growth, clarity, and courage…


    ▶️ Start with Episode 1 and begin your wisdom journey with us.

    Timestamps:

    00:00 Intro

    00:22 Welcome to Wisdom Wednesdays

    01:37 What is wisdom and why it matters

    02:55 Life lessons as raw material

    03:32 Mindfully sharing wisdom

    05:28 Can wisdom be cultivated

    08:06 The problem with AI wisdom

    08:51 The chef metaphor

    10:52 Wisdom during cancer treatment

    12:51 Chip’s wisdom bumper sticker

    14:12 How to start your wisdom practice

    15:54 Final reflection

    Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/

    #WisdomWednesdays #ChipConley #MidlifeChrysalis #MidlifeWisdom #PersonalGrowthJourney #ModernElder #LifeLessons #MidlifeTransformation #EmotionalWellbeing #MindfulLiving #SelfAwareness #MidlifePurpose #JournalingPractice #InnerGrowth #ThrivingInMidlife


    Barbara Waxman: How to Flourish and Find Purpose in Midlife Nov 17, 2025
    Show notes

    Midlife isn’t a crisis. It’s your greatest awakening.


    In this inspiring episode, gerontologist and coach Barbara Waxman redefines aging through the lens of “Middleessence,” a stage of growth, purpose, and renewal. She reveals how to reclaim energy with her Energy Audit, why mindset matters more than genetics for longevity, and how lifestyle medicine helps you live undiminished at every age.


    ✨ Learn how to flourish, not fade, in your next chapter.

    ▶️ Watch now on YouTube or listen on Apple Podcasts.

    Timestamps:

    00:00 Meet gerontologist Barbara Waxman

    00:28 How she became a gerontologist

    02:56 What is “middle essence”

    07:18 Adolescence vs. middle essence

    13:37 Why happiness rises after 50

    16:42 Debunking the midlife crisis myth

    18:53 Redefining legacy and purpose

    20:19 Barbara’s own midlife awakening

    23:03 What is the Energy Audit

    24:36 What lifestyle medicine really means

    28:55 The 7 lifestyle levers for thriving

    30:42 Mindset’s power in longevity

    32:41 Mindset studies that changed lives

    35:18 Well-being burnout explained

    36:23 Self-care vs. self-indulgence

    38:10 Solitude, introverts, and renewal

    40:09 Unlocking longevity and the third span

    45:46 Living undiminished and flourishing

    46:49 Wisdom bumper sticker

    Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/

    #MidlifeChrysalis #BarbaraWaxman #MidlifeTransformation #MiddleEssence #LongevityMindset #HealthyAging #LifestyleMedicine #WomenOver40 #LifeTransitions #PersonalGrowth #MindsetShift #AgingWell #HumanFlourishing #EnergyAudit #PurposefulLiving


    Mark Nepo: How to Stay Creative, Awake, and Fully Alive in Midlife Nov 14, 2025
    Show notes

    What if aging isn’t about decline, but about becoming more alive than ever?


    The bestselling author and spiritual teacher Mark Nepo opens up about how surviving cancer reshaped his entire understanding of life, creativity, and purpose. He reveals the wisdom behind The Fifth Season, a time in life when the inner world begins to shine brighter than the outer one, and shares how to live and create with authenticity in midlife and beyond.


    Mark’s reflections will move you, ground you, and remind you what it truly means to be present, wholehearted, and free.


    🎧 Watch now and rediscover how beauty, suffering, and friendship all become part of life’s greatest art: your own becoming.


    Timestamps:

    00:00 Intro

    00:23 The Fifth Season: Creativity in midlife

    04:10 What the “Fifth Season” really means

    05:28 How cancer changed Mark’s life

    09:58 Facing death and finding purpose

    12:00 What cancer taught him about life

    13:18 Chip’s own cancer story

    17:10 Realizing he was a poet

    22:14 How Oprah discovered his book

    24:47 Success, humility, and staying grounded

    29:59 Mark’s Pirouettes poem

    34:32 Creativity as a spiritual act

    42:17 Aging and letting go of old identities

    43:26 The tea ceremony and making lists

    46:30 The poetry of friendship

    51:14 Teaching at MEA

    55:12 Free Fall poem

    56:03 Wisdom bumper sticker


    Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/



    #MarkNepo #TheBookOfAwakening #TheFifthSeason #MidlifeChrysalis #ChipConley #MidlifeWisdom #SpiritualGrowth #MidlifeCreativity #PersonalTransformation #CancerSurvivor #MindfulnessJourney #AgingGracefully #PurposeInMidlife #SpiritualAwakening #PoetryOfLife #OprahBookClub #SoulWork #LivingFully #EmotionalHealing #AuthenticLiving


    From Hot Flashes to a Global Mission: Tamsen Fadal’s Menopause Journey Nov 10, 2025
    Show notes

    🔥 One night on air changed everything for Tamsen Fadal.


    She was at the top of her game as a TV anchor when she suddenly started forgetting words and sweating through live broadcasts, without realizing she was entering menopause. That moment became the turning point that led her from journalism to advocacy. In this conversation, Tamsen shares how she turned confusion into purpose, launching The M Factor documentary and her book How to Menopause.


    ✨ Join us as we talk about redefining midlife, breaking the silence, and helping women everywhere navigate this powerful new chapter.


    Timestamps:

    00:43 Early Life and Losing Her Mother

    02:44 Lessons from Her Mother and Family Values

    04:06 Breaking Into TV News and Facing Stereotypes

    07:11 Sexism and Ageism in the Media Industry

    09:12 Defining Her On-Air Brand and Early Career Years

    11:46 Moving to New York and Personal Life Changes

    15:36 Advice to Her 40-Year-Old Self

    17:01 Health Issues, Misdiagnosis, and Menopause

    23:28 TikTok & Creating Awareness

    25:29 Street Interviews, Documentary, and The Book

    30:28 Understanding Perimenopause and Menopause

    34:16 Hormone Therapy and Medical Education Gaps

    36:35 Finding Certified Menopause Practitioners

    38:48 How Men and Coworkers Can Be Supportive

    41:25 Reframing Midlife and the “Bolden Years”

    44:37 Purpose, Creativity, and Daily Motivation

    46:28 Redefining Retirement and Lifelong Energy

    48:22 Wisdom Bumper Sticker


    Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


    #MenopauseAwareness, #Perimenopause, #MidlifeEmpowerment, #WomensHealth, #MenopauseSupport, #MenopauseEducation, #TamsenFadal, #ChipConley, #HowToMenopause, #TheMFactor, #MidlifeCrisisMyth, #BoldenYears, #HormoneTherapy, #MenopauseAdvocate, #MidlifeReinvention


    The Science of Awe: Rediscover Wonder with Dacher Keltner Nov 07, 2025
    Show notes

    What if awe was the secret ingredient to happiness? 🌿 In this episode, I sit down with UC Berkeley psychologist Dacher Keltner to explore how awe, compassion, and moral beauty can transform the way we live and age. We dive into the science of wonder — from the power of collective joy to how simple “awe walks” can boost your health, purpose, and connection.


    ✨ Join us as we uncover why we’re truly born to be good and how awe might just be the key to midlife renewal.


    🎧 Tune in for the full conversation and get inspired to see life with fresh eyes.


    Timestamps:

    00:00 Chip welcomes Dacher and reflects on their friendship

    00:18 Why people smile when they talk about Dacher

    01:06 How early experiences shaped his empathy

    03:32 Journey into psychology and emotion science

    06:42 Discovering emotion in the human face

    07:31 Writing Born to Be Good and redefining human nature

    09:42 Science of compassion, gratitude, and kindness

    13:15 How the study of awe began

    14:17 What awe is and how it feels

    18:24 Collecting awe stories from around the world

    20:33 The eight wonders of awe

    21:00 Collective effervescence and shared joy

    23:44 Synchronizing with others through movement and emotion

    25:01 How screens disrupt human connection

    27:00 Moral beauty and the power of witnessing goodness

    31:32 Moral beauty within community and everyday life

    32:39 Awe and moral beauty in midlife

    36:33 The Awe Walk study and its health benefits

    39:47 Finding awe in daily moments

    41:25 Inside Dacher’s “Cultivating Awe” workshop

    43:51 Practicing awe through grief and gratitude

    45:09 Wisdom bumper sticker: seeing hidden beauty in people

    47:35 Love (agape) as the essence of awe

    49:10 Closing reflections and gratitude


    Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


    #awe #DacherKeltner #ChipConley #MidlifeChrysalis #CultivatingAwe #BornToBeGood #MoralBeauty #CollectiveEffervescence #ScienceOfAwe #HumanConnection #Mindfulness #EmotionalIntelligence #MidlifeWisdom #GratitudePractice #FindingPurpose


    Reborn at Midlife: How Ricky Williams Became Errick Miron Nov 03, 2025
    Show notes

    What happens when one of the NFL’s most celebrated athletes walks away from fame, fortune, and the life everyone else wanted for him? In this powerful episode, Ricky Williams, now known as Errick Miron, opens up about his transformation from Heisman Trophy winner to healer, teacher, and astrologer. He shares how depression, self-discovery, and spirituality reshaped his identity and helped him find peace beyond the game.


    If you’ve ever wondered what it truly means to let go and start over, this conversation will change the way you think about success, purpose, and freedom.


    🎧 Listen now and discover how Ricky Williams became Errick Miron and found his true self.


    Timestamps:

    00:42 Early Ambitions and Upbringing

    02:19 Choosing the University of Texas

    04:54 College Glory and the Heisman Dream

    07:37 NFL Reality Check

    10:00 Mental Health and Identity Crisis

    15:00 Discovering New Passions

    16:14 Leaving the NFL & Coming Back

    19:47 Journey to Australia and Discovering Ayurveda

    22:32 First Encounter with Astrology

    24:26 Return to Football with New Purpose

    26:31 Preparing for Life After Sports

    29:02 Retirement & Going Back to Astrology

    38:41 Evolutionary Astrology Explained

    42:46 Meeting His Wife & Becoming Errick Miron

    47:21 Redefining Masculinity

    49:42 Upcoming Workshop: Evolving Identity

    52:16 Wisdom Bumper Sticker

    Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


    #RickyWilliams #ErrickMiron #MidlifeChrysalis #EvolvingIdentity #NFLtoAstrology #MentalHealthJourney #SpiritualAwakening #HealingJourney #AthleteTransformation #AstrologyForGrowth #LifeAfterSports #SelfDiscovery #PersonalGrowth #MasculineHealing #MindfulnessInMidlife


    Rainn Wilson: Finding the Soul Beyond the Spotlight Oct 31, 2025
    Show notes

    What if the path to a meaningful life had nothing to do with fame or success and everything to do with service and soul?


    In this captivating conversation, Rainn Wilson opens up about his transformation from Hollywood ego to spiritual seeker, sharing how faith, meditation, and humility helped him rediscover purpose beyond the spotlight. Together with Chip Conley, he explores why midlife can be a sacred turning point when the soul finally takes the lead.


    👉 Watch now to learn how Rainn’s journey can help you reconnect with your own soul.


    Timestamps:

    00:00 Introduction

    02:55 What Is a Soul?

    05:52 Chip‘s Definition of Soul

    08:18 Humans on a Spiritual Journey

    09:32 Growing Up Baha’i

    13:58 The 1960s Spiritual Revolution

    17:31 Hollywood, Faith & the Dark Night of the Soul

    21:01 Becoming Dwight Schrute

    22:50 Famous in Midlife

    29:01 The Ego and Hollywood

    31:38 Letting the Soul Lead

    34:08 Devotion & Daily Practice

    40:03 The Soul Boom Workbook

    42:24 How the Workbook Came to Be

    44:41 Wisdom Bumper Sticker

    49:24 Chip’s Reflections and Takeaways


    Learn more about MEA at https://www.meawisdom.com/


    #RainnWilson #SoulBoom #MidlifeChrysalis #ChipConley #SpiritualRevolution #Bahaifaith #SoulJourney #ModernSpirituality #EgoAndSoul #Mindfulness #PersonalGrowth #MentalHealthAwareness #ServiceAndPurpose #ConsciousLiving #SpiritualAwakening


    BJ Miller: How Facing Death Taught Me to Live More Fully Oct 27, 2025
    Show notes

    What if the worst thing that ever happened to you became the very thing that set you free? 🌱 In this deeply moving episode, Dr. BJ Miller—physician, amputee, and palliative care visionary—shares how a near-fatal accident in college transformed his understanding of life, loss, and what it really means to live fully. From his journey through unimaginable pain to founding Mettle Health, BJ reveals how facing mortality can open the door to compassion, creativity, and peace.


    If you’ve ever feared aging, grief, or change, this conversation will completely shift your perspective.


    👉 Watch now and discover how to turn life’s hardest moments into your greatest teachers.


    Timestamps:

    00:00 Introduction

    00:36 The Accident That Changed Everything

    04:17 Processing Grief and Feeling “Seen”

    09:27 Rebuilding Life in His 20s

    14:46 From Art History to Medicine

    16:24 Discovering Palliative Care

    20:27 What Palliative Care Really Means

    24:26 Spiritual Dimensions of Caregiving

    27:16 What We Get Wrong About Death

    29:42 Making All Healthcare Palliative

    32:44 Founding Mettle Health

    36:56 Advice for Caregivers

    41:25 The Power of Grief

    43:50 BJ’s Midlife Chrysalis

    47:49 What People Regret Most Before Death

    51:48 Dying as a Creative Act

    55:25 Wisdom Bumper Sticker


    Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


    #BJMIller #MidlifeChrysalis #ChipConley #EndOfLifeCare #PalliativeCare #HospiceCare #GriefAndHealing #MidlifeWisdom #CaregivingJourney #FindingMeaning #LifeAndDeath #SpiritualGrowth #EmotionalResilience #MindfulLiving #AuthenticLife


    Daniel Pink: The Power of Regret and the Freedom to Begin Again Oct 22, 2025
    Show notes

    Ever wondered what it really means to start over when the world thinks you’ve peaked? In this episode, Daniel Pink, bestselling author of Drive and The Power of Regret, reveals why midlife isn’t a crisis but a creative turning point. He talks about becoming a beginner again after 50, how regret can guide us toward what truly matters, and why lasting motivation comes from autonomy, mastery, and purpose, not paychecks.


    👉 Watch now to learn how to reinvent yourself with clarity, courage, and curiosity.


    Timestamps:

    01:15 Early Career & Al Gore Years

    04:12 Leaving Politics for Book Writing

    07:05 The Book “Drive” & Science of Motivation

    11:10 Leadership & Purpose Within Organizations

    14:13 Living an Average Mid-40s Reality

    17:08 The Midlife Chrysalis & Year-Long Sabbatical

    22:04 Writing for The Washington Post

    25:58 Becoming a Rookie at 50

    30:00 The Science of Timing

    32:03 Evaluating Autonomy, Mastery & Purpose

    34:21 How He Wrote “The Power of Regret”

    37:42 The Wisdom in Regret

    39:24 Anticipated Regret in Action

    42:34 On Retirement & Regeneration

    46:16 The Idea of Gap Year at 50

    49:38 Regenerative vs. Retirement Communities

    51:49 Upsides & Downsides of Aging

    55:20 Dan’s Wisdom Bumper Sticker


    Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


    #DanielPink #ChipConley #ModernElderAcademy #MidlifeChrysalis #ThePowerOfRegret #DriveBook #AutonomyMasteryPurpose #MotivationScience #MidlifeReinvention #CareerReinvention #FindingPurpose #AgingWithPurpose #LifelongLearning #PersonalGrowth #MindsetShift


    Love, Loss & Caregiving with Bruce Willis’ Wife, Emma Heming Willis Oct 15, 2025
    Show notes

    What happens when the person you love most slowly begins to disappear before your eyes? In this deeply emotional and inspiring conversation, Emma Heming Willis opens up about life with Bruce Willis following his diagnosis of frontotemporal dementia and how she turned heartbreak into purpose.


    Joined by Helen Christoni, co-founder of Make Time Wellness, the two reveal why women’s brain health is so often ignored, what every caregiver needs to hear, and how to rediscover joy even in the hardest seasons of life.


    👉 Watch now and learn how making time for yourself might just be the most powerful act of care there is.


    Timestamps:

    00:00 Intro

    00:54 How Helen and Emma created Make Time Wellness

    04:47 Hormones, estrogen loss, and dementia risk

    06:03 Helen’s personal connection to dementia

    08:04 Starting Make Time as Bruce’s symptoms appeared

    08:51 How Emma met Bruce Willis and first signs of FTD

    12:05 Understanding anosognosia and early dementia signs

    15:29 The meaning of ambiguous loss for caregivers

    18:45 Practical tools and exercises for caregivers

    20:37 Redefining self-care and “making time”

    21:20 How others can help caregivers in real ways

    24:09 The caregiving crisis and policy change needed

    28:43 Gender roles and men’s perspective on caregiving

    31:00 Make Time Wellness mission and products

    34:49 Bruce Willis’s current condition and progression

    38:20 How their daughters are coping and family life

    39:24 Emma’s and Helen’s advice for caregivers

    40:57 Wisdom bumper sticker

    44:57 Closing reflections and gratitude


    Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


    #EmmaHemingWillis #HelenChristoni #MidlifeCaregiving #WomensBrainHealth #CaregiverSupport #FrontotemporalDementia #DementiaAwareness #MakeTimeWellness #MidlifeResilience #SelfCareReimagined #MidlifeWisdom #WomenSupportingWomen #CaregivingJourney #FindingJoyAgain #ModernElderAcademy


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