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    The Messy City Podcast

    Embracing change, uncertainty and local initiative for our cities and towns

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    Chicken on a Bridge May 06, 2026
    Show notes

    Sometimes a local story is just that - a local story. And sometimes it transcends. Yes, Mike Zeller is very much rooted in Kansas City, and this is a very local story about how to take advantage of our long-overlooked river assets.

    But this story is really so much more than all that. This is about finding value in what other people might not see; about perseverance; about not giving up when so many others would on a “crazy” idea.

    More than anything, this is about not giving up on yourself. The Rock Island Bridge in Kansas City may indeed become a local landmark - I believe it’s well on the way. But this is so much more about having confidence in yourself and your ideas, and not assuming the “experts” and the “professionals” have it all figured out.

    How many times have you said, “someone should do something with that?” Maybe that someone is you.

    Find more content on The Messy City on Kevin’s Substack page.

    Music notes: all songs by low standards, ca. 2010. Videos here. If you’d like a CD for low standards, message me and you can have one for only $5.

    Intro: “Why Be Friends”

    Outro: “Fairweather Friend”


    Get full access to The Messy City at kevinklinkenberg.substack.com/subscribe

    Seeking Faith-Based Solutions to Housing Apr 30, 2026
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    Every so often, an idea comes along that makes so much sense it makes you wonder - why haven’t we been talking more about this? In that vein comes today’s guest, Eli Smith, who is pioneering something called the Faith-Based Housing Initiative.

    Eli describes it well, but there’s a fascinating juncture here of issues related to churches and faith institutions of all kinds; the societal issues around loneliness; and the lack of housing - especially meaningful, community-based housing.

    Eli and his partners help cohorts of faith-based institutions in certain markets to identify how they can develop housing themselves, often on excess land they aren’t using. While this runs up against a whole other set of issues that churches and temples face, it offers a glimpse at something very hopeful as well.

    Find more content on The Messy City on Kevin’s Substack page.

    Music notes: all songs by low standards, ca. 2010. Videos here. If you’d like a CD for low standards, message me and you can have one for only $5.

    Intro: “Why Be Friends”

    Outro: “Fairweather Friend”


    Get full access to The Messy City at kevinklinkenberg.substack.com/subscribe

    You Can Just Do Things Apr 14, 2026
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    Zach Molzer is 25, and he wants you to know that’s an advantage. His team is young, energetic, and optimistic. His story of quickly becoming a developer with impact in Kansas City shows us that you don’t need to have decades of experience. You just need to want to do it badly, and get others excited about your vision.

    In just a couple of short years, Zach has created a company, undertaken two very complex redevelopment projects, created a huge presence on social media, built a bus stop out of an actual bus, connected with local elected officials, and is gearing up for much more. I hope you find inspiration in how Zach relates to us, that you can just do things. You don’t need permission, you don’t need the approval of a committee - you can just decide to do something, and pursue it relentlessly.

    For those of us that are frequently skeptical of the value of social media, Zach also offers a lesson in how to use the technology to great advantage. Check out his Twitter/X page or YouTube for more.

    Find more content on The Messy City on Kevin’s Substack page.

    Music notes: all songs by low standards, ca. 2010. Videos here. If you’d like a CD for low standards, message me and you can have one for only $5.

    Intro: “Why Be Friends”

    Outro: “Fairweather Friend”


    Get full access to The Messy City at kevinklinkenberg.substack.com/subscribe

    Rowhouses for America Apr 07, 2026
    Show notes

    Bobby Fijan doesn’t want you to give up on families living in cities. One thing he said in this episode that really stuck out with me, “People tolerate disorder less when kids are around.” I think that’s right on, and that we too easily acquiesce to the notion that cities are just for the young, or the retired.

    Bobby, like many of my guests, isn’t content to just talk about the issues. He’s become relentless in his pursuit of the best family-friendly floor plans for urban living, and has now taken that to the creation of the American Housing Corporation. Their motto might as well be, “rowhouses for all.” Bobby and his partners are pursuing true vertical integration of a nationwide development company, with the goal of doing really great urban infill housing. Can they do it? I wouldn’t bet against them.

    Find more content on The Messy City on Kevin’s Substack page.

    Music notes: all songs by low standards, ca. 2010. Videos here. If you’d like a CD for low standards, message me and you can have one for only $5.

    Intro: “Why Be Friends”

    Outro: “Fairweather Friend”


    Get full access to The Messy City at kevinklinkenberg.substack.com/subscribe

    The Case for Optimism and Beauty Mar 31, 2026
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    Social media is an unlikely place to find truly positive and optimistic people. But occasionally you find one. Today’s example: the charming and determined Coby Lefkowitz, whose relentless optimism can only rub off on you.

    Coby is a developer in New York state, and a prolific writer, poster and speaker on the value of beauty in the built environment. He’s written a book called “Building Optimism” and has a Substack by the same name. In his Substack, you can read more about his forthcoming project in Kingston, NY, and what all he’s trying to accomplish.

    Coby and I discuss the role of optimism in a longer, healthier life, whether or not building beautifully is actually more expensive, and the intriguing benefits of thinking of your social media audience as just yourself and your Mom. Coby’s story is also a great example of how a young person can gain valuable experience working for someone else for a few years, grinding it out, and refining your skills before embarking on your own.

    You can find Coby on X/Twitter here.

    Find more content on The Messy City on Kevin’s Substack page.

    Music notes: all songs by low standards, ca. 2010. Videos here. If you’d like a CD for low standards, message me and you can have one for only $5.

    Intro: “Why Be Friends”

    Outro: “Fairweather Friend”


    Get full access to The Messy City at kevinklinkenberg.substack.com/subscribe

    The Best Life Hack, Ever Mar 17, 2026
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    We take a break from our routine conversations today to have some fun, and talk about the wonders of travel hacking with my sister, Cindy Weir. Cindy epitomizes how to really leverage having a system for travel hacking, as she made the most of her small business to rack up points. It’s paid off incredibly for her, as she’s traveled to 22 countries in just the last five years, in addition to doing so in style.

    We go over how she got there, some of the many little tips and tricks we’ve learned over the years, and even share insider knowledge on airline lounges, lodging, and more.

    Are you someone that loves to travel? Do you own a small business or have an active side hustle? If you can say yes to both of those, then you need to listen to how Cindy it, and you can as well.

    Find more content on The Messy City on Kevin’s Substack page.

    Music notes: all songs by low standards, ca. 2010. Videos here. If you’d like a CD for low standards, message me and you can have one for only $5.

    Intro: “Why Be Friends”

    Outro: “Fairweather Friend”


    Get full access to The Messy City at kevinklinkenberg.substack.com/subscribe

    Do our communities need better hardware or better software? Mar 03, 2026
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    Longtime friend-of-the-pod Abby Newsham returns, on her hiatus from the popular Upzoned podcast. Abby is a practicing planner in Kansas City with Olsson Associates. Abby is very active working with communities leading planning charrettes, and we talk at length about what a charrette actually is, the value of it, and why doing charrettes can actually give you hope that people can solve problems together.

    Then we talk about Billy Cooney’s article that was republished in Southern Urbanism, called, “Zoning Won’t Save Us,” which is basically on piece on why we over-rely on technocratic solutions to problems that are actually very human. I might say, you can’t solve a culture problem with a technical manual.

    Find more content on The Messy City on Kevin’s Substack page.

    Music notes: all songs by low standards, ca. 2010. Videos here. If you’d like a CD for low standards, message me and you can have one for only $5.

    Intro: “Why Be Friends”

    Outro: “Fairweather Friend”


    Get full access to The Messy City at kevinklinkenberg.substack.com/subscribe

    What is a Starter Home? Feb 10, 2026
    Show notes

    One of the perils of being in a profession or field for many years is how you see beyond simple dualities. By that I mean, you hear people argue confidently and vehemently about X vs Y, but you know there’s actually a Z they’re not even thinking about. Sometimes people talk about this as a “third way” solution. I confess that my whole life and career I’ve mostly been interested in those “third” ways, since I find they tend to have much more wisdom and insight than the other two.

    This came to mind recently when I was very kindly asked to speak with a group from ULI-Nashville about starter homes - the need, the barriers and the solutions. Because I can’t help myself, I opted to talk more about what I think we mean by starter homes, and some options for them that don’t get enough play in the conversation.

    This episode is a longer version of that talk, including the three different ways I look at starter homes. The issue is very timely, and it’s critical. We’re having a terrible time getting people into home ownership right now. A lot of this I covered in a previous conversation with Charlie Bilello, on the financial causes and barriers. But I’m at heart still an architect, so I think a lot about buildings and building types as part of this, and search for ways to talk about the problem in concrete terms.

    Let me know what you think in the comments. What type of starter home do you wish to have, or did you have? How about your parents and grandparents? What is truly missing in the marketplace, and how do we get to solutions in your opinion?

    Find more content on The Messy City on Kevin’s Substack page.

    Music notes: all songs by low standards, ca. 2010. Videos here. If you’d like a CD for low standards, message me and you can have one for only $5.

    Intro: “Why Be Friends”

    Outro: “Fairweather Friend”


    Get full access to The Messy City at kevinklinkenberg.substack.com/subscribe

    A Conversation with Ross Chapin Feb 02, 2026
    Show notes

    One of the great trends in housing from recent decades has been the revived interest in micro-communities, especially those organized around shared courtyards. I first started to learn about this in the late 1990s, and am delighted to say it’s really picked up steam since then.

    Ross Chapin has been at the forefront of all this, and taught many of us how to do it well. In this episode, Ross talks about how in some sense he accidentally got into doing this kind of work, how it changed his practice, and then importantly we explore key approaches to design and details that make it all work.

    Ross likes to say, “If you’re in your happy place, you’re going to sing.” But do we achieve that just by lining up a bunch of buildings around a lawn space? No, the details really matter, and Ross takes us through how to balance security and connection, how to think about layers of space, and how to design small homes and spaces that feel great.

    Every once in a while, I get in trouble with diehard YIMBY (Yes In My Backyard) activists because I insist that design of housing matters, and we need to build housing that actually satisfies human needs. Yes, we need to make it vastly easier to build just about everything. But too often we overlook human well being, and ignore aspects of our human nature that determine success or failure in new developments. Ross Chapin has blazed a path for all of us to better understand this all. Take a listen.

    Find more content on The Messy City on Kevin’s Substack page.

    Music notes: all songs by low standards, ca. 2010. Videos here. If you’d like a CD for low standards, message me and you can have one for only $5.

    Intro: “Why Be Friends”

    Outro: “Fairweather Friend”


    Get full access to The Messy City at kevinklinkenberg.substack.com/subscribe

    Reality in the Rust Belt Jan 27, 2026
    Show notes

    Jason Segedy returns for his third appearance on the show, as Jason now works in North Canton, Ohio as the Deputy Director of Administration. Jason has also gotten more active on LinkedIn in recent months, with his usual provocative and insightful thoughts on a variety of topics. I highly suggest you look him up!

    We hit on why a huge supply of older homes may not be an advantage, especially in a weak housing market, the challenges of population decline (and why people shouldn’t be so blase about it), and what it might take to actually recruit people to the region. We also manage to discuss my pet issue as it relates to the management of cities - at what scale is best for communities to operate? What’s it like on the inside, working at larger and smaller scales?

    Jason is also always thoughtful on the big picture and what he sees happening in the culture and the country. We talk about why he thinks this is a big moment for a lot of change.

    Find more content on The Messy City on Kevin’s Substack page.

    Music notes: all songs by low standards, ca. 2010. Videos here. If you’d like a CD for low standards, message me and you can have one for only $5.

    Intro: “Why Be Friends”

    Outro: “Fairweather Friend”


    Get full access to The Messy City at kevinklinkenberg.substack.com/subscribe

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