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    The Many Hats Club

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    Ep. 66, The state of online training (with James Hadley) Jun 10, 2020
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    (2019-08-21): certifications, trainings

    [00:21:54] There's an overreliance on certification, so people assume that because someone can pass a multiple choice exam, that they have skills that are effective in the workplace. And I don't think the two correlate.

    This time on a very rainy night we had James Hadley, CEO of Immersive Labs and an ex-GHCQ trainer to talk about online trainings, certifications and the state of this part of our industry:

    • how James got into infosec,
    • how did Immersive Labs come about,
    • resources, skills and mentors,
    • Rant of The Episode: HR gatekeeping.

    But wait, there's more:

    • [00:02:01] I got into infosec when I started trying to do things I probably shouldn't have done. So a good example was trying to bypass the control system on the that they kind of stopped us from getting access to the file system to stop us playing games, trying to find out ways to bypass that.
    • [00:09:05] What we saw was if people had the ability to self research, troubleshoot something, try something, read a number of articles and try again. That research phase of trying things are learning that knowledge generally sticks.
    • [00:34:02] I think it's fundamental for people to get the basics of computing under their belt. So rather than jumping straight to 'I want to be a red teamer and use Kali', clearly understand what an operating system is, how priviledges work and networking.
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    Ep. 65, Cyber Warrior Princesses (with Becky Pinkard and Dr. Victoria Baines) Jun 06, 2020
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    (2019-07-30): law enforcement, (cyber)crime, empowerment

    [00:25:28] "When I worked at Europol, I was the only female team leader out of nine. Now I go and speak at infosec events where I won't be the youngest female person in the room anymore. That is absolutely fantastic."

    The first episode of the second season of The Furry Hats Podcast we started big with two fantastic guests: Becky Pinkard and Dr. Victoria Baines. Becky is a cyber security executive and published author, as well as co-found of ‘We Empower Diversity in Start-ups’. Vick is a former law enforcement intelligence analyst with experience in investingating cybercrime and child exploitation, currently an independent researcher. Together they host the Cyber Warrior Princess podcast (Apple, SoundCloud).

    Some topic covered:

    • backgrounds, how they started and got where they are,
    • emotional affects of working with child abuse cases for a long period of time
    • Twitter, women in infosec and representation and discrimination
    • random segway into Stu talking about how he looks like Boris Johnson,
    • working at Facebook, social media working with governments and transpancy reports,
    • advice about getting into law enforcement.

    If that did not convince you, here's more:

    • [00:09:30] So my PHD is in classic literature. So Roman satire is my subject which like the only way I can describe this is it's like private eye, but two thousand years old but in Latin.
    • [00:12:32] When I got to Europol, I was suddenly branded as the person who knew about online stuff and could write reports about online stuff. So almost despite myself, I ended up writing the first SOCTA, which was the first EU threat assessment on cybercrime.
    • [00:48:20] What was it like working at Facebook? So when I first got there, it was a bit like a breath of fresh air. Someone from law enforcement asked me, 'oh, what's it like working on the dark side?'
    • [01:06:22] I used to be regularly contacted by law enforcement agencies and lots of different countries who would say 'oh, we've suddenly lost access to our Facebook page and (...) you urgently need to reactivate it' like it was my fault.
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    Ep. 62, From Hacker to CISO and beyond (with Mike Koss) Jun 01, 2020
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    (2019-05-19): black-grey-white, offensive-to-defensive

    [00:17:34] Well we take them outside and then we beat them thoroughly for about 20 minutes just to make sure that they're made of the right stuff

    On a sunny May day, we had the pleasure of Mike Koss joining us. Mike is a retired hacker with over 2 decades of security experience, currently in a head of security role and served on the InfoSec Europe 2019 CISO advisory board. Some of the fascinating topics covered:

    • a path from a morally bankrupt blackhat teen to whitehat head of information security,
    • CISO experience, hiring and onboarding people into his team,
    • working for Disney, how it differes from other companies,
    • Rant of the Episode: ticking a compliance box, CISOs not knowing security basics.

    TL;DL:

    • [00:01:09] I started in infosec on the wrong side of the law back in 1995;
    • [00:09:54] To be honest morally it was kind of like selling my soul a little piece at a time which I now have not, I'm completely devoid of soul;
    • [00:14:36] I think I had dreadlocks at the time as well and occasionally wore the old black nail varnish;
    • [00:57:11] with all the resources at all the conferences and all the avenues to learn I'm still astounded when I go into an organization and I see the lack of care or lack of any sort of progress that has been done for five 10 years or any lack of vision.
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    • Production: Meadow,
    • Proofing, writeup: Toffee.

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    Ep. 54, Web is all around (with Sean Wright) May 28, 2020
    Show notes Ep. 54, Web is all around (with Sean Wright)

    (2019-03-23) web and application security, bug hunting, disclosures

    [00:15:43] Everyone makes mistakes. Software has bugs. There's no software out there that is totally bug free

    The most famous infosec podcast on this side of Milan had a pleasure of having Sean Wright, 1/4th of (fluid) lineup of The Beer Farmes, as a guest on this fine March evening; a short but very conscise episode where we heard about:

    • Sean's path to the industry,
    • tools of daily use,
    • disclosures: public, responsible,
    • Rant of the Episode: putting stuff on the open Internet.

    Check out Sean's blog as well!

    Some interesting excerpts:

    • [00:02:19] We spent a lot of time trying to find vulnerabilities in that. Let's just say we've found some that allowed us to get admin access to some of the computers and we had great fun,
    • [00:05:37] I'd say, start with the basics and learn things like the OWASP Top 10. Get familiar with things like XXS, SQL injection. There's certainly a lot of courses, especially universities that don't introduce developers to those concepts. That's kind of why we have this whole problem that we have today in some aspects,
    • [00:15:43] Everyone makes mistakes. Software has bugs. There's no software out there that is totally bug free. So it doesn't mean they're doing a bad job or anything. Companies need to take that on board and realize when they get these security vulnerabilities brought to them, it's not a criticism of them.
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    • Production: Meadow,
    • Proofing, writeup: Toffee.

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    Ep. 85, Time has no meaning anymore (with Stu and a lot of guests) May 27, 2020
    Show notes Ep. 85, Time has no meaning anymore (with Stu and a lot of guests)

    (2020-05-21): mental health

    A special edition of our podcast for Mental Health Week and the world we are in right now. Stu and many guests: Chrissy Morgan, Mike Thompson, Sean Wright, McLabraid (with an attempt at the intro), ZoomerX, RiceOperator talked about how they are coping (or not) with being Under Pressure (Do do do bah bah bah bah O-kay). This is all for you - so that you know that you are not alone in this!

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    • Production: Meadow.

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    Ep. 53, Fun society (with fs0c131y) Apr 11, 2020
    Show notes Ep. 53, Fun society (with fs0c131y)

    (2019-03-21): Aadhaar, bug hunting, vulnerabilities and disclosures

    [00:16:35] People deserve to keep their data private

    This time on the best podcast in the hackerspace we had Baptiste Robert a.k.a. fs0c131y interviewed by Stu On A Train talking about security research, mostly with respect to privacy. We are sure you know Baptiste from his Aadhaar (Indian identity number) research, in this episode you will find out more about this and other topics:

    • how did he come about researching Aaadhaar - and what is it,
    • sources of Twitter trends, relations analysis,
    • negotiating with the receiving end of vulnerability disclosures,

    Plus a flurry of questions from the audience.

    • [00:17:17] sometimes [...] to make people fix an issue you have to do some name and shame
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    • Proofing, writeup: SYN

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    Ep. 51, Honk! (With Ian Coldwater) Mar 11, 2020
    Show notes Ep. 51, Honk! (With Ian Coldwater)

    (2019-03-07): containers and k8s, DevOps and security

    [00:27:49] Don't sell yourselves short in terms of what knowledge you have

    Before the world turned all to geese we had Ian Coldwater as a guest on our famous podcast talking all things Kubernetes. They started in a purely DevOps role and moved into infosec from there. Ian also proves that you can be a full time mom and go back to work and rock it!

    Important note: Ian talks about Girls Taking Over and how you should DM them - DO NOT, please contact CTF_Circle instead.

    • moving from pure developer environment to devsecops;
    • how did Ian get into hacking k8s, toolsets, labs;
    • public speaking, making your talk interesting;
    • Twitter community: the good, the bad and the ugly;
    • Rant of the Episode: how DevOps people think infosec is full of toxic people;

    interleaved with questions from the audience.

    Highlights!

    • [00:05:35] hacking really appeals to me [...] it's really cool that I can do work that I really love and get paid for it; and the people in infosec are really great;
    • [00:13:20] like a lot of other pentesting work - you want a sexy 0day, you end up with admin/admin;
    • [00:58:54] let's find ways to not be seen as awful jerks and blockers because I don't think that we are that, I think we're better than that
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    Ep. 50, What the Beer Farmers Think No. 2 Mar 02, 2020
    Show notes Ep. 50, What the Beer Farmers Think No. 2

    (2019-03-06)

    They are back! The second episode of What The Beer Farmers think brought to us the following topics:

    • Keith Flint: No Good (Start the Dance);

    also:

    • password managers: are we confusing people even more?
    • and as a followup: infosec media clickbaits;
    • unhackable: some learn how not to say this, ever but also: how to talk to companies' social media managers;
    • monthly Facebook update;
    • Some Company: trying to pivot on BA hack to sell certificates;
    • cybersecurity insurance.

    Thank you Mike, John, Ian and Sean for being here for us!

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    Episode production: Meadow.

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    Ep. 49 - From virus wars to weaponised toasters (with Mikko Hyppönen) Feb 28, 2020
    Show notes Ep. 49 - From virus wars to weaponised toasters (with Mikko Hyppönen)

    (2019-03-01): early viruses, future threat intel

    [00:27:45] If it's smart, it's vulnerable

    Unusual time for us (Friday afternoon) but for Mikko Hyppönen we are happy to bend the rules! CRO at F-Secure and with the company since 1991, and a proud owner of a pinball machine. It all started with C64 and programming in Finland and through the years - support at F-Secure, reverse engineering, educating, public speaking and teaching he finally made it to our podcast. A short episode but a lot of topics have been touched upon:

    • from analysing viruses in the 90s to F-Secure;
    • war stories - early virus outbreaks;
    • blackhats and a career in infosec;
    • organisations vs APTs and intelligence agencies;
    • hiring in infosec;
    • Rant of the Episode: why are passwords are still used for authentications;

    And audience questions!

    If you need more encouragement to listen:

    • [00:19:12] if you have been caught, you've been sentenced and you've paid your dudies to the society the society should welcome you back;
    • [00:26:35] the attackers are not intrested in your toaster, they are interested in your network. If your toaster in on the network, it's gonna be the weakest link;
    • [00:40:45] pick your niche and run with it and become as good as you can.
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    • Proofing, writeup: SYN

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    Ep. 39, I am Notdan (with notdan) Feb 23, 2020
    Show notes Ep. 39, I am Notdan (with notdan)

    (2018-11-23): technology, mental health, surviving in infosec

    [00:28:02] Best thing you can do about yourself is, you be you. Don't hide yourself. Stop hating yourself

    Before we all have found out that we are all notdan we had the notdan, Infosec Cartoon Doggo, Professional Shitposter and, foremost, expert on many things security as a guest on our famous podcast. Notdan's fire for technology started when parents grounded him and he found a way to bypass the password. Started from BBSes and, as one thing led to another, security has became his thing, especially network intrustion. A broad spectrum of topic have been mentioned:

    • tips for making a break in infosec;
    • a take on responsible disclosure*;
    • horror stories: bad full disclosures;
    • notdan and Tesla: a love story;
    • Twitter infosec community; detox and taking breaks from infosec;
    • mental health;
    • DDoS mitigation/network intrusion stories;

    plus, as always, lots of side quest - you need to hear it to believe it!

    Teasers and otherwise

    • [00:07:40] Keep going with your passion, and use the jobs which closely align with your passion and go along with it." - notdan
      Learn and progress. It takes time to be a hacker
      ;
    • *[00:36:15] Tesla is the next Apple;
    • [00:48:12] If you are in the dark place and trying to reach out, take a leap of faith and just go for it and get help. Half measures isn't gonna help. Ignoring it isn't an option.
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