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    The Literary Life Podcast

    Not just book chat! The Literary Life Podcast is an ongoing conversation about the skill and art of reading well and the lost intellectual tradition needed to fully enter into the great works of literature.

    Experienced teachers Angelina Stanford and Thomas Banks (of www.HouseOfHumaneLetters.com) join lifelong reader Cindy Rollins (of www.MorningtimeForMoms.com) for slow reads of classic literature, conversations with book lovers, and an ever-unfolding discussion of how Stories Will Save the World.

    And check out our sister podcast The Well Read Poem with poet Thomas Banks.

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    Latest Episodes:
    Episode 239: "Best of" Series – The Literary Life of Jone Rose, Ep. 135 Aug 27, 2024
    Show notes

    Welcome to another remix episode of The Literary Life podcast with this popular "Literary Life of…" interview episode with Angelina, Cindy and their guest Jone Rose. Jone is a "super-fan" of the podcast and is a homeschool mom living in North Carolina. Today Angelina starts off the interview asking about Jone's childhood reading life and school experience. Jone shares how her own adult literary education didn't start until after she had been homeschooling her own children for several years. In addition to discussing the redemption of Jone's own education, they talk about what Jone's reading life looks like now, how narration helps make connections and increase understanding, asking better questions, and so much more!

    To get see all the books and links mentioned in this episode, please view the full show notes on our website at https://www.theliterary.life/239.


    Episode 238: Why Read Biographies Aug 20, 2024
    Show notes

    Welcome back to The Literary Life Podcast with Angelina Stanford, Thomas Banks, and Cindy Rollins. Thomas starts the conversation with some general thoughts on the biography as a branch of literature and as an art form. He also mentions some types of biography he does not care to read at all. Cindy brings up the tension between white-washing historical figures and dragging out every piece of their dirty laundry in biographical treatments. Angelina poses a question about the place of biographies in children's education.

    To get a list of all the books mentioned and any other links mentioned in this episode, visit https://www.theliterary.life/238/.


    Episode 237: "Best of" Series – "The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde" Pt. 2, Ep. 106 Aug 13, 2024
    Show notes

    This week on The Literary Life Podcast, we continue our remix of a past discussion of Robert Louis Stevenson's The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. If you missed last week's episode, you will want to go back and catch Part 1. Angelina kicks of the book chat with a look at the format of the story and how it keeps us in suspense. Thomas brings up the idea of forbidden knowledge found in this book and the similarities between it and Frankenstein. Some other topics covered in this episode include the dangers of dehumanizing victims of crime, the nature of sin and addiction, the Renaissance idea of the well-ordered man, and the mythic qualities of this story.

    For a complete booklists and links to everything mentioned in this episode, including ways to connect with our hosts, please visit https://theliterary.life/237.


    Episode 236: "Best of" Series – The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde by R. L. Stevenson, Part 1 (Ep. 105) Aug 06, 2024
    Show notes

    Welcome to today's episode and another "Best of" remix on The Literary Life Podcast! Today our hosts Angelina Stanford, Cindy Rollins and Thomas Banks explore Robert Louis Stevenson's The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. After their commonplace quote discussion, each cohost shares some personal thoughts on Robert Louis Stevenson. Be aware that this episode will contain some spoilers, though we will not spoil the full ending. Thomas shares some biographical information about R. L. Stevenson. Angelina points out the mythic quality of this story and the enduring cultural references inspired by Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. She and Thomas also discuss some of the differences between early and late Victorian writers. They also begin digging into the first section of the book.

    Join us again next week for the second part of this discussion. Check out our Upcoming Events page for if want to know what we will be reading and talking about on the podcast next!

    Don't forget to check out our sister podcast, The Well Read Poem, as well as Cindy's new podcast, The New Mason Jar!

    Commonplace Quotes:

    I would rather (said he) have the rod to be the general terrour to all, to make them learn, than tell a child, if you do thus, or thus, you will be more esteemed than your brothers or sisters. The rod produces an effect which terminates in itself. A child is afraid of being whipped, and gets his task, and there's an end on't; whereas, by exciting emulation and comparisons of superiority, you lay the foundation of lasting mischief; you make brothers and sisters hate each other.

    Samuel Johnson, as quoted by James Boswell

    Do not talk about Shakespeare's mistakes: they are probably your own.

    G. M. Young

    The most influential books, and the truest in their influence, are works of fiction. They do not pin the reader to a dogma, which he must afterwards discover to be inexact; they do not teach him a lesson, which he must afterwards unlearn… They disengage us from ourselves, they constrain us to the acquaintance of others; and they show us the web of experience, not as we see it for ourselves, but with a singular change–that monstrous, consuming ego of ours being, for the nonce, struck out.

    Robert Louis Stevenson R L S

    by A. E. Houseman

    Home is the sailor, home from sea: Her far-borne canvas furled The ship pours shining on the quay The plunder of the world. Home is the hunter from the hill: Fast in the boundless snare All flesh lies taken at his will And every fowl of air.

    'Tis evening on the moorland free, The starlit wave is still: Home is the sailor from the sea, The hunter from the hill.

    Book List:

    The Life of Samuel Johnson by James Boswell

    Daylight and Champaign by G. M. Young

    "Books Which Have Influenced Me" by Robert Louis Stevenson

    David Balfour by Robert Louis Stevenson

    Kidnapped by Robert Louis Stevenson

    Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson

    A Child's Garden of Verses by Robert Louis Stevenson

    The White Company by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

    The Silverado Squatters by Robert Louis Stevenson

    Travels with a Donkey in the Cévennes by Robert Louis Stevenson

    King Solomon's Mines by H. Ryder Haggard

    The Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar Wilde

    Beowulf translated by Burton Raffel

    Robert Louis Stevenson by G. K. Chesterton

    God in the Dock by C. S. Lewis

    Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen

    The Body-Snatcher and Other Stories by Robert Louis Stevenson

    Support The Literary Life:

    Become a patron of The Literary Life podcast as part of the "Friends and Fellows Community" on Patreon, and get some amazing bonus content! Thanks for your support!

    Connect with Us:

    You can find Angelina and Thomas at HouseofHumaneLetters.com, on Instagram @angelinastanford, and on Facebook at www.facebook.com/ANGStanford/

    Find Cindy at morningtimeformoms.com, on Instagram @cindyordoamoris and on Facebook at www.facebook.com/CindyRollinsWriter. Check out Cindy's own Patreon page also!

    Follow The Literary Life on Instagram, and jump into our private Facebook group, The Literary Life Discussion Group, and let's get the book talk going! http://bit.ly/literarylifeFB


    Episode 235: "Harry Potter" Book 1, Ch. 13-End Jul 30, 2024
    Show notes

    This week on The Literary Life, Angelina and Thomas wrap up their series on J. K. Rowling's Harry Potter: Book 1. Angelina and Thomas begin the episode with some thoughts on their Aristotelian approach to literature as seen in this series of episodes. After sharing their commonplace quotes, they dive into their discussion of the last few chapters of the book. Some of the ideas they consider are how the entire plot is a series of symbols, alchemy and the allegory of the soul, and the figure of the "wildman" in the literary tradition. They also go over the characters of the centaurs, the significance of the unicorn, more references to Greek mythology, how Harry exemplifies the "chest" of the well-ordered man, and the great importance of the philosopher's stone as a Christ symbol.

    Visit HouseofHumaneLetters.com for classes with Angelina, Thomas, and other members of their teaching team.

    Commonplace Quotes:

    There is a sort of wild fairy interest in these tales which makes me think them fully better adapted to awaken and soften the heart of childhood that the "good boy" stories which have been in later years composed for them. In the latter case their minds are, as it were, put into the stocks…and the moral always consists in good conduct being crowned with temporal success. The truth is, I would not give one tear shed over Little Red Riding Hood for all the benefit to be derived from a hundred histories of Jimmy Goodchild.

    Sir Walter Scott, from a letter to a friend

    "I believe in God, not magic." In fact, Rowling initially was afraid that if people were aware of her Christian faith, she would give away too much of what's coming in the series. "It I talk too freely about that," she told a Canadian reporter, "I think the intelligent reader–whether ten [years old] or sixty–will be able to guess what is coming in the books."

    Michael Nelson, quoting J. K. Rowling, from "Fantasia: The Gospel According to C. S. Lewis" A Selection from "The Inferno", Canto XII

    By Dante Alighieri, trans. by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

    O blind cupidity, O wrath insane, That spurs us onward so in our short life, And in the eternal then so badly steeps us!I saw an ample moat bent like a bow, As one which all the plain encompasses, Conformable to what my Guide had said.And between this and the embankment's foot Centaurs in file were running, armed with arrows, As in the world they used the chase to follow.Beholding us descend, each one stood still, And from the squadron three detached themselves, With bows and arrows in advance selected;And from afar one cried: "Unto what torment Come ye, who down the hillside are descending? Tell us from there; if not, I draw the bow." Book List:

    Studies in Classic American Literature by D. H. Lawrence

    Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carrol

    Unlocking Harry Potter by John Granger

    Harry Potter's Bookshelf by John Granger

    The Hunchback of Notre Dame by Victor Hugo

    The Sacred and The Profane by Mircea Eliade

    The Elizabethan World Picture by E. M. Tillyard

    The Discarded Image by C. S. Lewis

    Mythos by Stephen Fry

    Metamorphoses by Ovid

    Through the Looking Glass by Lewis Carrol

    The Voyage of the Dawn Treader by C. S. Lewis

    Support The Literary Life:

    Become a patron of The Literary Life podcast as part of the "Friends and Fellows Community" on Patreon, and get some amazing bonus content! Thanks for your support!

    Connect with Us:

    You can find Angelina and Thomas at HouseofHumaneLetters.com, on Instagram @angelinastanford, and on Facebook at www.facebook.com/ANGStanford/

    Follow The Literary Life on Instagram, and jump into our private Facebook group, The Literary Life Discussion Group, and let's get the book talk going! http://bit.ly/literarylifeFB


    Episode 234: "Harry Potter" Book 1, Ch. 8-12 Jul 23, 2024
    Show notes

    Welcome back to The Literary Life podcast and our series on J. K. Rowling's Harry Potter: Book 1. After sharing some thoughts on detective fiction as it relates to Rowling, our hosts Angelina Stanford and Thomas Banks discuss chapters 8-12. Some of the ideas they share are the following: Homeric echos and classical allusions in this book, the identity quest, the significance of characters' names, the four houses and the bestiary, the three parts of the soul, the Christian influence on Rowling's stories. Angelina also seeks to teach something about symbolism and structure of literature and art as seen through the Harry Potter books.

    Visit HouseofHumaneLetters.com for updates on classes with Angelina, Thomas, and other members of their teaching team.

    Previous episodes mentioned in this podcast:

    The Importance of the Detective Novel (Episode 3/174)

    Series on Gaudy Night by Dorothy Sayers (Episodes 4-8)

    Death on the Nile by Agatha Christie (Episode 79)

    Commonplace Quotes:

    The wise man combines the pleasures of the senses and the pleasures of the spirit in such a way as to increase the satisfaction he gets from both.

    W. Somerset Maugham, from The Narrow Corner

    For it is through symbols that man finds his way out of his particular situation and "opens himself" to the general and the Universal. Symbols awaken individual experience and transmute it into a spiritual act, into metaphysical comprehension of the world.

    Mircea Eliade, from The Sacred and the Profane The Fairies

    By William Allingham

    Up the airy mountain, Down the rushy glen,We daren't go a-hunting For fear of little men;Wee folk, good folk, Trooping all together;Green jacket, red cap, And white owl's feather!Down along the rocky shore Some make their home,They live on crispy pancakes Of yellow tide-foam;Some in the reeds Of the black mountain lake,With frogs for their watch-dogs, All night awake.High on the hill-top The old King sits;He is now so old and gray He's nigh lost his wits.With a bridge of white mist Columbkill he crosses,On his stately journeys From Slieveleague to Rosses;Or going up with music On cold starry nightsTo sup with the Queen Of the gay Northern Lights.They stole little Bridget For seven years long;When she came down again Her friends were all gone.They took her lightly back, Between the night and morrow,They thought that she was fast asleep, But she was dead with sorrow.They have kept her ever since Deep within the lake,On a bed of flag-leaves, Watching till she wake.By the craggy hill-side, Through the mosses bare,They have planted thorn-trees For pleasure here and there.If any man so daring As dig them up in spite,He shall find their sharpest thorns In his bed at night.Up the airy mountain, Down the rushy glen,We daren't go a-hunting For fear of little men;Wee folk, good folk, Trooping all together;Green jacket, red cap, And white owl's feather! Book List:

    Cormoran Strike Series by Robert Galbraith

    Murder Must Advertise by Dorothy L. Sayers

    The Name of the Rose by Umberto Eco

    Agatha Christie

    Margery Allingham

    Ngaio Marsh

    Fanny Burney

    Northrop Frye

    The Odyssey by Homer

    Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them by J. K. Rowling

    The Book of Beasts trans. by T. H. White

    The Once and Future King by T. H. White

    Fabulous Tales and Mythical Beasts by Woody Allen

    Support The Literary Life:

    Become a patron of The Literary Life podcast as part of the "Friends and Fellows Community" on Patreon, and get some amazing bonus content! Thanks for your support!

    Connect with Us:

    You can find Angelina and Thomas at HouseofHumaneLetters.com, on Instagram @angelinastanford, and on Facebook at www.facebook.com/ANGStanford/

    Follow The Literary Life on Instagram, and jump into our private Facebook group, The Literary Life Discussion Group, and let's get the book talk going! http://bit.ly/literarylifeFB


    Episode 233: "Harry Potter" Book 1, Ch. 3-7 Jul 16, 2024
    Show notes

    On today's episode of The Literary Life podcast, Angelina Stanford and Thomas Banks continue their series on Harry Potter: Book 1 by J. K. Rowling. This week we are covering chapters 3-7. Angelina opens the book discussion with an overview of the literary motifs used by Rowling in the Harry Potter books to help modern readers better understand these kinds of stories. One of the motifs she highlights is the identity quest and how we see Harry on a journey of the soul. She also shares some thoughts on the fairy tale "magic" of these stories in contrast to actual witchcraft as well as the symbolism used to show us that this is a fairy world.

    Thomas and Angelina talk about the characters we meet in these chapters, including the symbolism of some of their names. Other ideas discussed in this episode include the importance of alchemy, the Gothic literary tradition, the layers of the quest, the rise of the fantasy genre, and so much more!

    Visit HouseofHumaneLetters.com for updates on classes with Angelina, Thomas, and other members of their teaching team.

    The Literary Life series on Bram Stoker's Dracula

    Commonplace Quotes:

    It is very often a man's digressions that reveal his true character and interests.

    T. R. Glover, from Springs of Hellas

    I am not suggesting that all works of literature are much the same work or fit into the same general scheme. I am providing a kind of resonance for literary experience, a third dimension, so to speak, in which the work we are experiencing draws strength and power from everything else we have read and may still read. And, second, the strength and power do not stop with the work out there, but enter into us.

    Northrop Frye Walking Away

    By Cecil Day-Lewis

    It is eighteen years ago, almost to the day –A sunny day with leaves just turning,The touch-lines new-ruled – since I watched you playYour first game of football, then, like a satelliteWrenched from its orbit, go drifting awayBehind a scatter of boys. I can seeYou walking away from me towards the schoolWith the pathos of a half-fledged thing set freeInto a wilderness, the gait of oneWho finds no path where the path should be.That hesitant figure, eddying awayLike a winged seed loosened from its parent stem,Has something I never quite grasp to conveyAbout nature's give-and-take – the small, the scorchingOrdeals which fire one's irresolute clay.I have had worse partings, but none that soGnaws at my mind still. Perhaps it is roughlySaying what God alone could perfectly show –How selfhood begins with a walking away,And love is proved in the letting go. Book List:

    The Decline and Fall of Practically Everybody by Will Cuppy

    Enid Blyton

    The Lord of the Flies by William Golding

    An Experiment in Criticism by C. S. Lewis

    Hard Times by Charles Dickens

    Oliver Twist by Charles Dickens

    MacBeth by William Shakespeare

    Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll

    Through the Looking Glass by Lewis Carroll

    Support The Literary Life:

    Become a patron of The Literary Life podcast as part of the "Friends and Fellows Community" on Patreon, and get some amazing bonus content! Thanks for your support!

    Connect with Us:

    You can find Angelina and Thomas at HouseofHumaneLetters.com, on Instagram @angelinastanford, and on Facebook at www.facebook.com/ANGStanford/

    Follow The Literary Life on Instagram, and jump into our private Facebook group, The Literary Life Discussion Group, and let's get the book talk going! http://bit.ly/literarylifeFB


    Episode 232: "Harry Potter" Book 1, Introduction and Ch. 1-2 Jul 09, 2024
    Show notes

    On today's episode on The Literary Life podcast, we begin our much-anticipated series on Harry Potter: Book 1 by J. K. Rowling, with hosts Angelina Stanford and Thomas Banks. After sharing a little on their own backgrounds as teachers and their commonplace quotations for the week, Angelina and Thomas open the book discussion with some introductory information on this book and series. They address the controversy surrounding these books in Christian circles. For our previous episode on magic, listen to our Best of Series Episode 168: Wizards, Witches and Magic, Oh My!

    Angelina sets up this series with some background on children's publishing in the 1990s, the why there are differences in the British and American editions, the basis for this book in the classic literary tradition, the form and structure of stories. They also share some thoughts on these first couple of chapters. Join us again next week for chapters 3-7!

    Visit HouseofHumaneLetters.com for updates on classes with Angelina, Thomas, and other members of their teaching team.

    Commonplace Quotes:

    To what extent people draw their ideas from fiction is disputable. Personally, I believe that most people are influenced far more than they would care to admit by novels, serial stories, films, and so forth, and that from this point of view, the worst books are often the most important.

    George Orwell, in "Boys' Weeklies"

    Do you think I am trying to weave a spell? Perhaps I am, but remember your fairy tales. Spells are used for breaking enchantments as well as inducing them, and you and I have need of the strongest spell that can be found to wake us from the evil enchantment of worldliness that has been laid upon us for nearly a hundred years.

    C. S. Lewis, from "The Weight of Glory" A Selection from "A School Song"

    By Rudyard Kipling

    'Let us now praise famous men' - Men of little showing - For their work continueth, And their work continueth, Broad and deep continueth, Greater than their knowing!And we all praise famous men - Ancients of the College;For they taught us common sense - Tried to teach us common sense Truth and God's Own Common Sense, Which is more than knowledge! Book List:

    Cormoran Strike series by Robert Galbraith

    The Giver by Lois Lowry

    Holes by Louis Sachar

    The Tiger in the Smoke by Margery Allingham

    Tom Brown's School Days by Thomas Hughes

    Stalky and Co. by Rudyard Kipling

    The Hobbit by J. R. R. Tolkien

    Support The Literary Life:

    Become a patron of The Literary Life podcast as part of the "Friends and Fellows Community" on Patreon, and get some amazing bonus content! Thanks for your support!

    Connect with Us:

    You can find Angelina and Thomas at HouseofHumaneLetters.com, on Instagram @angelinastanford, and on Facebook at www.facebook.com/ANGStanford/

    Follow The Literary Life on Instagram, and jump into our private Facebook group, The Literary Life Discussion Group, and let's get the book talk going! http://bit.ly/literarylifeFB


    Episode 231: What to Do When The Literary Life Feels Overwhelming Jul 02, 2024
    Show notes

    This week on The Literary Life podcast Angelina Stanford is joined by friends and fellow readers Cindy Rollins, Emily Raible, and Jone Rose to discuss how to deal with overwhelm with your literary life. Angelina opens the conversation with the acknowledgment that everyone has moments when they feel overwhelmed by the amount of things to read and to know. Jone talks about how she tries to avoid comparing herself and her reading life to that of others. Cindy talks about how she has seen the Enemy twist something that is a good gift and made it into a negative.

    Other encouraging and helpful ideas they discuss are the following: motivation of making connections, how to work up to more challenging books, protecting your brain and attention span, learning to enjoy the feast, and continuing the literary life for the long haul.

    Find out more about Cindy's summer Narration Bootcamps over at MorningTimeforMoms.com. Look for more information about the summer classes over HouseofHumaneLetters.com, too!

    Commonplace Quotes:

    Now you must remember, whenever you have to deal with him, that Analysis, like fire, is a very good servant but a very bad master, for having got his freedom only of late years or so he is, like young men when they come suddenly to be their own masters, apt to be conceited and to fancy that he knows everything when he really knows nothing and can never know anything but only knows about things, which is a different matter. Emily shares her eye-opening understanding after starting out discouraged about being "behind" in her self-education journey.

    Charles Kingsley

    Words can come to the ear like blowing wind and neither stop nor remain, just passing by like fleeting time, if hearts and minds aren't awake, aren't ready and willing to receive them. Only the heart can take them in and hold them and keep them.

    Chrétrien de Troyes, trans. by Burton Raffel, from Yvain, The Knight of the Lion

    I have my doubts about all this real value in mountaineering, of getting to the top of everywhere and overlooking everything. Satan was the most celebrated of alpine guides when he took Jesus to the top of an exceeding high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the earth. But the joy of Satan standing on a peak, in not a joy in largeness, but a joy in beholding smallness in the fact that all men look like insects at his feet. It is from the valley that things look large. It is from the level that things look high. I am a child of the level and have no need of that celebrated alpine guide. Everything is an attitude of the mind, and at this moment I am in comfortable attitude. I will sit still and let the marvels and the adventures settle on me like flies. There are plenty of them, I assure you. The world will never starve for want of wonders, but only for want of wonder.

    G. K. Chesterton, from Tremendous Trifles

    And prodigies with a vengeance have I known thus produced, prodigies of self-conceit, shallowness, arrogance, and infidelity. Instead of storing the memory during the period when the memory is the predominant faculty with facts for the after-exercise of the judgement, and instead of awakening by the noblest models the fond and unmixed love and admiration which is the natural and graceful temper of early youth, these nurslings of improved pedagogy are taught to dispute and decide, to suspect all but their own and their lecturers' wisdom and to hold nothing sacred from their contempt but their own contemptible arrogance, boy graduates in all the technicals and in all the dirty passions and impudence of anonymous criticism.

    Samuel Taylor Coleridge, as quoted in Mariner by Malcom Guite from "Il Penseroso"

    by John Bunyan

    But let my due feet never failTo walk the studious cloister's pale,And love the high embowed roof,With antique pillars massy proof,And storied windows richly dight,Casting a dim religious light.There let the pealing organ blow,To the full-voic'd quire below,In service high, and anthems clear,As may with sweetness, through mine ear,Dissolve me into ecstasies,And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes.And may at last my weary ageFind out the peaceful hermitage,The hairy gown and mossy cell,Where I may sit and rightly spellOf every star that Heav'n doth shew,And every herb that sips the dew;Till old experience do attainTo something like prophetic strain.These pleasures, Melancholy, give,And I with thee will choose to live. Book List:

    Beyond Mere Motherhood by Cindy Rollins

    The Life of Samuel Johnson by James Boswell

    Little Women by Louisa May Alcott

    Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson

    The Hobbit by J. R. R. Tolkien

    Support The Literary Life:

    Become a patron of The Literary Life podcast as part of the "Friends and Fellows Community" on Patreon, and get some amazing bonus content! Thanks for your support!

    Connect with Us:

    You can find Angelina and Thomas at HouseofHumaneLetters.com, on Instagram @angelinastanford, and on Facebook at www.facebook.com/ANGStanford/

    Find Cindy at morningtimeformoms.com, on Instagram @cindyordoamoris and on Facebook at www.facebook.com/CindyRollinsWriter. Check out Cindy's own Patreon page also!

    Follow The Literary Life on Instagram, and jump into our private Facebook group, The Literary Life Discussion Group, and let's get the book talk going! http://bit.ly/literarylifeFB


    Episode 230: "Best of" Series – "Why I Write" by George Orwell, Ep. 16 Jun 25, 2024
    Show notes

    For this week's "Best of The Literary Life" series episode, we revisit a conversation about George Orwell's essay "Why I Write." Angelina and Cindy kick off the discussion about how much they each identify with Orwell's description of his childhood. In his story of learning to write, we see many aspects of a good education, even his inclination to imitate other authors. An important point Angelina brings up is Orwell's own struggle against the calling he felt to write, in contrast to having an ambition to do so. Angelina brings up a related story about musician Gregory Alan Isakov, and Cindy reiterates the idea of why we need leisure in order to find our vocation.

    Cindy and Angelina also bring out some of the qualities Orwell possessed that make a good writer. Maturity as a human being and as a master of a craft are crucial to certain forms of writing, as Orwell points out about his own work. Other topics of conversation include truth-telling in writing, the motives for writing according to Orwell, and the growing process of writers.

    If you want to find replays of the 2019 Back to School online conference referenced in this episode, you can purchase them in Cindy's shop at MorningTimeforMoms.com. For replays of the How to Love Poetry webinar with Thomas, you can find those at HouseofHumaneLetters.com.

    Check out the schedule for the podcast's summer episodes on our Upcoming Events page.

    Commonplace Quotes:

    Never had she seen it so clearly as on this evening — what destiny had demanded of her and what it had given her in return with her seven sons. Over and over again joy had quickened the beat of her heart; fear on their behalf had rent it in two. They were her children, these big sons with their lean, bony, boy's bodies, just as they had been when they were small and so plump that they barely hurt themselves when they tumbled down on their way between the bench and her knee. They were hers, just as they had been back when she lifted them out of the cradle to her milk-filled breast and had to support their heads, which wobbled on their frail necks the way a bluebell nods on its stalk. Wherever they ended in the world, wherever they journeyed, forgetting their mother– she thought that for her, their lives would be like a current in her own life; they would be one with her, just as they had been when she alone on this earth knew about the new life hidden inside, drinking from her blood and making her cheeks pale.

    Sigrid Undset, from Kristen Lavransdatter

    Orwell was a poet who happened to find his medium in prose, a poet not so much in his means of expression as in the nature of his vision, which could strip the sprawling tangle of the world around him down to its core with the simplicity of a timeless flash of intuition.

    C. M. Wodehouse, from the introduction to Animal Farm Veni, Creator Spiritus

    by John Dryden

    Creator Spirit, by whose aid The world's foundations first were laid, Come, visit ev'ry pious mind; Come, pour thy joys on human kind; From sin, and sorrow set us free; And make thy temples worthy Thee.

    O, Source of uncreated Light, The Father's promis'd Paraclete! Thrice Holy Fount, thrice Holy Fire, Our hearts with heav'nly love inspire; Come, and thy Sacred Unction bring To sanctify us, while we sing!

    Plenteous of grace, descend from high, Rich in thy sev'n-fold energy! Thou strength of his Almighty Hand, Whose pow'r does heav'n and earth command: Proceeding Spirit, our Defence, Who do'st the gift of tongues dispence, And crown'st thy gift with eloquence!

    Refine and purge our earthly parts; But, oh, inflame and fire our hearts! Our frailties help, our vice control; Submit the senses to the soul; And when rebellious they are grown, Then, lay thy hand, and hold 'em down.

    Chase from our minds th' Infernal Foe; And peace, the fruit of love, bestow; And, lest our feet should step astray, Protect, and guide us in the way.

    Make us Eternal Truths receive, And practise, all that we believe: Give us thy self, that we may see The Father and the Son, by thee.

    Immortal honour, endless fame, Attend th' Almighty Father's name: The Saviour Son be glorified, Who for lost Man's redemption died: And equal adoration be, Eternal Paraclete, to thee.

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    Animal Farm by George Orwell

    P. G. Wodehouse

    The Fellowship: The Literary Lives of the Inklings by Philip and Carol Zaleski

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