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Between We and They: A School Integration Story (Part 1) Oct 14, 2019

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Beth is a mom of two grappling with race, parenting and her own privilege in America. Looking back over the past year, we follow Beth as she learns how the choices she makes for her daughters’ schooling shapes how she lives in her city… where she belongs, who she calls “WE.”

In Part 1 - Something feels very wrong… Beth wonders about her choice to send her two kids to the highly sought after school in her neighborhood. What does it mean for one family to make a different kind of decision?

Music in this episode by Blue Dot Sessions.

This series was produced by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits. Audio editing and mixing by Andrew Lefkowits

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Not In My Suburbs: Milliken v. Bradley @ 45 (BONUS) Jul 25, 2019

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Today, July 25th, is the 45th anniversary of the SCOTUS ruling on the Milliken v. Bradley case. We’re joined by Michelle Adams, Constitutional Law Professor at Cardozo School of Law, who is writing a book on this important and under-appreciated case.

Based in Detroit, this case functionally halted the promise of Brown v Board of Education at the city limits, allowing all-white suburbs (created through policies like redlining) to maintain all-white schools. We talk about the history of the case, and what it means today.

LINKS:

–Parents Involved v Seattle Schools

–Keyes v Denver School District 1

–Swann v Mecklenburg

–Brown v Board of Ed

-Complete audio from the opinion, including the entirety of Justice Marshall’s dissent

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Busing: The Terms of the Debate (BONUS) Jul 17, 2019

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We’re joined by Matt Delmont. He’s the Sherman Fairchild Distinguished Professor of History at Dartmouth College, and he wrote the book on busing – 2016’s Why Busing Failed: Race, Media, and the National Resistance to School Desegregation. Given the prominence “busing” has had in discussions about school desegregation, particularly in light of the exchange between Kamala Harris and Joe Biden at a recent democratic presidential primary debate, we thought we’d take a break from taking a break, and talk about “busing”.

LINKS:

–Why Busing Failed: Race, Media, and the National Resistance to School Desegregation – Dr. Delmont’s 2016 book on desegregation

–There’s a Generational Shift in the Debate Over Busing – Dr. Delmont in The Atlantic

–How Desegregation Became the Third Rail of Democratic Politics – Dr. Delmont and Jeanne Theoharis in the Washington Post

–It Was Never About Busing – Nikole Hannah-Jones from the NY Times

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The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits.

This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Courtney Mykytyn. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits.

Music by Kevin Casey.

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ICYMI: Seeing White (BONUS) Jul 10, 2019

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The Duke Center for Documentary Studies produces as podcast called Scene On Radio. From February to August of 2017, they released a 14 part series called Seeing White. Many discussions of race focus on anyone who isn’t White, leaving Whiteness as the default, or the norm. This series, as they say, turns the lens around to look at Whiteness directly – what does it mean? where did it come from?

We are thrilled to present some highlights from their series here, with some additional discussion of how these topics relate more directly to school integration. We highly recommend listening to the entire series, as we think it holds incredibly important lessons about race, about America, and about how we might move forward as a country.

As a disclaimer, in editing together this episode, we have left behind a lot of the context, and while the ideas speak for themselves, at times, they may feel like a pretty bit leap. If you feel yourself questioning the arguments they are making, we suggest listening to the full series to get the entire context.

Huge thanks to Scene on Radio and John Biewen for allowing us to use their content.

You can find Scene on Radio on Twitter at @SceneOnRadio.

Dr. Chengerai Kumanyika is @catchatweetdown.

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ICYMI: The Miseducation Podcast (BONUS) Jun 26, 2019

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While we are off preparing for a new season starting in the fall, we wanted to share a few of our favorite podcasts, so you don’t forget about us. We regularly hear that we should include student voices, and, while we are working on that for a future episode, in the mean time, we’re thrilled to be able to bring you an episode of The Miseducation Podcast. This is a student driven podcast from New York City, and we’ve been blown away by the insight these students have on the issues of segregation.

Huge thanks to the Misedcuation team for allowing us to share this episode with you. Please subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts.

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Ep 23 - Grappling with Brown v. Board (BvB@65) May 22, 2019

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In this final episode of the series Brown v. Board at 65: The Stories We Tell Ourselves, we take some time to grapple with the stories we have heard. Reflecting on what our guests have shared (Dr. Rucker Johnson, Dr. Noliwe Rooks, Dr. Amanda Lewis, David Hinojosa, Greg and Carol), we talk with Anna about what we have learned and where we go from here. For the path forward, why does it matter to distinguish between desegregation and integration, to decenter Whiteness, and to think about the interactions between policy and cultural shifts?

LINKS:

Children of the Dream: Why School Integration Works – Rucker Johnson
Cutting School: Privatization, Segregation, and the End of Public Education – Noliwe Rooks
Despite The Best Intentions: How Racial Inequality Thrives in Good Schools – Amanda Lewis and John Diamond
Linda Darling-Hammond

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Ep 22 - I Hope They Hear It In Our Voices (BvB@65) May 15, 2019

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In the fifth episode in our Brown v. Board at 65: The Stories We Tell Ourselves series, we step away from scholarship to take a moment to listen. I Hope They Hear it in Our Voices is a conversation with two Black parents who live in different parts of the U.S. and who have had very different -- yet very similar -- school experiences. Greg and Carol tell us a lot about how far we have (not) come since Brown v. Board, about how much work we still have to do, and the very real costs of “access to resources”. With deep gratitude for their willingness to share their stories, we listen.

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Ep 21 - Beyond Black and White with David Hinojosa (BvB@65) May 08, 2019

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For the fourth episode in our Brown v. Board at 65: The Stories We Tell Ourselves series, we talk with Civil Rights attorney David Hinojosa. School segregation is too often painted as binary issue between Black and White people; learning other histories shows that this is far from true. Complicating the picture of what preceded and came as a result of Brown v. Board, David shares a history lesson on the segregation of Latinx communities across the US since the late 1800s. We discuss the politics of race and language, the importance of shared experiences and the deep fights for educational justice that continue to this day.

LINKS:

–San Antonio Independent School District v. Rodriguez

–Richard Valencia

–The Lemon Grove Incident

–Mendez v. Westminster

–Hernandez v. Texas

–Santamaria v. Dallas ISD

–Patricia Gandara on the triple segregation of Latinx people

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Ep20 - Amanda Lewis on Desegregation Without Integration (BvB@65) May 01, 2019

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Amanda Lewis (Despite the Best Intentions: How Racial Inequality Thrives in Good Schools, co-authored with John Diamond) joins us for this third episode of our Brown v. Board at 65: The Stories We Tell Ourselves series. Dr. Lewis’s research takes her to a school that is desegregated on paper but segregated within the building. It is a school, like many, with “race neutral” policies that hide the very real racialized practices in the building. Add to that a dose of opportunity hoarding, and equitable policies become very difficult to institute. Brown v. Board focused on desegregating schools rather than integrating classrooms, but the story we tell about it is that it ended our racist school policies. While that may feel good, our “good intentions” do not absolve us from the impact of our actions.

LINKS:

Amanda Lewis Race In The Schoolyard
Karolyn Tyson Integration Interrupted
Charles Tilley on Opportunity Hoarding

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Ep 19 - Segrenomics, Black Teachers, and Noliwe Rooks (BvB@65) Apr 24, 2019

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For the second episode in our Brown v. Board at 65: The Stories We Tell Ourselves series, we talk with Dr. Noliwe Rooks (Cornell). Her book, Cutting School: Privatization, Segregation, and the End of Public Education, as well as some of her more recent research around the pushback to school desegregation from communities of color and the decimation of the Black teaching corps following Brown v. Board, provide context in which to understand the full range of outcomes from Brown v Board.

While Dr. Johnson, in Ep 18, showed us some of the many benefits of desegregation, Dr. Rooks reminds us of many of the costs, especially to the Black community. She asks us to engage with these stories in order to understand the very real intent behind where we find ourselves today. It is only through changing the stories we tell, that we might envision a different, more equitable future for school integration.

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The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits.

This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Courtney Mykytyn. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits.

Music by Kevin Casey.

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