The Gray Area with Sean Illing

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Why public opinion turned on AI Jul 17, 2026

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AI was supposed to make our lives better. Instead, it’s made many of us scared and angry. Communities are protesting data centers across the country, and polling shows most Americans think AI is moving too fast.In today's episode, guest host Miles Bryan talks with independent journalist Jasmine Sun, who argues that public attitudes toward AI are undergoing a fundamental shift. Jasmine argues that AI is seen not simply as a technology to adopt, but as an elite political project to resist. The two discuss “AI populism,” the parallels with the Industrial Revolution, how public opinion about AI may affect US politics, and how the leaders of Silicon Valley are unprepared for the growing backlash against AI.

Guest Host: Miles Bryan, Vox reporter and senior producer

Guest:Jasmine Sun, journalist

Find Jasmine’s Substack here: https://jasmi.news/

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A skeptic considers the case for God Jul 13, 2026

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Sean talks with writer Liz Bruenig about faith, doubt, and the experience of believing in God in a modern, skeptical age. They discuss religious experience, the limits of science, the appeal of cynicism, Dostoevsky, beauty, mystery, and whether belief is ultimately a choice. They also explore why religion persists and whether living with uncertainty is itself a form of faith.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling)

Guest: Elizabeth Bruenig (@ebruenig)

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The “Godzilla El Niño” is coming Jul 10, 2026

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Sean talks with journalist David Wallace-Wells about a looming climate event that could make 2027 one of the hottest years ever recorded. They discuss the return of El Niño, why some scientists are calling it a “Godzilla El Niño,” and what it could reveal about the future of global warming. They also explore climate adaptation, political complacency, extreme weather, technological progress, and whether humanity is prepared for the world it’s creating.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling)

Guest: David Wallace-Wells (@dwallacewells)

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The “real” America at 250 Jul 03, 2026

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Who are America’s heroes? Who deserves our admiration and a place in our nation’s story?

In today’s episode, guest host Jonquilyn Hill talks with constitutional law professor Kermit Roosevelt about his book The Nation That Never Was: Reconstructing America’s Story, which argues that America’s most important ancestors are not the founding fathers but the heroes of Reconstruction. The two discuss the importance of founding myths, why Americans are constantly fighting over “the real America,” and what it means to be American.

Guest Host: Jonquilyn Hill, Host of Vox’s Explain It To Me podcast

Guest: Kermit Roosevelt, constitutional law professor and author of The Nation That Never Was: Reconstructing America’s Story

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How to fix America’s spiritual crisis Jun 29, 2026

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Sean talks with Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy about the crisis lurking beneath America's political dysfunction. Murphy’s new book “Crisis of the Common Good” argues that the country is suffering from a collapse of connection, belonging, and purpose. They discuss loneliness, powerlessness, liberalism, democracy, Trumpism, corporate power, social media, and why so many Americans feel disconnected from their communities, their institutions, and each other.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling)

Guest: Sen. Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT)

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The end of the human internet Jun 26, 2026

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Sean talks with Atlantic writer Charlie Warzel about the increasingly weird experience of being online. They discuss AI-generated content, bots, algorithms, the “dead internet theory,” and why so much of the web now feels artificial, manipulated, or unreal. They also explore psyops, conspiracy culture, social media, and the deeper question lurking beneath the AI boom: What are human beings actually for?

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling)

Guest: Charlie Warzel (@cwarzel)

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The expectations on men Jun 22, 2026

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Sean talks with journalist Jordan Ritter Conn about his book “American Men,” an intimate look at four men trying to figure out what manhood and masculinity have given them versus what they have cost them, and what to do with the gap between the men they think they’re supposed to be and the men they actually are. They talk about being fathers and sons as well as about violence, shame, ambition, male friendship, loneliness, and why being a “good man” might mean finally letting go of the desire to perform manhood.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling)

Guest: Jordan Ritter Conn (@jordanconn)

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Canceling Plato Jun 19, 2026

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Who gets to decide what’s taught in college classrooms? And should the answer be different at private colleges than at public universities?

In today’s episode, guest host Avishay Artsy speaks to philosophy professor Martin Peterson about why Texas A&M University asked him to stop teaching part of Plato’s “Symposium.” The two discuss academic freedom, who gets to decide what’s taught in university classrooms, and the value of Plato’s writing. The episode explores what happens when politics and educational values collide on campus.

Host: Avishay Artsy, Vox Supervising Producer

Guest: Martin Peterson, Professor of Philosophy at Texas A&M University

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How to feel more secure Jun 15, 2026

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Sean talks with psychiatrist and neuroscientist Amir Levine about attachment, insecurity, and why our relationships shape us more than we think. They discuss his updated framework for anxious, avoidant, and secure attachment styles, why being ignored or excluded can feel so threatening, and how small everyday interactions can either calm the brain or send it spiraling. They also dig into childhood dynamics, therapy, conflict, friendship, loneliness, and different ways we can build more secure lives.
Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling)

Guest: Amir Levine, psychiatrist, neuroscientist, and author of Secure: the revolutionary guide to creating a secure life

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The people who want AI to replace us Jun 12, 2026

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Sean talks with writer Sigal Samuel about AI successionism, the growing movement that sees artificial intelligence as humanity’s rightful successor. They discuss why some people in the AI world think humanity should be replaced, how this vision borrows from old religious ideas about salvation and transcendence, and why artificial intelligence is a dangerous thing to worship. This episode was produced in partnership with Vox's Future Perfect.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling)

Guest: Sigal Samuel (@SigalSamuel)

Click here to read Sigal’s article on AI successionism.

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