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    The Good Ship Illustration

    Welcome to The Good Ship Illustration – the podcast for illustrators who are quietly working away in their sketchbooks thinking… “is it just me?”

    …it’s not just you!

    We’re Helen Stephens, Katie Chappell and Tania Willis – three full-time illustrators from three different corners of the industry (and three different age brackets ). We live in the same seaside town in the UK and started having cuppas and chats… and accidentally became illustration agony aunts.

    Now we record those chats for you! We answer your questions about confidence, tricky clients, pricing your work, creative block, picture books, publishing, and everything in between.

    ✨ New episodes every Friday. ✨

    Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts, and do send us your questions!

    P.s. Fancy some freebies? Head to thegoodshipillustration.com for colour workshops, picture book templates, and other treats.

    Byeeee for now!

     x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)

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    The illustration job nobody tells you about 🌈 Nov 06, 2026
    Show notes

    It's Tania Willis is in the hot seat this week (have you heard of her? That name rings a bell...) and our Katie is grilling her about maps!

    We dug out our dusty listener question spreadsheet and the first one out was a good 'un: how long does a map take?

    HOW LONG IS A PIECE OF STRING?

    Tania is going to tell you. Just hit play and snuggle in, ok?

    Timestamps, for the timestamp fans:

    00:00 – How long?
    02:30 – Map scales
    04:30 – Off-plan fantasy
    05:30 – Blue and green
    07:30 – Problem-solving
    09:00 – That dog
    11:30 – Mouse mats?!
    13:30 – Accidental cartography
    15:00 – Morning pages
    19:00 – Resistance
    20:30 – Play first
    21:30 – Black outlines
    22:00 – Peer pressure

    Links mentioned:

    🎨 Free colour workshop (in the freebies section): https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com
    📖 The Artist’s Way by Julia Cameron: https://juliacameronlive.com
    🌱 Creative Wellbeing by Studio Emie: https://www.emmi.co.uk/the-creative-wellbeing-handbook
    🚩 Freak Flag: https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/freakflag

    Byeeee for now!

    x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)

    P.S. Are you feelin' a bit stuck? May we recommend the genius (and free!) colour workshop? It's v low pressure paint-along vibes. Aaand it’s what got Helen to ditch her black outlines for her book Smelly Peggy!
    TADAAA: https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/colour

    Come and say hello!
    ✏️ @thegoodshipillustration
    🌏 www.thegoodshipillustration.com
    p.s. We love answering your illustration questions. Click here to submit your question for The Good Ship Illustration Podcast 🎙


    How do I get my work featured? With Creative Boom's Katy Cowan Oct 30, 2026
    Show notes

    This week our Katie chats to Katy Cowan, founding editor of Creative Boom, the independent platform that's been cheering on creatives of every background for 17 years. It started as a side project dreamed up on a sun lounger on her honeymoon (true story!) and now reaches over 300,000 readers a month.
    If you've ever wondered how illustrators get picked up by Creative Boom, Katy tells us everythiiiiing: keep sharing your work, keep your Instagram active, and make your website a nice 'n' friendly place for journalists/art directors to land.

    Grab a notebook, this one's full of amazin' tips 💛

    Timestamps, for the timestamp fans:

    00:00 – Meet Katy
    01:00 – Gatekeeping
    03:00 – Goody gatekeepers
    04:00 – "You're not in trouble"
    05:00 – Marketing when you're shy
    06:30 – Hiding behind the brand
    07:00 – 2024
    10:30 – A new brainstorming buddy
    11:30 – AI, the nuanced bit
    14:30 – Where the work is
    15:30 – The perfect storm
    16:30 – The tightrope
    17:30 – The future is human
    19:30 – The courage to be disliked
    20:30 – Getting featured
    23:30 – Press-ready websites
    25:00 – GEO
    25:30 – Honeymoon ideas
    26:30 – Slipped Disc
    27:00 – Being enough

    Links mentioned:
    🌟 Creative Boom: https://www.creativeboom.com
    🎧 The Creative Boom Podcast: https://www.creativeboom.com/podcast/
    📸 Creative Boom on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/creativeboom/
    🎶 Katy's personal Instagram (for the Slipped Disc DJ videos): https://www.instagram.com/katylcowan/
    🎨 Sarah Martinon, the illustrator behind the Hermès campaign Katy mentions: https://www.instagram.com/sarahmartinon/
    🚢 The Good Ship Illustration: https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com
    Byeeee for now!
    x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)

    Come and say hello!
    ✏️ @thegoodshipillustration
    🌏 www.thegoodshipillustration.com
    p.s. We love answering your illustration questions. Click here to submit your question for The Good Ship Illustration Podcast 🎙


    How to stay in touch with your illustration clients without being annoying - part 2 of our @MadebyJames interview Oct 23, 2026
    Show notes

    James Martin (aka @MadebyJames) is baaack! Part one was your starter, and this week is the chonky main course. James did promise to come back with something v useful, and he kept his word.

    Buckle in for a step-by-step formula to help you build relationships with the people you'd love to work with.

    There is absolutely NO cold emailing or cheesey self-promotion involved.

    Timestamps, for the timestamp fans:

    00:00 – Welcome back James, and why part two is all about the practical stuff
    01:00 – A brand is really just a way of getting more opportunity
    02:00 – What James means by "opportunity design"
    02:45 – The book Obvious Adams
    04:00 – Why you should ask your clients for feedback, not other creatives
    06:00 – Why complicated marketing advice makes us feel silly
    07:30 – Good business relationships take time (you can't skip straight to "here's my work, give me money")
    09:00 – Sandboxes: pressure-free 20-minute conversations
    10:45 – Introvert? Start your first sandbox with a friend
    11:50 – Everything good in your life started with one conversation
    13:30 – Physical mailers and the "effort heuristic"
    15:45 – The 5-3-1 framework: five existing clients, three strategic relationships, one aspirational one
    19:00 – Focusing on just nine people, and starting a relationship journal
    21:30 – The time exchange library
    23:30 – What to send when you're following the seven email rule
    26:30 – Asking for a sandbox
    28:00 – The "second portfolio": gifting a scrappy idea that solves their problem
    30:45 – Reciprocity
    33:30 – Getting ready for when they look you up: your bio, profile pic and a "how to work with me" PDF
    37:00 – Cold emails are gross and they don't even work

    Links mentioned:

    • Part one of our chat with James was last week (we'll add the link here when we have it)
    • James's Substack: https://madebyjames.substack.com
    • James's free Super Duper Mentorship for emerging creatives: https://madebyjames.substack.com/p/join-my-free-mentorship-program
    • James on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/made_by_james
    • James's new book, No Bullsh*t Branding: https://www.quarto.com/books/9781577159452/no-bullsh-t-branding
    • Obvious Adams by Robert R. Updegraff
    • Hype Yourself by Lucy Werner: https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/hype-yourself-a-no-nonsense-pr-toolkit-for-small-businesses-lucy-werner/b3b30df91155c107?ean=9781788601238&next=t&affiliate=11858&ref=hypeyourself.com
    • Our episode with Kira Matthews (the seven email rule): https://podcasts.apple.com/ie/podcast/the-7-email-rule-pitching-your-work-to-illustration/id1526470404?i=1000757654276

    Byeeee for now!

    x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)

    Come and say hello!
    ✏️ @thegoodshipillustration
    🌏 www.thegoodshipillustration.com
    p.s. We love answering your illustration questions. Click here to submit your question for The Good Ship Illustration Podcast 🎙


    Is there any point becoming an illustrator now that AI is here? An interview with James Martin @madebyjames PART 1! Oct 16, 2026
    Show notes

    Trigger warning: In this episode, James talks openly about his experience of childhood sexual abuse, as well as addiction (drugs and alcohol). It's mentioned briefly in the 06:52 to 11:00 section and discussed again from 45:23. There's also plenty of strong language throughout. Look after yourself and skip this episode/seek support if you need it.

    This week our Katie is chatting to James Martin, AKA @MadebyJames. He's a designer, author, Canva design advisory board member & creative partner at Lincoln Design Co.

    James is nice an' honest about the wiggly creative career road that got him to where he is today.

    We chat about the "gravity of average" and why everyone's starting to look and sound the same, an economist with two ice cream sellers on a beach 🍦, whether there's any point becoming an illustrator now AI is here aaaand why your weirdness is more valuable than ever. 😎 FLY YOUR FREAK FLAG!!

    ALSO, this is part one of two - next instalment is coming next week.

    Timestamps, for the timestamp fans:

    00:00 – Welcome James Martin, aka Made by James, and a quick intro to who he is and what he does
    02:43 – The world has never been more distracting
    06:29 – James's journey: school, trauma, addiction, and finding his way to an art foundation
    11:00 – Falling forward into graphic design
    15:03 – Following your gut and doing more of what lights you up
    18:09 – Writing No Bullsh*t Branding
    21:11 – Ddopamine
    25:06 – Is there any point becoming an illustrator now that AI is here?
    29:54 – The "gravity of average" and how systems pull everyone towards the middle
    32:53 – Hotelling's Law, ice cream sellers on a beach, and why opportunity lives at the edges
    38:08 – Time, the long game, and "automate the predictable, humanise the meaningful"
    41:44 – Bring back dilly dallying!
    42:04 – Your weirdness as your difference: taste, story and point of view
    45:23 – Feeling scared to be yourself, and why James chose to share his story
    49:29 – Being real online vs oversharing, and sharing from the scar, not the open wound
    52:24 – Gary V, 500 pieces of content a week, and the performance trap
    53:11 – James's mission, his three-step plan, and eating your own dog food
    56:10 – Round two is coming!

    Links mentioned:

    • James's Substack: https://madebyjames.substack.com
    • James's free Super Duper Mentorship for emerging creatives: https://madebyjames.substack.com/p/join-my-free-mentorship-program
    • James on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/made_by_james
    • James's new book, No Bullsh*t Branding: https://www.quarto.com/books/9781577159452/no-bullsh-t-branding

    Byeeee for now!

    x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)


    Come and say hello!
    ✏️ @thegoodshipillustration
    🌏 www.thegoodshipillustration.com
    p.s. We love answering your illustration questions. Click here to submit your question for The Good Ship Illustration Podcast 🎙


    Lessons from our 'failures' + Illustration Business Club doors close tonight! Oct 09, 2026
    Show notes

    This week, you're stuck with Katie and Helen again, answering more of your businessy questions (Tania's back next week! Don't cry! She's coming back, really!)

    RIP to our dear friend and editor Deirdre McDermott of Walker Books, who died recently. Dee was a legend. We don't have the words to do her justice here, but we miss her very very much. 💛 And of course, Smelly Peggy too.

    Timestamps, for the timestamp fans:

    00:00 – Helen and Katie are back
    00:45 – Any consistency hacks? Katie's summer of posting every day
    01:45 – Reposting old posts
    02:45 – When your illustration work 'flops'
    03:30 – Stop when the fun runs out
    04:30 – Illustrator's boob
    06:15 – 2012 washing powder
    08:00 – The rise and pause of Katie's jobs board
    10:45 – Being misunderstood online
    11:45 – "Get over yourself"
    13:00 – Helen's online school visit that didn't quite work
    15:45 – Lessons
    17:00 – Helen's year out
    18:45 – Finding Your Creative Voice
    19:30 – Remembering Deirdre McDermott of Walker Books

    Links mentioned:

    • Illustration Business Club: https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/business
    • Find Your Creative Voice: Fly Your Freak Flag (with Helen's video about her year out): https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/freak-flag
    • Helen's free online school visit: https://www.helenstephens.com/virtual-school-visit
    • Walker Books: https://www.walker.co.uk

    Byeeee for now!

    x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)

    p.s. It's the last day! The Illustration Business Club doors close TONIGHT, Friday 9th October, at 10pm UK time. There's an option to pay in 10 smaller instalments, and we'd love to see you in there before they shut. https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/business

    Come and say hello!
    ✏️ @thegoodshipillustration
    🌏 www.thegoodshipillustration.com
    p.s. We love answering your illustration questions. Click here to submit your question for The Good Ship Illustration Podcast 🎙


    Help! Posting my illustration work makes me cringe 😬 Oct 02, 2026
    Show notes

    This week it's just Helen and Katie here (helloo - Tania was off in Naples eating pizza for us. We were living vicariously through her.)

    Let's get stuck in and answer your excellent questions about marketing your illustration work.

    "I just don't know where to begin!" and overcoming our arch nemesis: cringe.

    Plus SLOTH FACTS. You're welcome.

    Timestamps, for the timestamp fans:

    00:00 – Time off is good for you, and good for business
    01:00 – Helen's short, intense work bursts on the latest Salty book
    02:00 – Take the bus
    03:00 – "Where do I start with marketing?"
    04:00 – Trying on hats (and taking them back off)
    04:45 – The creative car and the business car
    06:00 – Brilliant work nobody sees vs brilliant marketing that needs more art car time
    07:00 – Seven ways to get your work in front of picture book publishers
    08:30 – Low-pressure Instagram and the overflowing camera roll
    09:30 – If we were starting again: website, portfolio etc.
    11:00 – Ditch the "aspiring", "wannabe" and "itty bitty" labels
    11:30 – Cringe
    12:45 – Caveman brains
    15:00 – It's not meant to be easy
    16:15 – "How do I get over myself?"
    17:15 – Seeking validation vs showing up to share your goodies
    18:00 – Illustration Business Club doors are open, plus the new 10-pay option
    19:45 – Art Club, sloth ribs and a guinea pig Wild West village

    Links mentioned:

    • Illustration Business Club: https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/business
    • The Association of Illustrators: https://theaoi.com
    • SCBWI British Isles: https://britishisles.scbwi.org
    • Northumberland Zoo: https://www.northumberlandzoo.co.uk/

    Byeeee for now!

    x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)

    p.s. Get your illustration business ducks in a row. 🐥 🐥 🐥 The Illustration Business Club doors are open now, with a new option to pay in 10 smaller instalments.

    We'd love to have you sailing with us! https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/business

    Come and say hello!
    ✏️ @thegoodshipillustration
    🌏 www.thegoodshipillustration.com
    p.s. We love answering your illustration questions. Click here to submit your question for The Good Ship Illustration Podcast 🎙


    "I hadn't drawn for 21 years" an interview with Jo Overend 🐥 Sep 30, 2026
    Show notes

    Jo Overend is in da house (ship?)

    But first, Illustration Business Club is finally OPEN! It's been over a year since we last flung the doors open and we'd love to have you sailing with us! https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/business

    Jo is an author-illustrator, an OG Good Shipper, and the author and illustrator of Megaduck (her debut picture book with Walker Books) 🐥

    When Jo started out, she hadn't drawn for 21 years. She posted her drawings anyway, eeeeven the ones she didn't like, and sometimes three to five Instagram posts a day (!!!)

    Timestamps:

    00:00 – Hello Jo (and Megaduck, in giant cardboard cutout form)
    00:23 – Megaduck's final artwork is done and handed over to Walker Books
    01:03 – Getting final artwork finished alongside full-on childcare
    01:56 – Setting the goal of a full colour dummy for Bologna
    02:57 – Walking into shops with your prints (terrifying!) and taking the wholesale leap
    03:37 – Why rejection is almost never about you
    05:46 – Katie's human design corner: give people something to say yes or no to
    06:10 – Sending Walker seven more book ideas without waiting for a meeting
    07:01 – Posting real things to agents and publishers, and the "is it worth the stamp?" wobble
    09:13 – Why genuine, thoughtful post gets remembered
    10:10 – Agents and publishers actually WANT your follow-up email
    11:42 – Jo's Illustration Business Club experience
    12:23 – Getting stocked in her favourite shop, and growing into wholesale
    13:12 – Community, competitions, and winning the Picture Hooks mentorship (plus a book deal the same week!)
    14:34 – Tania's "friendly stalking" method for finding art directors
    15:50 – "Have we met?" How Jo's postcards got there before she did
    16:57 – Helen's broccoli theory of being seen
    17:25 – The anonymous egg problem, and why a face (or a logo) builds trust
    18:29 – Jo's advice for scared, shy, overwhelmed illustrators
    19:04 – Not drawing for 21 years, then posting 3 to 5 doodles a day
    22:02 – Megaduck news: US in February, UK in March, and Megaduck 2 on the way
    23:07 – Trying all the little things: kids' workshops, wholesale and more
    24:40 – Keep your radar open
    25:16 – Where to find Jo, plus her Substack and Patreon plans


    Links mentioned:

    • Jo's website: https://www.jooverendillustration.com/
    • Jo on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joverendillustration/
    • Jo's Substack: https://jooverendillustration.substack.com/
    • Megaduck (US edition): https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/835922/megaduck-by-jo-overend-illustrated-by-jo-overend/
    • Picture Hooks: https://www.picturehooks.org.uk/

    Byeeee for now!
    x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)

    p.s. Soooo much of what Jo talks about here ties in v well with what's inside Illustration Business Club. The doors are open right now and we'd love to have you in there with us! https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/business

    Come and say hello!
    ✏️ @thegoodshipillustration
    🌏 www.thegoodshipillustration.com
    p.s. We love answering your illustration questions. Click here to submit your question for The Good Ship Illustration Podcast 🎙


    Do I need loads of followers to get illustration work? Sep 26, 2026
    Show notes

    Fancy getting into your business car for a bit? Illustration Business Club doors are open until 9th October 2026, and you get lifetime access, so you can go at your own pace (pudding first, broccoli later). We'd love to have you sailing with us https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/business

    ///

    We recorded this podcast LIVE on Instagram on Friday! (So please excuse the audio if it doesn't sound 100%) Anyways, here's the replay. Katie and Helen had a nice 'n' friendly illustration business Q&A, answering your questions as they came flying in. If we missed your question, it's nothing personal! We're doing another live Q&A next Friday too over on our Instagram @thegoodshipillustration so do come along and ask your question again :) https://www.instagram.com/thegoodshipillustration/

    Half-arse is better than no-arse.

    Timestamps, for the timestamp fans:

    00:00 – Welcome to our live Q&A podcast
    01:50 – Should you keep your children's and grown-up work on separate Instagram accounts?
    03:15 – Illustration Business Club doors, early birds and payment plans
    04:30 – Organising your website when you've got lots of income streams
    05:30 – SEO, long-tail keywords and lying down in the middle of the road
    08:45 – What are publishers looking for in a portfolio?
    12:00 – Do you need a big social media following to get started?
    14:00 – Where to start with licensing
    17:30 – How to say no when friends want you to illustrate their book
    21:45 – Should you approach an agent or go straight to publishers?
    23:30 – Instagram is not your portfolio (and half-arse is better than no arse)
    25:30 – Does business stuff apply to fine art too?
    27:15 – Your creative car and your business car
    30:00 – Working for free, "exposure" and being paid in lobsters
    30:45 – How do you stay invested in a picture book idea all the way through?
    34:00 – Pricey website hosting vs the cheaper option
    35:45 – Dealing with the newbie beginner scaries
    38:00 – When getting paid makes you tighten up
    40:00 – Structuring your days, Helen's birthday card trick and not doing a Father Ted
    43:15 – Do the fun thing first (an idiot with momentum always wins)

    Links mentioned:

    • Illustration Business Club: https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/business
    • Tania's Good Ship Illustration podcast episode with Margo Tantau on licensing from 2 weeks ago: https://pod.link/1526470404/episode/QnV6enNwcm91dC0xOTgxNTM1Nw
    • Anchoring Your Ideas So They Don't Fizzle Out (We looked into this and it's inside the Picture Book Course, not a freebie sorry!) https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/PB
    • Good Ship freebies for picture book makers and illustrators: https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/freebies
    • Louise Lockhart, The Printed Peanut: https://theprintedpeanut.co.uk/
    • Jonny Hannah: https://www.instagram.com/darktownresident/
    • Catherine Rayner: https://www.catherinerayner.co.uk/
    • Jessica Hische's "Should I Work For Free?" flowchart: https://www.creativebloq.com/news/should-you-work-for-free-jessica-hische

    Byeeee for now!
    x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)

    Come and say hello!
    ✏️ @thegoodshipillustration
    🌏 www.thegoodshipillustration.com
    p.s. We love answering your illustration questions. Click here to submit your question for The Good Ship Illustration Podcast 🎙


    Marketing *without* social media as an illustrator. Is it possible? (Illustration Business Club doors now open!) 🎉🎉🎉 Sep 25, 2026
    Show notes

    This week, we're back at the kitchen table after the summer holidays, and the doors to Illustration Business Club are officially OPEN! Wahoooo 🎉

    A quick catch-up first: Katie trying to not-work for six whole weeks, and Tania's summer spent changing her work on a big museum project.

    Then there's a nice big juicy question from a listener: can you market yourself without social media if you really hate filming yourself?

    Timestamps, for the timestamp fans:

    00:00 – Doors are open! IBC, the new 10-pay option and the early bird pricing workshop
    01:15 – Back for autumn: summer holidays, Berlin playgrounds and trying not to work
    02:45 – Tania's summer project and changing her work
    04:15 – Keeping an eye on creative funding locally
    05:30 – Why the Business Course became Illustration Business Club
    06:45 – Key dates: early birds, the introvert-friendly marketing workshop and the 12th October kick-off
    08:00 – What's inside: licensing, rights, extra income streams and expert guests
    09:15 – "What even is live illustration?" and illustration as a business
    11:00 – Listener question: can you market yourself without social media?
    11:45 – Life before Instagram
    13:30 – Tweeting your work vs trudging round art directors
    15:00 – Physical mailers
    16:30 – Why niching down makes marketing (and SEO) soooo much easier
    17:45 – Social media is not a work-getter
    18:45 – Tania's maps: letting the work do the marketing
    20:30 – Good work first, then word of mouth
    22:30 – Speaking your clients' language
    23:30 – SEO for beginners, starring Tania

    Links mentioned:

    • Illustration Business Club: https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/business
    • The Good Ship on Instagram (for Art Club): https://www.instagram.com/thegoodshipillustration/
    • Introvert-friendly marketing workshop: https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/shy

    Byeeee for now!

    x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)

    p.s. The Illustration Business Club doors are open now! Join by midday on Wednesday 30th September and you're an early bird, which means you get a seat at our live pricing workshop with all three of us at 1pm that day (it's recorded too). There's a new option to pay in 10 smaller instalments, and the doors close on Friday 9th October at 10pm UK time.

    We'd love to see you in there!

    https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/business

    p.p.s. A few dates for your diary:
    ✏️ Monday 28th September, 12.30pm UK: Art Club, #walktoseeprepare (more page prep, then drawing over the top)
    ✏️ Monday 5th October, 12.30pm UK: Art Club, starting a brand new #walktosee challenge for October
    💌 Wednesday 7th October, 1pm UK: free introvert-friendly marketing workshop, camera off allowed: [NEEDS SIGNUP LINK]
    https://www.instagram.com/thegoodshipillustration/

    Come and say hello!
    ✏️ @thegoodshipillustration
    🌏 www.thegoodshipillustration.com
    p.s. We love answering your illustration questions. Click here to submit your question for The Good Ship Illustration Podcast 🎙


    "Your old sketchbook drawings could be earning you money" - An illustration licensing chat with Margo Tantau Sep 18, 2026
    Show notes

    This week our Tania is speaking to the one and only Margo Tantau (the licensing whisperer).

    Margo is a good ship Pal, founder of Tantau Studio and you might have heard her on her brilliant podcast Windowsill Chats. Here's a link: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/windowsill-chats/id1529045232

    In this chat, Tania and Margo talk about all the important stuff liiiike:

    What is licensing? How do you get paid? Can you REALLY license work you've already made? Margo even shares her secret weapen for getting art directors to fall in love with your work.

    Some very good bits too: AI slop is NOT getting in the way of artists with real human hands. Hoorayyyy. That's good news for all of us, eh?

    Timestamps, for the timestamp fans:

    00:00 – Intro to Margo Tantau and her 360-degree licensing career
    02:30 – Welcome back to the licensing whisperer
    04:00 – Artist, shop owner, buyer, product developer, agent: Margo's done it all
    06:00 – How Lilla Rogers passed the agency baton to Margo
    10:30 – Why relationships are the real gold in licensing
    12:00 – What licensing actually is (from spice labels to Nike)
    13:00 – How you get paid: advances, royalties and typical percentages
    16:00 – Can you licence work you've already made? Yes!
    17:00 – Margo's secret weapon: show your art ON the product
    20:30 – You don't need perfect mock-ups (a drawn teacup works too)
    21:00 – A creative challenge: turn one piece into a mini collection
    23:00 – Is AI hurting licensing? Why Margo's clients say no to AI art
    25:30 – Tania's shock at the AI souvenir flood in Hong Kong
    28:00 – The hand of the artist, texture, and quality signalling
    30:30 – The UK licensing landscape, life after Surtex
    32:30 – A London licensing expo
    36:00 – People buy what they see: Margo's plates, fabrics and jacket stand
    38:00 – The Licensing Lab at Spring Fair
    39:00 – A sneaky tip for finding which exhibitors licence art
    40:30 – Should licensing-curious illustrators go to Spring Fair?
    41:30 – What does a stand actually cost?
    44:30 – Why walking a trade fair beats a day of LinkedIn research
    45:30 – Fancy matchboxes, candles, and buying things just for the art
    46:30 – The big takeaway: people still want real art
    48:30 – Community, Bologna, and the gold at the bottom of the rainbow


    Links mentioned:

    • Margo's website: https://margotantau.com/
    • Tantau Studio: https://www.tantaustudio.com/
    • Windowsill Chats podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/windowsill-chats/id1529045232
    • Windowsill Chats on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/windowsillchats
    • Spring Fair (NEC Birmingham, 7th to 10th February 2027): https://www.springfair.com


    Byeeee for now!

    x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)

    p.s. Want Margo's full licensing class? It's waiting for you inside Illustration Business Club, along with aaall the other money-and-business bits art school forgot to teach you.

    Doors open on 25th of September 2026! https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/business

    Come and say hello!
    ✏️ @thegoodshipillustration
    🌏 www.thegoodshipillustration.com
    p.s. We love answering your illustration questions. Click here to submit your question for The Good Ship Illustration Podcast 🎙


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