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    The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast with Susan Guthrie, Esq.

    Nationally acclaimed family law attorney, mediator and award-winning podcaster, Susan Guthrie is the voice you can trust on your divorce journey. After guiding countless numbers of people through the perilous world of divorce for almost 35 years, and speaking to a podcast audience of over 5 million listeners, Susan brings you the top-rated The Divorce & Beyond® Podcast, ranked in the top 1% of the more than 3.5 million podcasts in the world, to help you successfully navigate the choppy waters of the divorce process so you can sail into your beautiful BEYOND.

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    Divorce Season Is Coming: What You Need to Know Before You Make a Big Decision with Susan Guthrie on Divorce & Beyond #402 Dec 29, 2025
    Show notes

    It is the quiet week between Christmas and New Year’s. The guests have gone home, the adrenaline has worn off, and you are likely left with a heavy realization: The holidays didn’t fix it.

    If you are currently Googling "how to get a divorce" or secretly looking up attorneys while your spouse is in the other room, you are not alone. Next Monday, January 5th, is known in the legal industry as "Divorce Day," where inquiries skyrocket by 25%.

    But before you make a call that you cannot unmake, Susan Guthrie has a message for you: Stop. Just breathe.

    In this urgent and deeply practical solo episode, Susan reveals why the "smartest people" wait until March to file, and exactly what they do in January instead. Drawing on 35 years of practice, she breaks down the "Broken Promise" theory, the danger of the "New Year's Resolution Bomb," and why urgency is the enemy of a good divorce.

    If you are feeling the pressure to act, this episode is your permission slip to pause, plan, and protect your future before you ever step foot in a courtroom.

    IN THIS EPISODE, YOU WILL LEARN:

    • The "Broken Promise" Theory: Why the holidays amplify marital cracks rather than fixing them.
    • The January vs. March Strategy: Why amateurs rush to file in January, while strategists use the month for "vetting and verification".
    • The 3 Critical Questions: What you must ask yourself before you hire a professional (hint: do you know the "business reality" of your marriage?).
    • The "First Responder" Rule: Why your first call should almost never be to a lawyer—and who you should call instead.
    • The Financial Reality Check: The sobering statistic about the 41% drop in household income for women post-divorce and how to prevent it.
    • Mistakes to Avoid: Why hiring a "shark" out of fear is the fastest way to burn through $30,000+.

    FEATURED RESOURCES & DOWNLOADS:

    FREE DOWNLOAD: The "January Strategy Calendar" Don't spin your wheels this month. Susan has created a free 4-week "Pre-Season" planner to help you audit your emotions, gather financial documents, and vet professionals before you file.

    👉 Download the January Strategy Calendar Here

    NEW BLOG ARTICLE: "Why the Smartest People Wait Until March to File" Dive deeper into the strategy behind waiting and learn the specific steps to take right now to prepare for a better outcome. 👉 Read the Full Article Here

    MENTIONED EPISODES:

    "Divorce Triage" with Susan Guthrie: Learn more about selecting the right "First Responder" for your specific crisis. https://divorcebeyond.com/divorce-triage

    "We Need to Talk" with Kate Anthony: The ultimate guide to having the "I want a divorce" conversation without blowing up your life. https://divorcebeyond.com/The-Talk

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    Make the Most of Your Listening Experience:

    If this episode resonates with you, be sure to:

    • Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode.
    • Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing.
    • Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners.

    Follow Us Online:

    • Divorce & Beyond: https://divorceandbeyondpod.com,
    • IG: @divorceandbeyondpod
    Meet Our Host

    Susan E. Guthrie®, Esq. is one of the nation’s leading family law and mediation experts, with more than 35 years of experience helping individuals and families navigate divorce and conflict with clarity and compassion. She is the Immediate Past Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution, a best-selling author, and a sought-after speaker, trainer, and practice-building consultant.

    Susan recently appeared as the featured expert on The Oprah Podcast, where she shared her insights on gray divorce and the changing landscape of relationships. Her expertise has also been featured in The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, The Washington Post, NewsNation, and NBC’s Chicago Today, among many others.

    As the creator and host of the award-winning Divorce & Beyond® Podcast, ranked in the top 1% of all podcasts worldwide with more than 3.4 million downloads, Susan brings together top experts and powerful personal stories to help listeners move through divorce and beyond with confidence, insight, and hope.

    Learn more about Susan and her work at susaneguthrie.com.

    Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!

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    A Smarter, Simpler Way to Navigate Your Divorce

    Looking for a clearer and more affordable way to move through your divorce? Check out Hello Divorce. Their guided online platform combines easy-to-follow tools with real legal and coaching support to help you complete your divorce with less stress, less confusion, and far lower costs than a traditional courtroom battle.

    They have created a special page just for Divorce & Beyond listeners. Explore your options at hellodivorce.com/susan.

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    Opportunities for Expert Guests and Fellow Podcasters

    Partner with Divorce & Beyond

    Whether you're a podcaster looking to expand your reach or an expert ready to share your insights, Divorce & Beyond offers the perfect platform to amplify your voice. Find out more here: https://divorceandbeyondpod.com/guest-opportunities

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    DISCLAIMER: THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE. YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM


    Co-Parenting Will Never Be Easy. BeAligned Makes It Easier: Breaking the Conflict Cycle with Trina Nudson on Divorce & Beyond #401 Dec 22, 2025
    Show notes

    As Divorce & Beyond closes out 2025, Susan Guthrie welcomes back Trina Nudson for a powerful bookend conversation exploring BeAligned, a revolutionary AI-powered reflection platform designed to help parents regulate emotions, interrupt the cycle of conflict, and problem-solve with their children’s wellbeing at the center.

    BeAligned is not another communication app, and it is not about getting co-parents to agree or behave perfectly. Instead, Trina explains how the platform meets parents where they are, supports emotional regulation in real time, and helps interrupt the conflict cycles that so often take over co-parenting relationships.

    Susan and Trina also explore how even one parent can shift the entire family dynamic, why co-parenting is about awareness rather than perfection, and how using technology intentionally can make co-parenting easier during emotionally charged moments.

    Why This Conversation Matters

    Co-parenting is hard even in intact families. Add divorce, grief, fear, and conflict, and it can feel overwhelming. Many parents know what they should do but struggle to access those tools in the moment when emotions take over.

    This conversation matters because BeAligned acknowledges the reality of human emotions and provides support in real time. It helps parents step out of fight, flight, freeze, or fawn, see the bigger picture, and create solutions that protect childhoods without relying on blame, shame, or court intervention.

    You Will Learn:
    • Why it only takes one parent to shift the co-parenting dynamic
    • Why co-parenting is not about perfection, but about awareness and regulation
    • How BeAligned helps parents move from reaction to alignment and interrupt the cycle of conflict
    • How technology can support calmer communication without replacing attorneys, therapists, or coaches
    • Why focusing on children’s needs changes everything
    Special Offer from Trina Nudson and BeAligned:

    Trina is generously offering Divorce & Beyond listeners 90 days of free access to BeAligned using code BEYOND. No credit card required. You’ll get full access to the platform’s reflection tools and support resources, and an invitation to share feedback that helps improve and expand its impact.
    Visit http://BeAligned.app to get started.

    About the Guest:

    Trina Nudson is a family law attorney, mediator, court-appointed guardian ad litem, child advocate, Certified Divorce Coach® (CDC®), Divorce Coaching Academy® graduate (DCA®), and Licensed Bachelor Social Worker with more than 25 years of experience in the trenches of high-conflict co-parenting and family systems.

    She is the founder of The Layne Project, owner of My Child Advocate, PA, and the creator of the evidence-based BeH2O® co-parenting system and BeAligned™, an AI-powered reflection platform that helps parents move from reaction to alignment.

    Across thousands of cases, Trina has worked alongside judges, attorneys, therapists, and schools to center children’s wellbeing while helping parents navigate some of the hardest seasons of their lives. Her mission is simple and non-negotiable: safeguarding childhoods by helping adults show up with clarity, steadiness, and purpose—especially when it’s hard.

    Websites:
    BeAligned: http://bealigned.app

    BeH20: http://BeH2OCoparenting.com

    Social Media:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/trina-nudson-19b169149/

    Divorce and Beyond Appearances:
    The Business of Co-Parenting: How Neuroscience and Mindset Coaching Are Transforming Conflict into Collaboration with Trina Nudson on Divorce & Beyond

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    Make the Most of Your Listening Experience:

    If this episode resonates with you, be sure to:

    • Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode.
    • Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing.
    • Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners.

    Follow Us Online:

    • Divorce & Beyond: https://divorceandbeyondpod.com,
    • IG: @divorceandbeyondpod
    Meet Our Host

    Susan E. Guthrie®, Esq. is one of the nation’s leading family law and mediation experts, with more than 35 years of experience helping individuals and families navigate divorce and conflict with clarity and compassion. She is the Immediate Past Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution, a best-selling author, and a sought-after speaker, trainer, and practice-building consultant.

    Susan recently appeared as the featured expert on The Oprah Podcast, where she shared her insights on gray divorce and the changing landscape of relationships. Her expertise has also been featured in The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, The Washington Post, NewsNation, and NBC’s Chicago Today, among many others.

    As the creator and host of the award-winning Divorce & Beyond® Podcast, ranked in the top 1% of all podcasts worldwide with more than 3.4 million downloads, Susan brings together top experts and powerful personal stories to help listeners move through divorce and beyond with confidence, insight, and hope.

    Learn more about Susan and her work at susaneguthrie.com.

    Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!

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    A Smarter, Simpler Way to Navigate Your Divorce

    Looking for a clearer and more affordable way to move through your divorce? Check out Hello Divorce. Their guided online platform combines easy-to-follow tools with real legal and coaching support to help you complete your divorce with less stress, less confusion, and far lower costs than a traditional courtroom battle.

    They have created a special page just for Divorce & Beyond listeners. Explore your options at hellodivorce.com/susan.

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    Special Offer from Blue Mercury

    Treat yourself to luxury skincare, makeup, and fragrance favorites from Blue Mercury, your destination for beauty and self-care. Divorce & Beyond listeners receive 15% off their first order when they use the special link in the show notes. Because you deserve to look and feel your best, inside and out.

    You must use this link to receive the 15% off on your first Blue Mercury order: https://divorcebeyond.com/Blue-Mercury

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    Opportunities for Expert Guests and Fellow Podcasters

    Partner with Divorce & Beyond

    Whether you're a podcaster looking to expand your reach or an expert ready to share your insights, Divorce & Beyond offers the perfect platform to amplify your voice. Find out more here: https://divorceandbeyondpod.com/guest-opportunities

    *****************************************************************************

    DISCLAIMER: THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE. YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM


    Emotional Overload: Why Divorce Hits So Hard and the Tools to Steady Yourself with Dr. Beth Karassik & Louise Zito, Esq on Divorce & Beyond #400 Dec 15, 2025
    Show notes

    Divorce can feel like you’re unravelling from the inside out, and today Dr. Beth Karassik and Louise Zito, Esq. join Susan E. Guthrie to explain why and how you can regain your emotional footing.

    If you’re overwhelmed, scared, or emotionally flooded in the middle of divorce, there is a scientific reason for it and there are ways to steady yourself, even when everything around you feels chaotic. In this powerful conversation, Susan Guthrie is joined by clinical psychologist and neuropsychologist Dr. Beth Karassik and longtime mediator and collaborative professional Louise Zito, Esq. to break down what’s happening in your brain and body during divorce and share practical tools for restoring calm, clarity, and control.

    Together, they help you understand why your reactions feel so big, why everyday decisions suddenly feel impossible, and what you can do right now to support your nervous system through one of the most destabilizing experiences of your life. Plus, for legal practitioners, discover how Beth and Louise’s work can help you re-align, re-center, and rein in the chaos of divorce work.

    Why This Conversation Matters

    When you’re navigating divorce without understanding what’s happening in your nervous system, it’s easy to blame yourself, question your decisions, or feel like you’re failing. But the truth is this: divorce places an extraordinary cognitive and emotional load on you.

    When you know why you’re reacting the way you are and you have tools that actually help you communicate more effectively, you make better choices, and you’re able to protect your well-being through every stage of the process.

    And for the professionals who support divorcing individuals, understanding these emotional dynamics (and tending to their own regulation) directly affects their ability to guide clients forward. A grounded professional creates a grounded process, leading to healthier outcomes for everyone involved.

    This conversation supports both sides of the experience: the people living through divorce and the practitioners walking beside them.

    You Will Learn:
    • Why divorce triggers fear, confusion, and emotional flooding
    • How stress impacts communication, decision-making, and co-parenting
    • Signs that your overwhelm is actually a trauma response
    • Practical grounding tools you can use today
    • Scripts for setting emotional boundaries during conflict
    • How to build a support system that keeps you steady
    • Why the emotional health of your divorce professional affects your experience
    • Insight into the Calma Collective Retreat supporting divorce professionals

    Download the Calming Exercise Guide from this Episode:

    Access the grounding tools discussed in this episode. These simple practices, including the three deep breaths and hands-on-heart reset, can help steady your mind and body during stressful moments. Keep it nearby for quick support whenever you need it.
    Download your guide here: https://divorcebeyond.com/staying-grounded

    About the Guests:

    Dr. Beth Karassik is a clinical psychologist who, after many years as a Collaborative Divorce Coach and a Mediator, has partnered with Louise Zito, Esq. in Calma Collective, LLC, a company that provides transformational retreats and professional training.

    Beth is a member of the International Academy of Collaborative Professionals, President of Divorce Solutions of Connecticut, and a member of the Collaborative Divorce Team of CT. She is a member of the Professional Development Committee and a Board and Executive Committee member of the Connecticut Council for Non-adversarial Divorce (CCND – www.gooddivorcect.com). She is committed to supporting children, adults, and families in having their lives align with their values, serve their best interests, and be expressions of what matters most to them.

    Learn more about Dr. Karassik: https://www.drbethkarassik.com

    For more information on Calma Collective Retreats, visit: calma-collective-retreats.com

    Louise Zito, Esq has mediated family and related matters for over 30 years and draws heavily on her Mediation experience in her Collaborative Divorce work. She is Of-Counsel to Dolan Family Law, in Connecticut, giving consultations on collaboration, family matters and impasse, as well as giving second opinions. She is partners with Beth Karassik, PhD in Calma Collective, LLC a Retreat and Training collaboration. She trains Attorneys, Family Specialists and Financial Specialists in Basic and Advanced Family Mediation and offers advanced trainings to Collaborative Law Professionals. Louise is a Senior Fellow to the Quinnipiac School of Law Center on Dispute Resolution, she is the co-developer and trainer of the APFM Verified 40 Hour Basic Divorce Mediation Training (CT Family Mediation Training Group) and an APFM Certified Advanced Practitioner. She developed an advanced training "In Whose Best Interest, or When To Call It Quits' (addressing screening methods to prevent termination and how and when to terminate Mediation and Collaborative Divorce proceedings.) She leads retreats for mediators and collaborative professionals and other family law practitioners.

    She co-founded the Divorce Solutions of CT and the Ct Family Mediation Training Group. She is a member of the Collaborative Divorce Team of CT, Connecticut Summit of Collaborative Professionals, Connecticut Collaborative Connection, Mediate.com, APFM and IACP. Louise is a member of the Board of Directors and Past President of the Connecticut Council for Non-adversarial Divorce (CCND).

    Learn more about Lousie: https://dolanfamilylaw.com/louise-r-zito/
    For more information on Calma Collective Retreats, visit: calma-collective-retreats.com

    =====================

    Make the Most of Your Listening Experience:

    If this episode resonates with you, be sure to:

    • Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode.
    • Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing.
    • Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners.

    Follow Us Online:

    • Divorce & Beyond: https://divorceandbeyondpod.com,
    • IG: @divorceandbeyondpod
    Meet Our Host

    Susan E. Guthrie®, Esq. is one of the nation’s leading family law and mediation experts, with more than 35 years of experience helping individuals and families navigate divorce and conflict with clarity and compassion. She is the Immediate Past Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution, a best-selling author, and a sought-after speaker, trainer, and practice-building consultant.

    Susan recently appeared as the featured expert on The Oprah Podcast, where she shared her insights on gray divorce and the changing landscape of relationships. Her expertise has also been featured in The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, The Washington Post, NewsNation, and NBC’s Chicago Today, among many others.

    As the creator and host of the award-winning Divorce & Beyond® Podcast, ranked in the top 1% of all podcasts worldwide with more than 3.4 million downloads, Susan brings together top experts and powerful personal stories to help listeners move through divorce and beyond with confidence, insight, and hope.

    Learn more about Susan and her work at susaneguthrie.com.

    Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!

    *****************************************************************************

    HELLO DIVORCE: A Smarter, Simpler Way to Navigate Your Divorce

    Looking for a clearer and more affordable way to move through your divorce? Check out Hello Divorce. Their guided online platform combines easy-to-follow tools with real legal and coaching support to help you complete your divorce with less stress, less confusion, and far lower costs than a traditional courtroom battle.

    They have created a special page just for Divorce & Beyond listeners. Explore your options at hellodivorce.com/susan.

    *****************************************************************************

    Special Offer from Blue Mercury

    Treat yourself to luxury skincare, makeup, and fragrance favorites from Blue Mercury, your destination for beauty and self-care. Divorce & Beyond listeners receive 15% off their first order when they use the special link in the show notes. Because you deserve to look and feel your best, inside and out.

    You must use this link to receive the 15% off on your first Blue Mercury order: https://divorcebeyond.com/Blue-Mercury

    *****************************************************************************

    Opportunities for Expert Guests and Fellow Podcasters

    Partner with Divorce & Beyond

    Whether you're a podcaster looking to expand your reach or an expert ready to share your insights, Divorce & Beyond offers the perfect platform to amplify your voice. Find out more here: https://divorceandbeyondpod.com/guest-opportunities

    *****************************************************************************

    DISCLAIMER: THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE. YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM


    Love Wars: A Child’s View of High-Conflict Divorce and Co-Parenting with Bill Eddy and Matthew A. Tower on Divorce & Beyond #399 Dec 08, 2025
    Show notes

    Susan Guthrie welcomes two extraordinary guests whose combined perspectives offer something rarely seen in the world of divorce. Bill Eddy, LCSW, Esq., returns to the show alongside author Matthew A. Tower, whose new book Love Wars: Clash of the Parents gives listeners an unprecedented inside look at what high-conflict divorce feels like through the eyes of a child. Together, their insights reveal the emotional reality children carry, the predictable patterns behind high-conflict behaviors, and the steps parents can take to protect their kids from the fallout.

    Love Wars follows Matthew’s journey from ages six to eleven as he navigated two volatile households, emotional unpredictability, parentification, negative advocates, and the relentless pressure to choose sides. His story is raw, illuminating, and at times difficult to hear, yet it is also deeply important. Bill helps contextualize Matthew’s lived experience through High Conflict Personality Theory and offers guidance parents and professionals can use immediately. This conversation is a powerful companion to Bill’s book Splitting and the perfect next step for anyone committed to changing the emotional climate for their children.

    Why This Conversation Matters

    High-conflict divorce leaves a lasting imprint on children, but the full internal experience is almost never visible to parents, courts, or professionals. Matthew’s story pulls back the curtain on what children absorb, what they fear, how they cope, and why the conflict shapes them long after the legal case is over.

    Bill explains how splitting, emotional volatility, and personality-driven dynamics create confusion, fear, and reactivity for children who do not yet have the capacity to regulate intense emotions. He also highlights why professionals often miss what is really happening, and how parents can change the trajectory by lowering conflict, creating predictability, and becoming the steady emotional anchor their children desperately need.

    Together, Bill and Matthew offer clarity, compassion, and a path forward for families caught in high-conflict cycles.

    In this episode, you will learn:
    • What children internalize during high-conflict divorce and why they absorb the emotional intensity around them
    • Why parentification is so damaging and how children become emotional caregivers when adults are dysregulated
    • How high-conflict parents recruit negative advocates and why these dynamics intensify the conflict
    • Why kids shut down, freeze, or dissociate when the emotional environment becomes overwhelming
    • How calm, consistent adults like Matthew’s stepmother Holly can become a lifeline
    • What courts and professionals often overlook when evaluating children’s preferences or resistance
    • What parents can do right now to lower reactivity, reduce conflict, and create safety for their children
    About the Guests:

    Bill Eddy, LCSW, Esq. - Bill Eddy is a lawyer, therapist, mediator, best-selling author, co-founder, and Chief Innovation Officer of the High Conflict Institute. He pioneered the High Conflict Personality Theory (HCP Theory) and has become an international expert on managing disputes involving high conflict personalities and personality disorders. He provides training to lawyers, judges, mediators, managers, human resource professionals, businesspersons, healthcare administrators, college administrators, homeowners’ association managers, ombudspersons, law enforcement, therapists and others. He has been a speaker and trainer in over 30 U.S. states and 10 countries.

    Visit the High Conflict Institute to find out more about Bill, the Institute's wealth of resources for managing high conflict relationships and more of Bill's books!

    https://www.highconflictinstitute.com/

    Listen to Bill's other episode, "Get Ready to BIFF Your High Conflict Co-Parent" on Divorce & Beyond here: https://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-q3hpd-f87a79

    Get your copy of Splitting: How to Protect Yourself When Divorcing a Narcissist or Borderline here: https://amzn.to/3C22aGH
    Matthew A. Tower - Matthew A. Tower is an author, art director, audiobook narrator, and entrepreneur. He first saw Star Wars in theaters at age three. Love Wars: Clash of the Parents, A True Divorce Story is his debut work of literature.

    Previously, he was founder and CEO of Versus Books, and published more than 50 gaming strategy guides for hits like The Legend of Zelda, selling over 5 million copies.

    Get your copy of Love Wars: Clash of the Parents here: https://amzn.to/4oCN15T

    Learn more at: https://lovewars.com

    =====================

    Make the Most of Your Listening Experience:

    If this episode resonates with you, be sure to:

    • Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode.
    • Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing.
    • Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners.

    Follow Us Online:

    • Divorce & Beyond: https://divorceandbeyondpod.com,
    • IG: @divorceandbeyondpod
    Meet Our Host

    Susan E. Guthrie®, Esq. is one of the nation’s leading family law and mediation experts, with more than 35 years of experience helping individuals and families navigate divorce and conflict with clarity and compassion. She is the Immediate Past Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution, a best-selling author, and a sought-after speaker, trainer, and practice-building consultant.

    Susan recently appeared as the featured expert on The Oprah Podcast, where she shared her insights on gray divorce and the changing landscape of relationships. Her expertise has also been featured in The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, The Washington Post, NewsNation, and NBC’s Chicago Today, among many others.

    As the creator and host of the award-winning Divorce & Beyond® Podcast, ranked in the top 1% of all podcasts worldwide with more than 3.4 million downloads, Susan brings together top experts and powerful personal stories to help listeners move through divorce and beyond with confidence, insight, and hope.

    Learn more about Susan and her work at susaneguthrie.com.

    Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!

    *****************************************************************************

    A Smarter, Simpler Way to Navigate Your Divorce

    Looking for a clearer and more affordable way to move through your divorce? Check out Hello Divorce. Their guided online platform combines easy-to-follow tools with real legal and coaching support to help you complete your divorce with less stress, less confusion, and far lower costs than a traditional courtroom battle.

    They have created a special page just for Divorce & Beyond listeners. Explore your options at hellodivorce.com/susan.

    *****************************************************************************

    Opportunities for Expert Guests and Fellow Podcasters

    Partner with Divorce & Beyond

    Whether you're a podcaster looking to expand your reach or an expert ready to share your insights, Divorce & Beyond offers the perfect platform to amplify your voice. Find out more here: https://divorceandbeyondpod.com/guest-opportunities

    *****************************************************************************

    DISCLAIMER: THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE. YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM


    No. 1 Episode: Divorcing a Narcissist or Borderline? How to Protect Yourself with Bill Eddy on Divorce & Beyond #398 Dec 01, 2025
    Show notes

    This week on Divorce & Beyond, we are bringing back the number one episode of all time, my conversation with the incomparable Bill Eddy about his groundbreaking book Splitting: Protecting Yourself While Divorcing Someone with Borderline or Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

    This encore episode is more timely than ever and is also the perfect lead-in to next week’s very special conversation with author Matthew A. Tower and Bill Eddy about Matthew’s new book Love Wars: Clash of the Parents. That episode takes you inside the emotional experience of a child living through a high-conflict divorce. Today’s replay sets the foundation for everything we will discuss next week.

    Why This Episode Matters

    There is a reason this conversation has remained the most downloaded episode in the history of Divorce and Beyond. Bill Eddy’s insights have helped countless listeners understand what is happening in their high conflict divorce, why the conflict feels impossible to manage, and how to protect themselves and their children from the fallout. If you are facing a high-conflict situation, or if your co-parent has patterns of narcissistic, borderline, or antisocial behavior, this episode will give you the clarity and direction you need.

    In this episode you will learn:

    • What borderline, narcissistic, and antisocial personality patterns look like during divorce, and why they escalate conflict


    • The biggest mistakes people make when trying to “diagnose” or explain their spouse’s behavior


    • How to communicate effectively using Bill’s BIFF method (Brief, Informative, Friendly, Firm)


    • Why judges often get high-conflict cases wrong, and what you can do to present your case clearly and effectively


    • How to document incidents safely and strategically


    • What to expect when divorcing a high-conflict person and how to pace yourself for the long haul


    • When mediation works, when it does not, and why preparation matters


    • How to stay calm and grounded when your spouse appears calm in court and you do not


    • The three biggest patterns you must highlight to the court so your case is understood


    • Why support systems, emotional boundaries, and strategic planning are essential for survival

    Bill’s wisdom is clear, practical, and actionable. Whether you are preparing for divorce, in the thick of litigation, or co-parenting with a high-conflict ex, this episode gives you tools that truly make a difference.

    About Bill Eddy

    Bill Eddy is a therapist, lawyer, mediator, and co-founder of the High Conflict Institute. He has authored more than 20 books, including Splitting, BIFF for Co-Parents, and Mediating High Conflict Disputes, and is recognized worldwide as the leading expert on high-conflict personalities and their impact on divorce and family court. He is also one of the most popular and trusted guests in the history of Divorce and Beyond.

    A Perfect Lead-in to Next Week

    Be sure to tune in next week when Bill joins me again along with author Matthew A. Tower for a powerful new episode unpacking Matthew’s true story of growing up in a high-conflict divorce in Love Wars: Clash of the Parents. It is an unforgettable look at how conflict affects children from the inside.

    Resources Mentioned

    • Splitting:Second Edition: Protecting Yourself While Divorcing Someone with Borderline or Narcissistic Personality Disorder by Bill Eddy and Randi Kreger: https://amzn.to/48eSPfu

    • High Conflict Institute: https://www.highconflictinstitute.com


    • BIFF for Co-Parent Communication by Bill Eddy: https://amzn.to/4iqZ18X


    • Mediating High Conflict Disputes by Bill Eddy: https://amzn.to/4rlQgkD

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    Susan recently appeared as the featured expert on The Oprah Podcast, where she shared her insights on gray divorce and the changing landscape of relationships. Her expertise has also been featured in The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, The Washington Post, NewsNation, and NBC’s Chicago Today, among many others.

    As the creator and host of the award-winning Divorce & Beyond® Podcast, ranked in the top 1% of all podcasts worldwide with more than 3.4 million downloads, Susan brings together top experts and powerful personal stories to help listeners move through divorce and beyond with confidence, insight, and hope.

    Learn more about Susan and her work at susaneguthrie.com.

    Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!

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    The Truth About Starting Over at 52: What Women Really Face After Gray Divorce with Kelly James on Divorce & Beyond #397 Nov 24, 2025
    Show notes

    Susan Guthrie welcomes journalist and author Kelly James for a powerful, candid conversation about the financial realities and career reinvention that often accompany gray divorce. Kelly brings humor, vulnerability, and a generous heart as she reflects on starting over at 52, returning to the corporate world after decades as a freelancer, and navigating the emotional load of single parenting.

    Together, Susan and Kelly explore the truth behind the fears, the unfair expectations, the unexpected challenges, and the surprising strengths that emerge when life takes a turn you never planned for.

    What You’ll Discover in This Episode
    • The financial reality of starting over in midlife is real and heavy, but not impossible
    • Reinvention in your fifties isn’t about dramatic leaps, in fact, Kelly explains how losing a financial safety net pushed her back into corporate life after 20 years as a freelancer
    • How the emotional load can be heavy, but but one courageous choice at a time can help you steer your own life

    EPISODE RESOURCES: Article: Gray Divorce Is Different: Financial Realities No One Tells You and the Episode FREE Downloadable Resource: The Midlife Divorce Financial Reset Checklist

    More About Our Special Guest: Kelly K. James "escaped from the law" more than 25 years ago to become a fulltime freelance journalist. The former attorney is the author of books including The Book That (Almost) Got Me Fired: How I (Barely) Survived a Year in Corporate America; Writer for Hire: 101 Secrets to Freelance Success, and Six-Figure Freelancing: The Writer's Guide to Making More Money, Second Edition. She's now a full-time legal content manager and part-time freelancer who works, writes, plays 8-ball, and attempts to golf from her home outside Chicago, which she shares with two teens, a rescue pup, and an extra-chunky spoiled cat.

    Kelly's Website and Book:

    The Book That (Almost) Got Me Fired: https://amzn.to/48kPmNA

    kellykjames.net

    Social Media:
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellykjames

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    Susan recently appeared as the featured expert on The Oprah Podcast, where she shared her insights on gray divorce and the changing landscape of relationships. Her expertise has also been featured in The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, The Washington Post, NewsNation, and NBC’s Chicago Today, among many others.

    As the creator and host of the award-winning Divorce & Beyond® Podcast, ranked in the top 1% of all podcasts worldwide with more than 3.4 million downloads, Susan brings together top experts and powerful personal stories to help listeners move through divorce and beyond with confidence, insight, and hope.

    Learn more about Susan and her work at susaneguthrie.com.

    Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!

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    A Smarter, Simpler Way to Navigate Your Divorce

    Looking for a clearer and more affordable way to move through your divorce? Check out Hello Divorce. Their guided online platform combines easy-to-follow tools with real legal and coaching support to help you complete your divorce with less stress, less confusion, and far lower costs than a traditional courtroom battle.

    They have created a special page just for Divorce & Beyond listeners. Explore your options at hellodivorce.com/susan.

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    Is Your Lawyer Helping Or Hurting Your Divorce? How To Hire, Fire, And Trust Your Attorney with Susan Guthrie on Divorce & Beyond #396 Nov 17, 2025
    Show notes

    Are you secretly wondering if you hired the wrong divorce lawyer, but feel too far in, too scared, or too overwhelmed to do anything about it?

    You are not the only one. Listeners write in every week saying things like, “I hired someone in a panic and now I feel stuck,” or “I feel dismissed, but I am afraid to change attorneys midstream.”

    In this solo episode, Susan uses more than thirty five years of experience as a leading divorce attorney and mediator to give you a clear framework for how to choose, evaluate, and, if necessary, replace your lawyer so you can move through your divorce with more confidence and less chaos.

    You will learn:

    • Why so many people “panic hire” the wrong attorney in the early days of divorce

    • How a good divorce coach can help you get grounded before you hire anyone

    • The key questions to ask in an attorney consultation so you can spot a real fit

    • Red flags that your current lawyer may not be serving your goals or values

    • When the problem is the system, not your attorney

    • How to have a reset conversation and, if needed, make a clean, professional change

    Susan has also created a free downloadable checklist with the questions and red flags she covers in the episode. DOWNLOAD HERE

    If you are confused about your attorney client relationship or worried you made the wrong choice, this episode will help you understand your options and take back your power in your own case.

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    Meet Our Host

    Susan E. Guthrie®, Esq. is one of the nation’s leading family law and mediation experts, with more than 35 years of experience helping individuals and families navigate divorce and conflict with clarity and compassion. She is the Immediate Past Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution, a best-selling author, and a sought-after speaker, trainer, and practice-building consultant.

    Susan recently appeared as the featured expert on The Oprah Podcast, where she shared her insights on gray divorce and the changing landscape of relationships. Her expertise has also been featured in The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, The Washington Post, NewsNation, and NBC’s Chicago Today, among many others.

    As the creator and host of the award-winning Divorce & Beyond® Podcast, ranked in the top 1% of all podcasts worldwide with more than 3.4 million downloads, Susan brings together top experts and powerful personal stories to help listeners move through divorce and beyond with confidence, insight, and hope.

    Learn more about Susan and her work at susaneguthrie.com.

    Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!

    *****************************************************************************

    A Smarter, Simpler Way to Navigate Your Divorce

    Looking for a clearer and more affordable way to move through your divorce? Check out Hello Divorce. Their guided online platform combines easy-to-follow tools with real legal and coaching support to help you complete your divorce with less stress, less confusion, and far lower costs than a traditional courtroom battle.

    They have created a special page just for Divorce & Beyond listeners. Explore your options at hellodivorce.com/susan.

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    All’s Fair… or Is It? Real-Life Top Divorce Attorneys Break Down Hulu’s All-Female Divorce Firm Drama on Divorce & Beyond #395 Nov 10, 2025
    Show notes

    We’re talking all about Hulu’s new hit All’s Fair and its glossy world of powerhouse, all-female divorce attorneys. The show is everywhere right now, but how much of it reflects what really happens in high-stakes family law?

    Susan Guthrie is joined by two of the most trusted experts in the field, Beth F. McCormack and Kimberly A. Cook, Esq., to break down what the series gets right, where it leans into pure Hollywood, and what it leaves out entirely about the real work of guiding families through divorce.

    If you’ve been wondering whether All’s Fair captures the truth or just the drama, this episode gives you the inside view.

    What You’ll Discover in This Episode

    • Where All’s Fair nails the reality of female attorneys breaking away to build something better
    • What the show gets wrong about divorce law and why those myths can mislead real clients
    • How strategy and preparation matter far more than the aggressive “never settle” persona
    • “Adding a zero” isn’t how settlements actually work
    • Why representation in legal dramas matters and how this show misses key opportunities to get it right

    More About Our Special Guests:

    Kimberly A. Cook, Esq.

    Kimberly A. Cook is a Partner with Schiller DuCanto & Fleck, LLP, one of the nation’s premier divorce and family law firms. Known for her ability to both fiercely advocate and thoughtfully problem-solve, Kimberly represents C-suite executives, professional athletes, entertainers, and other high-profile clients in complex family law matters.

    Before joining Schiller, Kimberly founded Dovetail Conflict Resolution, LLC, where she focused exclusively on divorce and family mediation, helping families identify creative solutions and reach lasting agreements. She also hosts the Grown Girl Divorce podcast, where she empowers listeners to navigate family transitions with clarity and confidence.

    Kimberly shares her knowledge as an adjunct law professor, mentor, and frequent speaker, and has been featured in Crain’s Chicago, Black Enterprise, Thrive Global, and Business Insider. She has been consistently recognized among the Best Lawyers in America and Super Lawyers for her excellence and leadership in the field.

    Contact Kimberly: growngirldivorce.com or https://sdflaw.com

    Beth F. McCormack

    Beth F. McCormack is a highly respected family law attorney known for her skill in handling the most complex and sensitive divorce and parenting matters. Based in Chicago, Beth is equally at home in the courtroom, in mediation, and in collaborative law, always centering her practice on compassion and empathy.

    She has been consistently recognized as a Best Lawyer, Super Lawyer, and Leading Lawyer, including being named one of the Top 50 Women Super Lawyers. In addition to her thriving practice, Beth mentors the next generation of family law professionals and writes a monthly column for the Chicago Daily Law Bulletin. She is especially known for her advocacy on behalf of children and her ability to navigate high-profile, high-net-worth divorces with discretion and care.

    Contact Beth: beermannlaw.com

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    Meet Our Host

    Susan E. Guthrie®, Esq. is one of the nation’s leading family law and mediation experts, with more than 35 years of experience helping individuals and families navigate divorce and conflict with clarity and compassion. She is the Immediate Past Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution, a best-selling author, and a sought-after speaker, trainer, and practice-building consultant.

    Susan recently appeared as the featured expert on The Oprah Podcast, where she shared her insights on gray divorce and the changing landscape of relationships. Her expertise has also been featured in The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, The Washington Post, NewsNation, and NBC’s Chicago Today, among many others.

    As the creator and host of the award-winning Divorce & Beyond® Podcast, ranked in the top 1% of all podcasts worldwide with more than 3.4 million downloads, Susan brings together top experts and powerful personal stories to help listeners move through divorce and beyond with confidence, insight, and hope.

    Learn more about Susan and her work at susaneguthrie.com.

    Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!

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    During difficult times, like divorce, wearing a symbol of hope or protection—such as a hamsa or an evil eye—can be a comforting reminder to keep the faith and stay strong.

    As a special gift to my listeners, YUMIYU Jewelry is offering 20% off your purchase! Use the code "BEYOND" at checkout to claim your discount.

    Explore their stunning collection at yumiyujewelry.com and find your perfect piece today!

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    How to Raise Resilient Kids In Divorce When You Can’t Control What Happens in the Other House with Laila Aitken Ali on Divorce & Beyond #394 Nov 03, 2025
    Show notes

    Co-parenting with someone who parents in a totally different way can feel overwhelming, especially when you’re trying to protect your kids and you don’t have control over what happens in the other home.

    Susan Guthrie welcomes back Laila Aitken Ali, co-founder of Split FYI and creator of the Raising Resilient Kids Through Divorce Masterclass, to talk about what you can control and how to stay steady when things get tough.

    Laila explains why the goal isn’t trying to make your kids “happy” all the time but helping them build real resilience. And even if you are the only calm, grounded parent in the mix, that is more powerful than you think. As Laila puts it, your peace is your child’s safety plan.

    You’ll hear simple scripts, mindset shifts, and nervous-system-friendly ways to stay anchored so you can support your kids without getting pulled into chaos, stress, or power struggles.

    What You’ll Discover in This Episode
    • You can’t control the other parent, but you can control the emotional world your kids experience in your home
    • How practicing DEEP allows you to take a pause and avoid being pulled into chaos
    • The best way to protect your kids is to protect your own nervous system
    • Shadow work matters. Notice stories you tell yourself, question old beliefs, and lead from your empowered self

    More About Our Special Guest Laila Aitken Ali: Laila Aitken Ali, The Split Coach, is a Certified Divorce Coach®, Accredited Mediator, and Co-Founder of Split.fyi, a platform supporting people through divorce, co-parenting, and life transitions. After navigating her own divorce while pregnant, Laila committed to helping others move through separation with clarity, strategy, and confidence. She specializes in guiding parents to break old patterns and build healthier dynamics post-divorce. Laila also teaches co-parenting strategy at the Certified Divorce Coach (CDC) program, equipping new coaches with practical tools.

    Website and Links:

    SplitFYI.com

    Raising Resilient Kids Through Divorce Masterclass and other events:
    https://splitfyi.com/events/ - D&B Listeners, use code SPLIT10 for a special listener discount

    TheSplitCoach.com
    Why You Need to Stop Calling Your Ex a Narcissist with Laila Aitken, Founder of Split.fyi on Divorce & Beyond
    Social Media:
    http://instagram.com/thesplitcoach

    http://instagram.com/splitfyi

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/lailaaitken/

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    Susan recently appeared as the featured expert on The Oprah Podcast, where she shared her insights on gray divorce and the changing landscape of relationships. Her expertise has also been featured in The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, The Washington Post, NewsNation, and NBC’s Chicago Today, among many others.

    As the creator and host of the award-winning Divorce & Beyond® Podcast, ranked in the top 1% of all podcasts worldwide with more than 3.4 million downloads, Susan brings together top experts and powerful personal stories to help listeners move through divorce and beyond with confidence, insight, and hope.

    Learn more about Susan and her work at susaneguthrie.com.

    Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!

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    Narcissistic Playbook Exposed: How Manipulation and Lies Drive Family Estrangement with Tracy Malone on Divorce & Beyond #393 Oct 20, 2025
    Show notes

    Susan Guthrie welcomes back Tracy Malone, a leading expert on narcissistic abuse and family estrangement, for a raw and eye-opening conversation about one of the most painful aftermaths of toxic relationships: being cut off from your own child (aka estrangement).

    When estrangement happens, it can feel like your world has been shattered overnight. Tracy, founder of NarcissistAbuseSupport.com and author of Estranged By Lies: How Narcissistic Partners Use Power & Control To Destroy Your Family, helps unpack how manipulation, gaslighting, and control tactics can fracture families and rewrite history in devastating ways.

    Together, Susan and Tracy explore how these dynamics play out and, most importantly, what parents can take to begin healing.

    Tracy’s compassionate wisdom, drawn from both personal experience and years of coaching, offers validation, hope, and strategies to help listeners find peace and strength through the storm.

    What You’ll Discover in This Episode
    • How estrangement differs from alienation and why it’s on the rise
    • The narcissistic playbook and how lies and control can turn loved ones against you
    • The importance of emotional regulation when you can’t control others’ choices
    • How awareness shifts everything and helps you rebuild your boundaries
    • Why it’s essential to release self-blame and focus on your own healing

    More About Our Special Guest, Tracy Malone: Tracy A. Malone is a coach, author, and the founder of NarcissistAbuseSupport.com, a global resource helping victims in more than 145 countries reclaim their lives after emotional abuse. She’s also a surTHRIVER herself, and her wisdom comes not just from research and coaching, but from lived experience.

    Her latest book, Estranged By Lies: How Narcissistic Partners Use Power & Control To Destroy Your Family, exposes the gaslighting, smearing, and rewriting of history that can steal your adult child and devastate entire families.

    Website and Book:

    Estranged By Lies: How Narcissistic Partners Use Power & Control To Destroy Your Family
    https://a.co/d/fSmx1Hm

    https://narcissistabusesupport.com/
    Social Media:
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFtt3fhMMCBKGRMGyN2D2GQ
    https://www.instagram.com/tracyamalone/
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/188681268196044/

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    MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST:

    SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 30 years. Susan is the Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com

    Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!

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