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    The Disney Dish with Jim Hill

    The Disney Dish Podcast with Jim Hill and Len Testa
    Dive into the fascinating world of Disney with theme park historian Jim Hill and Len Testa as they uncover the stories behind the magic. From breaking news and in-depth analyses to quirky historical tidbits and behind-the-scenes secrets, The Disney Dish offers a unique blend of humor, expertise, and insider knowledge.
    Whether you’re a die-hard Disney fan, a theme park aficionado, or just curious about the history and future of Disney parks and resorts, this podcast has something for everyone.
    What to Expect:

    Breaking Disney News: Stay up to date on the latest happenings at Walt Disney World, Disneyland, and Disney’s global parks.

    Historical Deep Dives: Learn how classic attractions were created, the stories behind Disney’s biggest decisions, and the Imagineering ingenuity that brought it all to life.

    Listener Q&A: Get answers to your burning questions about the parks, attractions, and Disney culture.

    Exclusive Insights: Gain access to insider details and stories you won’t find anywhere else.

    Fun & Humor: Enjoy the wit and camaraderie of two Disney enthusiasts who know how to make even the most technical details entertaining.

    With decades of combined experience and an unmatched passion for all things Disney, Jim and Len guide you through the parks, the stories, and the magic in a way only they can.
    Your journey to the happiest podcast on earth starts here. Subscribe today!

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    The Guy That Invented FastPass (Ep. 100) Apr 01, 2016
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    SeaWorld Ends Orca Breeding, Disney Resort Fees and MagicBand Personalization (Ep. 99) Mar 07, 2016
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    Jim Hill and Len Testa discuss SeaWorld’s landmark decision to end its captive-orca breeding program and the long chain of events that pushed the company toward that change. They trace the impact of Blackfish, SeaWorld’s public-relations mistakes, declining attendance, pressure from animal-rights organizations, and the California Coastal Commission’s restrictions on the proposed Blue World expansion. The episode also examines Disney’s experiments with personalized “goodbye” messages at “it’s a small world,” a controversial proposed resort fee, Universal’s interest in MagicBand-style technology, and Len’s costly night inside a Polynesian Village Resort bungalow. Jim closes by considering whether animal-welfare campaigns could next place greater scrutiny on Disney’s Animal Kingdom.

    Original Air Date: March 2016
    Original Title: Unknown

    HIGHLIGHTS

    • Disney’s first personalized farewell messages appearing at the end of “it’s a small world” through MagicBand technology.

    • How the personalized screens differed from the more ambitious interactive attraction scenes originally proposed for MyMagic+.

    • The abandoned plan to display a custom “it’s a small world” doll designed by each guest before their vacation.

    • Disney’s early ideas for selling personalized attraction merchandise such as shirts and coffee mugs.

    • Why the sudden activation of personalized displays appeared alongside several unpopular pricing announcements.

    • Disney’s introduction of seasonal surge pricing and tests of paid preferred parking.

    • The guest survey proposing an additional $15-per-night Walt Disney World resort fee.

    • Why the proposed fee listed benefits guests already received, including Wi-Fi, parking, MagicBands, My Disney Experience, and Magical Express.

    • The criticism that Disney was separating existing amenities from already-premium hotel prices and presenting them as new benefits.

    • How Disneyland’s difficult first summer in 1955 taught Walt Disney that guests disliked repeatedly reaching for their wallets.

    • The creation of Disneyland ticket books as a response to complaints about the park’s original pay-per-ride model.

    • The growing perception that Disney vacations were increasingly designed for affluent and high-income households.

    • The tension between maximizing short-term shareholder returns and protecting the long-term guest experience.

    • Universal Orlando’s survey testing concepts similar to MagicBands, attraction reservations, and personalized park technology.

    • Why Universal could adopt the most popular parts of Disney’s system without repeating Disney’s enormous infrastructure investment.

    • How smartphones and near-field communication could eventually replace dedicated wearable devices at theme parks.

    • Len and Laurel’s last-minute use of expiring Disney Vacation Club points for a night in a Polynesian bungalow.

    • Why a canceled family trip forced them to spend approximately 160 points on a single bungalow night or lose the points.

    • The delayed room assignment that reduced their already-limited stay by more than an hour.

    • How the value of the lost check-in time exceeded the point cost of their entire following night at Saratoga Springs Resort.

    • The early housekeeping knock that arrived well before the official bungalow checkout time.

    • The Polynesian bungalow’s high-end finishes, multiple televisions, changing doorbell chimes, private deck, and waterfront location.

    • Ordering the complete ‘Ohana feast for in-room dining and remaining inside the bungalow for the full stay.

    • The constant questions from ferryboat passengers asking how much the overwater room cost.

    • How the bungalows improved the experience for a small number of luxury guests while blocking lagoon views for other Polynesian visitors.

    • The broader concern that Disney was prioritizing premium accommodations over the experience of traditional resort guests.

    • SeaWorld’s announcement that it would end its captive-orca breeding program.

    • Why the change meant that the existing generation of SeaWorld killer whales would be the company’s last.

    • The 2010 death of SeaWorld trainer Dawn Brancheau and its role in inspiring the documentary Blackfish.

    • SeaWorld’s initial strategy of refusing to engage publicly with the documentary or its allegations.

    • Why Blackfish’s limited theatrical earnings did not reflect the enormous influence it later gained through television.

    • CNN’s acquisition and broadcast of Blackfish, which exposed the film to a much larger national audience.

    • How social media campaigns pressured musicians to cancel appearances at SeaWorld’s Bands, Brew & BBQ events.

    • The withdrawals of performers including Barenaked Ladies, Willie Nelson, Martina McBride, Heart, Cheap Trick, and REO Speedwagon.

    • SeaWorld’s declining attendance and financial performance despite opening the expensive Antarctica: Empire of the Penguin attraction.

    • The company’s early explanations involving ticket prices and poor weather rather than acknowledging the Blackfish controversy.

    • SeaWorld’s funding of third-party online messaging designed to defend its conservation and animal-care record.

    • The Blue World Project and its proposal for significantly larger killer-whale habitats.

    • Why critics viewed the planned habitats as larger cages rather than a solution to keeping orcas in captivity.

    • The resignation of SeaWorld CEO James Atchison as attendance, revenue, and stock value continued to decline.

    • SeaWorld’s Ask SeaWorld campaign and its effort to emphasize animal rescue, rehabilitation, and education.

    • Jim’s backstage visit to SeaWorld’s rehabilitation facilities and his memories of penguins, dolphins, and rescued manatees.

    • The unexpected experience of scratching the tongue of a pregnant dolphin as a form of enrichment and interaction.

    • SeaWorld’s decades-long involvement in Florida manatee rescue, population monitoring, and rehabilitation.

    • Why SeaWorld’s genuine conservation work struggled to overcome the public narrative surrounding captive killer whales.

    • The California Coastal Commission’s decision to postpone approval of SeaWorld San Diego’s Blue World expansion.

    • The condition that SeaWorld could construct the new habitat only if it ended captive-orca breeding in California.

    • SeaWorld’s argument that the commission could regulate construction but not the company’s animal-breeding programs.

    • The revelation that a SeaWorld employee had infiltrated animal-rights meetings while using a false identity.

    • How the spying controversy further damaged SeaWorld’s credibility during an already severe public-relations crisis.

    • SeaWorld’s initial plan to phase out theatrical orca shows and replace them with conservation-focused presentations.

    • Why the company ultimately accepted that ending its breeding program offered the clearest path out of the controversy.

    • SeaWorld’s new partnership with the Humane Society and the organization’s access to review the company’s animal practices.

    • The Humane Society’s argument that meaningful improvement should not be rejected simply because it fell short of perfection.

    • Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey’s decision to retire elephants from its traveling circus earlier than originally planned.

    • Why SeaWorld and Ringling’s policy changes could shift animal-rights attention toward Disney’s Animal Kingdom.

    • Disney’s concern that elephants and other large animals could become the focus of future campaigns.

    • How Disney had already softened or removed parts of Kilimanjaro Safaris’ original elephant-poaching storyline.

    • The potential scrutiny created by Disney’s expansion of nighttime safaris and increased promotion of Animal Kingdom.

    • Plans for Rivers of Light, Tiffins, Pandora - The World of Avatar, and the park’s transition into an evening destination.

    • Why Pandora’s bioluminescent nighttime effects required extensive installation and testing after major construction was complete.

    HOSTS

    • Jim Hill - X/Twitter and Instagram: @JimHillMedia - jimhillmedia.com

    • Len Testa - Bluesky: @lentesta.bsky.social - Instagram: @len.testa - touringplans.com

    FOLLOW

    • Facebook: @JimHillMediaNews

    • YouTube: @jimhillmedia

    • TikTok: @jimhillmedia

    SUPPORT

    Support the show and access bonus episodes and additional content at https://www.patreon.com/jimhillmedia.


    SPONSOR

    This archived episode was sponsored by TouringPlans.com, featuring crowd calendars, attraction touring plans, ticket-saving advice, and Walt Disney World restaurant information.

    If you would like to sponsor a show on the Jim Hill Media Podcast Network, reach out today. https://www.jimhillmedia.com/sponsor/

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    The Rest of Splash Mountain’s History (Ep. 98) Mar 01, 2016
    Show notes

    Jim Hill and Len Testa continue their look at Splash Mountain’s origins, tracing how Tony Baxter combined a long-requested log flume with Disneyland’s next big animatronic adventure. Jim explains how Pirates of the Caribbean, unused attraction concepts, and the figures from America Sings helped shape the project. They also discuss the budget and maintenance decisions behind the ride, along with a listener question about MagicBand personalization.

    Original Air Date: March 1, 2016 (estimated)
    Original Title: Episode 98 - The rest of the history of Splash Mountain

    HIGHLIGHTS

    • What happened to the personalized ride experiences proposed for MyMagic+ and MagicBands.
    • Why guests kept asking Imagineering to build another Pirates of the Caribbean.
    • Western River Expedition and Marc Davis’s unbuilt Enchanted Snow Palace.
    • Tony Baxter’s search for a new project after Journey Into Imagination.
    • How America Sings animatronics offered a way to reduce Splash Mountain’s costs.
    • The Fox and the Hound concept considered for Bear Country.
    • Concrete scenery, water damage, and the decision to use an outside flume manufacturer.

    For this episode’s full show notes, click here.
    View transcript here.

    HOSTS

    • Jim Hill: X and Instagram @JimHillMedia | jimhillmedia.com
    • Len Testa: Bluesky @lentesta.bsky.social | Instagram @len.testa | touringplans.com

    FOLLOW

    • Facebook: @JimHillMediaNews
    • X and Instagram: @JimHillMedia
    • YouTube and TikTok: @jimhillmedia

    SUPPORT

    Support the show and access bonus episodes and additional content at https://www.patreon.com/jimhillmedia.

    PRODUCTION CREDITS

    Produced by Aaron Adams

    If you would like to sponsor a show on the Jim Hill Media Podcast Network, reach out today. https://www.jimhillmedia.com/sponsor/

    Jim Hill and Len Testa trace the ideas, budget pressures, and recycled animatronics that helped Tony Baxter develop Splash Mountain.

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    Inside Hollywood’s Wizarding World: Jim’s Harry Potter Preview (Ep. 97) Feb 15, 2016
    Show notes

    Jim Hill joins Len Testa to report on his early walkthrough of The Wizarding World of Harry Potter at Universal Studios Hollywood. They compare the new land with Orlando’s original Hogsmeade and explore how Universal applied lessons from earlier attractions to its California park. Recorded as soft openings began in February 2016, the conversation covers the setting, guest flow, Forbidden Journey, food, merchandise, and Universal’s expansion strategy.

    Original Air Date: February 15, 2016 (estimated)
    Original Title: 2016 iTunes Show

    HIGHLIGHTS

    • How Hollywood expanded on the Despicable Me and Springfield environments developed for Florida.
    • The original Hogsmeade’s reuse of Lost Continent attractions and the Three Broomsticks kitchen.
    • The Merlinwood backstory behind the “Mind the Spell Limits” sign.
    • Universal’s investment strategy and its competition for vacation time in Orlando.
    • Hollywood’s wider streets, larger shops, and Hogwarts Castle setting against the hills.
    • Changes to Ollivanders, Flight of the Hippogriff, and the Forbidden Journey queue.
    • Digital projection and the planned 3D experience inside Forbidden Journey.
    • Butterbeer treats, merchandise, and the limits of visiting during soft openings.

    For this episode’s full show notes, click here.
    View transcript here.

    HOSTS

    • Jim Hill: X and Instagram @JimHillMedia | jimhillmedia.com
    • Len Testa: Bluesky @lentesta.bsky.social | Instagram @len.testa | touringplans.com

    FOLLOW

    • Facebook: @JimHillMediaNews
    • X and Instagram: @JimHillMedia
    • YouTube and TikTok: @jimhillmedia

    SUPPORT

    Support the show and access bonus episodes and additional content at https://www.patreon.com/jimhillmedia.

    If you would like to sponsor a show on the Jim Hill Media Podcast Network, reach out today. https://www.jimhillmedia.com/sponsor/

    Jim shares an early look inside Hollywood’s Wizarding World, comparing its streets, shops, and Forbidden Journey queue with Orlando’s original.

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    Before Splash Mountain: Monstro, Paul Bunyan, and Disney’s Unbuilt Flumes (Ep. 96) Feb 01, 2016
    Show notes

    Jim Hill and Len Testa begin their Splash Mountain history with the water rides Disney considered long before the attraction took shape. Jim traces Walt’s early Monstro concept, other unbuilt Fantasyland rides, and the log-flume technology that revived interest in a Disney water thrill ride. The conversation culminates in a Paul Bunyan proposal and the decisions that eventually steered the project toward Song of the South.

    Original Air Date: February 1, 2016 (estimated)
    Original Title: Splash Mountain

    HIGHLIGHTS

    • Walt’s interest in shoot-the-chutes rides and an early Monstro attraction for Fantasyland.
    • Donald Duck bumper boats, an Old Mill Ferris wheel, and other concepts that never reached Disneyland.
    • How Monstro found a different role in Storybook Land Canal Boats.
    • The proposed Bible Storyland park and its connection to former Disney designers.
    • Water-ride ideas considered for Disney California Adventure’s Paradise Pier.
    • Arrow Development’s log-flume technology and the example set by Knott’s Timber Mountain Log Ride.
    • Dick Nunis’s push for a flume and the proposed Paul Bunyan sawmill adventure.
    • Why the project’s story evolved toward Song of the South and the future Splash Mountain.

    For this episode’s full show notes, click here.
    View transcript here.

    HOSTS

    • Jim Hill: X and Instagram @JimHillMedia | jimhillmedia.com
    • Len Testa: Bluesky @lentesta.bsky.social | Instagram @len.testa | touringplans.com

    FOLLOW

    • Facebook: @JimHillMediaNews
    • X and Instagram: @JimHillMedia
    • YouTube and TikTok: @jimhillmedia

    SUPPORT

    Support the show and access bonus episodes and additional content at https://www.patreon.com/jimhillmedia.

    PRODUCTION CREDITS

    Produced by Aaron Adams

    If you would like to sponsor a show on the Jim Hill Media Podcast Network, reach out today. https://www.jimhillmedia.com/sponsor/

    Jim and Len trace the unbuilt water rides and log-flume concepts that preceded Splash Mountain, from Monstro the whale to Paul Bunyan.

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    Big Thunder Ranch, Circus Fantasy, and Disneyland’s Unbuilt Indy Show (Ep. 95) Jan 15, 2016
    Show notes

    Jim Hill and Len Testa continue their Disneyland history series by revisiting Big Thunder Ranch just after its January 2016 closure. Jim explains how the ranch began as a temporary attraction and describes the ambitious Indiana Jones show once planned for that corner of the park. They also explore Circus Fantasy and other off-season events, then discuss the drone-show proposals Disney was pursuing in early 2016.

    Original Air Date: January 15, 2016 (estimated)
    Original Title: History of Disneyland

    HIGHLIGHTS

    • Big Thunder Ranch’s animals, barbecue restaurant, and origins as a temporary addition.
    • The planned Young Indiana Jones spectacular and its use of the Disneyland Railroad.
    • Operating costs, train schedules, and competing attractions that complicated the stunt-show proposal.
    • The connection Jim draws between the abandoned show and The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles.
    • Circus Fantasy’s tightrope walkers, human cannonball, and motorcycle acts.
    • How off-season events supported Disneyland’s move to a seven-day operating schedule.
    • Tomorrowland’s late-1980s crowds and the pressure to develop Splash Mountain.
    • Disney’s 2016 drone applications and the hosts’ discussion of possible nighttime shows.

    For this episode’s full show notes, click here.
    View transcript here.

    HOSTS

    • Jim Hill: X and Instagram @JimHillMedia | jimhillmedia.com
    • Len Testa: Bluesky @lentesta.bsky.social | Instagram @len.testa | touringplans.com

    FOLLOW

    • Facebook: @JimHillMediaNews
    • X and Instagram: @JimHillMedia
    • YouTube and TikTok: @jimhillmedia

    SUPPORT

    Support the show and access bonus episodes and additional content at https://www.patreon.com/jimhillmedia.

    PRODUCTION CREDITS

    Produced by Aaron Adams

    If you would like to sponsor a show on the Jim Hill Media Podcast Network, reach out today. https://www.jimhillmedia.com/sponsor/

    Jim and Len revisit Big Thunder Ranch, an unbuilt Indiana Jones stunt show, and the circus events that brought new crowds to Disneyland.

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    Walt Disney World as a City: Security, Transportation, and Future Plans (Ep. 94) Jan 01, 2016
    Show notes

    Jim Hill and Len Testa open 2016 by looking at Walt Disney World as a city, with the daily challenges of moving, accommodating, and protecting a large population. They discuss the Christmas Day confusion at Disney Springs, the influence of social media, and historical incidents that complicate the resort’s sheltered image. The conversation then turns to monorail reliability, improved bus service, and the transportation and waterfront-development ideas being discussed at the time.

    Original Air Date: January 1, 2016 (estimated)
    Original Title: Episode 94

    HIGHLIGHTS

    • How the combined population of guests and cast members compares with an American city.
    • The Disney Springs Christmas Day incident and the rapid spread of conflicting reports.
    • Security screening and the challenge of balancing reassurance with reminders of the outside world.
    • Historical emergencies and the responsibilities involved in operating a large resort.
    • Monorail disruptions and the Unofficial Guide’s measurements of improving bus service.
    • Road access, third-party bus parking, and possible changes to the Transportation and Ticket Center.
    • Early-2016 speculation about River Country redevelopment and future Seven Seas Lagoon resorts.
    • Proposed drone and water-show concepts for Walt Disney World’s 50th anniversary.

    For this episode’s full show notes, click here.
    View transcript here.

    HOSTS

    • Jim Hill: X and Instagram @JimHillMedia | jimhillmedia.com
    • Len Testa: Bluesky @lentesta.bsky.social | Instagram @len.testa | touringplans.com

    FOLLOW

    • Facebook: @JimHillMediaNews
    • X and Instagram: @JimHillMedia
    • YouTube and TikTok: @jimhillmedia

    SUPPORT

    Support the show and access bonus episodes and additional content at https://www.patreon.com/jimhillmedia.

    PRODUCTION CREDITS

    Produced by Aaron Adams

    If you would like to sponsor a show on the Jim Hill Media Podcast Network, reach out today. https://www.jimhillmedia.com/sponsor/

    Jim and Len examine Walt Disney World’s city-sized operations, transportation improvements, and the resort-development ideas being discussed in early 2016.

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    How George Lucas Helped Bring Star Tours to Disneyland (Ep. 93) Dec 15, 2015
    Show notes

    Jim Hill and Len Testa continue their chronological Disneyland series with the park’s 30th anniversary and the early development of Star Tours. Jim explains how Ron Miller’s outreach to George Lucas started a collaboration that survived Disney’s management change, and why an ambitious roller-coaster concept gave way to a motion simulator. Recorded shortly before The Force Awakens opened, the conversation also explores movie-inspired attractions, Disneyland’s anniversary giveaways, and Lucas’s changing relationship with Disney.

    Original Air Date: December 15, 2015 (estimated)
    Original Title: Episode 93

    HIGHLIGHTS

    • Disneyland’s Gift-Giver Extraordinaire and the prizes offered during its 1985 anniversary celebration.
    • How annual passholders tried to time their entrances to win the larger prizes.
    • The change from pellet guns to electronic targets in the shooting galleries.
    • Adventures Thru Inner Space’s closure and the search for a new Tomorrowland attraction.
    • Disneyland’s connection to John Hughes’s Vacation story and its transformation into Wally World.
    • Ron Miller’s invitation to George Lucas and the relationship that brought Star Wars into the parks.
    • The unbuilt Star Wars coaster and the move toward a larger motion-simulator ride.
    • Lucas’s contributions to Star Tours’ robot pilot and opening sequence, plus the hosts’ anticipation of The Force Awakens.

    For this episode’s full show notes, click here.
    View transcript here.

    HOSTS

    • Jim Hill: X and Instagram @JimHillMedia | jimhillmedia.com
    • Len Testa: Bluesky @lentesta.bsky.social | Instagram @len.testa | touringplans.com

    FOLLOW

    • Facebook: @JimHillMediaNews
    • X and Instagram: @JimHillMedia
    • YouTube and TikTok: @jimhillmedia

    SUPPORT

    Support the show and access bonus episodes and additional content at https://www.patreon.com/jimhillmedia.

    PRODUCTION CREDITS

    Produced by Aaron Adams

    If you would like to sponsor a show on the Jim Hill Media Podcast Network, reach out today. https://www.jimhillmedia.com/sponsor/

    Jim and Len trace Disneyland’s 1985 anniversary promotions and the early collaboration with George Lucas that led to Star Tours.

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    Save Mr. Toad: The Fan Campaign That Challenged Disney (Ep. 92) Dec 01, 2015
    Show notes

    Jim Hill and Len Testa revisit the campaign to save Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride at Walt Disney World and what it revealed about Disney’s growing online fan community. Jim first traces the confusing closure of 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, then explains how Winnie the Pooh’s arrival sparked protests, publicity, and lasting tributes to Toad. This December 2015 conversation also opens with Thanksgiving in New York and a look at the I-4 construction then affecting Orlando travelers.

    Original Air Date: December 1, 2015 (estimated)
    Original Title: Save Mr. Toad

    HIGHLIGHTS

    • Jim’s Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade visit, holiday windows, and the store’s wooden escalators.
    • I-4’s role in Walt Disney World’s location and the I-4 Ultimate construction project.
    • Why Magic Kingdom considered replacing its submarine ride with a Nautilus walkthrough.
    • Conflicting messages about the closure of 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.
    • The 1997 attraction changes bringing Winnie the Pooh, Buzz Lightyear, and a revised Tiki Room to Magic Kingdom.
    • The Save Mr. Toad campaign, in-park gatherings, and the emerging influence of online Disney fans.
    • Mr. Toad’s final day and the tributes preserved in the Pooh attraction and Haunted Mansion’s pet cemetery.
    • The tension between adding new attractions and honoring guests’ attachments to old favorites.

    For this episode’s full show notes, click here.
    View transcript here.

    HOSTS

    • Jim Hill: X and Instagram @JimHillMedia | jimhillmedia.com
    • Len Testa: Bluesky @lentesta.bsky.social | Instagram @len.testa | touringplans.com

    FOLLOW

    • Facebook: @JimHillMediaNews
    • X and Instagram: @JimHillMedia
    • YouTube and TikTok: @jimhillmedia

    SUPPORT

    Support the show and access bonus episodes and additional content at https://www.patreon.com/jimhillmedia.

    PRODUCTION CREDITS

    Produced by Aaron Adams

    If you would like to sponsor a show on the Jim Hill Media Podcast Network, reach out today. https://www.jimhillmedia.com/sponsor/

    Jim and Len revisit the Save Mr. Toad campaign, the closure of 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, and Disney’s relationship with devoted attraction fans.

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