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    The CX Tipping Point®

    The CX Tipping Point® Podcast was launched to increase the awareness of how the business discipline of customer experience can improve the delivery of government services. How can we leverage the best practices in the commercial industry within the constraints of government. We are bringing you the only podcast focused on improving the experience that citizens, businesses and governments have when interacting, engaging and transacting with the government. 

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    EP 15 - Ken Corbin: Transforming the Taxpayer Experience Feb 07, 2022
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    In this episode of The CX Tipping Point Podcast, Martha Dorris talks with Ken Corbin, the Commissioner of the Wage and Investment Division at the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and the first Chief Taxpayer Experience Officer. Ken’s long history at the IRS gave him a unique perspective on the customers of the IRS and how to improve the experience they have.

    Over the past two years, the IRS has been instrumental in stabilizing the economy. The pandemic brought a halt to the IRS’ operations when they had to close processing centers in the middle of filing season. They migrated the customer service reps to working remotely. They issued three rounds of economic impact payments of over $800 billion, which converted their tax system to a benefit system. Ken discussed the process for modernizing the mailroom, getting returns processed, getting the backlog of returns that we're under review cleared out and then clearing up the amended returns.

    Ken Corbin was asked by the Commissioner in January 2021, to take on the role as the Chief Taxpayer Experience Officer which he was proud to take. This position resulted from the Taxpayer Experience Act (TFA), which was enacted on July 1st, 2019 to reimagine and enhance the way the IRS serves taxpayers, continues to enforce the tax laws in a fair and impartial manner, and trains IRS employees to deliver a world-class customer experience. The IRS’ Taxpayer First Act Report to Congress includes 100 capabilities to be delivered over 10 years.

    As the Chief Taxpayer Experience Officer, Ken understands the need to create a good experience for everyone. The IRS has a diverse group of customers, ranging from individuals to small, mid and large businesses, to Congress, to tax preparers and more. He believes it’s about choice and access. In this episode you will hear how the IRS is implementing “choice” and “access” in delivering services as well as their 2022 which include expanding digital services; creating a seamless taxpayer experience; and increasing proactive outreach and education to underserved communities to increase their experience regardless of the channel they come to the IRS. With data as the IRS’ biggest asset, leveraging that data and collaborating with other agencies on services that cross multiple agencies will be important. Ken Corbin was recognized for these efforts as a 2021 Service to the Citizen Award winner.

    Thank you for listening to this episode of The CX Tipping Point Podcast! If you enjoyed it, please consider subscribing, rating, and leaving a review on your favorite podcast platform. Your support helps us reach more listeners!

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    EP 14 - Simchah Suveyke-Bogin: Implementing Customer Experience at the Department of Agriculture Jan 10, 2022
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    In this episode of The CX Tipping Point Podcast, Martha Dorris talked with Simchah Suveyke-Bogin, the Chief Customer Experience Officer at the US Department of Agriculture. Simchah describes how leveraging the principles of CX increases trust in USDA’s products and services and in the government. While Section 280 of OMB Circular A-11 provides a methodology for measuring trust, she will be thinking about how to baseline trust in the most used USDA’s services and working to move the needle on trust. One approach is by better understanding your users through human centered design (HCD). HCD improves the success in creating trusted, seamless and efficient services. Customer experience encourages you to bring together people from all disciplines, from user experience to product designers to information technologist while focusing on the customer.

    As a Chief Customer Experience Officer, Simchah’s role is to ignite change in service delivery across the agency. USDA has more high impact services than any other department with over 100k employees and offices across the country and around the world. This is not a small job. They continuously listen to their customers, measure improvements in service delivery, leverage data and engage with the public in smart ways. In addition, identifying priority life experiences where the public may need services from multiple agencies or across the agency will improve the public’s overall experience with government.

    Learn about these areas and more in this podcast with Simchah Suveyke-Bogin, the USDA Chief Customer Experience Officer.
    Office of Customer Experience Telework Survey Insights Report 2021

    Thank you for listening to this episode of The CX Tipping Point Podcast! If you enjoyed it, please consider subscribing, rating, and leaving a review on your favorite podcast platform. Your support helps us reach more listeners!

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    EP 13 - Reflections on GovCX in 2021 Dec 13, 2021
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    Welcome to the 13th episode of The CX Tipping Point Podcast!

    In this episode, Martha Dorris and a panel of customer experience (CX) experts consisting of former government and industry officials, discussed the progress the federal government has made over the past year and a half in delivering services to the public and their employees. We are at a perfect storm for transforming government services - the drive for digital services to meet the expectations of the public, resources provided through The American Recovery Act to the Technology Modernization Fund (TMF), and the Presidential priorities, specifically COVID-19 and Advancing Diversity, Equity, Inclusion and Accessibility (DEIA).

    With the Federal CIOs priorities including cybersecurity, modernizing information technology and delivering a good customer experience, there is also support from the Office of Management and Budget and the CIO community. The panel of CX experts discussed the importance of Section 280, of OMB Circular A-11, Managing Customer Experience and Improving Service Delivery, and how the nuances and relevance of recent updates have impacted CX across the federal government and the high impact service providers (HISPs).

    Customers of government services include individuals, businesses, the public, other government agencies, employees or public servants, and citizens. The CX panel highlighted the importance of employee experience and engagement to an agency’s CX strategy. In this conversation, the panel leaned into the discussion about the challenges or barriers to adoption of CX practices and strategies and made recommendations for a path forward.
    The panel includes:

    • Lee Becker, Medallia
    • Amanda Chavez, NuAxis Innovations
    • Heather Decker, ASI Government
    • MaryAnn Monroe, Maximus Federal
    • Mary Schwarz, ICF

    Thank you for listening to this episode of The CX Tipping Point Podcast! If you enjoyed it, please consider subscribing, rating, and leaving a review on your favorite podcast platform. Your support helps us reach more listeners!

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    EP 12 - Scott Weiss: Perspectives of GovCX & Innovation from a Former White House Presidential Innovation Fellow Nov 08, 2021
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    In this episode of “The CX Tipping Point Podcast,” Martha Dorris speaks with Scott Weiss, formerly a White House Presidential Innovation Fellow and IDEO alum with an expertise in human centered design and organizational strategy. As a PIF, Scott worked with federal agencies to strengthen their human centered design, customer experience and innovation capacity and capabilities. Scott begins by describing the purpose of the PIF program and its codification in law to create a more modern and innovative government. Scott leveraged his passion for design and the intersection of social impact to work with many federal agencies and efforts to create measurable outcomes to underserved communities. Learn about how the PIF program supports the improvement of government services.

    Scott was able to use his expertise with the Department of Veterans Affairs, support the development of a framework to mature the CX capabilities of the High Impact Service Providers (HISPs), to work with the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and the Domestic Policy Council to help operationalize the Executive Order on “Advancing Racial Equity and Supporting Underserved Communities,” helping to mature the service capabilities within GSA’s Technology Transformation Services, and with the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity Infrastructure and Security Agency (CISA).

    Learn from Scott’s experience in government implementing innovation and improving trust in government. As well as his insights based on his expertise, experience in the private sector and ability to influence government at the highest levels.

    Thank you for listening to this episode of The CX Tipping Point Podcast! If you enjoyed it, please consider subscribing, rating, and leaving a review on your favorite podcast platform. Your support helps us reach more listeners!

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    • Citizen Services Newsletter
    • 2024 Service to the Citizen Awards Nomination Form

    EP 11 - Barbara Morton: CX Lessons Learned from the VA’s Veterans Experience Office Oct 11, 2021
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    In this episode of The CX Tipping Point™ Podcast, Martha Dorris spoke with Barbara Morton, the Deputy Chief Veteran Experience Officer at the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA). Barbara C. Morton has served as the Deputy Chief Veteran Experience Officer at the VA since July 2016 after serving in the VA Board of Veterans’ Appeals. Learn how she is building a lasting customer experience capability at the VA and sharing best practices across other federal agencies.

    Barbara’s passion and persistence for driving customer experience as a core business discipline at VA began earlier in her career at VA while serving Veterans, their families, care givers and survivors at the Board of Veterans’ Appeals. She experienced first-hand the opportunity VA public servants have to make the often-times difficult or confusing interactions with VA more positive for Veterans and their supporters. Years later, when the opportunity arose to serve the cause of improving the experience for Veterans and their supporters in the newly created VEO, she took it.
    The VA has become a leader in implementing customer experience (CX) in the federal government, to include focusing on both the veterans, care givers, families and survivors but also employees as well. Barbara was the Government Executive of the Year for the 2021 Service to the Citizen Awards to recognize her accomplishments in building the capacity at the VA and her support for other customer-focused efforts across the government.



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    EP 10 - Robert Shea: Insights on the Importance of Customer Experience from a Senior Executive Sep 13, 2021
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    In this episode of The CX Tipping Point Podcast, Martha Dorris chats with Robert Shea, National Managing Principal at Grant Thornton, formerly at the Office of Management and Budget. Robert provides his advice and recommendations from his many years as an executive in both government and industry. He provides insights to both political appointees and career public servants on how to effectively work together to achieve a common mission. Robert talks about how as much has changed, much has stayed the same in terms of assessing progress and improvements to major programs. His insights are important to understand how executives perceive and understand customer experience and the importance of customer experience to improving employee engagement and improving trust in government. Robert’s expertise in oversight of major government programs and using data to understand and improve programs makes his insights particularly valuable.

    Thank you for listening to this episode of The CX Tipping Point Podcast! If you enjoyed it, please consider subscribing, rating, and leaving a review on your favorite podcast platform. Your support helps us reach more listeners!

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    EP 9 - Jon Kraden: Do Customer Experience and Cybersecurity Go Together? Aug 09, 2021
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    In this episode of The CX Tipping Point™ Podcast, Martha Dorris talked to the Customer Experience Branch Chief at the Cybersecurity Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), Jon Kraden. Jon shared his personal journey to understanding the importance of customer experience. After working on the Hill and at the US General Services Administration and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)/CISA, he believes that customer experience (CX) is about "how to make the government work better" for the American people, other agencies, employees and more. Learn from Jon the importance of CX to national security.

    Thank you for listening to this episode of The CX Tipping Point Podcast! If you enjoyed it, please consider subscribing, rating, and leaving a review on your favorite podcast platform. Your support helps us reach more listeners!

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    EP 8 - Brenda Wensil: How Customer Experience Strategies and Methodologies Improved the Experience of Borrowers in the Federal Student Aid Program Jul 19, 2021
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    In this episode of The CX Tipping Point Podcast, Brenda Wensil shares her experience coming into the government as the first Chief Customer Officer at the Department of Education’s Federal Student Aid during the banking crisis in the US. Brenda came into the government from the financial services industry to put a focus on borrowers as customers by making the process simpler throughout the journey - from beginning to end at a time when student loans were

    Brenda shares the importance of a Chief Customer Officer having a seat at the table with the budget and finance people, with the information technology people and the risk officers to have everyone in one place solving customer issues. She shares the importance of knowing when to fund something separately versus integrating your efforts into existing funded initiatives. Due to the lack of credible data in one place to make decisions, her first hire was for a customer data analytics expert. The role of data became really important and drove many important decisions to be made that would have been impossible without it.

    Other topics included the creation of a social media platform, the role of communications to the borrowers throughout their journey, how qualitative and quantitative data were used to make decisions and understand the borrowers, and how communications and marketing can improve the adoption of government programs. Learn her final recommendation for what makes a difference when problems arise that need to be escalated.


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    EP 7 - Dan Barrett: Learn from a CX Early Adopter at the US Postal Service Jun 14, 2021
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    In this episode, Martha Dorris interviewed Dan Barrett, a CX Evangelist at Grant Thornton, who began his customer experience journey at the US Postal Service by focusing on customer insights. Learn about the importance of customer insights; quality, reliable data; balancing the interests of different customer groups; how to create a voice of the customer program; and workshops to determine the path forward. What was the USPS’ burning platform? How do you align the leadership on customer values? How do you bring transparency to customer issues? How does customer experience play into building trust? If you’re in CX, learn from Dan’s recommendations on what it takes to succeed.


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    EP 6 - Joseph Michelli, Ph.D.: Insights and Advice from a Leading Business and Customer Experience Expert May 10, 2021
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    Joseph Michelli is a world-renowned business expert, specializing in leadership and customer experience, business consultant, speaker and New York Times Best Selling author. During the conversation with Joseph, he shares his experience and expertise in working with leading companies on customer experience and customer service issues. He has published books highlighting well known CX examples including Starbucks, Zappos, and Mercedes Benz. He provided his advice to the Federal government in being able to make the lives of the public better through services that are comparable to the private sector. He shared advice on gaining leadership buy-in, connecting CX and employee experience (EX) and leadership.

    We also chatted about his latest book, Stronger Through Adversity: World Class Leaders Share Pandemic-Tested Lessons Learned on Thriving during the Toughest Challenges. As he was consulting during the pandemic on how to meet the customers’ needs during these unprecedented times, he discovered the importance of authenticity in leading connected teams. He shares his recommendations for leading organizations during these times.

    Thank you for listening to this episode of The CX Tipping Point Podcast! If you enjoyed it, please consider subscribing, rating, and leaving a review on your favorite podcast platform. Your support helps us reach more listeners!

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