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Hour 2 - Is Kamala Running Again? Sep 23, 2026

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Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show begins with a wave of listener reaction to the Lindsay Clancy case, as Clay and Buck continue their debate over the insanity defense, postpartum depression, postpartum psychosis, criminal responsibility, mental health, gender double standards, and accountability for violent crime. Callers who say they personally experienced postpartum depression argue that experiencing disturbing thoughts is fundamentally different from acting on them, while Clay and Buck contend that mental illness or hormonal changes should not automatically eliminate responsibility for criminal conduct. They explore a series of gender-reversal hypotheticals, asking how the legal system, media, and public would react if a man blamed hormones, psychiatric medication, or a temporary psychological break for committing a serious violent crime.

The hosts argue that the public response would be dramatically different and question what they see as a gender-based double standard surrounding the Clancy case. The conversation also touches on vigilantism, jury nullification, parental reactions to crimes against children, regional differences in jury attitudes, and what could happen to Clancy if prosecutors do not obtain a conviction. A caller challenges the premise that Clancy killed her children, leading Clay, drawing on his experience as an attorney, to reject online theories suggesting somebody else was responsible and to warn about misinformation spreading through social media surrounding high-profile criminal cases.

The second half of Hour 2 shifts sharply into Kamala Harris and the 2028 presidential election, after Harris makes a political appearance in Detroit and says she has not decided whether she will run for president again. Clay and Buck analyze Harris's defense of diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) in the context of Black maternal health and discuss how identity politics, Black women voters, transgender politics, and progressive terminology could shape a potential Kamala Harris 2028 campaign. They revisit controversies from Harris's previous campaigns, including her past position involving taxpayer-funded gender-transition procedures for incarcerated undocumented immigrants, and debate whether her political messaging could succeed in a Democratic presidential primary while creating serious problems with white working-class voters, Rust Belt voters, swing-state voters, and the national electorate. They also react to Harris's argument that the 2026 midterm elections must come first before 2028 becomes relevant.

Clay and Buck then dig into speculation from former Harris advisers about whether she will actually enter the 2028 Democratic presidential primary. They discuss former senior adviser David Plouffe's assessment that Harris's strongest moment could be the opening day of her campaign, skepticism among major Democratic donors, and reports suggesting people close to Harris do not believe she possesses an overriding need to become president. Buck considers whether Harris could instead embrace life as a wealthy Democratic power broker, fundraiser and political kingmaker, while Clay remains convinced that her political circumstances make another presidential campaign likely. Their strategic analysis examines South Carolina, Virginia, New Hampshire and Nevada, Harris's potential strength with Black Democratic primary voters, campaign fundraising, the influence of major donors, and potential Republican 2028 candidates including Vice President JD Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio. Clay argues that even Democratic donors initially reluctant to support Harris would ultimately rally behind her if she secured the nomination.

The hosts also debate Harris's political personality and public image, including whether she would prefer the post-political celebrity lifestyle associated with Michelle Obama or would continue pursuing the presidency as Joe Biden did. They examine Harris's perceived authenticity problems and argue that intensive political coaching can make candidates appear overly calculated when they focus excessively on gestures, speaking style, tone and reactions to criticism. Hour 2 winds down with additional listener calls returning to the Clancy case, including a hypothetical about whether the legal response would be different if the victims had been someone else's children and another discussion of PTSD versus postpartum mental-health defenses. A caller also revisits the cultural debate surrounding Sydney Sweeney, pointing to her performances as boxer Christy Martin and Reality Winner as examples of roles that contrast with discussion of Sweeney primarily as a sex symbol.

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Hour 3 - A Lesbian Bar Did What? Sep 23, 2026

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Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show opens with breaking news that President Donald Trump plans to attend the highly anticipated Texas Longhorns vs. Tennessee Volunteers college football game in Knoxville, where top-ranked Texas and Arch Manning will face Tennessee in a marquee SEC matchup. Clay, who also plans to attend, predicts a Tennessee upset while Buck backs Texas, setting up some friendly rivalry over which school is the “real UT.” The conversation then shifts to an extensive interview with author and commentator Peachy Keenan, who joins Clay and Buck to discuss the continuing controversy surrounding the Lindsay Clancy case, Patrick Clancy’s divorce, and reaction from The View. Keenan criticizes the feminist arguments surrounding the case and contrasts The View’s questioning of Patrick Clancy’s decision to divorce his wife with what she describes as a broader culture that frequently encourages women to leave unhappy marriages. The discussion expands into marriage, divorce, feminism, gender politics, social media, true crime culture, criminal responsibility, mental illness, and online theories claiming Lindsay Clancy did not kill her children. Clay raises statistics about women initiating a large majority of divorces, prompting a broader debate about whether social and financial incentives surrounding divorce differ for men and women and how modern culture treats divorced women versus divorced men.

Keenan also joins Clay and Buck for a discussion of a bizarre controversy involving a Massachusetts lesbian bar and its N95 mask mandate, after the establishment reportedly faced intense backlash for temporarily relaxing its masking requirements. The hosts and Keenan react to criticism that dropping the mandate discriminated against immunocompromised patrons and to extreme online responses directed at the establishment, using the story as a jumping-off point for a wider conversation about COVID-era masking, progressive politics, identity politics and political polarization. They then revisit the recent Sydney Sweeney cultural controversy, including a viral street-interview clip asking whether Sweeney’s provocative sports-betting advertising or Lindsay Clancy was “worse for women.” Keenan argues that hostility toward Sweeney reflects tensions within contemporary feminism over beauty, sexuality, body image, mental health and traditional standards of attractiveness. The segment ends on a lighter note when Buck’s young son unexpectedly enters the studio and joins him on camera.

Hour 3 then returns to Kamala Harris and the 2028 presidential election, with Clay and Buck replaying Harris’s memorable comments to children about space exploration and seeing the moon’s craters as an example of what they consider her highly scripted public persona. Clay argues that Harris’s political weakness comes from appearing overly concerned with how she is perceived, and he predicts that a prospective Kamala Harris 2028 presidential campaign would lean heavily into DEI, race and gender politics. While Clay continues to view Harris as a likely Democratic nominee, he and Buck question her ability to appeal to blue-collar white voters and Midwestern battleground states, while acknowledging she could potentially perform better in states such as Georgia and North Carolina with larger minority electorates. They also discuss whether Democrats will be hesitant to nominate another woman after the presidential defeats of Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Harris in 2024.

Attorney and political commentator Katie Zacharia joins the program for a wide-ranging discussion of California politics, Gavin Newsom, Kamala Harris and the 2028 Democratic presidential primary. Zacharia reacts to Newsom telling Jake Tapper during a fly-fishing interview that he would not run for president if Harris enters the race, questioning whether Newsom may instead be positioning himself for another role or waiting to see how the Democratic field develops. The conversation examines the political relationship between Newsom and Harris, Newsom’s record as California governor, climate and energy policies, electric-vehicle mandates, electricity costs and the difficulty both California Democrats could face appealing to Middle America and key swing states. Zacharia also discusses Harris’s political activity in Michigan and her support for Abdul El-Sayed, while Clay and Buck examine Democratic fundraising, Harris’s expensive 2024 presidential campaign, potential donor enthusiasm and whether Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez could emerge as another national Democratic contender.

Zacharia then weighs in on the Lindsay Clancy case, rejecting social-media speculation that Clancy did not kill her children and arguing that online true-crime communities can blur the distinction between documented facts and amateur theories. The discussion returns to Patrick Clancy’s divorce and criticism from The View, with Zacharia defending his decision and calling for greater emphasis on the children, accountability and critical thinking. Clay and Buck broaden the subject to the influence of TikTok, Instagram, true-crime content and social-media culture on public understanding of criminal trials and controversial legal cases.

The hour's final major media discussion focuses on the proposed Paramount-Warner Bros. transaction and the future of CNN and CBS News. Clay argues that potential changes in CNN ownership could have significant political consequences if the network shifts toward more straightforward or centrist news coverage, thereby altering the media environment in which Democratic and Republican narratives compete. Zachariah discusses the proposed deal from a California business and political perspective, including antitrust concerns, California Attorney General Rob Bonta, Gavin Newsom, Paramount, Warner Bros., CNN and CBS, and predicts that a reshaped CNN could move closer to the center.

Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show closes on more personal and lighter subjects. Buck explains that he will miss an upcoming show to attend the burial of his wife’s grandfather, Rear Admiral James Flatley, at Arlington National Cemetery, recounting Flatley’s remarkable history as a Navy test pilot who landed a C-130 transport aircraft on an aircraft carrier. Clay reflects on Arlington’s significance and calls it a place every American should visit. The hosts then return to Trump’s appearance at the Texas-Tennessee football game, the Longhorns-Volunteers rivalry, Arch Manning, and Tennessee history involving Davy Crockett and Sam Houston, before wrapping up with listener talkbacks about childhood school paddling and one final round of jokes about Buck’s baby-blue cable-knit sweater

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It's a Numbers Game: The GOP’s Last-Minute Trump Pivot: Will It Work? Sep 23, 2026

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Are Republicans beginning to distance themselves from President Donald Trump as the 2026 midterm elections approach?

On this episode of It’s a Numbers Game with Ryan Girdusky, Ryan examines what he sees as a late Republican pivot away from Trump as GOP candidates confront voter concerns over the Iran war, rising costs, data centers and the president’s political standing. He looks at Republican Senate and House candidates who have broken with Trump on key issues and explains what the polling could mean for competitive races across the country.

Ryan also digs into the enormous amounts of campaign money pouring into Texas and competitive House races, including the Senate contest involving Ken Paxton and James Talarico, and explains why Republicans are spending heavily to defend territory that previously leaned strongly Republican.

Plus, Ryan takes aim at Nikole Hannah-Jones’ reflections on her daughter’s education, examining her decision to enroll her daughter in a struggling New York City public school and what Ryan believes the story reveals about education policy, school performance and parental responsibility.

Finally, Ryan answers listener questions about Tulsi Gabbard and 2028, possible live midterm election-night coverage, the ideal podcast length, and his disagreements with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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David Rutherford Show: WARNING - Hegseth Preps the Pentagon for War Sep 23, 2026

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The people running the West are getting ready for a bigger war. Hegseth just announced a combat test for colonels before they make general. NATO's chiefs of defence met in Copenhagen and told the arms industry to build at scale. And Europe — which can't recruit an army — is suddenly talking about a draft.

What you'll hear:

• David breaks down Hegseth's Joint Warfighter Evaluation, the Stu Scheller connection, and what a wartime leadership filter is really signaling

• Why roughly 850 flag officers today versus about 300 in 1941 tells you 22 years of GWOT produced dead weight

• NATO by the numbers: 3.5 million troops, most of whom have never fought

• Mark Rutte's "NATO 3.0" — an alliance that no longer plans on America

• The recruiting playbook: NATO's new ad, "Send Me" billboards, Isaiah 6:8, and a British politician saying the word conscription out loud

• Why Gen Z won't buy the pitch — and why the White House launching Trump TV is part of the same story David Rutherford is a former Navy SEAL and CIA-trained intelligence officer.

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The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Yasmine Mohammed’s Escape from Radical Islam and Warning to the West Sep 23, 2026

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Tudor Dixon sits down with Yasmine Mohammed, author of Unveiled: How the West Empowers Radical Muslims, for a deeply personal conversation about her upbringing, escape from an abusive forced marriage, and her views on the rise of political Islam in Western countries.

Mohammed recounts growing up in Canada after her family became increasingly fundamentalist, being forced to wear the hijab, experiencing abuse as a child, and eventually being married at 19 to a man she describes as an al-Qaeda operative. She explains how becoming a mother ultimately pushed her to break away and protect her daughter.

Tudor and Yasmine also discuss Islamism, the Muslim Brotherhood, Sharia law, Iran’s Woman, Life, Freedom movement, antisemitism, October 7, and the distinction Mohammed draws between individual Muslims and Islamist political ideology. Mohammed also discusses her work with the Clarity Coalition and why she believes Western societies need to be willing to openly debate religious extremism.

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Nation States: Xi’s Washington Visit and the Test of U.S. Leverage Sep 22, 2026

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As Xi Jinping heads to Washington for another summit with President Trump, the real question is not what gets announced, but what gets delivered. Steve Yates explains why implementation matters more than optics and examines the key tests facing U.S.-China relations, from AI controls and Taiwan to Iran, Ukraine, rare earth supply chains, fentanyl enforcement, and the fate of Jimmy Lai. Listen for a practical framework to separate diplomatic theater from meaningful results and understand what success should actually look like for American interests.

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The Truth with Lisa Boothe: Is School Choice the Answer to America’s Education Crisis? Sep 22, 2026

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Lisa Boothe is joined by Tommy Schultz, CEO of the American Federation for Children, for a wide-ranging conversation about school choice, declining academic performance, teachers unions, and the future of K-12 education in America.

They begin with the debate surrounding Nikole Hannah-Jones and her daughter's public-school experience, examining what Schultz argues it reveals about school choice, academic standards, classroom discipline, testing, and the consequences of putting educational philosophy ahead of an individual child's needs.

Lisa and Tommy also discuss the relationship between politically powerful teachers unions and literacy reform, declining test scores, the lingering effects of COVID-era learning loss, and the amount of money being spent on America's K-12 education system. Schultz offers his perspective on why additional funding has not necessarily translated into stronger academic outcomes.

Plus, Tommy breaks down the new Federal Scholarship Tax Credit, which begins in 2027 and allows eligible taxpayers to claim a nonrefundable federal tax credit of up to $1,700 for qualifying contributions to Scholarship Granting Organizations in participating states. Lisa and Tommy discuss how the program could expand educational options for families and why school choice is becoming an increasingly significant issue nationwid

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Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Sep 22 2026 Sep 22, 2026

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Clay Travis & Buck Sexton break down President Donald Trump’s major United Nations speech in New York City, focusing on American strength, national pride, foreign policy, military power, energy, technology and Trump’s argument that the United States is stronger and better positioned on the world stage. The hosts contrast Trump’s unapologetically pro-American message with previous administrations and discuss why they believe his willingness to impose consequences gives him leverage with foreign adversaries. That leads into the Russia-Ukraine war, Vladimir Putin, the Biden administration’s Afghanistan withdrawal and the enormous human and economic costs of the war in Ukraine, which Buck characterizes as a technologically advanced form of trench warfare combining drones, satellite communications and night vision with largely static front lines.

An in-depth conversation about DOGE, Elon Musk, federal government spending, waste, fraud, the national debt and government efficiency. Clay and Buck welcome Tyler Hassen, former acting assistant secretary at the U.S. Department of the Interior, former senior DOGE official and author of Inside DOGE: The Real Story from a Senior Insider. Hassen offers his firsthand account of working with Musk’s DOGE team and argues that waste inside the federal government is substantially worse than most Americans realize. He discusses DOGE’s reported savings, efforts to increase accountability for federal contracts and grants, and an initiative designed to improve information attached to trillions of dollars in Treasury payments. Drawing on his experience at the Interior Department, Hassen describes finding federal contracts for projects such as groundwater assessments in Mauritania that officials struggled to justify, while explaining the DOGE philosophy of forcing agencies to “defend the spend.”

Clay and Buck discuss public education, parental involvement, classroom discipline and school culture. Buck argues that successful schools depend heavily on parents who reinforce respect for teachers, rules, order and education at home. The hosts discuss the difficulties public-school teachers face when dealing with disruptive students and school fights, including concerns that educators may hesitate to physically separate fighting students because of liability and disciplinary policies. They also discuss federal education policy and disagreements over whether racial disparities in school discipline should be treated as evidence of discriminatory disciplinary practices. Their broader argument is that school discipline, parental expectations and peer culture can matter as much as, or more than, additional education spending.

That discussion leads to one of the hour’s most extended and humorous exchanges: corporal punishment and paddling in American public schools. Clay recounts growing up around Nashville public schools where students could be paddled for serious misbehavior, stunning Buck, who says such practices were completely foreign to his New York City upbringing. The hosts discuss the differences between Southern and Northeastern school culture, the historical use of paddles and “switches,” visits to the principal’s office and the deterrent effect Clay remembers corporal punishment having on classroom behavior. Their production team reports during the program that public-school corporal punishment remains legally permissible in a number of states, which prompts Buck to express disbelief that the practice can still legally exist in parts of the United States. Listeners subsequently send their own stories about paddling by teachers, principals and Catholic-school nuns, including accounts from Michigan, Ohio and Southern California.

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Hour 1 - Trump Takes Manhattan! Sep 22, 2026

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Hour 1 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show opens with Clay and Buck breaking down President Donald Trump’s major United Nations speech in New York City, focusing on American strength, national pride, foreign policy, military power, energy, technology and Trump’s argument that the United States is stronger and better positioned on the world stage. The hosts contrast Trump’s unapologetically pro-American message with previous administrations and discuss why they believe his willingness to impose consequences gives him leverage with foreign adversaries. That leads into the Russia-Ukraine war, Vladimir Putin, the Biden administration’s Afghanistan withdrawal and the enormous human and economic costs of the war in Ukraine, which Buck characterizes as a technologically advanced form of trench warfare combining drones, satellite communications and night vision with largely static front lines.

The centerpiece of Hour 1 is Trump’s message on Iran and its nuclear ambitions. Clay and Buck examine his declaration that Iran cannot be allowed to obtain a nuclear weapon, his suggestion that Tehran faces a choice between reaching an agreement with the United States and continuing its confrontation with Washington, and his assertion that American munitions stockpiles are being rapidly replenished. The hosts debate what Trump’s possible “endgame” with Iran could look like, whether he is seeking a dramatic final achievement that would allow him to declare the Iranian nuclear threat resolved, and whether a diplomatic agreement is still possible. They also discuss the practical obstacles and risks surrounding any potential effort to secure Iranian nuclear material, while speculating that Trump may increase pressure on Tehran before the 2026 midterm elections. The conversation expands to Iran’s internal divisions, its weakened economy, shipping through the Strait of Hormuz, Saudi oil movements and the relationship between instability in the Persian Gulf and global oil and gasoline prices.

Clay and Buck then turn to the 2026 midterm elections, polling and prediction markets, particularly the battle for control of the U.S. Senate. Clay points to conflicting political signals, including Republican spending in Kansas alongside potentially competitive Senate contests involving Michelle Tafoya in Minnesota, Mike Rogers in Michigan and the New Hampshire Senate race. The hosts discuss how candidate quality and state-specific political dynamics could override a broader national trend, comparing the current environment with Republican candidate problems in the 2022 midterms. Buck argues that Republican candidates may benefit by localizing their campaigns around their states and congressional districts rather than turning every contest into a referendum on national politics.

Returning to the Trump UN address, Hour 1 examines the president’s broader Western Hemisphere agenda, including Venezuela, oil, drug cartels and Cuba. The hosts highlight Trump’s comments about the strategic significance of American and Venezuelan energy resources and his depiction of cartels as a major security threat in the Western Hemisphere. Buck predicts that a future Democratic administration could seek legal scrutiny of Trump-era Caribbean military actions, while Clay and Buck assess the potential economic and geopolitical consequences of political transformation in Venezuela. They devote significant attention to Cuba, including Trump’s prediction that its current system will fall, the Cuban delegation’s reaction to his remarks, reported discussions among Cuban expatriates about a potential post-communist future and the possibility that Cuba could eventually develop a more capitalist, tourism-oriented economy. Their Caribbean discussion also touches on Haiti and the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands, regional investment and tax incentives, Clay’s past legal work in the Caribbean and Buck’s friendship with a veteran of the Bay of Pigs invasion.

Artificial intelligence becomes another major theme as the hosts discuss Trump’s push to refer to artificial intelligence as “super intelligence.” Clay and Buck praise the phrase as an example of Trump’s skill at political and commercial branding, arguing that “artificial” can carry negative connotations while “super intelligence” sounds more optimistic. They discuss the origins of the term artificial intelligence with computer scientist John McCarthy and the 1955 Dartmouth research proposal, before widening the conversation to the strategic U.S.-China AI competition, data centers, technological leadership and concerns that public anxiety over AI infrastructure could benefit China. The hosts connect the AI race to their broader argument about American exceptionalism, capitalism and decades of U.S. economic engagement with China, questioning the longstanding expectation that greater trade and integration would lead Beijing toward greater political liberalization.

The hour also includes a discussion of conspiracy theories and public skepticism, with Clay and Buck referencing disagreements over the origins of COVID-19 and Ann Coulter’s view of the wet-market theory, while arguing that skepticism should be directed toward situations in which governments or competitors have discernible strategic incentives. They briefly discuss viral social-media content involving Lindsay Clancy and Sydney Sweeney as part of a broader conversation about public reasoning, misinformation and the tendency to search for conspiracies. Buck uses China and AI as an example of an area where he believes Americans should think seriously about geopolitical incentives rather than dismissing competitive threats.

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Hour 2 - Who is Worse: Sweeney or Clancy? Sep 22, 2026

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Hour 2 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show dives into culture, politics, media, education and the approaching 2026 midterm elections, beginning with a viral man-on-the-street interview comparing public reactions to Sydney Sweeney and Lindsay Clancy. Clay and Buck use the interview to explore what they see as the power of social media algorithms, TikTok, online misinformation and political tribalism to shape opinions among people who may be highly engaged online but poorly informed about the underlying facts. They discuss the contrasting cultural reactions to Sweeney’s sports-betting advertisement and the Clancy case, arguing that online communities can determine who is considered an acceptable target for criticism and who receives sympathetic treatment. A caller joins the conversation about Sweeney, DEI and cultural standards, prompting Clay and Buck to discuss Sweeney’s business ventures, equity ownership and entrepreneurship. Clay argues that her efforts to build and own businesses represent the kind of female entrepreneurship and small-business success that should be encouraged, with the conversation also touching on the Kardashians as an example of celebrities converting fame into business ownership.

Hour 2 then moves into a discussion of political polarization and attitudes toward President Donald Trump, prompted by polling Clay attributes to the Center for Strategic Politics. The hosts review hypothetical scenarios involving Trump leaving office through impeachment, the 25th Amendment, military intervention, natural death or assassination, focusing on what they describe as troubling Democratic responses to the scenarios. Clay and Buck connect the polling to their wider concerns about political violence, misinformation and radicalization in online political communities. They reference the assassination of Charlie Kirk, Tyler Robinson, the Butler, Pennsylvania assassination attempt against Trump and conspiracy theories that developed around political violence, arguing that sensational online narratives can distract from examining ideological radicalization and the role of highly polarized internet communities. Buck specifically rejects theories alleging Israeli involvement in Kirk’s assassination, saying such an action would make no strategic sense for Israel and that he sees no evidence supporting the claim.

Later in Hour 2 of Clay and Buck, the focus shifts to Nikole Hannah-Jones, the 1619 Project, New York City public schools, private education and school choice. Clay and Buck discuss reports about Hannah-Jones’s daughter and her educational experience, contrasting Hannah-Jones’s earlier defense of sending her child to a high-poverty public school with the hosts’ description of her daughter’s later concerns about whether that decision left her academically behind. Buck expands the discussion to Stuyvesant High School, specialized and merit-based public education in New York City, racial disparities in admissions and the longstanding political fight over selective schools. Clay compares the system with the magnet-school model and argues that admitting students according to academic performance can produce demographic outcomes that do not necessarily mirror the broader population.

The education debate expands with comments from Sunny Hostin, who describes why she sent her children to private schools and discusses academic resources, race, bullying and differences in public-school funding. Clay and Buck challenge the argument that inadequate funding is the fundamental explanation for failing schools, pointing instead to school culture, parental involvement, classroom discipline, academic expectations and peer environments. Buck discusses New York City education spending, previous attempts to improve struggling schools through additional funding, and contrasting public schools in Brooklyn’s DUMBO neighborhood. The hosts argue that parents across racial and political lines tend to seek the strongest possible educational environment when they have the resources and freedom to choose. They emphasize the importance of active parents, strong PTAs, homework, discipline and a shared expectation that education matters, concluding that money alone cannot compensate for a dysfunctional school culture. Clay adds that the same lesson about culture applies more broadly to families, businesses and institutions.

The hour also briefly touches on New York Giants football, quarterback Jackson Dart and his knee injury following the Giants’ loss to the Rams, before returning to the program’s larger political and cultural themes. At the close of Hour 2, Clay and Buck preview the final hour and announce an upcoming interview with Tyler Hassen, described by Buck as a longtime friend and former senior DOGE official who worked with Elon Musk’s government-efficiency effort. Buck says the conversation will examine the inside story of attempts to reduce federal spending, government bureaucracy and the national debt, along with Hassen’s new book. The hosts also tease additional listener calls for Hour 3.

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